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Xbox for Stroke Rehabilitation

An anonymous reader writes "Using an Xbox modified to run Linux, researchers have developed virtual reality hand exercises for rehabilitating stroke patients. An inexpensive glove controller is used to interact with the Xbox. The hardware cost is a tenth of a comparable commercial hand rehabilitation system, leading to the possibility of deployment in patients' homes."

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  1. Interesting... by andrewman327 · · Score: 4, Informative
    A quick Google search shows that there is definitely interest in such a system. By utilizing a redily available asset, they are making it cheap and easy for both patient and developer.

    In case you are wondering what exactly the big deal is about stroke rehab, here is a snippit of a government factsheet:

    In the United States more than 700,000 people suffer a stroke* each year, and approximately two-thirds of these individuals survive and require rehabilitation. The goals of rehabilitation are to help survivors become as independent as possible and to attain the best possible quality of life. Even though rehabilitation does not "cure" stroke in that it does not reverse brain damage, rehabilitation can substantially help people achieve the best possible long-term outcome. What is post-stroke rehabilitation? Rehabilitation helps stroke survivors relearn skills that are lost when part of the brain is damaged. For example, these skills can include coordinating leg movements in order to walk or carrying out the steps involved in any complex activity. Rehabilitation also teaches survivors new ways of performing tasks to circumvent or compensate for any residual disabilities. Patients may need to learn how to bathe and dress using only one hand, or how to communicate effectively when their ability to use language has been compromised. There is a strong consensus among rehabilitation experts that the most important element in any rehabilitation program is carefully directed, well-focused, repetitive practice - the same kind of practice used by all people when they learn a new skill, such as playing the piano or pitching a baseball.
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    1. Re:Interesting... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A friend of mine who had a stroke has found that they have recovered a certain amount of mobility in their "bad" side by playing Eyetoy games on the PS2. I don't know how much and how quickly, but it's probably worth studying more closely.

    2. Re:Interesting... by Scoth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My dad had a stroke two years ago. It was relatively minor as strokes went, but he still had a lot of coordination problems. His left side was far worse than his right. His recovery process was slow until they let him go home and he got back into trying to racing simulations he loved to play (Grand Prix Legends mostly. Awesome game but a heck of a learning curve). All of a sudden he did hugely better and pretty quickly was driving himself for real again. I mentioned it to the physical therapists but they didn't quite seem to understand. It's a shame, I bet there's plenty of untapped potential there. Whether it's actual video games or just something similar like this Xbox setup.

    3. Re:Interesting... by Skjellifetti · · Score: 1

      My wife had a stroke 6 mo. after we were married. She was 22 at the time, so people should not assume that strokes only happen to old folks. One of the effects was that she had trouble manipulating the fingers on her left hand. I set her up with an old game console that her brother had. Having to manipulate a joy stick seemed to help her recovery quite a bit.

    4. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you help her with "stroke rehabilitation?" How about "hand exercises???" Did she ever "stroke" you?

    5. Re:Interesting... by Aadain2001 · · Score: 1

      All these stories from people and based on the article summary, I can take a guess at what is happening: physical rehab (like what you get in the hospital), but done more often because you are doing something you love. While the use of games as rehab, in itself, is pretty interesting, I don't believe that the game is what is helping them recover. It's the constant movement and retraining of the mind, just like conventional physical therapy. Using games is brilliant because it will get people to actually do their exercises. My gf hurt her back a year ago while on the job, and she had a list of exercises to do from her doctor. She didn't do them as often as she should, and I don't blame her. They were boring and they hurt. Now, if there was a game that could get her to do the same motions, she probably would have done them as much as her doctor wanted her to.

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    6. Re:Interesting... by rikkards · · Score: 1

      I can concur with your comment. My wife had a stroke at the age of 30, highly active, eats well and should never have happened. Neurologist and her doctor figure it was due to an upper neck manipulation several days earlier by a chiropractor (We thought about suing but don't feel like being in court for the next two years). Needless to say she hasn't gone back and is pretty much against chiropractors working above shoulders. She got off pretty luckily in that she still gets some vertigo once in a while but otherwise is OK. The vertigo appears to be due to some damage caused that is making her left eye not always track in sync with her right eye.

    7. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could have tried to narrow the search to hand rehab systems

  2. Great job... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... too bad it's a violation of the DMCA.

    *shakes head and walks away in shame*

    1. Re:Great job... by donaldm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately you are right. Microsoft has no chance of making any profit by selling games for this modification it is purely a loss for them and to add insult the software is running under Linux.

      If Microsoft takes the developers to court, they could win legally but could end up with a public relations nightmare, so they will most likely ignore it since they do have very deep pockets.

      The only thing I can see come of this is Microsoft phases out the Xbox more quickly and this of course is going to get developers and gamers offside and that may play in favour of Nintendo and Sony and since Sony has made some major stuff-ups lately they will need every bit of help they can get. At least the PS2 is still a very viable and profitable console for vendors and consumers alike.

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    2. Re:Great job... by aplusjimages · · Score: 1

      I doubt they'll do anything about it. Look at the popular machinima Red vs Blue. They used Bungie's Halo game without permission from Bungie, who is owned by Microsoft. Bungie even let them start selling DVD's for their Red vs Blue series. I bet Microsoft will take the high road and let it be.

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    3. Re:Great job... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >... too bad it's a violation of the DMCA.

      Fortunately, if the cromwell BIOS is used, it isn't.

      The cromwell BIOS allows linux to boot on the XBOX. It contains exactly ZERO microsoft code. It also does not allow any signed (ie: XBOX/MS) code to boot. Therefore it is not a violation of the DMCA, as no "pirate" games can run and no MS software can run.

      XBOXes up to version 1.5 (probably about half of them) do not even require a modchip (which, in a general sense, are DMCA violations) to run different BIOS code. Someone with SMT repair skill can remove the TSOP memory chip, place it in a programmer, and install this BIOS on it, no DMCA violation trickery is required to get the job done.

      Of course, no one in their right mind goes through that trouble, but that doesn't mean it is impossible to do...

  3. A powerglove! Its so retro! by bunbuntheminilop · · Score: 2, Funny

    We're partying like its 1989!

    1. Re:A powerglove! Its so retro! by AuMatar · · Score: 3, Funny

      I love this idea. Its so bad.

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    2. Re:A powerglove! Its so retro! by Greenisus · · Score: 1

      I hated the Power Glove so much! First of all, I'm left handed, which meant I could barely control my gestures. On top of that, I was six years old, so my fingers would only go about halfway into the glove.
       
      But I was so determined to use the awesome Power Glove that I would tape pencils to my fingers and run it in the mode where you had to use the directional pad on the top, and your thumb and index finder were the A and B buttons.

  4. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    But does it run Li.. oh wait, nevermind.

  5. Why an Xbox? by atomicstrawberry · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't see what the big deal in using an Xbox for this is. Wouldn't it be easier to just use an old PC with Linux on it?

    1. Re:Why an Xbox? by Al+Dimond · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm guessing they like that all Xboxen have the same exact hardware, whereas all old PCs don't. This way they can just create one Linux image and slap it on all the Xboxen without worrying about differences in hardware compatibility and performance wasting all their time.

    2. Re:Why an Xbox? by RuBLed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some speculationis to your question.

      Maybe....

      1. It is readily available and quite cheap
      2. They are all the same specs, so what you develop for 1 xbox would have "almost" the same performance as with all xbox
      3. It could be readily plugged into the television set and be unplugged as easily.
      4. More glove sales :) (hmmm.. I could already think of some uses for those gloves that this)

    3. Re:Why an Xbox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I believe the 1.6 versions (the newest ones) of xbox have a video chip that currently is incompitable with linux.

    4. Re:Why an Xbox? by rtyall · · Score: 1

      I can see the benefit of using an Xbox rather than an old PC. This way, Microsoft can attempt to patent it with a very tenuous link to their production of the Xbox, since it's just a more advanced method of their first hand exercise "CTRL ALT DEL".



      (Yes I do realise that MS didn't create it, but then they never invented Conjugated Verbs either....)

    5. Re:Why an Xbox? by rosscoe · · Score: 2, Informative

      One good reason is ease of use. Most stroke patients are elderly, in a lot of cases very elderly. Using a simple device like an xbox with a simple on/off switch will be far easier for them (and any carers) to use than a PC. Stroke patients often have problems remembering as well so the easier you can make it the better. And it's easier from a support point of view, but it would be easier still if it could be released as a proper xbox DVD so that no mods are required. I'm excited about this as my wife had a massive stroke last year and needs all the rehab she can get. This usually requires either lots of expensive kit or lots of visits to a rehab centre (which takes me out of work for a long time), cheap solutions like this one mean I can provide the rehab myself at home in my own time and reduce the cost to our health service.

    6. Re:Why an Xbox? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      At the time this research project started (I happen to know one of the researchers, she was involved with RUSLUG when I was a grad student at Rutgers), the Xbox 360 was not yet available.

      Unlike an old PC which can only be obtained by scrounging, Xboxes were readily available off the shelf. This system was designed to be as cheap as possible.

      Unfortunately, like its predecessor in the "economy VR glove" market (the Mattel Power Glove), the VR glove used is no longer available to my knowledge. :(

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    7. Re:Why an Xbox? by tsa · · Score: 1

      Why not a freakin' Commodore 64? It can do the job just fine.

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    8. Re:Why an Xbox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember my friend breaking 2 joysticks in the same weekend playing decathlon on c64... :-)

    9. Re:Why an Xbox? by Rydia · · Score: 1

      They could do the exact same thing by ordering a commodity system from any number of retailers. It would probably cost less, too.

    10. Re:Why an Xbox? by Raistlin77 · · Score: 1

      I doubt they'd cost less. You can get xBoxes on eBay for less than $100 all day long.

    11. Re:Why an Xbox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please see the following:

      XBOX : $50-150 (used, or new)
        ---Modification : um, trivial?? (IMO)
      Linux : $?? (Someone with Net access, media, knowledge; charity perhaps)
      Glove : Inexpensive (not sure about that price tag)

      Now how much you wanna bet the scenario is like this?

      XBOX/LINUX/GLOVE 1/10 Commercial Stroke rehab system

      Bottom line here is price, and I doubt rehab centers have that much money to fork over to Commercial system vendors.

      Anyone complaining about this setup, needs some rehab time or a good swift kick in the ASS. This type of thing is whats going to save certain parts of our society (taking existing technology and implementing it for cheap compared to past/present commercial offerings). Granted its probably in violation of the DMCA, but I don't think Microsoft, your Congressman, OR the Insurance lobby wants to get that particular EGG on their face.

    12. Re:Why an Xbox? by Herby+Sagues · · Score: 1

      Or they could use some of Negroponte's machines, after buying them from their original recipients. It would be cheaper and easier to handle on a person's lap. What? That it wouldn't be fair because it would imply using subsidized hardware for a mean different than the one intended by the ones paying the subsidies? How is that different from what's going on now?

    13. Re:Why an Xbox? by Strych9 · · Score: 1

      I'm curious what was the resolution of the device? How sensitive could the motion be and accurately do exercises?

    14. Re:Why an Xbox? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well won't all the modding (which surely has to rub ms raw somewhat, since it's outside of their direct oversight/control) just spur ms to vary or keep permuting xbox? Maybe more rampant modding can push ms to "fragment" xbox so much that it it ought not matter anymore whether the stroke software is on xbox or a vanilla PC. Besides, if the hexbox is established as a medical purposes platform, medical costs could go thru the roof, inducing strokes in anyone prescribed one of these hexed machines. Possibly worse, it might catch on needlessly and become some baseline/reference when cheaper vanilla ware exists.

      OTOH, abandoning the hexbox as a medical uses machine might induce a stroke in ms... maybe a thrombosis, too...

  6. Wouldn't... by Joel+from+Sydney · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't modding an Xbox to run Linux require a mod-chip, and thus run afoul of the beloved DMCA?

    1. Re:Wouldn't... by toejam316 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Indeed, but, fortunately, it doesn't require a modchip. all it requires is for you to softmod the Xbox, and possibly replace the Harddrive in it (to make it easyer for Linux). Softmodding, for the uninformed, is a exploit in a few games save game systems (Mech assault being one of them), which allows unsigned code to be run. using a hacked save, it runs a linux program and adds Evolution X (a Dashboard replacement) and a few other bits and pieces to the Xbox. Nifty eh?

    2. Re:Wouldn't... by 9-bits.tk · · Score: 1

      IIRC, there is a way of doing it without using a modchip. It's on the XBOXLinux wikisite.

    3. Re:Wouldn't... by Dormann · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is possible to install Linux on an xbox without a mod chip or even opening the box. It involves loading a "baited" savegame that triggers Intel's infamous buffer overrun and does some reworking of the device's startup files.

      However, as best I can recall, the DMCA doesn't care whether you're using a physical chip. It's just the act of circumventing a protection scheme that's illegal. So yes, the DMCA has still been violated.

      They could have avoided breaking the law by working on this humanitarian project only after leaving the United States.

      Either of these scenarios should make DMCA-loathers smug.

    4. Re:Wouldn't... by SuperDre · · Score: 1

      well, then he/she shouldn't go to Europe (or at least any EU country) because it's also illegal here in europe to circumvent a protection scheme....

    5. Re:Wouldn't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      t involves loading a "baited" savegame that triggers Intel's infamous buffer overrun and does some reworking of the device's startup files.

      "Intels infamous overrun"? Since when does Intel make games? And if they did, wouldn't it make more sense to make PC games, rather than Xbox games?

    6. Re:Wouldn't... by Shemmie · · Score: 1

      Antartica is still DMCA-free... I think?

    7. Re:Wouldn't... by big+ben+bullet · · Score: 1

      FUD!

      You don't need to replace the hard drive... it's got 10Gb stock, and i assume that is more than enough to run the rehab software.

      Ohw, and softmodding an xbox to make it run linux doesn't require a dashboard replacement at all!

    8. Re:Wouldn't... by Mr2001 · · Score: 1
      It is possible to install Linux on an xbox without a mod chip or even opening the box. It involves loading a "baited" savegame that triggers Intel's infamous buffer overrun and does some reworking of the device's startup files.

      How do you get this save game onto your Xbox without opening it up to access the hard drive? Buy a memory card that someone has already preloaded with the save file?
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    9. Re:Wouldn't... by D4MO · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >FUD

      Inaccurate, pehaps. Mistakes, possibly. Fear Uncertainty Doubt it was not.

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    10. Re:Wouldn't... by big+ben+bullet · · Score: 1

      Well, Frequently Uttered Disinformation :-) ... yeah, i know... my mistake

    11. Re:Wouldn't... by keitosama · · Score: 1

      Are you joking? The Xbox uses pretty standard PC hardware.

    12. Re:Wouldn't... by spidrw · · Score: 1

      You can either buy something called the 'Action Replay' which allows you to load gamesaves onto a memory card from a USB port on your PC (think current-gen Game Genie), or you can get a cheap-o memory slot USB adapter and use any old flash drive to load the save. It's a beautiful thing.

    13. Re:Wouldn't... by Dormann · · Score: 1

      Intel's x86 line of processors, one of which is the CPU of the Xbox, uses an architecture where the call stack traverses down memory. Since a character array traverses up memory, it's possible for a text copying function to copy text to a space on the call stack that won't fit, and the excess characters will overwrite the call stack.

      There are three Xbox games that are commonly known to have this flaw, and probably many more that could be found if one was inclined to look.

    14. Re:Wouldn't... by rikkards · · Score: 1

      I> And those would be the original (not Platinum, limited, etc releases) of 007 Agent under Fire, Splinter Cell, and MechAssault

  7. Re:1337 by NosTROLLdamus · · Score: 0

    usted lo falla

  8. Here I am... by AHarrison · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here I am using a mouse like a sucker...

  9. A new twist for the joystick... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Using an XBox to overcome masturbation problems when Viagra isn't enough.

    1. Re:A new twist for the joystick... by Tarison · · Score: 2, Funny

      If ever there was a more fitting signature, I haven't seen it.

    2. Re:A new twist for the joystick... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Now you know how the West was won. :P

    3. Re:A new twist for the joystick... by Foolomon · · Score: 1
      I think using the XBox and the stroke rehab software in a glitzy combination of pr0n and technology is a better idea...

      ...I now present the XXXBox! :P

  10. Prophylactics by KiloByte · · Score: 1

    This is a yet another reminder of the importance of preventive measures!

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  11. GNOME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A GNOME is the best paperweight. It weighs as much as a dummy.

  12. Simple Solution by Propaganda13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Microsoft lawyer says you're breaking the DMCA and this is how we're going to handle it
    1. A small team of software developers will sit down with you and write some rehab software for the XBox 360.
    2. Microsoft will donate the software and equivalent number of 360's to hospitals and clinics.
    3. We have a big press conference and you tell how Microsoft is helping stroke victims.

    -OR-

    We take you to court and do the same thing without you.

  13. Inhibiting research by cryptoluddite · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is exactly why DRM lockdown is such a bad thing for 'promoting the sciences and useful arts'. For xbox 360 these people would have to buy a sdk and pay licensing fees out the wazoo. It would never happen.

    The irony of "free markets" is that the less regulation the worse they perform. Monopolies are crackable DRM.

    1. Re:Inhibiting research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Maybe you would like to comment on the fact that the effect of very much regulation is to _create_ monopolies?

      Such as;

      - extremely high food quality regulation = monopoly for the only company that have the technology/systems to satisfy them and prove it
      - awarding a contract for building a road having as a requirement that the company has a comprehensive social awareness policy and dedicated immigrant integration trained HR officers = monopoly/oligopoly for the few/single larger companies with the resources to invest in this at the side of building roads
      - state running of utility (electricity, gas) regulation = monopoly for the state
      - prohibition of private schools or private hospitals regulation = monopoly for the state
      - extremely high clinical testing regulation = oligopoly for companies that can meet those, e.g. making drug creation literally impossible for any starting company.

      Am I mistaken in thinking you only have a problem with monopolies if they are in private hands?

      I disagree that 'the less regulation the worse they perform', since that would imply that with regulation up the wazoo they would perform spectacularly - and if you truly believe that, I would call you delusional. I can agree that a point in between _full regulation_ and _no regulation_ is optimal, but that takes a bit more discussion than a one-directional knob.

    2. Re:Inhibiting research by blowdart · · Score: 1

      Actually, with the release of XNA Express the SDK and compiler are free for the XBox 360. There's talk of a fee to enable distribution, but it was low, $99 per year.

    3. Re:Inhibiting research by LaughingCoder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The irony of "free markets" is that the less regulation the worse they perform.

      Interesting. As one who has worked in the heavily regulated medical device industry, one of my favorite sayings that I utter frequently (especially when a really good idea gets squashed for "regulatory reasons") is "The more you regulate a business, the worse its products become."

      I have a huge number of examples that demonstrate the truth of this statement (don't get me started). Now, that said, I agree that a completely unfettered market breeds a different kind of problem. So what are we to conclude? As in most things, the "sweet spot" is somewhere in the middle. Of course, that means you must be willing to accept mild doses of the "negative" from the two extremes. In return you get to enjoy some of the "positives" of the two extremes. I look at it like balancing your portfolio in investing terms.

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    4. Re:Inhibiting research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The irony of "free markets" is that the less regulation the worse they perform.
      The luddite part of your nickname serves you well. How about some real examples?
    5. Re:Inhibiting research by vrtladept · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Funny that your DRM example actually proves the opposite. If we didn't have DMCA regulation, copyright, patent, and other "IP" laws then your scenario wouldn't matter, we would just crack the DRM and move on, thus removing the artificial monopoly built by technology.

    6. Re:Inhibiting research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are at least two kinds of regulation. The first regulates a process, as in 'how do you make the food'. The second regulates a practice, as in 'what kinds of clauses you can put in a contract'. Basically, to put it in a soundbite regulating a process is always bad for markets and regulating a practice is always good.

      Regulation in general is like anything else (besides caffeine) as too much and too little are both very detrimental.

    7. Re:Inhibiting research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I contend that the vast majority of those regulations are on the product not the market. Things like "this equipment must be able to withstand a static shock of 30,000 volts without interruption" vs "product specifications and independent audit results must be made available to consumers".

    8. Re:Inhibiting research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hardly. If we didn't have these laws we would already be running completely DRM locked-down computers.

      You can say "just crack the DRM" as if it's easy, but a computer built with DRM from the ground up is almost arbitrarily difficult to crack. For instance, if you use your electron microscope (oh you have one right?) and microscopic scopes to read the key off the chip they can just encode the key into the circuits themselves rather than just put the raw bits in there. In other words, obfuscate the key so you have to reverse a whole billion-transister circuit to obtain it.

    9. Re:Inhibiting research by LaughingCoder · · Score: 1

      I contend that the vast majority of those regulations are on the product not the market.

      And you would be woefully mistaken. Actually, the regulations that are most onerous are on the company's product development process. And don't get me wrong, those regulations aren't in themselves necessarily hostile to new product development. What ends up happening is that the "quality system", which is created by (mostly) company beaurocrats using the FDA regs as justification, dramatically slows down and even discourages new product development. I have seen this play out at 3 different medical companies, so I know whereof I speak.

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  14. How to *really* gain acceptance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Reading this excerpt from the article:
    "In one exercise, a patient attempts to wipe clean four vertical bars of "dirty" pixels that obscure a pleasant image on a computer display."

    You've gotta wonder what'd happen if you loaded pr0n images in there. I'd be doing my exercises all... night... long...

    1. Re:How to *really* gain acceptance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vertical bars on the screen... not the vertical bar in your pants.

  15. Where do I sign up for a stroke, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so I can get one of these??
     
    Stroke patients always get the coolest shit, like this.

    1. Re:Where do I sign up for a stroke, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Where do I sign up for a stroke?

      At your local swimming pool.

  16. W00t!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look what all those Fat Cats and Fat Darrels can do !!!

    Long live the Grease Trucks .....

  17. Quite interesting by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

    First, this is not to praise the xbox, but this is clear example where commonly available technology trumps expensive proprietary solutions. As more and more technologies get built into mainstream hardware, we'll see less "special" devices that cost arm and leg, which perform the same function.

    Let's also not forget that XBOX is a loss leader though, it shows an inherent weakness in this model: you never know of your clients will go the whole path so you can return your money (will they buy games, will they buy enough games etc.).

    It'll be definitely fun if laboratories start abusing PlayStation3 for a parallel FPU computations.. I mean we know most of it is a trick to demonstrate how magically powerful PS3 is.. But imagine if this indeed happens: those scientist won't buy games nor pay monthly fees for online services. They'll just keep stacking PS machines which are bought at a loss from Sony and use them for something completely different.

    1. Re:Quite interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Folding@home is already working on that. Dunno the deal between them and the Big S though. They may suck Stanford a heavy sum for devkits/license I think.

  18. Uh-Oh! by NightDragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey, they could get in big trouble for that! its illegal to run linux on X-box! Those unscroupulus pigs!

    Oh, wait... Except that there are big technological advances to be made out there, but researchers all across the USA are scared to death that they are gonna violate a IP law (such as the DCMA) and be whisked to jail, be sued, or worse.

    I love the fact that these guys didnt let a little thing like a federal law stop them from inventing a solution that can help millions of people worldwide. They deserve a big kudos.

    IP Laws that stifile scientific progress and humanitarian advances? Naw, never!

    Why do we have to live in a country where intellectual property and B.S. politics are put before scientific research and advancement?

    shame on you, congress.

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  19. Re:1337 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you mean JA JA!

  20. is there any relation? by benplaut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    between strokes and epilectic seizures? If so, this is a very bad idea... regardless, there's nothing special about this... an xbox is just a computer, after all...

    1. Re:is there any relation? by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      People who have had a stroke have a greater tendancy to have a seizure. It's something like 5% within the first 24 hours (they wouldn't be getting therapy at this point anyway) and 2-3% within the first year. There are plenty of medications that prevent seizures, though, and many stroke patients take a form of these. You also have doctor supervision (remotely in some instances).

      Additionally, the patient wouldn't be looking at their screen for long periods of time. Therapy sessions are generally limited to short periods of time... there's no use in long periods of therapy. My wife, who is an occupational therapist, suggested that someone with many hours a day of possible rehab time might only spend an hour or two doing actual rehab, and that time should be broken up into 15-20 minute segments.

      Finally, there is something special about this. An Xbox is much more standardized than most computers. The interface for the hardware will be exactly the same on every Xbox, making it easy for therapists and patients to use. Plus it doesn't have to be updated with security patches, virus scanners, etc, so it's more stable than a common desktop computer. It's also cheaper than most computers, coming in around $100-$125 these days.

      Some of the equipment my wife uses costs tens of thousands of dollars and wouldn't be as effective as this. I showed her this article and she's excited enough to show all of her therapist friends at the hospital.

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    2. Re:is there any relation? by TheFlyingGoat · · Score: 1

      I just thought of something else. There's many people that need acute motor rehabilitation in their hands that aren't stroke victims: people that have been in car accidents, have had major surgury, people who are just getting older. The list goes on. Stroke victims are the most obvious candidates since they require a LOT of rehabilitation and there's many of them, but there's plenty of other people that could use this as well. In those instances, seizures wouldn't be an issue at all.

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    3. Re:is there any relation? by sowth · · Score: 1

      This first part is more to the grandparent poster: I don't see these games as a high risk for causing seizures as they don't seem to have many flashing lights. Maybe the butterfly one may be a problem, depends upon how fluttery it is on screen. The pokemon incident was caused because the video flashed the screen repetedly at just the right frequency. I had two strokes, and flashing lights or sudden changes in light cause me to be disoriented. (They don't seem to cause seizures. I think I had a few seizures shortly after the strokes, however I don't think they were caused by any outword simulii...)

      Plus it doesn't have to be updated with security patches, virus scanners, etc, so it's more stable than a common desktop computer.

      What? Any computer which isn't connected to a network and won't be running untrusted programs (or in the case of autorun CD, won't have untrusted CDs) doesn't need to worry about patches or virus scanners at all. The Xbox is a computer, just a restricted one.

      It's also cheaper than most computers, coming in around $100-$125 these days.

      Err...is it really cheaper when you think about all the issues? First off, how do you know this program will even work much longer. Microsoft will undoubtedly release a patch to (try to) fix the hole they're using to run linux. Secondly, you can buy a real computer that does a lot more than an Xbox for $150, not much cheaper. Thirdly, you can buy used computers for much less. (I've seen them for $50 sometimes. In fact, the computer I'm using to type this message was found for free in a dumpster--well the case and motherboard.) Fourth, computers are so expensive because nobody seems to want to manufacture or sell cheap ones. Sony was selling their playstation 1 for $50. That system has more than enough processing ability for the vast majority of home users.

  21. Virtual reality hand excercises? by tuomasr · · Score: 1

    Wait, what?

    Who can honestly say that they did not immediately think of VR pr0n and ... well ... ahem ... you know...

    1. Re:Virtual reality hand excercises? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh good, give them virtual valerie 3 and not only give them another stroke but RSI.

      Why do you hate the elderly :(

  22. obWizard quote by Edd · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I love the power glove - it's so bad

  23. Nothing New by UberG�ber · · Score: 1, Funny

    Using the XBox and Hot Coffee mod I was able to work on my stroke months ago.

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  24. Why I like technological development by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's plenty of debate about the meaning or need of 'taking a society forward'.

    I can certainly agree as many says and lots of evidence show, that human happiness is very much relative, and doesn't really increase with material consumption. But if individual stroke victims can have one of these in their home it should be seen as beneficial to humanity regardless.

  25. "hand exercises" by kcbrown · · Score: 1
    "Using an Xbox modified to run Linux, researchers have developed virtual reality hand exercises..."

    Um, yeah. I guess you have to get the Xbox to run Linux first before you can use it to show your porn, um, I mean "virtual reality environment" in order to do your, um, "hand exercises"...

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    1. Re:"hand exercises" by GrievousMistake · · Score: 1

      Get your mind out of the gutter..
      I mean, RTFA, it just shows dirty pixels. But you wipe them to see pleasant pictures. And fist butterflyes.
      Um, that didn't sound right. Anyway, there's no innuendo here. This is a pure and innocent article about helping people with their strokes!

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  26. Game therapy by bm_luethke · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sometime in the mid 80's I was diagnosed with several "learning disabilities". The only one I still carry to this day is Dyslexia (see my sig). Another one was reaction and hand eye co-ordination.

    For the latter the doctor told my parents to get me to play video games. They, at first, purchased me an (expensive at the time - nearly 3000 dollars) 8086. Unfortunatly for me (and thier money - it wasn't until my senior year in high school - '93 - that I became interested in computers) I never really got interested in it and picked up an Atari which I wore out. I've played video games constantly since then - it worked in my case. I'm sure they wished they had just bought the atari to begin with, but where happy I had something that I wanted to use that was also therapy for my problems.

    I sometimes wonder if the same treatment would be prescribed today given the current attitude towards games.

    The saddest part is that they had to hack the system to do this. I don't really know why they didn't use a PC and one of the free dev kits around - some are quite good (and many of the pay ones are free for research). Maybe they couldn't really find a replacement for the glove, but then it would seem easier to hack it into a joystick port than what they did. Ahh well, at least the research was done.

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    1. Re:Game therapy by cilynx · · Score: 1

      Actually, the P5 isn't "an Xbox controller". The P5 was designed as a USB PC VR interface. It's been around for close to 10 years and is a pretty well known sales flop. I have one sitting on my bookshelf. I used it once before coming to the conclusion that while it is pretty cool, my custom made FSR glove does a better job for the needs of my rehab lab.

    2. Re:Game therapy by mmdog · · Score: 1

      Last year after Christmas my son's teacher started complaining about his 'distractablity.' Fear of even appearing to violate the law kept her from coming right out and saying it, but it was clear that she believed he either had or was developing ADHD. I took him to a psychologist who specializes in education for a diagnosis.

      As is turned out, and even the teacher later conceded, his 'distratability' problem only arose when he was given writing assignments. His behavior otherwise was in her own words "exemplary." The psychologist diagnosed him with a visual tracking problem and signficantly underdeveloped fine motor control on the first visit. The main therapy he recommended was a program that mostly involved playing catch to a rythm with a beanbag while balancing on a balance board.

      While my son would do it, he really didn't enjoy it much and at first progress was slow. Then it struck me that maybe there was a better way. I bought an EyeToy and some dance pads for my PS2 along with some games that used them. When I mentioned this to the psychologist he was very excited and thought it was a great idea.

      Well it worked like a charm. All summer long it was Dance Dance Revolution and EyeToy Kinetic every day, along with some summer study that required fair amount of writing. I had him re-evaluated by the psychologist right before he started school last week but I didn't need the evaluation to know it worked. His writing and coordination had dramatically improved even to just a casual observer and, as the psychologist also said we could expect, his reading skills took a huge leap forward. Now he's been back in school for about two weeks and after speaking with the teacher what do you know, suddenly his 'distractability' problem has disappeared.

      I'm not saying this sort of thing would work for everyone, but it worked in my son's case. Game therapy using cheap off the shelf solutions is something I think we are going to see a LOT more of in the future.

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    3. Re:Game therapy by Strych9 · · Score: 1

      I know why they didn't.

      While on the surface this looks cool, as a fellow researcher on the subject I know that it has many many flaws. They have been doing VR rehab for a while now on various platforms. This is actually a relatively simple 'hack' of a outdated glove. The problem is that it doesn't keep the player or patient's interest and its resolution won't help any fine motor movement, shoulder-yes, arm-sure why not, but not finger or hand.

      Its a nice idea, but ultimately it isn't all that useful.

  27. PC is better and reusable by News+for+nerds · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Though it's clear that this project is illegal as long as they use XBox due to DMCA, why not use a cheap PC instead? Maybe 1 Xbox may be cheaper than 1 PC, but you can use the processing power of 1 PC for doing multiple services at the same time. Also hacking Xbox is just a needless addition to personal costs.

    1. Re:PC is better and reusable by sowth · · Score: 1

      That is a good question. I hope they released the sourcecode somewhere. I don't have an Xbox, but I would like to have that program--I have had two strokes.

      Maybe it works on Linux in general, and they wanted to make it more widespread? The glove appears to work on PCs to. No Mac drivers apparently, but according to this page, they eventually made linux ones.

      Here are some interesting links for the glove: Linux patch to blacklist the P5 from HID (apparently it reports itself as HID device, but does not comply with standard.) Library to use the P5 in Linux geocities page with lots of links to P5 info Page with lots of technical details about the glove

      One question I have: I tried Essential Reality's site, and there is another company listed there. Did they get bought out or go out of business? Is the glove still being made?

      After looking at all this, I want one of these. This would be a kick-ass input device even for regular computing. You could probably use it as a mouse and keyboard (one handed--no pr0n jokes please ;-)...and more!

  28. But wait by webheaded · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't the soft mod exploit legal to install Linux with? What happens you ask? 1. Download gamesave for Mech Assault or another game that has been exploited 2. Open the save in the game of choice 3. Launch Linux Installer While thats obviously a simple run down of what you do, is that actually in violation of anything? You aren't modifying the hardware to run insigned code and crap, you are simply making the game overflow, crash, and then run a BIOS loader which loads a Linux installer. Am I missing something here?

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    1. Re:But wait by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Actually it is. You're purposely doing what wasn't meant to be done on the XBox. If you accidently happen to do that, it would be a different thing. But accidently downloading a manipulated savegame, applying it accidently to your box and then accidently slipping in a BIOS loader and a linux installer that just so happened to be there, that's about as easy to explain (and as credible) as the maid that tripped and landed with her head in your crotch.

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    2. Re:But wait by Aladrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That like asking 'Isn't it legal to break the law when there's nobody and nothing around to get hurt?' No, it's still not legal. There is no 'I didn't do it to break the law' clause in the DMCA. Circumventing the protection, for any reason, by any method, is against the law now in the US.

      The real shame here is that MS doesn't EVER license their devkits to anyone unless they are a serious game developer and can front a huge amount of cash. For that matter, Sony and Nintendo don't, either.

      I'm sure they are afraid some 'pirate' is going to use the official devkit to figure out how to fake the encryption and all that. But they usually figure all that mess out anyhow, or find an even better way to circumvent the protection, so there really isn't much point.

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    3. Re:But wait by amliebsch · · Score: 1

      The real shame here is that MS doesn't EVER license their devkits to anyone unless they are a serious game developer and can front a huge amount of cash.

      Did you get the memo about XNA? Mmmmm. Yeah. You see, it's just that Microsoft is giving away the XNA studio which allows you to develop for Xbox360, for free. I'll go ahead and get you another copy of that memo. Mmmmkay?

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    4. Re:But wait by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 1

      "Actually it is. You're purposely doing what wasn't meant to be done on the XBox."

      you know, if everyone just used things only the way they were "meant" to be used, then I suppose that a lot of things we use today would never be around... just take the PC for example, more than just your average typewriter, it now can do so much more than just what it was meant to do by the big whigs who packaged it and patented it, and Linux can be thanked in large part to that.

    5. Re:But wait by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 1

      But it didn't happen accidentally. . . It was just. . . Someone Who Isn't Me. . . yeah, that's it! SWIM did it.

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    6. Re:But wait by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you go ahead and do that. Ohhh, that's right, you can't because it doesn't do x360 yet. It will 'in the future'. Yeah, sure. Call me when it happens.

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    7. Re:But wait by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Very true. Inventive, creative use of old implementations to solve new problems has been a key to the technological progress we have today. But this is highly discouraged by the industry today. If you solved a problem yourself, you wouldn't have to buy their solution. Worse, you'd solve it in a way that maximizes the benefit for you instead of revenue for them.

      Thus, you're not supposed to solve anything. You are supposed to wait until some solution comes up and then buy it!

      Look around you and realize that, wherever you look, own initiative is discouraged, consumption is encouraged. I remember that DIY shows were almost everywhere on TV in the 80s. There are almost none left, instead we have "home decoration" shows that tell you to go to some furniture store and buy your stuff there. Kids TV shows back then focused on showing you some neat trick or toy you can do with "garbage" like empty cans or bottles, today we got shows that tell you to buy some crap.

      You are not supposed to try things at home. You're supposed to buy!

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    8. Re:But wait by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It was the voices on the internet. Damn those tubes!

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    9. Re:But wait by SnprBoB86 · · Score: 1

      He'll be calling you before the PS3 hits store shelves...

      Oh, but it's not free: it is $99/hr (free for Windows)

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    10. Re:But wait by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      I hadn't realized it wasn't free forever, myself. But $99/hr! I think you mean $99/yr ;)

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    11. Re:But wait by SnprBoB86 · · Score: 1

      Yea, clearly what I ment :-)

      http://msdn.microsoft.com/directx/xna/faq/

      Visual C# Express is free
      XNA's Game Studio Express is free

      Q: How much will XNA Game Studio Express/XNA Framework cost?
      A: The XNA Game Studio Express tools and runtime environment for Windows is completely free. To develop, debug and/or play games on the Xbox 360 you will be required to purchase a XNA "Creator's Club" subscription on the Xbox 360 through Xbox Live Marketplace. The subscription is available in 2 options, $99 a year or $49 for 4 months.

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    12. Re:But wait by sowth · · Score: 1

      Well, that's what people get for using proprietary hardware.

    13. Re:But wait by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      People are going to hate me for this, but I'm seriously considering it. I've wanted to create games for a long time, and I've even helped code/design simple ones that never went any where... But if this makes it even easier, and will work on the x360 also (which I just purchased last week) then I think I could have some fun with it. And of course, there's no investment until I actually want to publish on the 360.

      I'm assuming that selling the content I create is not an option on the free XNA IDE, tho. Not that that's a real problem with the level of game I'm likely to create.

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  29. Re:yewah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using an Xbox modified to run Linux

    This is illegal! I demand these "researchers" not to use my tax-payer-money for such un-American hardware-abuse. Don't you know theat the good American companies lose money with every console retrofitted to run the LUNIX-operative system?

  30. Yes, you are missing something by StringBlade · · Score: 2, Informative

    The act of circumventing the copy protection on the XBox (to get around the Dashboard) is illegal by the DMCA. The DMCA doesn't care if you use software or hardware mechanisms to circumvent (even poor) copy protection. Consider that the DMCA even applies to copy protection on CDs that is activated with Autorun. By holding shift or disabling Autorun you're effectively circumventing that copy protection and therefore violating the DMCA in the strictest sense.

    There are a few exceptions as pertain to Fair Use rights, but the DMCA is not like a patent. It cannot be invalidated because the circumvention is "obvious" or "so easy a 3 year-old could do it accidentally". It's a broad, stupid, law written to protect those who couldn't deal with our court system and the existing copyright laws.

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    1. Re:Yes, you are missing something by unapersson · · Score: 1

      They might still have a hard time with that argument. Is installing something different for a completely different purpose really circumventing copy protection? It's not being used to get access to the content the copy protection is there to protect.

    2. Re:Yes, you are missing something by FLEB · · Score: 1

      But you aren't doing any protected copying. Therefore, no "copy protection mechanism" has come into play.

      I believe the legality of this action comes down to whose lawyer can spin it better.

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    3. Re:Yes, you are missing something by webheaded · · Score: 1

      You could make the same argument against installing Linux on a computer that came with Windows then, couldn't you? The computer was originally intended to run Windows, but you went and broke the law apparently and installed Linux...is that really punishable? I, for one, see it as the same thing. The dashboard is simply a different OS (a stripped down Windows) and you have to go to somewhat greater lengths to GET linux on there. I see that as far use, personally.

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  31. wait by computertheque · · Score: 1

    So you're telling me that there is no way for them to mass produce a similar pc box with this purpose in mind at a similar cost, and that they had to use semi-legal means for deployment? There has to be at least one hardware manufacturer willing to do a better volume discount for either nonprofit or specially targeted purposes instead of resorting to modified xboxen.

  32. The controller is no longer made... by Two99Point80 · · Score: 1

    ...and essentialreality.com looks like it's been taken over by an Xbox distributor. Hopefully the concept will be adapted to other devices.

    1. Re:The controller is no longer made... by cilynx · · Score: 1

      Yet it is. I bought one a month ago to test in my rehab lab. We decided that our custom FSR solution was better. Given that, the P5 is still a fantastic product considering the $60 price tag.

      http://www.vrealities.com/P5.html

  33. Well, we should be complaining about.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's really sad that medical technology is so severly overpriced. Everyone should quit trashing the DMCA issues and attack the real problem: over inflated health care industry you-can-pay-or-die prices.

    As for licensing issues, I say contact the Bill and Melissa Gates Foundation for a grant.

    1. Re:Well, we should be complaining about.... by sedman · · Score: 1

      Close. However, the reason for the high prices is the cost of malpractice insurance. You can't have any medical equipment fail or you get your back end sued off. That bumps the cost up partly because better parts are used, but mostly to cover the insurance.

  34. --Heston by outriding9800 · · Score: 1

    they would have to pry it[xbox] from my cold dead hands.

    Wait I am not dead yet?

    Damn.

  35. Come on Slashdot by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 0
    Come on Slashdot. You know should know that the problem of IP vs, well, nothing is more complex than this. You know that it's a balance to be struck.

    I am quite aware of the benefits of this sort of invention, but the hardware was designed by Microsoft to run signed code, and signed code only. This is how the XBox makes money. Microsoft sells the units at a loss, so the only way they make any money with the current price tag is to sign the games for a cut of the profits. Using the hardware without providing Microsoft their profits may not be stealing, but it certainly could be construed as immoral.

    Why do we have to live in a country where intellectual property and B.S. politics are put before scientific research and advancement?
    It seems so simple to separate IP and research/advancement, but one undeniably helps the other. Maybe these researchers don't expect to patent this invention, or to sell it for profit, but most need the financial inscentive to invent in the first place. Certainly, if the XBox wasn't locked down and protected, it would cost a lot more.
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    1. Re:Come on Slashdot by mmdog · · Score: 1
      ...Using the hardware without providing Microsoft their profits may not be stealing, but it certainly could be construed as immoral.


      That is ridiculous. Microsoft sells the Xbox at a loss hoping and expecting that people will buy the games and peripherals at ridiculous markups. That's their business model and they are welcome to try it, but in no way are they entitled to one dime of 'profit' if their business model is flawed. The only thing immoral about the situation is that our politicians allow our laws to be manipulated to make it possible for a company like Microsoft to ensure that selling their product nets them a profit. That's the risk you take in any business, and it disgusts me that our leaders can be bought off by any company to pass laws that eliminate that risk.

      I'm betting you either work for MS, are an MS fanboi or you're a lawyer.

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    2. Re:Come on Slashdot by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 0
      in no way are they entitled to one dime of 'profit' if their business model is flawed
      It isn't flawed: they lock down the hardware, as I explained. The law (in this case, the DMCA) is fully behind it. It's like saying a bank's business model is flawed, since people can come in and rob it with certain tools. It's not Microsoft's fault that DMCA is readily violated.

      Personally, I'm not in favour of the law, but I know it is the law. I also know that Microsoft is certainly within their rights to ride their business model on this law.

      The only thing immoral about the situation is that our politicians allow our laws to be manipulated to make it possible for a company like Microsoft to ensure that selling their product nets them a profit
      Assuming you are refering to the DMCA, I'm not convinced that this is true to be honest. Ignoring the geek knowledge behind our opinions for a sec here, imagine that you were in the position to pass this law. It was presented to you very neatly, with a convenient laymans terms summary. You read the summary, which proposes that circumventing copy protection, which helps deal with piracy (a rapant problem). It also likens this to laws against breaking a lock. You don't necessarily need lotsa money to win these people over.

      I'm betting you either work for MS, are an MS fanboi or you're a lawyer.
      Funny you should say this, since I'm actually not any one of those three. I friggin' hate just about any MS product, I've never worked for them, and IANAL.
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  36. Simple by TheNinjaroach · · Score: 1

    The XBOX is a great platform for this because of its simplicity. You plug in a power cable and an AV cord and that's it, you have the display on your television screen. The XBOX is small(ish) compared to most PCs and easily hooks into any input your TV requires. Plus, it's built on standard hardware.

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  37. breaking the law breaking the law by WilyCoder · · Score: 1

    An Xbox running linux?

    Someone call the cops! That's illegal!

  38. Good thinking... by Slovenian6474 · · Score: 1

    ...when they're done with their hand exercises, they can play some halo too.

  39. XBOX Recovery by electrogeek_dot_com · · Score: 1

    I think they probably had a stroke in the first place from playing Ghost Recon on their Xbox. Ouch!

  40. Pleasing Image? by necro81 · · Score: 1
    Virtual rehabilitation ... engages patients who may otherwise lack interest or motivation to complete normal exercise regimens.
    In one exercise, a patient attempts to wipe clean four vertical bars of "dirty" pixels that obscure a pleasant image on a computer display. The bars are erased in proportion to each finger's flexing motion, giving the patient immediate feedback on his or her performance.
    Or are they removing clean pixels from a dirty image? Finger motions, eh? [wink wink]

    Perhaps it is just a weird time of day, but I couldn't help reading this angle into the article. I suppose it really could be great motivation for some patients - get them to do their exercises by gradually revealing pr0n.
  41. Re:yewah by aplusjimages · · Score: 1

    Plus if they try to use xbox live they'll be banned from every game (including halo 2) and lose their gamer tag OldyLikesYoungies013.

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  42. So perverse. by puppetluva · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is the most perverse thing I've ever read. A computer built by Microsoft that uses a linux-powered glove to stroke its victims.

    I'd read more about it but I don't really read articles. . . .

  43. Lucky stroke victims... by Milton+Waddams · · Score: 1

    ...with getting a free xbox!

  44. The Xbox setup is cute but... by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 1

    I'm waiting for my SinoLogic 16 with Sogo7 data gloves and Thompson eye phones.

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  45. Xbox is the cause of and solution to all of life's problems.

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  46. FDA approval? by jbrandv · · Score: 1

    I don't think the FDA would approve of such a device. I wanted a CPAP machine to control snoring. (Nothing more than a pressure regulated air compressor which would cost ~$25 if sold over the counter at Wal-Mart!) Could I buy one? No. You must see a doctor ($1200 consultation), have a sleep study ($2500) and get a prescription to own a $1200 air compressor! There are no known side effects and is not harmfull in ANY way. Thank you FDA. I finally found one on Craigs List and now my wife sleeps much better since my snoring has stopped. Oh, and the doctor is required to remove some of the manuals before handing the patient his new CPAP machine. I found the missing manual on eBay. This is a good example of what is wrong with our "Health Care System". Since this device is FDA regulated, and the insurance company is paying for it, they lock it up and over charge everyone! What a rip off! If any other industry operated this way they would be given jail time.

  47. Does it run linux ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neither TLA nor the PR article mentions the use of Linux, after a lil'googling it seems this "fact" comes from here, any ideas ?

  48. Re:Not accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    here:

    For free, with XNA Express, you can only target the Windows Platfrom.
    If you want to use the Xbox 360 it's 99 a year for the "Creator's Club" membership, but you can only produce "non-commercial" games...

  49. robotic stroke rehab by trb · · Score: 1
    I write software for a company, Interactive Motion Technologies, that makes robots used for stroke rehab and other rehab and neuroscience research. Our products are based on research done at MIT.

    I am not familiar with the Rutgers glove in the referenced article, but I think it only senses patient motion, it doesn't move the patient's hand around. Our robots guide patients to move their limbs (shoulder/elbow, wrist, hand, ankle...) while they play various simple video games, letting them move if they can, and assisting their movements if they can't, as a therapist would.

  50. Re:yewah by NemosomeN · · Score: 1

    I'd say this is unethical use of the hardware, unless they buy it from MS at cost, or MS authorizes it. Part of the cost savings is in the form of a Microsoft subsidy, allowing the hardware to be purchased at a discount in hopes of recovering it later. That cost will never be recovered with this use. MS might donate to charity, but this is forcing their hand.

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  51. Re:yewah by generica1 · · Score: 1

    It's unethical if your ethics favour corporations, but not if they favour people and good health...

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  52. Re:yewah by NemosomeN · · Score: 1

    No, it's "worth it" if you favor people and health. Deciding someone else's priorities is unethical. If I want to donate $5,000 of your money to the rehabilitation of crash victims, no matter whether I lean toward caring about you, or caring about the victims, I'm using your money for something you didn't agree to. Microsoft pays for these machines for a specific reason, and by hacking them to another purpose, you are using this money for something that was not intended. Realize also that this is not personal use, this is use by someone who may or may not be non-profit, though it is presumably altruistic (Which is why I'm calling it charity, even though it's almost certainly not). I have no right to determine what your money is paying for. I don't care if I'm using Bob's Hitman service's money to help pay to cure cancer. It might be for a good cause, but it's not my money.

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  53. Linux? by Dudukain · · Score: 1

    An Xbox running Linux? Microsoft will send assassins within the week.

  54. Microsoft always risks the hardware "subsidy" by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

    There are some people who will buy an Xbox in order to play a single game on it. Some will buy the hardware because they have the games but their hardware failed or was lost in a fire or something. Microsoft's decision to sell the hardware as a loss leader does not obligate the buyer of that hardware to make further purchases in order to cover MS's bottom line.

    That being said, there's still the little matter of having to hack the hardware to install Linux on it. Running a version of Linux on the Xbox that makes use of the firmware of the product could be argued to be using a derivative work based on the firmware. IANAL, so hard telling if that'd hold up. Currently the courts seem to support the idea that making things compatible with firmware isn't copyright infringement. Legal precedents get lots of consideration, but new decisions don't _always_ go the same way as the precedent. There's a chip specifically that has to be hacked to allow Linux to boot on the Xbox. That code on that chip has to be functionally identical (at the chip-to-chip interface level) to the original other than the copy protection. That's a stronger argument for copyright infringement, unless the chip was black-box cloned. It's also the same replacement chip in many cases that is illegal under the DMCA for helping people play counterfeit games. There may be a chip that bypasses the OS DRM but leaves intact the valid Xbox game DRM, but I haven't seen one.

    The good news is that controllers work similarly for PCs, and Linux runs on PCs. Hopefully it'll be a short road between the Xbox prototype and getting this to work with hardware that's mroe commoditized. I doubt MS would care about the research as long as this thing doesn't start getting sold as an Xbox hack. They might even be able to use it as positive press.

  55. Re:yewah by zwad · · Score: 0

    you are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong. Its not unethical to buy hardware and then use hardware however you see fit. If MS sells it below cost, that was MS choose.

  56. Re:yewah by NemosomeN · · Score: 1

    As a private individual, I see no problem. I've considered getting an Xbox for no reason other than hacking it. (Ok, ok, and playing Fusion Frenzy. Mario Party - parts that suck). When you get into the territory of not only hacking an Xbox, but using that to try to turn a profit, that's when it becomes wrong. You're using someone else's money to pad your bottom line. Businesses follow different rules than private individuals. One guy hacking his Xbox vs a company rolling out 100 of these is a big distinction.

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