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Microsoft Office Genuine Advantage (OGA)

Ant writes "PC World is reporting that Microsoft's Office Genuine Advantage (OGA) program will require mandatory validation of Office software starting October 27 (2006)." From the article: "Similarly, starting in January, users of Office Update will have to validate the legitimacy of their Office software before they can use the service, Microsoft added. Users absolutely hated the first iteration of the Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) program, and their protests pressured the company into revising it about a year after it launched in July 2005."

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  1. Just gets easier by krray · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is getting easier and easier to continue using Open Office is seems...

    1. Re:Just gets easier by sporadic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Great timing too, I just uninstalled Office 2000 from my main desktop yesterday and installed OO 2.0.4. I thought about checking out the Office 2003 standard edition (free 30 or 60 day eval from MSFT) but decided against it; what would be the point? OO is more than enough for my personal use, and appears to open all my existing doc and xls files correctly (granted not very complicated files).

      Sporadic

    2. Re:Just gets easier by muckdog · · Score: 4, Funny

      Considering that a search on Amazon returned 334 hits just for books on Openoffice, I'm sure one of them can tell you how to insert in your spooky halloween clipart.

    3. Re:Just gets easier by interiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Microsoft is betting that Windows and Office are so easy to use versus the open source counterparts that they can afford to decrease the ease of use a little bit with these shenanigans, and still come out on top. Which makes it all the more important to make sure open source software is as user-friendly as absolutely possible, so end users aren't forced to choose between two difficult options.

    4. Re:Just gets easier by kimvette · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The OOo manual is every bit as thorough as the typical OEM Microsoft Office manual.

      What? There is no manual for M$ Office, you say? At least not one worth the paper it's printed on?

      Well then, we are indeed comparing apples to apples here.

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    5. Re:Just gets easier by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, actually.

      http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/OOo2.x /user_guide2_draft.pdf

      At a svelt 587 pages, it is exactly 496 pages longer than the Office 2003 Manual, located here: http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/f/1/0f1d5 b1f-53bc-47c3-bf6f-ac6d67cf9766/Office2003Guide_WP .doc .

      I know size doesn't count for everything, but still; it's there, it's significantly better than the OEM MS Office manual, and it is accompanied by fantastic community support, including developer feedback.

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  2. Customer as criminal by kherr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Microsoft is just one of the highest-profile examples of a company viewing their customers as criminals (Sony Music also comes to mind). Most of the piracy comes from people who would never buy the products in the first place. Punishing legitimate users won't end piracy and it won't boost sales. What is wrong with these companies? The more Microsoft blocks the use of Office the more likely alternatives will gain stronger position in the market. Which is fine by me, I'm tired of getting simple text documents in doc format.

  3. Huh? by aero2600-5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't understand Microsoft. The Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) is actually very easy to defeat, and I'm sure this new OGA will be just as easy. Why irritate customers when the people who intend to use without purchasing it will do so anyway? Did they buy a copy of Sony's playbook titled "How to piss away your loyal customers and then blame them for your lack of growth"?
    I really don't get it. Why continue to do something after it's been proven ineffective?
    Aero

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    1. Re:Huh? by kfg · · Score: 4, Funny

      I really don't get it. Why continue to do something after it's been proven ineffective?

      "Stop crying. If you want to cry I'll give you something to cry about. Whack! There, how did you like that? Now stop crying."

      There's really no accounting for the behavior of people. That's why, on the whole I prefer hanging out with cats.

      KFG

    2. Re:Huh? by Shados · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That really shows how clueless the Slashdot crowd can be sometimes, considering how many places this comment pops up.
      Yes, WGA is easy to defeat. Thats not the point. There are douzans of thousands (dare I say hundreds of thousands?) of people who copy CDs and install them all over (even large corporations!) because they don't realise that its 1 license per user. Read that again: They don't realise it, they don't know it. Many -consulting firms- (thats geeks here!) buy 1 MSDN Universal subscriptions, and use them for 20 developers, thinking its what you're SUPPOSED to do. Same with Windows, same with Office, same with everything. These tools are ONLY meant to stop those people. No one else. Yes they will lose a few customers (a lot even) in the process. But they'll make it back up. You have no idea how many people I know purchased legit copies of Windows just because of the original WinXP's activation scheme, going "Wha? You mean if you own the CD its not enough to install it on my 8 computers? How come?", until they got explained how things work in the non-free world.

  4. That's Responsiveness! by jazman_777 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Users absolutely hated the first iteration of the Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) program, and their protests pressured the company into revising it about a year after it launched in July 2005.


    Yes, users hated it, so they expanded the program to cover other products. Thanks, MS!

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  5. Office Update? What's that?? by denebian+devil · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...any Office Online templates downloaded from within the Office 2007 Microsoft Office System applications will require validation of legitimacy...


    ...users of Office Update will have to validate the legitimacy of their Office software before they can use the service...


    The joke's on Microsoft. Exactly how many people use Online templates or Office Update? Compared to people who use Windows Update, I'm guessing not that many. And of those people who do use Office Update *and* don't have a legit copy of Office, how many of them are savvy enough to *ahem* figure out/find a way around the mandatory OGA?
    1. Re:Office Update? What's that?? by daeg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Windows Update is being phased out and will be fully replaced with Microsoft Update, which will be expanded to provide updates for all Microsoft programs. Office updates will then become as routine as operating system ones.

  6. At least one person already switched by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    An anecdote sure, but the old slightly technical guy in my office (fits the stereotype to a T) downloaded OpenOffice after MS Office was disabled on his computer. He had already activated it and registered it, but still had to activate it again to use any of the programs. Not even just update it, to use it at all according to him.

    Last week he was a big Microsoft fan, this week he's researching his options.

  7. One more reason... by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...To never, ever upgrade from Office 97.

    Seriously... The more companies make the old or cracked versions of their products more useful than the latest-n'-greatest, the less right they have to whine about illegal copying and decreased sales.

    Whether we talk about DVDs or WGA or software that phones home, people just want to use what they own (and spare me the BS about licensing-vs-owning). Making that harder will eventually drive people to the competition, up to and including piracy.

    1. Re:One more reason... by pla · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are countless reason to upgrade from office 97

      "XML support" - noncompliant XML support, you mean.
      [anything]"powerpoint"[anything] - I do work on my PC, not create cute slideshows for management meetings.
      "more rows in excel" - Because 65k per worksheet has held me back so often?
      "outlook spam filtering" - N/A, I use a real email program - Elm.
      "sharepoint integration" - Give me a Wiki any day.
      "team editing" - The word "team" has no "I" in it. I like it that way.
      "task panes" - I know the shortcut keys. Give me my screen back!
      "ink support" - My pen has that too, and doesn't suck 150 watts.
      "infopath" - I just googled four entirely incompatible description of what that does, and still have no clue.
      "onenote" - See "ink".


      All these people that say "no reasons to upgrade from office 97" are the same who see no reason to upgrade from Win98 - either they've never tried anything better i.e. the new versions, or have such simple needs that basically anything would satisfy them (like MS works), that's why.

      Agreed completely. I use Office XP at work, and have yet to do anything in it that I can't do in Office 97. 10-year old versions of Word and Excel quite simply do what they should, they do it well, and MS hadn't gone too far down the path of bloatware at that point.

      As for XP vs 98, I personally came from the NT side of the family, so consider XP quite a lot better than 98 (even better than NT4, though I can't really say it has a whole lot more than Win2k).


      Have you even seen or tried Office 2007? Beta 2 is truly amazing.

      I don't want my productivity suite to amaze me. I just want it to sit there obediently doing nothing until I want it to work; Then I want it to do its thing and go away, offering me as little "help" as possible. I don't want it to offer to integrate my music collection with my writing style of the moment. I don't want it to take me to a new paradigm of productive collaboration. I don't want my core processes reengineered, I don't want animated help systems, and I don't want my computer to phone any home but my own!

  8. I shall call you - Mini-DRM by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Funny

    Come closer, little Microsoft Genuine Advantage. Don't worry, I won't hurt you.

    You're just so cute!

    I think I will call you, Mini-DRM, because you're unwanted, intrusive, and I keep tripping over you while trying to use my legitimately purchased WinVista PCs!

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  9. Up next... by DaveM753 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Coming soon:

    PC World is reporting that Microsoft's Notepad Genuine Advantage (NGA) program will require mandatory validation of Notepad.exe starting [insert happy date here]"

  10. Who needs Open Office when you've got piracy? by Channard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I work at a fairly large chain that sells, amongst other things, computers. None of these PCs come with Word or Office, rather they come with Works. I explain that Works may do what they want. I explain how much Office is, and sometimes I mention you can get Open Office for free, since I don't realistically think many people are going to lay out the cash in store for the software. Know what they say typically? 'I know someone who's got office, I can get them to copy it for free.' I used to mention product validation but now I just don't bother. It's just they know Word and Office and that's what they want, by hook or by crook.

  11. Bravo! by jcr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The more the Evil Empire irritates its users, the more opportunity arises for other vendors.

    Remember when using MS office was the path of least resistance?

    -jcr

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  12. Re:I want software piracy to stop, altogether, NOW by misleb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Indeed. It is like software companies don't understand that a little piracy supports their dominance. Just like giving away software to schools actually helps "indoctrinate" new users.

    -matthew

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  13. Re:microsoft update = windows update + office upda by Threni · · Score: 3, Funny

    > I'd like to thank Firefox 2.0 for allowing me to post here without spelling mistakes. Thanks to FF I can now speak learnedly.

    Well, at the very least with more deftly polished ignorance... ;)