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How Warcraft Really Does Wreck Lives

An anonymous reader writes "There's a great blog post about how World of Warcraft can ruin lives, it's written by a person that was for a long time a member of the largest council on what is now one of the oldest guilds in the world." This is a story that is very familiar to a lot of folks. I know people who are actively wrecking their lives and risking their jobs by playing too much of a video game.

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  1. I need help by bl00d6789 · · Score: 5, Funny

    LFG for WoW Addicts Anonymous, PST

    1. Re:I need help by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

      *stands up and addresses the circle of Slashdot*

      My name is eldavojohn. I am a WoW addict and I need help. Yes, this is a real addiction, I have sucked dick for monthly payment cards.

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    2. Re:I need help by x2A · · Score: 5, Funny

      haha, the fools, playing WoW when they could be posting on slashdot instead.

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    3. Re:I need help by flanman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's a really good point. Relating the time spent playing WOW vs. time spent watching tv.

      I play about 2-3 hours a day at a sitting but definitely don't play every day.

      My wife growls at me for the time I watch playing wow but I'm able to have a conversation with her and watch tv at the same time (my tv and PC are in the same room).

      Why is it (generally in the minds of non-gamers) that time spent with the TV is somehow "better" than time spent gaming?

      I suppose that if you completely coccoon into the game vs. remaining aware of the outside world it's a problem but that applies to anything.

      I often play wow with both my girls on my lap telling me what to kill and which quests to run. (most of my toons are also female because the girls name them).

      Seems like yet another media sponsored backlash against time spent away from the tv.

    4. Re:I need help by KingMotley · · Score: 5, Funny

      This begs the questions...

      Are you cute?

      and

      I have some unused play cards, maybe we could make a deal?

    5. Re:I need help by C0rinthian · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sex > killing cartoon dragons.

    6. Re:I need help by Fozzyuw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      *stands up and addresses the circle of Slashdot*

      Anything can be an addiction, and video games are no different. However, with the advent of MMO's, game addition has become much more social and mainstream than before.

      From the article...

      Why did I leave? Simple: Blizzard has created an alternate universe where we don't have to be ourselves when we don't want to be. From my vantage point as a guild decision maker, I've seen it destroy more families and friendships and take a huge toll on individuals than any drug on the market today, and that means a lot coming from an ex-club DJ.

      This is true of Blizzard, however, it should be noted that this did not start with WoW. EverQuest(EQ) was the pioneer of the 'mainstream' MMO. Every heard of the phrase 'EverCrack'? Anyone who's played EQ has. There was a group formed called EverQuest Widows that comprised of people who left their husband / wife because of their game addiction. Or Husbands / Wives who had an affair with someone they meet playing this online game.

      Of course, it isn't just EverQuest, it's an MMO thing, or possibly just restricted to the Fantasy genre as I've not heard of these same issues nor have I ever been as addicted to MMO's such as City of Heroes / Villans, Star Wars, or Matrix. I've seen these issues in EQ, Dark Age of Camelot (DAoC), and World of Warcraft (WoW).

      During my time in DAoC, I actually experianced a real life situation where a wife who recently left her husband due to his game addiction. A wife I met playing DAoC with her and her husband. She joined DAoC to try and spend more time with her husband only to be left to level her own toon, while her husband ran off to do 'end game' raids.

      This couple had other problems that an MMO addiction amplified. And their story will be familiar to a vast number of people. WoW, did not start this kind of 'extreme' addiction, but being the largest MMO, it will introduce it to the most number of people.

      MMO and game addiction for myself, almost killed my college education. Of course, I've been addicted to Nintendo since I was 8 (and Pong and Intellivison before that). I hated sports until I was 12 when I started Football, despite my parents forcing me to wrestle between 8-12 year of age. I was overweight when I was a kid and I didn't get out and play with a lot of kids. My favorite gifts where Tiger Electronic hand held games. So, suffice it to say, I've been an 'addict' for a long time. However, the MMO and it's 'vitual' reality and the ability to actaully people with other people (co-op multi-player games where my favorite however you had to find a friend to play Nintendo with you) pulled me deeper than ever before. Dusk to Dawn game sessions. Skipping class (in college), passing oppurtunties to party (in one of the US's highest rated party schools), little to no studying. 10 mins reading a book, and I'd be thinking "If I kill these mobs, I can get this item! I can just farm those and level!"

      It was after DAoC experiance that I had to regain control. Then I studied in Europe for a year with no outlet to really play video games at all. It was a great way to break the habit. When I returned from Europe, WoW was released. I still bought and played it on release day. I even had some long game sessions. However, it was much easier to pull myself away than before. My GPA went from 2.0 to 3.4. I went out at least twice a week with friends and visited my family more often.

      The beauty of WoW is that it's extreamily easy to get a character to the 'end' level (whatever that may be at any given time). while all the other games I played make it so hard and difficult, that I've never actually 'maxxed out' a character in any other game.

      Video Game addiction is a serios thing that gets little attention due to it's 'taboo' idea or possibly sound 'silly'. I don't th

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    7. Re:I need help by Dragonslicer · · Score: 5, Funny
      Sex > killing cartoon dragons
      Only on Slashdot would this statement get modded Informative.
    8. Re:I need help by jdray · · Score: 5, Insightful

      there is no chemical addiction going on here.

      That's not quite true, though many would accuse me of picking nits. In this case, the chemical addiction is to a chemical produced by the body, not introduced externally. Either way, it's chemical, though.

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  2. Yearning Crusade. by Honest+Olaf · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The Burning Crusade expansion for WoW is coming, so named because of how the game devours human lives, leaving them a smoldering ruin." ~ Tycho

  3. Broken by Broken+scope · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is the setup of the game. It really cannot be enjoyed in short bursts like most games can. You need to finish an hour long dungeon to get any rewards out of playing. Most other games you can drop in for a few 5 to 15 minute rounds. Then again it also speaks out for the woeful lack of discipline many people have... myself included. However i have yet to let it hurt my grades. Must get that glove... beastlakers... .>

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  4. Cartman put it best... by dduardo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mom....bathroom

  5. Reminds me... by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's this married woman I really like. Do you guys think I'd have a chance with her if I introduced her husband to WoW so that he'd get hooked and not perform important functions like working and another I don't need to remind you of? I haven't played it myself so I'm not sure how effective this would be.

    1. Re:Reminds me... by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      It might work, but after leaving a guy for playing too much WoW, she probably wouldn't let you play it at all. Now honestly, do you really want to give up WoW for a woman? Think of your guildmates.

  6. Let's be frank... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Games do not wreck people's lives. People wreck their own lives.

    Some people gamble, some people cheat on their spouses. Some other people do drugs, and others drink too much. Some people are slackers, some people are workaholics. And yes, some people play video games too much.

    Whichever way you look at it, people have a choice. They can stay grounded in reality with minor diversions into fantasy-land (whatever form that fantasy may take) and keep their lives balanced, or they can throw their lives away. Saying that World of Warcraft, The Jerry Springer Show or The Devil made you do it is a cop out.

    1. Re:Let's be frank... by radtea · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Whichever way you look at it, people have a choice.

      "What the science shows, he says, is that the brain of an addict is fundamentally different from that of a non-addict. Initially, when a person uses hard drugs like heroin or cocaine, the chemistry of the brain is not much affected, and the decision to take the drugs remains voluntary. But at a certain point, he says, a "metaphorical switch in the brain" gets thrown, and the individual moves into a state of addiction characterized by compulsive drug use."

      Some drugs--tabacco and meth, for example--are far more aggressive than others in altering brain chemistry in ways that make the choice to quit harder. And some people are far more susceptible than others. But there is no doubt whatsoever that addiction is a perfectly ordinary physiological phenomenon, no different from any other crippling physical disorder, and it affects some people severely enough that they no more have a choice to quit and than a parapelegic has a choice to walk. They literally lack the physiological capacity to do so.

      This does not mean that all people are so affected--like any other disease, additions have different effects on different people. Some people get smallpox and live. Others die. No one thinks that anyone has a choice about it.

      In the case of addiction, some people's capacity to choose is physiologically limited to the point where they lack the ability to quit on their own, just like some polio patients lack the ability to breathe on their own. I don't see anyone saying, "Whichever way you look at it, polio patients have a choice."

      The article I've linked above includes disenting voices, but no one is saying that the brains of addicts aren't fundamentally altered by drug use. They are arguing over what the policy implications of that are, based on some pretty clearly delineated, and extremely stupid, ideological biases on both sides. And non-drug-related things, like compulsive game-playing and compulsive gambling may or may not involve similar physiological changes, but there is no doubt that sometimes people do not have a choice, however much you might want to believe otherwise.

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    2. Re:Let's be frank... by Sage+Gaspar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well said. I don't know why everyone on the internet wants to be an Ayn Rand protagonist.

      As much as I disagree with Rand, it's because she lived in a fantasy land of multitalented, competent businessmen whose ethical standards prohibited exploiting others for profit.

      Step 1 to quitting is taking personal responsibility. The guy in the article lives for other people's praise, wants to be that crucial guy that always put in the time to get the skills/items/info they needed for the raid, loves having other people dependent on him. He says as much in the article. I'm familiar with that playstyle because that's what I enjoy too.

      Posting that article was just another way for him to elevate himself above his former guildmates (you're still playing that old game?) and get a lot of praise from the easily-wooed MMO community. If he doesn't get over that, he's just going to keep going back to the easy fix in a couple months when reality doesn't accomodate him anymore. No one can ultimately stop him from reinstalling and setting up another account besides him.

  7. game X ruins lives: heard this before by rubycodez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Heard this kind of nonsense 25 years ago about other games (e.g. dungeons and dragons). The truth is some people have problems between their ears. The problem isn't WarCraft or any other game.

  8. 70 days in a year by onion2k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He played for 70 days out of a year. That's "only" 19.something percent. If you're the sort to only need 4 or 5 hours sleep a night you could easily fit that in beside a pretty normal life (9 - 5 job, a light social life, chores, etc). If giving 1/5th of your day over to a hobby is a sign that your life has been devoured then you need to sort out your priorities. Everyone should dedicate that much time at least to stuff they enjoy. Perhaps it's a bit narrowminded to concentrate on a single activity, but it's better than spending all that time at the office or wasted in a bar*.

    * Ok, maybe the bar is ok..

  9. Good post by niola · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is a good post. Basically sums up WoW for a lot of the "hardcore raider" types.

    MMORPG's are like being on a treadmill with someone dangling a treat in front of you. Every once in a while you might get a taste, but they will never let you have it because as long as you want what you can't have (perhaps the feeling of 'winning'?) you will keep paying 15 bucks a month to get closer and closer to and end that keeps drifting further away.

    Blizzard has made what is arguably the most addictive MMO ever appealing to human nature's greed, and the need to feel accomplished.

    Up until last month I was one of those types too. I played WoW EVERY night and every free moment. I would be lying if I said I did not enjoy it.

    But a few things intersecting caused me to take a step back.

    First was the alpha for the expansion. After a week of playing that I realized all the godly best-on-the-server epic gear my priest had would soon be shit since at level 70 (in some cases earlier) I would get gear at or better than the current gear I had. This basically meant when the expansion came out not only would I have to "grind" out 10 more levels, but from a gear standpoint it would be like re-starting the game.

    Secondly, I enrolled in a couple of classes and had some family stuff come up. Between the alpha making me concerned, and real life keeping me busy several nights a week, I have gotten to the point where I do not even feel like logging in most of the time.

    Logging in means raiding. Raiding means farming for consumables etc. Farming means work.

    It's at this point you begin to realize WoW is like a second job - but one you pay to work at.

  10. What are the positive things? by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wow, like IRC (and a lot of the rest of the internet) is not just destructive. It *can* be a handy sandbox that prepares people for real life.

    I played WoW for about a year, running a major guild. What did I learn?
    That I'm good at self depreciating humour.
    That I can get people to follow me by being the first one to stand up and provide direction.
    That leading people is more about knowing where you are going than how you are going to get there.
    How to negotiate peace between two people who have genuinely lost sight of what's important.

    Which of those skills have turned out to be useful in my current career? 100% of them. I stand up every day knowing that basically the people I work with are no different to the people I played with, that saying something is better than saying nothing, and that if I get fired hell at least I can enjoy my unemployment hunting for epics with some old friends. It's the same confidence that people who lead sports teams at school get... and now it's available to geeks.

    I might point out that being acclimatised to 70 hour working weeks and doing the same boring crap over and over also helps in the real world. Being able to have two priorities and still getting everything done with really limited time isn't exactly bad practice either.

    Would I hire ex gamers? Probably. It depends if they have used their time to do something valuable, like learning how to build their confidence, lead, motivate and get along with others - and that's hard to demonstrate.

    Like everything else - knowing when you have learned as much as you can and it's time to move on is a big part of determining if online games will be a constructive or destructive thing for you.

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  11. Re:Wrecking their lives? by misleb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I also didn't like how he compared WoW to "the worst drugs on the market" or whatever. He said WoW was WORSE than those. Please. He played daily for a year and then quit with no desire to go back. Try that with heroin.

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  12. If it weren't WoW, it'd be something else by daeg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    People with very little to do and have addictive personalities are prone to get addicted to anything -- WoW or otherwise. For every major addict that ruins his life, there are dozens that enjoy it responsibly. If WoW weren't around, they'd be addicted to something else -- another game, collecting stamps, stalking people, etc. Addictive personalities have existed for a long, long time.

    For my boyfriend & I, we use it as an inexpensive form of entertainment. We raid, but nothing insanely hardcore. 2 nights a week, usually. Other couples watch TV, we play WoW. You can't really beat $15/month ($30 for two) for some quality entertainment.

  13. Re:Hey, don't be too hard on him. by Howserx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    at least he was taught the truth. There's no point to life, we're just meat sacks. would his life be any better if he was stuff full of a mythology du jour? no he'd just think that it was because at some point in the future they'd get harp lessons.

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