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Face on Mars Gets a Make-Over

Alien54 writes "ESA's Mars Express has obtained images of the Cydonia region, site of the famous 'Face on Mars.' using the High Resolution Stereo Camera. After multiple attempts to image the Cydonia region from April 2004 until July 2006 were frustrated by altitude and atmospheric dust and haze, the High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC) on board Mars Express finally obtained, on 22 July, a series of images that show the famous 'face' on Mars in unprecedented detail, with a ground resolution of approximately 13.7 metres per pixel."

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  1. Primary Goal of the Mission by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative
    Taking these pictures of the face was the primary goal of this mission. ESA was sick of listening to its citizens bitch about there being a 30 year "pictures of the face on Mars" gap (that's a rough translation from European).

    But seriously, it is the first goal of the Mars Orbiter:
    The Mars Express Orbiter will:
    • image the entire surface at high resolution (10 metres/pixel) and selected areas at super resolution (2 metres/pixel);
    • produce a map of the mineral composition of the surface at 100 metre resolution;
    • map the composition of the atmosphere and determine its global circulation;
    • determine the structure of the sub-surface to a depth of a few kilometres;
    • determine the effect of the atmosphere on the surface;
    • determine the interaction of the atmosphere with the solar wind.

    The Beagle 2 lander was planned to:
    • determine the geology and the mineral and chemical composition of the landing site;
    • search for life signatures (exobiology);
    • study the weather and climate.
    I guess I would rather see something more than just regular images come from a mission. Right now, I can see all these things on the ESA's site that help the user see all these pictures of Mars but I don't see any maps of mineral composition, atmospheric movement, etc. I've seen pictures, these are some great high quality images with 3D detail that are great screensaver material. But, for the love of science, when do we get the rest of the data from the mission -- you know, the stuff that is, like, going to alter the way we view Mars? Is the public never going to see these results?
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    1. Re:Primary Goal of the Mission by mustafap · · Score: 5, Funny

      > (that's a rough translation from European).

      Thats a very broad brush :o)

      Go on, say something in European.

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    2. Re:Primary Goal of the Mission by rmccann · · Score: 4, Funny

      Something else in European: "Health care for all. True multi-party democracies"

    3. Re:Primary Goal of the Mission by Yvanhoe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Uh? The "face on mars" only looks like a face on the 1976 Viking's photographs. There has been numerous pictures of this region at higher resolution ever since :

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_on_mars

      I remember the 1998 Mars Surveyor pictures. I wasn't surprise, but who can say honestly that he was not a bit disapointed ? ;-)

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    4. Re:Primary Goal of the Mission by AndyTheSayer · · Score: 2, Informative

      I believe the official language of ESA is English--at least, my work involves an instrument on an ESA satellite and the official languages of the conferences and workshops they run is always English. Though the conferences themselves are often in places like Italy, which is nice.

    5. Re:Primary Goal of the Mission by radtea · · Score: 2, Interesting

      the official languages of the conferences and workshops they run is always English.

      This is generally true in the sciences, and may be a result of the ESA's scientific mandate.

      It makes it easier that every word is an English word: "Pukka sushi compadre" is an English sentence. That's one reason why English has so many more words than most language: we borrow words from other languages with wild abandon (and aren't very good about giving them back.)

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    6. Re:Primary Goal of the Mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      > Something else in European: "Health care for all. True multi-party democracies"

      "Abortions for some-- miniature American flags for others!"

    7. Re:Primary Goal of the Mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Something in European?

      *ahem*

      "Stupid Americans!"

      There you go.

    8. Re:Primary Goal of the Mission by anno1602 · · Score: 2, Informative

      "hasse", not "haße"

    9. Re:Primary Goal of the Mission by MrLizard · · Score: 2, Funny

      >Go on, say something in European.

      "Le Americans, they steenk!"
      "By yiminy, ve surrender!"

      How's that? I know I have a bit of an accent, but I think I can be understood.

    10. Re:Primary Goal of the Mission by ShawnDoc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This hasn't stopped the Enterprise Mission people from claiming conspiracy and that it is indeed still a face. Their web page is hilarious. One of the most recent articles has scans from a 1950's era Jack Kirby comic that featured a giant face on Mars as "proof" we knew about the face years ago, and that someone must have "leaked" the story to Jack Kirby. Too much fun.

    11. Re:Primary Goal of the Mission by PresidentEnder · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Haße" soll nicht "hasse" werden!
      Stand against forced spelling reform!
      That is all.

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  2. A face huh? by celardore · · Score: 5, Funny

    If that's meant to look like a face, it's a hella ugly one.

    1. Re:A face huh? by NeoTron · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To me it looks more like an island, and the sea around it has gone...

      What strikes me about the pictures from the Mars Express is how weird they look - they look kind of artificial - like they've been hand-drawn/painted by a 1950's space artist. They don't look like a picture if you nkow what I'm trying to say. The colours are very "rich" and unreal looking - difficult to explain - it might be a result of the prcoessing they've gone through.

    2. Re:A face huh? by bigattichouse · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As if they originated on an alien world? Minus a blue sky, lighting is much different.

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    3. Re:A face huh? by NeoTron · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes I do realise that, thank you :)

      But take a look at http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/marsexpress/30 8-230906-3253-6-3d2-Cydonia_H.jpg and you'll see what I'm talking about. What I think they've done is really enhance the contrast of the picture. The colouring still reminds me of old 1950's style drawings of craters and the like.

      I wasn't trying to imply the pictures are fake at all, by the way. :)

    4. Re:A face huh? by vhogemann · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm just guessing, but, they look like 3D renders from the surface.

      Since the other pictures are anaglyphs (the sort of image that looks 3D when you use that red-blue 3D glasses), one can guess that they already processed the images to extract topological info... So a 3D render, to examine Mars surface details, seems logical to me.

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    5. Re:A face huh? by saider · · Score: 2, Informative


      From the FAQ...

      Yes, the images have been processed but that is quite normal. We are not taking colour photographs, we have to combine the different colour channels which requires processing time. Each of the four colour channels operate with a filter of different wavelength (red, green, blue and infrared) and produce data sets which have to be combined and calculated on to a digital elevation model.

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    6. Re:A face huh? by imsabbel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, thats easy.
      The original source is multiple band photographs and height information.
      As the "top down" view cannot really present that information, those are renderings using the height-field and texture data the probe collected.

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    7. Re:A face huh? by dr_dank · · Score: 2, Funny

      Look at the title of the article; thats why it's getting a makeover.

      The upcoming Queer Eye for the Red Planet Probe is going to use an eyebrow plucking robot and deploy an "chic hat" so it can be the hip, modern face of Mars.

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    8. Re:A face huh? by gfxguy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Didn't you hear the news? Tinfoil hats AMPLIFY their ability to read your mind.

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  3. You think this will quiet the conspiracy nuts? by p51d007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I doubt it......the Roswell types will say that the image was doctored to distort the truth bla bla bla. It is a formation of ROCKS....period. Same as the "old man on the mountain" in Georgia. Heck, as a kid, you ever see "things" in clouds?

    1. Re:You think this will quiet the conspiracy nuts? by DrXym · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, but Richard Hoagland wouldn't sell any books if he just said it was just a rock formation. No, it's a CONSPIRACY and will be as long as there are people stupid enough to believe him.

    2. Re:You think this will quiet the conspiracy nuts? by will_die · · Score: 2, Informative

      Old man of the mountain, of US State quarter fame, is New Hampshire. Well until it got blown up.

    3. Re:You think this will quiet the conspiracy nuts? by starseeker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is no evidence that will quiet those people. Any contradiction to their already formed conclusion will simply be part of the "conspiracy".

      It's the same with anyone who has already made their decision without the need for evidence - more evidence doesn't do a thing to them.

      I have a feeling you could take some of those people who think NASA faked the moon landing to the moon IN PERSON and they would still conclude that it's an externally imposed delusion, because they are starting from the basic premise that they are right. Facts will need to fit that preconception. Same thing here.

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    4. Re:You think this will quiet the conspiracy nuts? by timholman · · Score: 2, Interesting
      There is no evidence that will quiet those people. Any contradiction to their already formed conclusion will simply be part of the "conspiracy".

      Anyone with a few minutes to waste (and I do mean waste) can browse Richard Hoagland's web site (enterprisemission.com) and see just how true this statement is.

      Twenty years ago, before high-resolution photos of Mars were available, Hoagland got a lot of mileage out of the low-res Cydonia photos. I remember that he even wrote a couple of fairly serious speculative articles about Cydonia that were published in Analog magazine. After the high-res images became available, and it became obvious that the "face" was nothing of the sort, Hoagland went completely off the deep end, and now claims that the surface of Mars is literally covered with artifacts, i.e. "rocks" to the non-believers. Hoagland will show image after image of a random rock on the surface of Mars and proclaim that this rock is clearly artificial, that NASA is denying the obvious truth, etcetera, etcetera.

      The beauty of being delusional is that you can find any pattern you want in random images or data, provided you decide to pick and choose what parts of the image/data to disregard. However, in Hoagland's case it's probably less a matter of being delusional than a case of wanting to maintain his revenue stream from the True Believers.
  4. However they analyze it by tbone1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I still say it looks like Al Gore.

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  5. What face? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Either I'm missing it or martian faces are anatomically distict from the faces of human kind (and that of president Bush). Can somebody please do a redline?

  6. Re:Well Done by Xiroth · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...I really hope this is a joke. Otherwise, try reading at least the first sentence of the summary. Here's a hint: the ESA isn't part of NASA.

  7. Re:Well Done by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 4, Informative

    Firstly, this is done by ESA (European Space Agency) and is not a NASA mission.

    Secondly, its an orbiting space platform and has nothing to do with rovers (unless you mean the ill fated Beagle 2 which was carried on this mission).

    But having corrected all that, you are right its a job well done.

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  8. Noooooooo!!!11eleven1! by ZaMoose · · Score: 3, Funny

    This sort of information could be a death blow to conspiracy theories and the end of wild speculation as to the face's true origins and thus keep movies like John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars, Red Planet and Mission to Mars from being made!

    Oh wait, that's a good thing.

    Errrm, nevermind.

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  9. The "other" face on Mars by ribuck · · Score: 2, Informative

    I like the "other" face on Mars better. It's a crater with rocks shaped like eyes and a smile: http://roger-browne.com/weblog/2006/03/17/google-m ars-and-the-happy-face/

  10. Today's vocabulary word is "pareidolia" by greg1104 · · Score: 4, Informative

    See http://www.skepdic.com/pareidol.html for a definition. A commentary on this particular image (along with some wicked cool visual illusions) is at http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/fcs_face_on_mars/inde x.html

    Please excuse me, I have to return to searching my toast for the Virgin Mary now.

  11. Not just on Mars by piggywig · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yawn. Seen it all before. There are some conspiracy nutters who think theres something like that here on earth too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Rushmore.

  12. Other cool facts about the mission by YA_Python_dev · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Mars Express contains 7 different scientific instruments and, amongs other things, it has already:

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    1. Re:Other cool facts about the mission by jafac · · Score: 2, Funny

      , receiving data from the Mars rovers and transmitting it back to Earth (yes: they use the same communication protocol!).

      No they don't.

      The english units sent by the mars rovers are encapsulated in metric units, and converted back on earth. /snark

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  13. That's no face... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Look closely at this image of cydonia. Now look closely at the torso on this image, that's proof positive that intelligent aliens with hyperdrive technology have travelled through this galaxy. For the doubters, here's a larger image. I just can't believe that world governments have managed to keep the truth covered up for so long!

    The world needs to know!

  14. Link to the old, low-res version by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 4, Funny

    In case of slashdotting: :-o

  15. Google? by DoChEx · · Score: 2

    So when are they releasing Google Mars?

  16. There are many faces on Earth too by mrcgran · · Score: 5, Interesting
  17. Re:It's human nature... by thesandtiger · · Score: 4, Funny

    When looked at from a particular angle, with particular lighting, then yes, it can look like a human face. But pictures shown from other angles or with different lighting don't look anything like a human face.

    Heck, if you get the lighting right and go from just-so an angle, even Keith Richards seems to have a human face.

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  18. It's obviously a face by DavidHumus · · Score: 3, Funny

    What's wrong with you people?

    Are we even looking at the same picture?

    Look, on the near side is the chin, up from there is the nose, up from there are the other two noses and to the right of these is the telepathy patch.

    You people are just too cynical for your own good.

  19. in other news.. by treskel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    some people claim to have seen iesous(jesus, iesus, claims vary) on the very surface of earth http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&t=k&ll=-16.33701 3,-71.959763&spn=0.075447,0.113811&t=k The human mind got some imprinted patterns, christians will see what they want to see, reptile sentients will see the holy Lizard king. Nothing new under the olde sun, have a nice day

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  20. The images aren't easy by oneandoneis2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's hard to actually work out where the "face" is on the new, high-quality images - they show a lot more area and they're not taken at the same angle. I put a post on my blog with just the part of the image that shows the face, you might find it useful for comparisons.

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  21. Re:It's human nature... by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    Heck, if you get the lighting right and go from just-so an angle, even Keith Richards seems to have a human face.
    I defy you to find a single photograph that backs up this statement.
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  22. Still looks convincingly face-like to me... by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Even in more detail and from more angles, I find it still looksat least as much like a face as the Old Man of the Mountain in New Hampshire, the image of the Virgin Mary in a fogged thermopane window in Milton Hospital, Massachusetts.

    It also looks at least as much like a face as human-constructed faces that have been ravaged by time, such as the Sphinx, or Michael Jackson.

  23. Ask the Moche People by scotbot · · Score: 2, Informative

    The only way we can tell for sure that these aren't articificial is actually to go there and see for ourselves. You cannot dismiss the apparently face-like features of the formation as mere tricks of the light or simulacra until you've discounted all the alternatives. As we cannot determine it's not an articificial structure from mere imagery, we have to go there and investigate in person (not that is gonna be forthcoming anytime soon).

    An earthly comparison

    In Peru there's a place that is dominated by huge hills which dwarf the surrounding landscape. From a far these look like any other hill in an arid desert environment. However, closer inpsection reveals them to be huge man-made pyramids which have been so badly eroded over the centuries they no longer look articificial at all. They are made of hundreds of thousands of mud bricks. But the culture which built them is no longer around.

    Now, suppose they had built just one of these giant structures but in the shape of human face . Given the absence of the people who built it and of any other evidence there was anyone there to build it anyway, and having been eroded for centuries, wouldn't it now look entirely natural, and any facial resemblance entirely co-incidental. Alas, it was only by being up close that its nature was determined.

    And as it is with the Pyramids of the Moche, so it is with Cydonia. We're going to have to go there and see for ourselves. We might all just be surprised.

  24. Re:They're still busy... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Funny

    I never realised before that it was possible to fail a Rorschach test.

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  25. Re:The face is small potatos by Teilo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Shows what you know. We WERE on Mars 15 years ago. In fact, we are there now. Who do you think wipes off the solar panels on the rovers after a dust storm?

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  26. Re:It's human nature... by peragrin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes but is there hope for Micheal Jackson to ever have a human face?

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