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Firefox 2.0 Beta 2 Arrives

An anonymous reader writes "Mozilla has released Beta 2 of its upcoming Firefox 2 browser for developer review. It is being made available for testing purposes only. The release contains a number of new features, as well as some enhancements to look and feel. DesktopLinux.com has posted a list of the changes along with a few quick screen grabs. Apparently, the download can be found on Mozilla's ftp site."

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  1. One question before I try this out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can this version happily co-exist with my existing Firefox 1.5 installation without screwing everything up? I'm eager to try out FF 2.0, but not if it causes problems with the version I have installed already.

    1. Re:One question before I try this out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes. I downloaded 2.0b2 and installed it alongside 1.5.0.6 and played with it for about 10 minutes. I like that you can reopen a recently closed tab. I don't like how Adblock and Flashblock are no longer compatible with it. I uninstalled it and am back to 1.5.0.6 without any problems.

    2. Re:One question before I try this out... by _xeno_ · · Score: 5, Informative

      Short answer: no.

      Long answer: Sure, if you make sure you use a new profile and never run Firefox 2.0 beta2 using your old profile.

      If you don't understand what I just said, then stick with "no." Portable versions of Firefox 2.0beta2 may coexist as long as they don't use the standard profile directory. Unless you're absolutely sure that your existing profile won't be touched, it's best to assume not to.

      In any case, if you're going to try out Firefox 2.0beta2, you should definitely make a backup of your profile.

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    3. Re:One question before I try this out... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Informative

      When it installs, does it create its own beta profile without personal configurations, or does it attempt to migrate your existing profile, or even more disturbingly, does it use your live 1.5 profile?
      I realise the app exists in its own place, but the profile is more important.

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    4. Re:One question before I try this out... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Informative

      Shit, its shared - backup before installing people.

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    5. Re:One question before I try this out... by fireman+sam · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do I have to back up my people v1.5 profile and what type of people are you installing?

      *sorry*

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    6. Re:One question before I try this out... by ThatDamnMurphyGuy · · Score: 3, Informative

      The -profile profiledir argument is your friend. Create a shortcut and stuff it in there.

  2. Firefox 2? by KSobby · · Score: 5, Funny

    Isn't Clint Eastwood a bit old to be doing this stuff?

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    1. Re:Firefox 2? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Be honest: How long have you been saving that one up?

  3. Portable version by xorowo · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those of you that want to test this out without installing it, consider a portable version of Firefox 2 Beta 2.

  4. Firefox Shakespear by Aqws · · Score: 4, Funny

    FireFox, 2B or not 2B.

  5. This alone makes it worth it by eyeye · · Score: 5, Funny

    "toolbar buttons now glow when you hover over them."

    FINALLY!

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  6. Tabs will be broken by anagama · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looks like Firefox drank the coolaid and opted for the tab closing button on each tab, thus presenting a moving target for closing tabs. I hope they make single button an option a least.

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    1. Re:Tabs will be broken by .killedkenny · · Score: 5, Informative

      -Red X (Close Button)-
      Some people were frustrated that Mozilla added a close button to every tab which resulted in an extension that removed those close buttons. Well, you no longer need to get an extension to remove those pesky X's, in fact there are multiple options that you can do now: display a close button on the active tab only, display close buttons on all tabs, don't display any close buttons, and display a single close button at the end of the tab strip (Firefox 1.x behavior). Here is how you can customize the placement:

            1. Start Firefox.
            2. In the Address Bar type "about:config" and press Enter.
            3. Right-Click and select New->Integer.
            4. A box requesting the Preference Name will popup and you should enter "browser.tabs.closeButtons" (without the quotes). Press OK to continue.
            5. Now you need to select the type of close button you want: 0 - display a close button on the active tab only, 1 - display close buttons on all tabs, 2 - don't display any close buttons, and 3 - display a single close button at the end of the tab strip (Firefox 1.x behavior). After entering the value corresponding to your preference press OK again.

    2. Re:Tabs will be broken by Blaskowicz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      why not close tabs with the middle button (the same one that opens them) ? I never use that cross on the right, will disable the cross on each tab..
      And now that I think of it I'll try to find a way to disable that red cross on the right you like so much ;). how can I do that with FF 1.x ?

    3. Re:Tabs will be broken by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 5, Informative

      What about the middle button-click on the tab? (mostly using the clickable scrollbutton on your mouse)

      It took a bit of adjustment, but middleclicking a link to open it in a new tab is really easy; in the case of slashdot I just load the comments I want to read, or the article while I browse on until I decide to go more in depth or reply without losing where you were.

      When finished, I just middle-click the tab. It dramatically speeds up the browsing experience if you're used to using your mouse alot. (once I'm actually with both hands on my keyboard I tend to switch to keyboard shortcuts. But it's tedious to get to the right links using TAB)

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    4. Re:Tabs will be broken by ben+there... · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oh yeah, your question. You can disable the 1.x red close button with Tab Mix Plus.

      (and moreso should be too words)

  7. greetings from the year 3000 by User+956 · · Score: 4, Funny

    New Firefox 2 feature: Inline spell checking -- A new built-in spell checker enables users to quickly check the spelling of text entered into Web forms.

    But will this detect antiquated Elglish, such as when people use "ask" instead of "ax"?

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    1. Re:greetings from the year 3000 by User+956 · · Score: 3, Funny

      jokes on my typo in 3...2...1....

      I guess if I were using Firefox 2 I'd be all set. :)

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  8. Re:I hope they improved the reliability by bigbigbison · · Score: 4, Informative

    A beta was unstable and not ready for daily use? That's umpossible!

    Seriously, beta 1 was unstable for me as well until I realized that it was because of a couple extensions that I had installed with the nightly tester tool that were crashing it. Since I removed those I haven't had any trouble with beta 1.

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  9. NSIS by Trillan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I hadn't heard that Firefox was switching to NSIS.

    Was the old installer Mozilla-specific code?

    Either way, the switch sounds like a good idea. The old installer had its issues, and focusing on the browser and improving an existing (and already quite reasonable) installer is a great idea.

  10. Does it still hog memory? by TheWoozle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyway, Opera has most of these "new" features, and consumes fewer resources. I switched, and haven't looked back.

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    1. Re:Does it still hog memory? by dcam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Opera is rubbish. I loathe Opera.

      I'm a web programmer and we run a site that supports opera 7+, IE5+, anything Gecko, Safari 1.2+. Opera is a bitch when it comes to writing javascript. Let me count the problems (BTW this is for the latest version):

      1. Opera hates innnerHTML. So generating options for a select list and then setting it using innerHTML means opera doesn't work.

      2. Opera doesn't like generated elements and doesn't treat them in the same way as elements that were part of the page. For example if you add a select and some options to a page using javascript, Opera will not let you set any of the options as selected.

      3. Visual consistency. Opera just doesn't have it between versions.

      Opera has cost me I'd guess about 10 hours sleep this week.

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    2. Re:Does it still hog memory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      Opera is a bitch when it comes to writing javascript.
      Most of the time it's people who are bitches when it comes to writing JavaScript. There are now even some websites that take use of Gecko's internal XBL methods that are wrongfully exposed to regular web pages (Gmail's chat comes to mind, with its explicitOriginalTarget property).

      1. Opera hates innnerHTML. So generating options for a select list and then setting it using innerHTML means opera doesn't work.
      Do you know that the innerHTML property is Microsoft's proprietary, non-web-standard invention? How about Gecko's and Presto's embrace & extend when it comes to innerHTML? It's not even supposed to work in XHTML documents, but they both support it. Perhaps you should try writing standards-compliant code.

      2. Opera doesn't like generated elements and doesn't treat them in the same way as elements that were part of the page. For example if you add a select and some options to a page using javascript, Opera will not let you set any of the options as selected.
      Do you have a valid testcase, and have you reported it as a bug -- if it is a bug in the first place? I'll try this later, but so far, I have never witnessed Opera having any problems with generated content, either through DOM, or through CSS.

      3. Visual consistency. Opera just doesn't have it between versions.
      Yes, the application's visual consistency is the primary factor for evaluating its standards-compliance.
    3. Re:Does it still hog memory? by umrain · · Score: 3, Informative

      1. InnerHTML is a proprietary IE-created feature. It is not javascript. Regardless, Opera has in fact supported it for several years now. If you are having a specific problem you might want to report it so it can be fixed: https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/

      2. I just wrote a quick test generating a select with options and selecting an option with javascript and it works fine for me (innerhtml and dom methods both worked). Maybe I am misunderstanding what specifically you are having problems with?

      3. What does this mean? The browser chrome has changed a couple of times since Opera has been out but I don't see how this affects web pages. Or are you talking about CSS? There have been a lot of rendering fixes over time but unless you are doing something fancy you should not notice the majority of these usually. Again, maybe I am misunderstanding.

  11. Re:Testing? by Trillan · · Score: 4, Funny

    You must have incredible lung capacity. If I'd held my breath waiting for Internet Explorer 7 I'd have been dead for just over five years now.

  12. More like opera? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Reading over the new features mentioned and looking over the screenshots, it looks like Firefox is starting to look like Opera. The interesting thing is that Firefox started of with the concept of having a completely minimal browser where the extensions are used to customize it to the user. However, now it just seems like their copying the concepts that a bunch of popular extensions introduced (or copied from other browsers like Opera) and incorporating them into the core because they want to either improve their performance or manage the memory leaks or whatnot that 3rd party extensions cause.

    On some level, it's nice, but the one thing I prefer about extensions is that their feature/fix rate is fairly more frequent than Firefox's. It will be interesting to see where Firefox is 5 years from now.

  13. Re:Solution. by jfengel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not a question of closing multiple tabs. It's the fact that if you want to close the current tab, you have to hunt it down visually, rather than going to the same place in the window no matter what tab you're viewing.

    We're talking about a difference of perhaps a tenth of a second, but of such microscopic units of time are human-factors decisions made. Interfaces are all about developing habits, and things that make it hard to form habits interfere with smooth operation. Maybe the new interface would make different and better habits; maybe not. I didn't think so, but YMMV.

  14. Re:SoaF by mcmonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, but where will they find snakes that think in Russian?

  15. This is INCORRECT by asa · · Score: 5, Informative

    We have not yet released Firefox 2 Beta 2. This story is incorrect.

    - Asa

    1. Re:This is INCORRECT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh what do you know?

  16. Phishing Protection by AeroIllini · · Score: 3, Funny

    Built-Phishing Protection:

    WARNING:

    The man you are about to converse with is not really a high ranking General in the Nigerian army, he does not really have a rich uncle who died tragically in a plane crash in Siberia, and he absolutely DOES NOT have $53.4 million dollars to smuggle out of Nigeria for his uncle's poor orphaned children. You will not get 30%. Trust us.

    ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO CONTINUE?

    +----+ +--------+
    | OK | | CANCEL |
    +----+ +--------+

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  17. Re:Even better... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, you have always been able to close a background tab; just do a middle click with your scroll wheel on the tab.

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  18. Scrolling tabs? by AeroIllini · · Score: 3, Interesting
    FTFA:
    Power users who open more tabs than can fit in a single window will see arrows on the left and right side of the tab strip that let them scroll back and forth between their tabs.


    Am I the only person who thinks this is a stupid and counter-productive idea? When was the last time you (the population of /., the proported "power users") actually clicked on the up and down arrows to scroll, anywhere outside a Flash application that forces you? It takes forever! I usually use the middle mouse button, click in the middle scroll area to jump, or click and drag the scroll handle.

    I like the idea of having more tabs than window space, but fer cryin' out loud, two scroll buttons are not the way to handle it. How about multiple rows of tabs? Or right click + drag to scroll back and forth? Or a drop down menu of tabs?

    I thought we all agreed that Flash applications that break scrolling are a Bad Thing (tm).
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    1. Re:Scrolling tabs? by Kelson · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fortunately, there's also a drop-down menu of all open tabs at the far right of the tab bar, which will probably get a lot more use than those arrows.

  19. Linux builds by Trogre · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Have they done anything to fix performance on linux builds?

    It's sad watching FF on a dual boot system run significantly slower under linux than under window on the same machine. Especially when other linux applications fly.

    And it's not even just DNS lookups. Simply switching tabs can take up to a second (?!) under linux whereas under windows it's 0.2 seconds (the perceived direct interaction threshold for most people).

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  20. Re: Question Answered by thetamind_pyros · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've been using Firefox 2.0 daily builds and Thunderbird 2.0 alpha along side the stable versions for quite some time using PortableApps.com. They are an entirely self-contained directory separate from your regular install.You can even run PortableFirefox from a CD so make sure to turn on the disk cache, otherwise performance is slow.

    Firefox's auto incremental updates work great, plus it remembers your tabs so after the restart I'm right where I left off. I'm enjoying the built-in spell check--right now in fact. Firefox's reopen recently closed tabs feature on the renamed History menu is a life saver. I just accidentally closed this tab after checking that my links worked and Firefox brought it back complete will all form information. Google Suggest in the search box rocks.

    The RSS feed summary page is cool and has support for Simple List Extensions. Check out a sample here: Jeff Bezos's Wish List. The ability to subscribe using your chosen feed reader is nice.

    The tab bar is interesting. It changed to a grey gradient from a lighter, whiter washed out look a few builds ago. The grey doesn't match well with the Windows XP light tan gradient toolbars and the overflow arrow on the side of the tab bar are too faint to be noticeable. The list all tabs drop down on the right side is great though. I guess Mozilla has reached their goal of making the active tab better distinguished.

    Generally, it seems to me that memory usage is lower than 1.5, even with 4 windows with 10+ tabs each. :-)

    I'm lovin' it!

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  21. More features? by Korin43 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can we have less features and just bug-fixes? I mean, the reason I used Firefox in the first place was because it was tiny. Don't go making it into Netscape again..