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Congressman Calls for Arrest of Security Researcher

Christopher Soghoian writes "Yesterday, I published a tool that allows you to Create your own boarding pass for Northwest flights. This was an attempt to document the fragile and broken state of identity/security for domestic flights in the US. Today, Congressman Markey (D-Mass) has called for my arrest." From the ABC article: "'I don't want to help terrorists or help bad guys do bad things on airplanes, but what we have now is what we in the industry call security theater. It's made to make you think you're secure without actually making you secure,' Soghoian said. 'As a member of the academic research community, I consider this to be a public service.' Soghoian admits that he hasn't actually tried to use one of the boarding passes yet."

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  1. Ummm. The First Amendment? by mbstone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The prosecutors would never file a criminal case, because it would be quickly thrown out on First Amendment grounds? Wouldn't it?

    1. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by soft_guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The prosecutors would never file a criminal case, because it would be quickly thrown out on First Amendment grounds? Wouldn't it?

      With a supreme court with 7 republican appointees? I doubt it.

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    2. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Insightful
      > The prosecutors would never file a criminal case, because it would be quickly thrown out on First Amendment grounds? Wouldn't it?

      Much like the guy who looks at your boarding pass, you're trusting your life to something that's just a goddamn piece of paper.

    3. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by finkployd · · Score: 4, Funny

      Clearly you do not understand that we are at war. Anything that the Whitehouse defines as terrorism related or critical to our war effort is off limits to your constitutional whining. to suggest otherwise indicates that you clearly need some waterboarding, you filthy enemy combatant.

      Finkployd

    4. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by yorktown · · Score: 3, Informative
      Unfortunately, the Supreme Court takes a very loose view of what the Constitution says. For example, it considers building a hotel and condominiums as "public use" for the purposes of eminent domain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_L ondon

      Note that all four of the dissenting justices in the Kelo decision were appointed by Republicans.

    5. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The prosecutors would never file a criminal case, because it would be quickly thrown out on First Amendment grounds? Wouldn't it?
      Well, look at it like this: because he published this, he is both an enemy combatant and a terrorist. Therefore, he has no habeas corpus protection. Therefore, they can just come around, pick him up, and toss him in some cell somewhere, and never have to tell anyone.
    6. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'm really thinking that armed insurrection is going to be coming soon to the U.S....
      I doubt it... anyone who started organizing such a thing would be labeled an enemy combatant and disappeared. For this sort of mess, you're going to need some outside country to liberate you and bring democracy to your suffering land.
    7. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful
      A boarding pass isn't even supposed to be a security document. That's why you have to show your ID as well as your boarding pass, just to get the privelige of being x-rayed, bomb-sniffed, and patted down before being allowed into the secured area. If anybody thought boarding passes were supposed to enhance security, they wouldn't let you print your own.

      In other words, I think the professor's research is silly, and I think the congressman is equally silly for calling for his arrest.

    8. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by JWSmythe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ha!

          Have you noticed all the less than friendly laws passed recently?

          If they decide to do anything to him, they'll be shipping him off to a Southeastern Cuba vacation spot. It's a very exclusive resort, you can only show up by invitation (an invitation that you cannot refuse). How did the Eagles put it? "You can checkout any time you like, but you can never leave..."

          How did the summary of the "Military Commissions Act of 2006" go?

          1) The US Gov't doesn't like you
          2) They arrest you and hold you at places undisclosed, without access to a lawyer (or even a phone)
          3) They "encourage" you to confess. Although it cannot be "torture", it will be anything that isn't seen as torture by the current administration (are electrodes to the nads torture? Nah.)
          4) Once you've given your spontanious confession, it will be used against you.

          Now, on spontanious confessions. Most guys have spilled their guts to their girlfriends and/or wives, to get them to shut up (tactfully put, if I must say so myself). Now, what are you going to do against trained agents? You'll crumble in seconds. You'll confess to anything they tell you to, just to get you to shut up.

          For a person publishing information on the Internet, where all the bad guys can get a hold of it, you are quite likely one of the bad guys trying to get said information to them quickly. (I'd think an email would have been better, but this is our government we're talking about). Since the document is giving detailed information on circumventing national security (ha!), he's a terrorist.

          The war on terror will be won, it doesn't matter how many innocent (or mostly innocent) civilians get taken down with them.

          {sigh}

          What happened to the days where the boogy man was the red in a submarine just off shore with a stockpile of nukes?

          It's just a new boogy man, to make the government look like it's protecting the people. They never do ask, why are the bad guys screwing with us in the first place. Oh ya, because we've been screwing with them for decades.

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    9. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by maetenloch · · Score: 2, Informative

      They don't have to file a case. Congress did away with Habeas Corpus recently, so they can just 'disappear' you, like all the other terrorists...

      No, they didn't. Habeas corpus still applies to all U.S. citizens. Period.

      What congress did in the MCA was say that non-citizens being held in Guantanamo Bay or who have been declared enemy combatants cannot claim habeas corpus rights. Note that it's not clear that they would have had habeas corpus rights even before the MCA was passed. This was an attempt by Congress to clarify the law after the recent Supreme Court Hamdan ruling.

      As an aside the habeas corpus was suspended by President Lincoln during the civil war so there is precedent for doing this during wartime.

    10. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by iocat · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It's not even research. Anyone with five minutes and a copy of WORD could do the same thing. It doesn't make something that spoofs the system, it makes something that spoofs people who can't read barcodes (that is: everyone). It wouldn't scan correctly and let you get on the plane, it just is a form that adds your name and date to a rip off of the standard "print at home" boarding passes.

      This whole story is stupid. The fact that documents can be forged is not news, the fact that some guy made a website for doing it faster is not news, and the fact that security at airports is a giant joke to anyone dedicated to getting stuff past it is not news either.

      I put a lot more faith in my fellow passengers' desire to rip a terrorist to pieces with their bare hands on the plane once he or she announces themselves than I do in the ability of the TSA to effectively screen people. And it's not becuase the TSA are all idiots; thay have a tough job that they try to do very quickly -- if they really wanted to screen everything effectively, it would take hours to get through security.

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    11. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2, Funny

      "x-rayed, bomb-sniffed, and patted down"

      Oh shit, you mean that full body cavity search WASN'T part of the normal screening process?

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    12. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by jadavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There must be some hidden reason for the seemingly obvious misjudgment.

      More like a misconception. This country really needs more so-called conservative justices. By "conservative", I don't mean conservatives pushing their agendas from the bench (like O'Connor), I mean justices who follow the Constitution (like Scalia).

      It's no surprise that Kelo went the way it did. You're thinking is that "liberals are for the little guys, conservatives for business". But, in reality, having the power of central planning is crucial to the liberal agenda. Kelo was exactly what the liberals needed: the power for government officials to confiscate your personal property in the name of a "greater good" by calling it a "public purpose" (not public use, however, as the 5th Amendment says).

      Scalia, on the other hand, follows the Constitutional principle that the federal government can only regulate interstate commerce ("commerce among the states," as is in the Constitution). Using that principle, it would be Unconstitutional for the federal government to prohibit the growing of Marijuana on private property. States could still outlaw it, of course, but the feds couldn't do a thing. Does that sound "conservative" to you? Nope, but it is what the Constitution says.

      This is not about your party, the Constitution gets in the way of BOTH parties, but it's not for the parties, it's for the PEOPLE. So back the Constitution, because it's just in the way of the Democrats and the Republicans. It's time for both parties to face the hard truths: you can't execute unwarranted searchs (too bad, GOP). And Democrats: stop trying to control guns, unless you want to try to pass an Amendment. The Constitution says these things, plain and simple. Oh, and when you get a chance, read the 10th Amendment, too.

      Right now the idea that we are following the Constitution is a joke. We cling to a few scraps of the Bill of Rights, and ignore much of the rest of it. Congress "Authorized the use of force"?! What is that supposed to mean? What about a declaration of war? Meanwhile the Supreme Court passes arbitrary edicts fabricated out of thin air, like "privacy" meaning that it's Unconstitutional to ban abortions. I don't think it's a good idea to ban abortions, but why did 9 people make that decision for the entire country, when it's clearly a state issue?

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    13. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by tm2b · · Score: 2, Informative
      Scalia, on the other hand, follows the Constitutional principle that the federal government can only regulate interstate commerce ("commerce among the states," as is in the Constitution). Using that principle, it would be Unconstitutional for the federal government to prohibit the growing of Marijuana on private property. States could still outlaw it, of course, but the feds couldn't do a thing. Does that sound "conservative" to you? Nope, but it is what the Constitution says.
      I wish you weren't really wrong about this.

      Scalia wrote in his concurring opinion in Gonzales v. Raich that he believes that because growing marijuana on your private property has indirect consequences for inerstate commerce, no matter how diffuse, the US Federal government can restrict it. Only William H. Rehnquist, Sandra Day O'Connor and Clarence Thomas dissented from this view.

      Scalia's a fucking hypocrite.
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    14. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So, how would new money flow into the economy? Easy: Just as it is created from nothing now, it would be the same, but, instead of it being loaned into existence, and interest being charged, every Citizen would get a monthly stipend, a "living wage". EVERYONE, young, old, rich, poor - the details would have to be worked out, and it would take time, but, it CAN work, if we GROW UP, and accept our responsibilities as Citizens, and create the future that WE want, not that which is dictated to us by the rich.
      Jesus, don't you have a 5 year plan to work on Stalin?

      Handing out a "living wage" stipend just guarantees that none of the grunt work will ever get done in this country. A huge portion of the country would sit at home and subsist off their "allowance" while the garbage went un-collected, concrete blocks went un-loaded, and ditches remain un-dug. The value of money comes from our use of it as a placeholder for man-hours applied as work. The fed does not loan the gov't enough money to support the entire population anyway. I could continue, but your argument is so full of idiotic holes it'd actually be easier to point out where you're right and call the rest crap.
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    15. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Soooooo.... if I get my butt hauled off to Guantanamo, how do I get myself a court hearing so that I can present the evidence showing that I am a U.S. citizen and therefore entitled to Habeus Corpus?

      Face it. So long as we say, "Everyone has a right to habeus corpus, except for group X," then all the government needs to do is claim you're a member of group X to deny you access to the courts.

      Final note: We are not at war. Legally, we are not at war, because Congress has not declared war. Morally, we cannot declare a war that amounts to a war against anyone, anywhere who might be plotting violence against us. That leads directly to a state of eternal war, because we cannot even conceive of a future state of affairs that could be called "victorious."

      The U.S. knew the war was over when Lee signed his surrender at Appomattox. How will we know that the "global struggle against islamofascism" is at an end, that America is safe, and we can demand these so-called "war powers" back? Who is going to have to surrender their arms to make that day come? The answer, of course, is nobody. This "war" won't end with a resounding military victory or the fall of some great tyrant. It only ends when the people of the U.S. rise up and take back the liberties they traded for false security.

      November 7, people. Mark it on your calendars.

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    16. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by stinerman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Depending on your definition...

      Judicial activism to me is any decision which is pretty obviously wrong. See Kelo v. New London for an example of judicial activism. Thomas is an activist in that he believes that when Congress declares war, President Bush becomes King Bush. As far as I can tell, the Constitution does not grant the President any extra powers during times of war. He is simply Commander-in-Chief as he always has been. His activism has put him to the right of Scalia, specifically his dissenting opinion in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld in which he conveniently forgets that it is Congress who must suspend habeas corpus and not the King.

    17. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm gave at least one other person gets it.

      The recent act might, or might not, remove habeus from citizens or not. I've heard people say that it removes it from anyone who's classified a certain way by the administrtion, and that there's nothing in there stopping citizens from being classified that way. I've heard others argue that that's insane and the courts would never interpet it that way.

      Well...I want to know how the fuck the courts are supposed to rule on it. In fact, I'd like to know how they were supposed to rule on the fact you were a citizen now.

      We should NEVER, under ANY circumstances, make it legal to hold ANYONE, or any class of people, without access to the courts, because the second that happens we can merely assert that person X is in that category, and hold them, even if they clearly aren't, and they can't dispute it. Full stop.

      It doesn't matter if they can only hold non-citizens without access to a court if citizens can't get to court to demonstrate they are, in fact, citizens. Anyone who doesn't understand that simple logic is a complete fucking moron, period.

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    18. Re:Ummm. The First Amendment? by hacker · · Score: 2

      Ah, more sheep.

      You do realize that those same extremists, the ones that are using the Muslim religion, twisted to suit their needs, as a shield, are the same ones we trained, financed and helped defeat Russia when it tried to invade Afghanistan, right? Read your history books.

      Oh, and this puppet government we put into Iraq... we tried the same thing in Iran back in the 50's, and that's what led to the Iran Hostage Affair in the 70's. Again, look it up. These people are pissed off BECAUSE WE MADE THEM SO.

      That being said, the same "terr'ists" that were accused of flying those planes into buildings in New York have been verifiably spotted by several dozen people since that time. Check the news, google it, its out there. You've had the biggest wool sweater pulled over your eyes by the government you trust to protect you.

      You might want to do some reading on Operation Northwoods also, to get an idea of what our government is capable of, and has planned before in the past.

      And to summarize, WE ARE NOT AT WAR, its not just saying it that makes it so, its a legal treaty. It also provides some protections and restrictions on what we can and cannot do. The president is breaking the law, violating the Constition and various other moral and social issues with every step he makes.

      Don't protect him, just open your eyes and see what's really going on. Don't continue to be a sheep.

  2. This is nothing new.. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You could have just used an old boarding pass or copied an old one, or scanned and photoshopped an old boarding pass and changed the date/time.

    Or, gee, the terrorists could just have someone else buy a plane ticket, or buy it themselves, or buy for a different flight, whatever.

    The whole thing is ridiculous. It's ridiculous that this is thought to be some newly discovered weakness, and it's ridiculous that the powers that be are actually getting upset over it.

  3. Arrest? by Anonymous+brave+dude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, some guy said he should be arrested. Does that mean anything?

    1. Re:Arrest? by camperdave · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, it means that politicians are not interested in fixing the problems, but in hushing up the whistle blowers. It's the age old problem of killing the messenger.

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  4. Not only boarding passes... by GillBates0 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...it also amazes me immensely, how a simple 'printout' passes as an 'authentic' document in a variety of situations.

    The wide spread use of e-commerce has expedited the adoption of regular printouts as tickets, receipts, passes and other situations I can't think of right now.

    Are people so dumb as to not realize, how simple their official 'logos' are to create using an image processing software? Agreed, most of these 'receipts' merely provide a number, which acts as an 'index' in some internal database somewhere.

    But this guy does have a point. Merely admitting a person holding a an easily reproducible printout of an 'eticket' or boarding pass is just lame.

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  5. Newark by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Listening to the radio this morning, they said Newark airport staff failed 20 of 22 tests involving guns and bombs being smuggled past security by undercover agents. Airport "security" is a joke, and a distraction from real issues. When they stop taking away your toothpaste and maple syrup in the carry-on luggage, maybe then I'll take something about airports seriously again.

    1. Re:Newark by Macthorpe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are suffering from a frighteningly advanced case of "Two-tone perception disorder".

      Just because he doesn't want security taking away his toothpaste doesn't mean he advocates allowing firearms on a plane.

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    2. Re:Newark by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Informative

      Listening to the radio this morning, they said Newark airport staff failed 20 of 22 tests involving guns and bombs being smuggled past security by undercover agents.

      A few years ago I was in a security-check X-ray line. The guy ahead of me was such a "tester", smuggling a gun in his carrr-on bag. The gun was positioned against the side of the bag and sitting on its top surface, so the grip was up. It looked like a flattened-out bracelet on the X-ray.

      The screener didn't catch it. The guy showed the screener how she had flunked and what a gun in that position looked like.

      And I, along with a number of other people standing nearby, now know how to pack a gun in a carryon bag so it has a good chance of being missed in the X-ray screening.

      Fortunately, screening machines have improved since then. For instance, some of the modern ones measure various parameters of the objects' interaction with the X-rays and generate false-color images coded by the type of material, rather than a grey-scale transmission map of a single view angle. This hack would be much tougher to get away with on the newer machines.

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  6. Creating loopholes? by pjt33 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's astounding that Markey thinks that the website which prints fake boarding passes is creating a loophole. Politicians may not have a grasp of technology, but it only takes common sense to see that the loophole exists independently of any specifictool which creates the document to exploit it.

    1. Re:Creating loopholes? by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And oddly enough, despite our collective superiority, they are running the show while the most influential thing we can do is get modded +5 Insightful for insulting them on Slashdot.

      Something is amiss here.

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    2. Re:Creating loopholes? by quincunx55555 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the most influential thing we can do is get modded +5 Insightful for insulting them on Slashdot.

      How about flooding his Inbox with letters of reason? I came close to direct insults in my letter, but decided that it might be easier tossed out. Instead I added a way for him to redeem himself. If enough people do the same, he just might do it.

  7. but of course by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This whole homeland security mindset is not one of rationality. It is one of panic. There is an element of OMG - he's giving the badguys ideas. This call to arrest him is probably more along the lines of OMG - he's giving passengers the idea that they are unsafe. It isn't the issue wether they are unsafe or not, but making them feel that is going to have negative affects on the airline industry and get people jumpier. All in all, its going to make going on a plane that much less pleasant.


    "The Bush Administration must immediately act to investigate, apprehend those responsible, shut down the website, and warn airlines and aviation security officials to be on the look-out for fraudsters or terrorists trying to use fake boarding passes in an attempt to cheat their way through security and onto a plane," Markey said in a statement. "There are enough loopholes at the backdoor of our passenger airplanes from not scanning cargo for bombs; we should not tolerate any new loopholes making it easier for terrorists to get into the front door of a plane."


    One, shouldn't they already be on the lookout for frausters and terrorist.
    Two, this isn't a new loophole. It's been there a while folks.
  8. not likely by Quadraginta · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I doubt it. It's hard to see how faking a boarding pass can be considered some kind of "political speech," which is about the only kind of speech that has near-absolute protection under the First Amendment.

    Otherwise, you know, you couldn't be prosecuted for faking a bill of sale for a car, or a life insurance policy, or printing counterfeit currency, or most other forms of fraud that involve a printed document -- and you surely can.

    1. Re:not likely by kfg · · Score: 5, Informative

      Otherwise, you know, you couldn't be prosecuted for faking a bill of sale for a car, or a life insurance policy, or printing counterfeit currency, or most other forms of fraud that involve a printed document -- and you surely can.

      I just created a fake bill of sale for a car. I have committed no crime, because I have not proffered it as genuine to anybody.

      Fraud is a crime of intent.

      KFG

    2. Re:not likely by finkployd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, you can be prosecuted for attempting to pass these off as real, but not just printing them (well, in the case of money that may not be true). Obviously, this guy was not encouraging people to print them and break the law and threaten national security, he was attempting to make a point about how silly our pseudo-security efforts regarding airlines are. In the collective mind of the federal government, educating the public just how ineffective most security measures are is probably the more more dangerous scenario though.

      Finkployd

    3. Re:not likely by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Come on, security researchers, you know what the political climate is! Is there no other way to point out that something may be easily forged besides actually creating a tool to forge it!?

      No, because anything less will be dismissed as fearmongering.

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    4. Re:not likely by MoreBonez · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I doubt it. It's hard to see how faking a boarding pass can be considered some kind of "political speech," which is about the only kind of speech that has near-absolute protection under the First Amendment.
      But he's not faking a boarding pass. He published a tool that allows it to be done in order to make a point about aviation security, which is regulated by the government. Sounds like political speech to me.

      Whether that argument would hold up in court while he's being accused of helping terrorists is a different question.
    5. Re:not likely by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Passing a fake bill is illegal. Selling a printing press is not, even if that printing press can be used to print bills.... Telling people how to make a plate based on existing currency... it's the same as making any other kind of plate, so also not illegal in all likelihood.

      There isn't anything here that hasn't been obvious to every single person who reads Slashdot for years. It's all smoke and mirrors, and anyone with even a modest level of intelligence knows this, not just geeks. The only thing surprising here is that we have a Congressman who is so completely computer illiterate and clueless that he actually believes that the stuff in this article would be a surprise to anyone.

      You know, now that I think about it, given the quality of federal legislation in the past few years... it's not really that surprising after all. In fact, it explains a lot.

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    6. Re:not likely by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 2, Funny

      And you definitely don't want a pissed off r. Dre knocking on your front door.

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    7. Re:not likely by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Is there no other way to point out that something may be easily forged besides actually creating a tool to forge it!?

      Come on software security researchers -- is there no other way to demonstrate exploits in Internet Explorer than to actually create and release the exploit code?!

      I mean seriously -- isn't this the same question in a different wrapper?

    8. Re:not likely by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Conservative/Libertarian radio talk show host Neal Boortz ran into the same thing. (According to a story he regularly tells) He told some airline, Delta I think, that the security check in procedures were too lax. They ignored him. After he was fed up with that, he made a bet with the head of security, then dressed up like a pilot, got waved through a checkpoint, and once on a plane, he got out his cell phone and called the head of security to let him know he got through.

      Don't know what became of that. (This was long before 9/11.)

    9. Re:not likely by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem is that for every tale like yours, there are a thousand stories of people who found holes in a computer system, told the responsible party, and were promptly threatened with administrative action for "cracking". After all, if you weren't trying to break in, how did you stumble across the security hole to begin with?

      And as I said, we've all been saying this for years. It simply took somebody having the guts to make a really visible, easy-to-use exploit for the problem before anyone would listen. I would almost bet money that they still won't listen---that they'll try to make an example of this guy and get the website shut down, but that no discernible improvement in security will result from the incident. That's how government works. That's how it has always worked, and short of regular and complete turnover of nearly the entire set of elected officials, that is how it always will work. Why? Because politicians, like most people, are fundamentally incapable of admitting that they made a mistake and apologizing, and thus, the only way to fix the mistakes made by elected officials is to elect different officials on a regular and ongoing basis to ensure that every issue gets regularly examined by new eyes.

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    10. Re:not likely by FLEB · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bull. You make one that puts a trivial "SPECIMEN" or "FORGERY" watermark on it, or just replaces the NWA logo (and thus gets around any other forgery/trademark issues that may arise, as well). It would still be pretty obvious.

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    11. Re:not likely by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Informative

      True. But in both cases there would be be enough evidence to conclude that the reason for faking bill of sale, or for printing a boarding pass was because you had fraudulent intent. Ideally there would and should be a presumption of innocence, but I'd imagine that if you simply remained silent, the jury would have no qualms about finding you guilty of conspiracy to commit fraud.

    12. Re:not likely by grcumb · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Yes, normaly you can show the problem by just pointing it to any smart person. But you'll never make MS aknowledge the flaw without somebody exploiting it (and lots of times not even then). The situation is almost the same.

      Indeed. The very first MS Word macro virus was explicitly designed as a 'proof of concept' - in effect, a shot across the bows of the USS Microsoft. While many of us had already expressed serious concern long before this, MS refused to even acknowledge that there was an issue. Even this tangible evidence wasn't enough to garner a timely reaction from MS. It was months later when the software industry slowly ground its gears and began to accept that integrated scripting languages in one's documents could actually be a problem. To this day, the entire automation model is still a liability.

      I'm not singling out Microsoft as the cause of all this - WordPerfect had macros long before MS Office ever existed. I'm simply using this anecdote as one of the biggest, most obvious and most egregious examples of people pooh-poohing security concerns until the barbarians are already inside the gates [sic].

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    13. Re:not likely by Danse · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Unfortunately, there are enough weak brained person's around to get the guy for "intent" based on production of the code.

      I think the fact that he's telling everyone about it pretty much nullifies that argument. You don't broadcast to everyone that you can create fake tickets if you actually intend to use them.
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    14. Re:not likely by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Fraud is a crime of intent.
      Unfortunately, there are enough weak brained person's around to get the guy for "intent" based on production of the code.

      Fraud requires intent. But fraud is not the only possible crime here.

      In particular there are a lot of crimes that are designed to make it easier to prosecute fraud by criminalizing conduct that is preparation for fraud. That is how the CANSPAM act works, it does not criminalize spam but it does criminalize activities spammers typically engage in.

      The Secret Service agent who led the Shaddowcrew investigation told me that the charge they used most was not fraud or even having stolen credit card numbers. The charge that they used to break the case was possession of a device designed for the purpose of counterfeiting a financial instrument. Once a search of the suspects place turned up a machine for making credit cards a plea bargain was a foregone conclusion.

      Looks to me that it is not very difficult to claim that the Web site is a device that enables forgery of a financial instrument. Not only could the creator of the site be liable here, the hosting service might well be.

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    15. Re:not likely by psykocrime · · Score: 5, Informative

      I suspect very strongly that in the case of money, simply having the means to create counterfeit bills will probably land you in a whole heap of trouble.


      This is why every American should immediately go visit FIJA and learn the truth about serving on a jury. Hint: you can judge the law as well as the facts, and juries ARE the "last line of defense" against oppressive government / bad laws. See Jury Nullification and/or Peter Zenger for more.

      If I'm ever serving on a jury, I can guarantee you that I won't be voting to convict in any "victimless crime" situation, or anything where somebody is being charged with violating some bullshit law. Hung jury or acquittal, here we come.

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    16. Re:not likely by Quadraginta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, well, if you created it and kept in in your desk drawer, you're right. But have you forgotten that this fellow published his widget on the net, and allowed anybody at all access to it? That's a whole 'nother ball game.

      First of all, a jury may and often will draw powerful inferences about someone's intent from their actions. For example, if you have enough crack in your possession, the jury is allowed to decide -- and probably will decide -- that you have ipso facto the intent to distribute it, regardless of whether there is any other, more direct evidence of such intent. The government would not actually have to show that you actually sold some stuff. The fact that the jury can't think of any reason other than distribution for you to have that much stuff is good enough for a conviction.

      Now in this guy's putative case, the jury would be asked to infer from the fact that this guy published the widget that he had the intent to assist in the commission of a fraud, or some other crime. That he explicitly says he has no such intent, or that he says he's merely doing it to prove something about security, are statements they are entitled to regard with the same skepticism as a high-school English teacher might regard the statement of an online term-paper service that they are selling papers to his high-school students only for the purpose of checking their own work, ha ha. That the government might have no other evidence of his alleged intent might well be unimportant, if the jury can't think of any good reason for him to have published his thingy.

      I realize this kind of fuzzy and scarily capricious logic might make the canonical /. commenter's head explode, used as he is to dealing with the black-and-white Boolean certainties of computer programs. But that's the real world we live in.

      Now, secondly, surely we must remember that there are plenty of ways to commit a crime without any malevolent intent. Take involuntary manslaughter, for example: you are rebuilding your chimney and carelessly drop a brick on your neighbor's head. You didn't intend to kill him -- but you are going to the Big House nonetheless. You should have known that what you were doing was dangerous and taken appropriate precautions.

      Can this guy be nailed for being an accessory if his widget is used to commit a crime, on the grounds that he should have known that it probably would be so used? Something like negligent manslaughter, if his widget is used to help someone commit murder? I don't know, but maybe.

      Third, the principle of civil liability has no such well-defined limits as criminal liability, and I'm pretty sure he could be found liable if his widget was used to cause someone damage. Other people, who write books explaining how to murder people or the like, have somewhat successfully used a First Amendment defense, I believe. But that's different, because there's actual speech going on, the author of the book is making an explicit statement. What kind of statement does a fake boarding pass make? It has to be an implicit statement, and exactly what that statement is -- and whether it is protected speech -- is up to the jury to decide.

      Off the top of my head, I'd say if attractive young widow Jane Doe sues for $50 million because the fake boarding pass was used to bring down the airplane on which her husband flew, Mr. Security Consultant is screwed. People are like that. When you act like an antisocial narcissist jerk who doesn't give a hoot how your actions, legal or maybe-sorta-kinda-legal, affect your neighbors, the neighbors occasionally take the opportunity when its presented to cut your balls off.

  9. Well by finkployd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The emperor generally does not like having his nudity pointed out. Many in government know they are bit players in a pointless security theater, but react violently when told that. I suppose they like to feel that what they do is important and useful (read TSA agents, pretty much the entire DHS, etc). After all, how would you like it if your entire job consisted of going through a dance routine designed to make the clueless public feel as though the government is doing something to keep them safe?

    I suppose Congress is a bit different, I have no problem believing most of the genuinely are clueless and believe wholeheartedly that keeping lighters, tweezers, and bottles of water off airlines is critical to our national security. That also seem to really believe that torture and massive surveillance is an effective way to combat terrorism, further displaying a total lack if understanding. The Republicans (at least those loyal to the Whitehouse) are in a unique position where they have to pretend all of this fluff is important, but somehow selling the ports to Middle East companies, looking the other way on illegal aliens, and ignoring Bin Laden to focus on the mess we created in Iraq are perfectly acceptable.

    Finkployd

    1. Re:Well by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Seriously why? It really makes no difference. They differ on abortion, gay marriage, and gun control, that is about it.

      In actual fact they differ on rather a lot, most imporantly the issue of whether Congress should perform oversight of the executive or simply rubber stamp their demands.

      This is rather important if you as a US soldier sent to Iraq in insufficient force, lacking essential equipment and having your efforts sabotaged by a civilian leadership whose incompetence is only matched by their mendacity.

      Another important difference is that Republicans would like to phase out 'privatize' social security while Democrats beleive in it. The last Democratic President balanced the budget, the last three Republicans all burst it. Tax cuts mean nothing if expenditure runs out of control, the bills will have to be paid some day and taxes will be raised when they do.

      But most importantly of all there has never been a US administration that has shown such utter contempt for international law and in particular the laws of war. This is the first US administration to have embraced torture.

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  10. Called them up: talked security vs obscurity by geekotourist · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I called up their Washington DC office. The person who answered didn't know about this issue and the call for an arrest. I made three points:


    1. Arresting the messenger doesn't help security- it makes people more afraid to point out security holes.
    2. Security holes don't shrink by pretending they don't exist
    3. Just before elections isn't the best time to make people in Silicon Valley rethink democrats on security. Markey has usually been thoughtful on security- he should rethink his policy of calling for arresting the messenger.

  11. Impossible. by DAldredge · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is impossible. EVERYONE knows it is only those with a R after their name that wish to take away our rights and jail those they do not like.

  12. What Does This Have To Do With Anything? by hondo77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The 9/11 hijackers all had valid boarding passes. What do fake boarding passes have to do with security?

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    1. Re:What Does This Have To Do With Anything? by jcr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Valid boarding passes, passports, drivers' licenses, and credit cards.

      -jcr

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  13. Political spectrum by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Check out Edward Markey's voting record. He's one of the most liberal members of congress. His call to arrest this innocent security researcher further proves that the Democrats are authoritarians just like the Republicans. Only Greens and Libertarians appear to have any respect for free speech and other civil liberties.

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    1. Re:Political spectrum by NineNine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ha! You didn't actually think that the Republicans and Democrats were opponents, did you? C'mon.
       
          There's a very popular case study in business school about Coke and Pepsi, and how they're both very happy with approximately 49% of the market. People think they have a real "choice". Neither one has to worry about "monopolies". And, they already know each other. It's a fake battle to make people think that they actually have a choice, all the while, both parties are very happy with half of a FUCKING HUGE pie.
       
      Sound familiar?

    2. Re:Political spectrum by tkw954 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      There's a very popular case study in business school about Coke and Pepsi, and how they're both very happy with approximately 49% of the market. People think they have a real "choice". Neither one has to worry about "monopolies". And, they already know each other. It's a fake battle to make people think that they actually have a choice, all the while, both parties are very happy with half of a FUCKING HUGE pie.

      Another major part of the case study is that Coke and Pepsi have mutual marketing schemes of attacking each other exclusively. The ads imply that Pepsi is the only competitor worthy of Coke's attacks and everyone forgets the hundreds of other cola options that are essentially the same. I think there's probably a political parallel.

  14. Re:More useless window dressing? by eln · · Score: 2, Funny

    Because everyone knows terrorists aren't smart enough to buy a ticket before attempting to blow up the airport. Obviously.

  15. Prediction by FirstTimeCaller · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And what do you think the TSA's response to this will be? My money is that they decide to no longer allow people to print their own boarding passes. It will be paper ticket or nothing (and yes I'm aware that these can be forged too). So no more checkins at the gate -- stand in line along with those that have baggage to check. Just great.

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  16. This is actually quite brilliant by panaceaa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There IS brilliance behind his idea. Perhaps you didn't read it... but basically, you can fly on a fake identity without any screening of your actual identity.

    1) Go to 7-Eleven and buy a pre-paid credit card with cash using a fake name. This will be the name you fly under.
    2) Buy a ticket with this credit card.
    3) Print out an ADDITIONAL ticket for your real identity. He gives you an HTML form to do this.

    Now, show up at the airport. Go through security with the fake ticket... it will match your ID, but since it's not in any computer systems, they won't check to see if you're on the no-fly list. When at the gate, provide the ticket you actually bought. Nowadays you don't need an ID at the gates anymore -- just have your ticket scanned and hop on the plane!

    Now, I'm not exactly sure if you can check bags. If you have to go to the counter before security, they ask for your ID. But if you can avoid that (and you can now, as far as I know), you can fly on a fake identity.

  17. Well if all else fails... by aapold · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe you could use it to flee the country...

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  18. Failure to Legi$late by mpapet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Individuals simply cannot point out the obvious flaws in what passes for National Security. While we as individuals are supposed to have some kind of freedom in this way, we don't.

    Now, lets get to the reasons why this was the dumbest thing to do.

    1. It puts egg of the face of every big federal contractor muscling their way into the "homeland security" budget.

    2. We're at war with an enemy and tactical end that won't ever be defined. To maintain that heightened state of fear and social control, this individual must be criminalized. (he's helping the terrists after all.)

    3. No contractor has a product ready to replace it. It will be a tough day for the contractors that have to explain this to gov't types.

    4. It fires off a "something must be done" storm, that no politician really wants. They've got too much fund raising to do.

    5. Whistle blowing is contrary to the nation-state's goals. An individual this smart and not working for the State must be criminalized in order to maintain the heightened state of fear and sustain a compliant population.

    Never, and I mean never, should an individual take it upon themselves to publish this kind of information.

    Except if you want to be known as "notorious" and probably a felon in prison for a couple of administrations at least.

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  19. Time for a touch-up by bigdavesmith · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well...his arrest wouldn't be completely bad. It would give me something to cover my 'Free Kevin' bumper sticker with.

  20. arrest him by blueadept1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    THIS MAN SHOULD BE ARRESTED IMMEDIATELY. I mean, publishing this as closed source? I'd be surprised if someone replying to me didn't call for him to be immediately thrown on death row!

  21. Re:Another politician... by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 2, Interesting

    damn, and markey was the guy who tried to get real net neutrality in the whatchamacalit for us...

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  22. Reminds me of an old southwest.com "HOST" bug by thehossman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Background: my last name starts with the letters "Host"

    When southwest first started offering online checking, i discovered a small bug, when you got the the "Print your boarding pass" screen, with my name in all caps, the letters "HOST" were replaced with "southwest.com" ... so if your name was "Jim Hostenfeffer" it would appear on your boardingpass as "JIM southwest.comENFEFFER" ... I played with the site a little bit and found that it was a straight macro replacement bug of whatever domain name was used, so would say "JIM wWw.SOutHwesT.cOmENFEFFER" if that was the domain you typed into the URL bar.

    The first time it happened i thought it was ammusing, I emailed their tech support, saved the HTML to a file and edited it so it had my name again and would match my ID when i checked in.

    4 or 5 flights and at least 9 months later it was still happening and I spent a good 3 hours on the phone being transfered arround to different people trying ot get them to understand what the problem was and how fucking ridiculous it was that i had to constantly "hack" my boarding pass because of a bug they'd had for months.

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  23. Re:odd logic by inKubus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Get real. Although 2000 AMERICANS is a significant percentage of AMERICA, 2000 PEOPLE is not a significant percentage of HUMANITY. Even if terrorists were somehow able to construct a functional nuclear device, smuggle it into a major city and manage to detonate it and kill 100,000 people, it's still meaningless as far as humanity is concerned. A great tragedy, the country would be pretty numb, almost everyone would know someone who died and those people who were in city would have their lives unjustly ended early. BUT, humanity will go on. Even 10 bombs, or 100! Anyone who wants to make a nuclear bomb bad enough can get the info needed to build one. So why not publish it online so everyone knows how to make one, then the security guards actually know what one looks like, the person who finds it knows how it works and then more people can think of solutions to stop them.

    Instead, the current mindset is to limit the information, and therefore the people working to solve the problem, thus leading to no solutions being found. That is why this is a huge farce. Lawmakers are using a tragedy to not only take and spend money but to take away our freedoms and increase their own power. And in the end, as is shown here and will be continually shown TIME AND TIME AGAIN in the future, all of their so called "security measures" will prove to be just as easily bypassed.

    The real reason was to limit the number of people who get in to the boarding area so they need less employees to clean toilets and carpets, less wear on carpets, less seating required, etc. because all of those employees will have to be security checked. It's security compartmentalization. It doesn't MATTER if a small number people start printing out boarding passes to get behind the gates. They always could. It's just preventing the flocking of sheep in places where they have to be served, and thus creating a bigger security risk in the form of authorized employees. In addition, that means fewer faces for a facial recognition algorithm to search and of course a captive audience for any food services deep in the terminal.

    This information does not lower the security of the system. It was already very low. Just as bolt cutters will never be banned even though they can cut locks, this guy shouldn't be arrested because he is generating an HTML file. PEOPLE make terror, not tools. The more information people have, the less likely they are to fear the government, and thus the less likely they will want to cause insurrection. Information, like humanity, wants to be free. One might argue that the whole middle east is based on a problem of information--people there are affected by real-world conditions on the ground and they don't understand that it's not US (americans) that are causing those problems. It's their leaders and our leaders, keeping the real information from them. If everyone knew what everyone else was thinking, we'd know for sure that politicians and governments are all liars and are using us for our money and slave labor. As long as that's being done for the collective GOOD, so be it, but when it's used for the collective harm and benefits only those in power, you have what's called a Dictatorship. Which is not what America is supposed to be about.

    So next time they go spouting off about some stupid new security measure that seems to be for the collective good but doesn't really do anything, look to see who benefits. Then you'll know if it really was done to protect YOU or to protect some rich factory or security company owner.

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  24. In Soviet Russia... by raehl · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...Security researcher calls for arrest of congressman?

    Maybe not this one, but I'm sure one of the other 434 of them have done something.

  25. Re:Another politician... by Blue+Stone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > Another politician calling for action in places without even thinking.

    Oh, he's thinking - about how scoring a cheap point by making himself look 'tough' on people percievable as wrongdoers, will score him political points with an "Election Day drawing near".

    That's a politician's priority - exploiting the uninformed electorate by pushing buttons regardless of the truth.

    Politics is about number one, everything else is by the by.

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  26. How to deter suicide bombers: make 'em break law by Sloppy · · Score: 3, Funny

    If outlawing printing fake passes, is what it takes to keep terrorists from printing them, then we should do it. Terrorists wouldn't dare to break such a law, thus they won't be able to get boarding passes, thus they won't be able to fly, thus they won't be able to travel to my city, thus they won't be able to detonate a suicide bomb near me.

    I'm glad Markey has the sense to systematically think this threat though, and recommend a solution that will stop it at the source.

    And if anyone suggests that terrorist threats can only be countered by assuming that terrorists are willing to break TSA guidelines, then I suspect such a person of being an anarchist! This is a nation of laws!

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  27. Here's my letter to Markey by quincunx55555 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dear Honorable Edward Markey,

    I just read about your response to Christopher Soghoian's findings regarding online printable boarding passes being easily faked.

    I have to say that I am appalled at what I am reading. Mr. Soghoian has found something that could allow terrorist to continue to harm Americans. This technique may have already been used, or plan to be used, but now we know about it and can do something about it.

    Why? Because Mr. Soghoian was kind enough to expose this security flaw. Punishing someone that has put this much effort into giving us the knowledge to save more lives is asinine.

    As a Quality Assurance Engineer, I know the importance of finding, and reporting, flaws. This man should be commended, not condemned.

    I think it would be wise as a senior member of the Department for Homeland Security to withdraw your previous statements as you have gained "an insightful perspective" on this issue after responses such as mine.

    Scaring others into not telling us where our security flaws are will only lead to more opportunities for our enemies. How can you not immediately see this?

    Or should I put you on the list of government employees that pretend like they care, but would rather play political games instead?


    Sincerely,

    Quincunx (real name used in the real letter)


    I encourage others to write as well. If we let him know his error, give him an "out", then maybe bullshit like this won't happen again. Here's hoping.
    Here's the send-an-email part of Honorable Edward Markey's web page

  28. Tom Clancy, anyone? by AdmiralWeirdbeard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uh, so should they arrest Tom Clancy too? He wrote a book detailing how easily a single person could fly a plane into an important building (the capitol building during a presidential address to a joint session of congress, but whatever).
    So, if the litmus test has become, "Using mass media to point out ways that terrorists might strike = terrorism," then Mr. Clancy, as well as any number of Whitehouse Spokespeople are terrorists and should be put in Guantanamo right now. I mean, come on, they got up there at the briefings and said that people could smuggle bomb supplies on in component form in water bottles... and we can bring water bottles on board again... so... THEY'RE WITH THE TERRORISTS!!!!!

    Since this is patently absurd, maybe Mr. Windbag might want to slow his roll a bit, and consider using his brain before he opens his fucking hole.

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  29. works both ways by technicalandsocial · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't know of a security researcher that doesn't feel that some, if not most, congressmen should be arrested.

  30. Flash Update: The FBI is at The Door by klausner · · Score: 4, Informative

    Chris reports that the FBI is knocking on his door. The boarding pass generator is also (at least temporarily) down.

    1. Re:Flash Update: The FBI is at The Door by stefanb · · Score: 2, Informative

      FBI says they didn't arrest him, but various people have tried to get in touch with him since then, and were unable to.

    2. Re:Flash Update: The FBI is at The Door by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That 3:54 PM blog entry has itself changed...

      It originally said "Russel Coleman and Christopher E Allen from the FBI are at the door. Off to chat."

      Now it says "The FBI are at the door. Off to chat."

    3. Re:Flash Update: The FBI is at The Door by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      latest:
      The FBI visited.

      They handed me with a written order to remove the boarding pass generator. By the time we were somewhere with internet access, the website had already been taken down.

      I am now safe (and no longer with the FBI).

      Still trying to find a lawyer.....

      Edit:

      If you want to help, a good start would be to email Congressman Markey - who initially called for my arrest.
  31. Re:Another politician... by RLiegh · · Score: 3, Funny

    >Politics is about number one,
    Could fool me, mostly it smells like number two.

  32. Let Markey know what you think by psykocrime · · Score: 3, Informative

    I suggest that all concerned Slashdotters contact congressman Markey and let him know what you think.

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  33. Re:YANAL and you don't play one well on the net by finkployd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am not a lawyer but I deal with Internet crime issues, law enforcement, prosecutors on a regular basis.

    As do I, you have absolutely no idea who I am in real life and assumptions are unwarranted. Granted "successfully prosecuted" would have been a better term, since you can pretty much be prosecuted for anything as long as a judge can be found to go along with it.

    You are completely sidestepping the question of intent, but more important is the question of use. You are free to print up all the flight tickets and Amex travellers cheques you desire. The illegal action is attempting to pass them off as real. Again, US currency is a different story. Don't even talk about printing them, the secret service takes it very seriously.

    In this case we have a person who provided a php script to aid in the manufacture of forged plane tickets. This is completely outside of the realm of currency and into the area of homeland security (which is the only reason it is getting notice). In this case, the person's intent (which is clearly to raise awareness of major flaws in the system, not to blackmarket tickets to terrorists) would come into play. Obviously they may try to prosecute him, but any defense attorney with half a brain would shoot down the "terrorist" accusation. You also have to look into the political aspect of this. Clearly the feds are a bit pissed at him for pointing out major weaknesses in the air traffic system that they have spent billions trying to convince the public is secure (without actually doing anything meaningful or even competent to actually secure it). However, do you really think they would want to draw even more attention to this by going after him? The website will likely get shut down (if not already, I haven't checked) but I highly doubt he will face prosecution. Frankly, they actually want to pretend they care (or know anything) about security, thanking him would be in order. As I said elsewhere though, the emperor generally does not like his nudity pointed out. And as I am sure you well know, the law enforcement community does not like some of the more absurd aspects of what they do thrown in their face, so I'm sure there will be some saber rattling.

    Finkployd

  34. Re:YANAL and you don't play one well on the net by psykocrime · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The theory you seem to be proposing here might be worth a shot if you were a defense attorney defending a case. It is not a good idea to rely on such theories if you want to stay out of prison. Much better to consider the theories that a prosecutor might use and steer clear of possibly illegal activity.

    Steer clear of illegal activity???? HELL no! That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. As good citizens we have a responsibility to ignore and break bad laws...

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  35. Criminal Facilitation by westlake · · Score: 2, Informative
    I just created a fake bill of sale for a car. I have committed no crime, because I have not proffered it as genuine to anybody.
    Fraud is a crime of intent.

    I have written a program to fake a boarding pass and published it on the web. I am now in bigger trouble than if I had been charged with fraud:

    The charge might be framed as a from of criminal facilitation. The only intent required might be defined simply as a reckless disregard of the consequences of your actions.

    What follows is a model statute that suggsts the possibilites:

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    1002. Criminal Facilitation.

    (1) Offense. A person is guilty of criminal facilitation if he knowingly provides substantial assistance to a person intending to commit a felony, and that person, in fact, commits the crime contemplated, or a like or related felony, employing the assistance so provided. The ready lawful availability from others of the goods or services provided by a defendant is a factor to be considered in determining whether or not his assistance was substantial. This section does not apply to a person who is either expressly or by implication made not accountable by the statute defining the felony facilitated or related statutes.

    (2) Defense Precluded. Except as otherwise provided, it is no defense to a prosecution under this section that the person whose conduct the defendant facilitated has been acquitted, has not been prosecuted or convicted, has been convicted of a different offense, is immune from prosecution, or is otherwise not subject to justice. (3) Grading. Facilitation of a Class A felony is a Class C felony. Facilitation of a Class B or Class C felony is a Class A misdemeanor.

    (4) Jurisdiction. There is federal jurisdiction over an offense defined in this section when the felony facilitated is a federal felony Proposed New Federal Code

  36. Re:Hey idiot. by finkployd · · Score: 2, Informative

    The current White House is out there defending this country (and others) against terrorists.

    According to Pentagon and intelligence agency reports, they are succeeding primarily in making new ones.

    Finkployd