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Molecules Spontaneously Form Honycomb

Science Daily is reporting that University of California Researchers have discovered a new process in which molecules assemble into complex patterns without any outside guidance. From the article: "Spreading anthraquinone, a common and inexpensive chemical, on to a flat copper surface, Greg Pawin, a chemistry graduate student working in the laboratory of Ludwig Bartels, associate professor of chemistry, observed the spontaneous formation of a two-dimensional honeycomb network comprised of anthraquinone molecules."

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  1. Honeycombs Big? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Honeycombs Big?

    1. Re:Honeycombs Big? by nosredna · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah yeah yeah

    2. Re:Honeycombs Big? by aprilsound · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's not small.

    3. Re:Honeycombs Big? by slapyslapslap · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, no, no!

    4. Re:Honeycombs Big? by Ethan+Allison · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seriously, how big are these honeycombs?

  2. Re:crystals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Leave some sodium and chlorine together and let the rest of the solution evaporate and you will spot a cubical arrangement of molecules. This concept is new?

    Yes, it is. The nifty part is the SIZE of the arrangement. If you bothered to read the article, you would notice that the hexagon pattern is in a very unusual size range.

  3. Re:"Honycomb?" by chfriley · · Score: 2, Funny

    Or is it some techincal term?

  4. Really cool, but surprising? by QuantumFTL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is really awesome, however carbon spontaneously forms many different shapes, not the least of which are C60, nanotubes, and graphite (which has a honeycomb shape). As cool as this is, what part of this is "news?"

    1. Re:Really cool, but surprising? by NoseBag · · Score: 2, Funny

      carbon spontaneously forms many different shapes, not the least of which are C60, nanotubes, and graphite

      There's also that obscure form called diamond.

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    2. Re:Really cool, but surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      As cool as this is, what part of this is "news?"

      You must have missed this part:

      Anthraquinone molecules, however, form chains that weave themselves into a sheet of hexagons on the copper surface, forming a network similar to chicken wire.

      Obviously this is big news to farmers who raise little tiny chickens.

    3. Re:Really cool, but surprising? by damian+cosmas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it's kind of silly, but getting something to self-assemble cooled in liquid nitrogen is a little different than the "spontaneous" formation of fullerenes and whatnot in an electric arc furnace, since lots of things happen spontaneously at 1800 K and the yields are piss-poor. Still, this is nothing new. Zeolites have been self-assembling with large pore sizes for a while now.

    4. Re:Really cool, but surprising? by dwhitman · · Score: 4, Insightful
      carbon spontaneously forms many different shapes, not the least of which are C60, nanotubes, and graphite (which has a honeycomb shape). As cool as this is, what part of this is "news?"
      All the examples you give are covalently bonded molecular structures, where the observed regularity is derived from the symmetry of the orbitals forming the bonds.

      What's cool about this (as near as I can tell from the junior high-school level article) is that the structures are supramolecular, many orders of magnitude larger than the anthraquinone molecules they are made of. The structures seems to be held together only by (weak) van der Waals interactions between the molecules, influenced by the copper substrate. This is interesting and unusual, if you know enough chemistry to appreciate it.

      I'd love to see x-ray diffraction of these layers, to see how the anthraquinones are packing, and how the symmetry of the molecules is reflected in the much larger honeycomb.

  5. Re:"Honycomb?" by Linker3000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Almost good enough spelling for Digg.

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  6. Re:crystals by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This doesn't seem any more unusual than a crystal lattice.
    Its just doing it in another molecule.

    I'm with the GP, its not earth shattering.

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  7. importance? by mapkinase · · Score: 3, Informative

    I am failing to grasp the importance of this. Molecules form regular structures? This have been observed for many types of molecules starting from atoms (metals), small molecules (have you heard of ice) and things as huge as ribosomes (itself 100nm).
    How's this thing is unqiue? In what aspect?

    The answer to this question is probably, huge pores compared to the size of the monomer, but I am still not impressed.

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    1. Re:importance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This issue seems to be the scale of the self-assembled structure, and its simple origin. The comparison with a ribosome is not to the point. Ribosomes have evolved over about a billion years. In this case, the metal substrate and organic molecule are off-the-shelf, not proprietary. Also, the symmetry group is different from that of nanotubes or buckyballs. Third, the size of the channels makes them suitable for applications such a 3-D nanoelectronic circuitry.

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  8. Re:crystals by cmeans · · Score: 2, Funny

    We keep telling ourselves, that SIZE isn't important....

  9. Soon to be patented... by FusionDragon2099 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...by Post Cereal.

  10. Re:crystals by Gospodin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is pretty cool stuff. Makes me wonder how exactly it works (IANAC). Suppose you set up the lattice and then dropped a new molecule right in the middle of an existing pore. Presumably it would be attracted to one of the edges, but what then? Does the whole lattice get rearranged as the new molecule is shuffled into place? Where does the energy come from for all of that?

    Way more interesting than a salt crystal, btw.

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  11. Re:Honycomb? by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

    They left the experiment a little to close to a potatoe. (All members of the nightshade family have a missing vowel in their outer shell.)

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  12. Wow by Dan+East · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Spreading water, an inexpensive and common chemical, on to a flat surface, Dan East, a Slashdot reader with Excellent Karma, observed the spontaneous creation of individual droplets as the molecules self-organized themselves to form larger complex structures."

    Dan East

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    1. Re:Wow by frickendevil · · Score: 4, Funny

      Please tell us the chemical composition of this "water" and what type of "flat surface", and I'm sure we can arrange you with your PhD. Today our PhD's come with some hony. Please enjoy.

    2. Re:Wow by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      2 heydrogn atoms and one oxgen

      Send without hony, allergic to pees

  13. Crappy article by littleghoti · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article is overly simplified, and reads like the researchers are blowing their own trumpet. If you have a clean metal surface, pretty much anything will stick to it. This will form a stable layer with a regular structure. Whilst it may be the first time anyone has seen anything that big, I would doubt that it is an entirely new mechanism as they claim.

  14. Re:Not New by jibster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Your right and I agree completely. If you look at the shape this is only this is not complex in the least. Many materials do this. Is so common I wondered at first why it was news. Then I saw the scale.

    There are a lot more degrees of freedom in this system than in a hexagon with only 1 molecul per side. What would happen if we added 1% of another molecule? Could you engeneer it to only fit in certain locations and modify say, ever third? The starting of a gate-drain-source arranegment?

    OK there's a lot of what ifs there but the potentional pay off is huge. These structres are built at the same time all over the surface. If it could be manufactored it would scale amazingly.

    I researched in this field and now I work in it. This stuff is 20+ years out but its a simple modifable molecule like anthraquinone that's going to kick start true nanotech.

  15. Re:crystals by scotch · · Score: 2, Funny

    Stop the presses, armchair chemist poo-poos academic research. Slashdotter to be consulted before all new federal grants.

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  16. Re:Honycomb? by pembo13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am pretty sure that I wasn't the only one who knew the correct spelling, but didn't notice the mistake.

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  17. Saturday morning cartoons by Nick+Driver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the moderation of the above four comments is any indication, Slashdot is populated by the same demographic which watches Saturday morning cartoons.

    Nope. Rather, Slashdot is populated mostly by the same demographic who grew up watching Saturday morning cartoons many, many years ago before they all turned into lame crap.

    1. Re:Saturday morning cartoons by dfenstrate · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ever catch one of your old favorites replaying on TV?

      They're crap. What we watched was crap then, and what kids watch nowadays is crap as well.

      It's just that we were kids and couldn't tell it was crap, so we developed fond memories of it.

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