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OpenBSD 4.0 Released
Undeadly Halloween writes, "On October 18th, OpenBSD celebrated its 11th birthday and ten years of punctual biannual releases. Now it's time for OpenBSD 4.0, which includes tons of new drivers for wireless, network, and storage chips. Consider helping the project by buying the new goodies (CD set, t-shirt, poster, Audio CD). And discover what's new and what battles developers must face daily to support new hardware in the traditional interview featuring nearly 20 developers."
Good stuff. Hopefully some of those free drivers will get spread around to Linux as well.
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Whew... On the press release, under "New/extended platforms", it says:
"OpenBSD/armish"
I read that as OpenBSD/amish. You can imagine the visions that swirled through my head at that point.
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Cool ! can I run it on my toaster ?
This is not an automated signature. I type this in to the bottom of every message.
Are you sure about that?
d =Mozilla-search&va=Biannual+
which says biannual means "occurring twice a year"
compare with biennial
http://www.webster.com/dictionary/biennial+
"occurring every two years"
See for instance http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourcei
The whole documentation firestorm recently didn't seem to stop their progress. The issue remains, how to get the chip vendors to provide documentation that allows writing drivers for OpenBSD in this case, and all the other OSs. Maybe the pressure needs to come from a different side.
What would Broadcom or Intel do if Dell or Hewlett Packard told them to provide documentation for each of the chips in the laptops or desktops. If it became a business decision, no Dell laptops with a non-documented Broadcom chip, would it make Broadcom wake up? Or does this argument hit a brick wall, a) they are in bed together already and of one mind. or b) Dell/HP couldn't care less about what some minor segment of the market wants?
Still, I like the looks of OpenBSD 4.0 and my order is on its way.
See I knew that was wrong, because I was thinking my property taxes are due biannually, and I pay twice a year. I was like if thats the case then I've been pay like four times what I should be.
In a world of acronyms, the words are the real victims.
Name it, and stop trolling.
OpenBSD is a normal Unix system (most software compiles), supports FreeBSD and Linux binary emulation. Has Wine in ports, etc.
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how is a specialized OS a waste of resources??? If you don't use OpenBSD, that's fine by me.
whereas biweekly means both "occurring every two weeks" and "occurring twice a week".
Gotta love that precision.
From www.openbsd.org:
The last 10 years, every 6 month period has (without fail) resulted in an official OpenBSD release making it to the FTP servers. But CDs are also manufactured, which the project sells to continue our development goals.
So biannual it is.
I'm quite sure you're trolling, but anyway...
Could you please name what applications you need to run, and at which point they stop?
If it's not too much hardware dependant, maybe there is a way to run it on OpeBSD. It even has linux/freebsd/solaris/others binary compatibility (to some extent).
Post your problem and I'll try to help you (if you want, of course).
Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
is that it can run Linux executables!
presumably this contains the installer, encoded into audio Commodore 64-style?
Turns out a specialized OS for a small number of users often ends up being something that can't be easily replaced. PF has availability features no one outside of Cisco can match, and they can't match them for what it costs us to use OpenBSD for the job.
For example, our Internet connection at work is managed by OpenBSD. If I rebooted our firewall, no one would notice, because the backup would kick in and it would preserve state for everything, even pre-existing TCP connections. You could be streaming music and it wouldn't even skip. How can I do that with Linux again?
"I can't run any of the stuff I need to run under OpenBSD, so why the heck should I even care about it?"
Hm. Whenever I have that problem, I just download the Linux version and run it under binary emulation.
I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
And have you ever tried running the wine in ports... it's a version from 1999, which no longer works, because openbsd discontinued some required kernel-patches that were needed for it.
Has anyone actually gotten a straight answer from hardware vendors as to why they wont give out documentation? Can you build a modern x86 PC using only hardware that is fully supported by free software with no binary bits, blobs, non-redistributable firmware or missing functionality? Are there any hardware companies that DO give out documentation?
Not only that, but has anyone actually used CD-RWs (or even DVD+-RWs) since they were a novelty when the priginally came out?
T-Shirts - Hideous
CD Set - More toxic landfill
Posters - see t-shirts above
Audio - got to be kidding
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
Stupidest.
/. troll.
Response.
Ever.
You sir, are too moronic even for the typical
By research, I mean the novel approaches they take to acheive new functionality in firewalling, routing, hardware drivers, and cryptography. They also have a reputation for coding "correctness" in improving the basic BSD/Unix utilities that are then used by other projects. I tend to think of the OpenBSD project as an extremely productive research institution run on the cheap. My opinion is that they are probably on a level close to Sun and its multi-million dollar R&D in pumping out Unix inovations.
No, I don't run OpenBSD myself right now (I have in the past), because I currently have no compelling need of its unique features that would justify me moving away from the comfort of apt-get for binary updates. The source-only updates are my only real complaint about OpenBSD, and even that is because I'm basically too lazy to deal with it myself.
I think most people already know the reason when they look at nVidia and ATI. They're violating an assload of patents. Anymore I'm not sure that most of these companies care so much about giving away the specs, as giving away information for patent infringement. And lets face it, if you make almost ANYTHING you are probably infringing. Why incur an additional cost just for some crazy hobbyist programmers?
Is anyone running the SGI port? I just got a couple of decommissioned O2s from work, and I'm wondering what to install on them.
(I've already got one running Irix at home, so that's covered.)
--saint
If you had read the articles linked you'd know that OpenRCS is an almost completely compatible replacement for the GNU RCS, it is a clean reimplementation. The idea being security and reliability improvements. OpenCVS will more of the same once completed, and perhaps after it's features are all complete will add additional things, but until then it is seeking only to be a complete replacement for the GNU CVS.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
Fair enough... No Wine, then.
I doubt the great majority of Unix users make use of Wine, anyhow.
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I have a few CD-RWs and DVD-RWs that are used all the time for screeners that we watch in our divx DVD player. No point in wasting a good disc on that.
Trolling is a art,
Yes, OpenBSD was not created for one to run everything under it. While it won't give Linux a run for its money (not to mention Windows), OpenBSD has a very well delimited market niche. If you have a use for it, it's perfect. If not, it's not Use the best tool for the job
Oracle RDBMS
Cisco IP Communicator
Any brand of SQL based tools. Take your pick!
If you mod me down, I *will* introduce you to my sister!
Apple is BSD you dolt.
Reality is nothing but a collective hunch.
Theo being childishly abrasive and arrogant? You're kidding! Check out this masterpiece of social graces.
It is amazingly small until you build a custom OpenBSD install/boot cd with all the available install sets. Then it is about average-sized. http://theowned.org/news.php?item.2.2
Simple
WiFi cards. May run into issues with the FCC since they are are supposed to be not "easily modifiable by the end user".
Graphics cards. May use technology from another company that is under an NDA.
DMCA. Intel has released all the documentation for their graphics chips except for the MacroVision part.
And last but not least, cost. It costs money to release documentation. Frankly for most companies the Linux OpenBSD market isn't worth it.
The simple answer is no. If you build an all Intel system then you will be very close to your goal. If you want WiFi use a Proxim card.
You will be missing the ability to play DRM video but other than that you will be okay.
However the no binary bit is IMPOSSIBLE.
Sorry but unless you flash your Motherboard with a new BIOS and you do not have a single FPGA or other programmable logic chip on any board that you add to your system you will have some closed binary code somewhere, even if it is the in the microcontroller in your mouse and keyboards.
A totally open system doesn't currently exist. I don't see the big issue with some binary blobs. If they are just field upgradeable code for a PLD or an embedded cpu I don't see the problem.
Even such over the top zealots as Theo and RMS have never raged about the microcode in the CPU, the logic code in PLDs, or the masked code in microcontrollers.
So if you want a totally open system I suggest you get out your soldering iron. Otherwise pick the best compromise between open and function you can. As I said an Intel mother board with an Intel GPU is your best start.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
So why are you posting?
seriously, did you think you HAD to post on every slashdot topic or something?
why dont you go waste your time elsewhere, no one cares about your opinion on OpenBSD.
The phrase "more better" is acceptable English. suck it grammar Nazis
Thank you for those kind words, sir. I happen to work for Oracle, so any other database is not an option. You may find that hard to believe but...
If you mod me down, I *will* introduce you to my sister!
Just like biweekly, biannual encompasses both meanings, semiannual and biennial. You neglected to note that, in the definition for biannual linked above, biennial is a valid definition for biannual. So "biannual != semiannual" is an incorrect conclusion, as biannual may indeed mean every two years depending on the context.
I use CD-RWs on a fairly regular basis, for test burns and for shipping medium quantities of data to other people's houses. I rarely use my (one) DVD-RW but I do occasionally do a test burn on it. It's only a 1x so if I'm in a hurry it doesn't help much; my drive is 16x :P
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
and in his usual fashion of complete social ineptness i guess he did not even have the common decency to apologize for his own mistakes and shitty attitude?
:) oh, the narrowminded ones...
it's interesting how a single rotten apple can spoil an entire basket. i know a few business who simply because of his unfriendly "aura" displayed in situations of seeking support etc. chose another solution. the worst part about it is that theo and his equally minded minions usually go "yeah and? as if the openbsd community cares LOL", which really says everything about what kind of a user attitude an orginazation should NOT have.
anyone recall theo's raving discussions about how closed source vendors refuse to consider the little users as users, and refuse to help out? ironically that is the exactly same behaviour theo sports towards other people
I happen to work for Oracle, so any other database is not an option.
Well, I suppose you could just keep on complaining about how OpenBSD doesn't run Oracle or you could ring up good old Larry and get him to start supporting it. Either way, complaining about how it's not useful for your purposes is about as useful as someone complaining that they can't haul around two tons of construction equipment in a Prius. Right tool for the right job and all that. This isn't your tool.
Want to improve your Karma? Instead of "Post Anonymously", try the "Post Humously" option.
No shit Sherlock!
Why do you think I said it was not useful since it doesn't support any of the tools *I* need to run? geeezz Some people are just not very bright!
If you mod me down, I *will* introduce you to my sister!
Yuck.
CVS has already been replaced by subversion (SVN). CVS sucks horribly. Subversion only sucks a little bit.
I could see doing a BitKeeper or ClearCase reimplementation maybe. Let CVS pass into history.
OpenBSD/amish indeed...
Your comment is not very useful for me, so I'm replying just to let you know that it's not useful. Your reply was a specialized comment for an extremely small minority of readers. What a waste.
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You know... It would be fun to have a Theo x RMS deathmatch.
http://www.dieblinkenlights.com
They proudly announce a reimplementation of CVS.
Let me repeat: CVS. In 2006.
The CVS replacement is already here. We call it Subversion or SVN. It works like CVS, but with several nasty defects removed. Most of us are hoping that CVS will pass into history, to be remembered only on wikipedia.
If you want to reimplement a version control system, you could pick something non-free that doesn't already have a free clone. You could pick BitKeeper or ClearCase, neither of which are 100% sucky or obsolete.
So yes, "amish" fits well.
Just out of curiosity, how would you define that niche?
Please mod this post only if you think others should/n't read this. I have enough ego^H^H^Hkarma. Thanks!
Oh, you mean like how he got pissed off when certain companies started preinstalling OBSD on machines and then told their customers the BSD mailing list was their support forum, without even the courtesy to tell anyone on the list what they were in for?
I can't blame Theo at all for how he responds to greedy bastards like that.
Just like OS/2 could run Windows executables. That didn't save OS/2 and I doubt this will do much for OpenBSD
:-)) and are religious only when it comes to security, not regarding platforms. As a matter of fact they tell newcomers to develop for Linux and let their app run under emulation, that it is pretty unlikely that the newcomer needs the performance advantage of running natively and should go for a larger market instead.
That is a silly comparison. OS/2 tried to compete against Windows, OpenBSD does not try to compete against Linux. OpenBSD does its own thing and doesn't really care what others do. It helps to keep in mind that the OpenBSD folks are a little more mature (obviously referring to the community at large and excluding Theo
BTW, Linux emulation is more of a *BSD thing, not OpenBSD specific.
Dell, et al. HAVE documentation. They signed legally binding NDA's and contracts. There is serious money involved. I still don't get why everyone thinks the community should be the ones to wirte the drivers. Make a stable ABI and allow manufacturers to write the drivers as they see fit and protect their IP.
Other options is for OS people sacrifice any ability to work in their field and sign life-long NDA's and non-com's to gain acess to the info or have bounties to raise the millions to BUY the information and form business contacts with manufacturers. Personally I would like to see a fully functioning HAL and pull nearly all drivers out of the kernel and rewrite the ABI to use Windows drivers. We would never have an incompatibility again.
[RIAA] says its concern is artists. That's true, in just the sense that a cattle rancher is concerned about its cattle.
Oh, you mean like how he got pissed off when certain companies started preinstalling OBSD on machines and then told their customers the BSD mailing list was their support forum, without even the courtesy to tell anyone on the list what they were in for? I can't blame Theo at all for how he responds to greedy bastards like that.
Although I prefer *BSD to Linux for anything beyond consumer desktop type usage (ok, maybe embedded too), think Apple made a wise choice to go BSD rather than Linux, believe that the BSD license is truly free while the GPL is restrictive but benevolent, I have to say I have little sympathy for Theo. This is the trade-off you make by going BSD. Freedom means everything does not go your way, that others have the right to be a-holes. Suck it up, explain what is going on to the new users, and try to sell them CDs, t-shirts, etc. Take the glass is half full view and look at these newcomers as potential future customers, or at least that they are growing your platform's market, increasing the network effect, making it easier to bring others in who will be your customers.
no, that's not the situation i referred to, but in either case theo's stuck up attitude encompasses so much more than just something this small.
You work for Oracle, and you are complaining it doesn't work under OpenBSD? The fault is your companies, not OpenBSD's. Geez, have your company support the platform or stop bitching about something completely rediculous.
It's like someone working for a Winmodem manufacturer complaining they don't work well under *nix. Duh, write some supporting drivers since you are the one with the documentation and are the ones supporting the product. The documentation for the OS is already out there and available for anyone to use.
What an idiot.
If you don't like 'wasting' a CD for only 5MB, you can make your own install CD, it isn't that hard. There are a lot of instructions out there, and I've even done it from Windows using Nero (just use the floppy image to make a bootable CD, then add in the rest of the files from the ftp site on the disk, burn, and boot!)
This time, however, I decided to buy the release. I meant to for the past several releases, but this time I got off my ass and actually did it.
There are two types of people in the world: those who divide people into two types and those who don't.
lets set some definitions before we start talking.
;)
microcode: a binary piece that is loaded directly into the hardware
binary blob: a binary piece that is loaded directly into the kernel
microcode is fine. any OS on any arch can do that (provided it has the appropriate hardware, natch). you bought a kick ass RAID card? sweet. Vendor 'designed' it to run only on i386. you want to put it into your sparc box.
if the vendor requires a binary blob, you're screwed. so you take it back and get your money back.
if it requires microcode, your OS may already have a driver for it. add a few ntoh(), sprinkle with 32bit alignment, and you're in buisness. same driver works on a few dozen other archs than what the original vendor designed it for. glories of glories its fast and stable.
in binary blob land, the vendor made it work with a few dozen OSs, with strange little quirks all over the place. not the most stable, not the fastest.
with microcode, a developer can get a burr in his ass, and rewrite the entire driver. 10% the size, speed is now limited to how fast the platters move and how fast the PCI bus is. and also magically works with device independant code (read: bio, sensors, etc). oups, now it happens to be 64-bit clean, and can swap endians.
hmm. its offtopic from the parent post, but this is slashdot, not like anyone will notice
Is anyone using a hardware encryption accelerator with OpenBSD? I'm considering a purchase but finding good information has been somewhat problematic.
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Okay... Well I can see your point. Goodness knows that everybody on the planet runs Oracle! I mean it is right up their with Firefox...
It also doesn't run Solidworks, Halo, or Microsoft Word!
Yes so it doesn't run a high end commercial RDBMS! Good grief and you claim it is a niche operating system for that reason!
I don't use OpenBSD but good grief folks their are people that do and find it very useful. If you don't then don't use it but stop complaining about it!
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
I love OpenBSD, and now its time to build a couple of new, shiny pfsync boxes!
Congrats on a great new release!
You create your own reality - Leave mine to me.
I do understand. The thing is I don't think Theo does.
He was complaining about the WiFi chipset that the one laptop per child program was using. At run time it loads a binary file into the wifi chipset that gets executed on an arm core. He was using the term binary blob for that even though it was NOT being loaded into the kernel or even executing on the host CPU. I don't see the difference between this and the code being in flash except it is cheaper and will run faster out of ram than flash. So you see it is related to the idea of binary free hardware in relation to OpenBSD.
I still stand by my statement that if you want a somewhat modern open system your best bet is to use an Intel video card which means an Intel CPU.
See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
is a useless driver when the main focus of your OS is security. Remember the local root exploits in NVidia's drivers?
HAND.
They don't seem to offer any torrent downloads, which I think most people would find somewhat odd in this day and age. In addition, they don't even seem to publish MD5 and SHA1 checksums of the discs, which I personally think is especially odd due to the security focus of the OS.
Did you mount a military-grade, variable-focus MASER on an unlicensed artificial intelligence?
I thought port wine is better the older it is...
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
I mean, look at how all the vendors are giving docs to the friendly happy teletubby OSs right? Oh wait, they aren't. They treat their paying customers like shit. Just because you like being treated like shit, doesn't mean those who don't like it shouldn't do something about it. These companies have had plenty of friendly requests for docs. Only after lying for months does it get to the point where Theo resorts to publicly displaying these companies lies, and asking their customers to help request docs.
My attention span is only about 20 seconds and you probably already told me, but which divx player do you have?
I Am My Own Worst Enemy
Actually we have two
Trolling is a art,
For people wanting to make bootable sparc64 CDR(W)'s:
1. Make an ISO of the install files, with the appropriate structure (4.0/sparc64).
2. Use 4.0/sparc64/miniroot40.fs as the boot file with NetBSD's mksunbootcd, to modify the ISO you just made.
3. Burn the modified ISO and "boot cdrom" and install OpenBSD/sparc64 to your hearts content.
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
And Pufferix? Come on, wasn't there a Linux distro that got into major trouble over the -ix postfix? And that was without the visual representation of the cartoon character.
So, anyway, what I'm saying: get rid of the stale Puffy, get back to the roots with The Daemon.
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If you don't like 'wasting' a CD for only 5MB, you can make your own install CD, it isn't that hard. There are a lot of instructions out there, and I've even done it from Windows using Nero (just use the floppy image to make a bootable CD, then add in the rest of the files from the ftp site on the disk, burn, and boot!)
He wants to install on a VAX though. So he is much more limited with his options than i386.
BTW, if you are going to burn your own bootable i386 OpenBSD CD, you are better off using the cdrom40.fs as a 2.88MB bootable floppy image. The 1.44MB floppy images are whittled down, supporting (and lacking support) for different bits of hardware for machines which don't have a bootable CDROM drive or 2.88MB floppy drive. The 2.88MB cdrom40.fs on the other hand, supports more hardware in the one boot image.
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
He wants to install on a VAX though. So he is much more limited with his options than i386.
Considering that the OP inquired about the lack of CD boot support for VAX, but was still using a CD, I would guess that they were not actually installing on a VAX using the CD.
BTW, if you are going to burn your own bootable i386 OpenBSD CD, you are better off using the cdrom40.fs as a 2.88MB bootable floppy image.
True, I suppose I should have said "use cdrom40.fs," but I call it a floppy image since the installation notes refer to it as: "The i386 boot and installation 2.88MB floppy image"
There are two types of people in the world: those who divide people into two types and those who don't.
BTW, if you are going to burn your own bootable i386 OpenBSD CD, you are better off using the cdrom40.fs as a 2.88MB bootable floppy image.
True, I suppose I should have said "use cdrom40.fs," but I call it a floppy image since the installation notes refer to it as: "The i386 boot and installation 2.88MB floppy image"
I call it a floppy image too. (???)
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
True, I suppose I should have said "use cdrom40.fs," but I call it a floppy image since the installation notes refer to it as: "The i386 boot and installation 2.88MB floppy image"
Oh sorry, I thought you were refering to the floppy images which are named floppy?.fs.
I just noticed that you linked to instructions (unlike all the others I've seen), which use the cdrom??.fs.
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
I call it a floppy image too. (???)
Yeah, it is unfortunate that there is a need for so many different installation disk images for OpenBSD... I've had way too many useless arguments along these lines lately.
There are two types of people in the world: those who divide people into two types and those who don't.
Because that's the versioning number system selected when the project began. All version numbers do is help people differentiate the various releases of software, it could have been entirely alphabetical versioning if they wanted, E.A could work just as well as 4.0 I suppose, because it means just as much.
It's not like the numbering system is confusing, works better than the Linux one.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
It's not for donating you dipshit.
You should learn to read that evidence you found about Theo outing Intel and Sun. It's over them being lying dicks, not for not donating. Intel claims to support open source and yet doesn't actually do shit to really help open source, they give lip service. Theo doesn't like that, so he talks to them, they ignore him, then he fumes about it, he tries to get them to change their ways, they ignore him still, then he tells anyone who will listen how they do not cooperate, how they are not actually supporting open source. I don't see money being listed in there for Intel's outing, and Sun's is the same story. Perhaps if you bothered to read before typing, your trolls would work better.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
"Now that's all fine and dandy, but if Sun saved so much money why don't they help us out a little bit, so that we can make OpenSSH even better? " - Theo
namecalling and "if only you knew what you're talking about.." is your reply? If that's all you have please keep it where it belongs. You've just done the exact same thing Theo does.
Theo has outted Sun for not donating enough to his satisfaction. I find it interesting that Theo still doesn't state what is acceptable to him, i.e. what amount of money he will find acceptable in order to stop humilating them in public.
I understand Theo is mad that Sun has incorporated OpenSSH into Solaris, and not given Theo enough money to his liking. I understand Sun is a large company with more money than Theo, but you can't clain something is free and then demand money for it in a public forum. If Theo wants money, especially the fact he EXPECTS it, he should stop claiming it's free, charge what he wants for it, and quit whining.
I won't use OpenBSD simply because I don't want to be outted in a public forum for using what is advertised as a free OS that isn't really free. I've shown money is expected. It's either free for everyone or it isn't.
All chip docs suck, and it costs money to finish them and clean them up for public consumption. Vendors probably just don't see the business case.
That is Theo complaining that a company that profits from his and other people's efforts don't do anything to help. That's not a public shaming, that's Theo complaining about a company who flip-flops between being pro- or anti-open source all the while enjoying it's benefits never so much as making a public thank you.
Theo's real gripe is in Sun talking like it's pro-open source and never giving out proper documentation or assistance to his project. Sun gave some hardware running Solaris to the pkgsrc people so they could compile more packages for on Solaris - Sun's never even offered to give access to a Solaris machine for portable OpenSSH development.
Shock of shocks! He's mad at Intel for much the same thing, not so much for taking the source and shitting on him as saying they support and help open source, while shitting on him.
Theo outted Sun because they've been pissing him off for years, just look at the quality of all that Sparc III documentation, oh right, there is none.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
Well, there's certainly no better router/firewall software. Great failover software...
And really, any server you need highly secured (ProPolice, W^X, Systrace, etc.).
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IMHO, Theo's statement is not about demanding money, but a complain about how Sun shamelessly uses OpenSSH, but doesn't contribute back in any way. This attitude can be aligned with un-ethical business behavior, though this is not an obligation on the part of Sun to contribute back because of the free nature of the software.
Though Theo sounds morally preaching in many cases, I am perfectly fine with it - because morals' are the foundation stones of our society. Oh, well, now do I see someone arguing that "my morals might not be same as someone elses?"
I can't run any of the stuff I need to run under OpenBSD, so why the heck should I even care about it?
Why the heck should anyone here care about you or your needs? Mentally balanced people who don't find something meets their needs, THINK TO THEMSELVES, "this does not meet my needs" and then move on to find something which does. Meanwhile, the mentally ill rant in the streets about religion, as if people who already adhere to that-particular-brand-of-crazy need to be re-convinced or otherwise as if people who don't, actually should care. And then there are those who come into an Internet forum to tell the whole World that they don't like Pepsi.
Nobody bloody cares. Plenty of people on the other hand, care very much for OpenBSD.
It's a specialized OS for an extremely small minority of users. What a waste of resources...
Fanatastic perimeter security is not a "waste of resources". An OS with an excellent track record in security is not a "waste of resources". Web, mail, etc servers having gone through a decent security audit and running on that secure platform, is not a "waste of resources".
I use OpenBSD for many firewalls, internal and external servers and even for my own desktops. I love it, it does meet my needs, I donate and I am very grateful for the resources people put into it. It is worth people's consideration and if they find it does not meet their needs, they can just move on. Such is life.
They are not your resources, so why should you care? Do you use Linux? OpenSSH? There's a good chance that the OpenBSD people have contributed in a big way to something you use and you might not even know it.
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
Biannual actually means TWICE A YEAR so the poster was right. Semi-annual is also correct.
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I had the same conversation with someone a while ago and lost (assuming that it meant "every two years"). So now I remember what it means.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictio
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If the great grandparent post was asking for as statistical comparision of the two, it could have asked for one. It didn't. It asked if OpenRCS was just a new RCS under the BSD licence, I told them it's an almost, but not quite, complete reimplementation focused on not being a buggy peice of shite. That is the benefit of OpenRCS, that it's not GNU RCS.
I don't recall there being any claims of smaller memory footprint, nor of speed boosts in OpenRCS.
One way they are making it more secure by not using insecure coding methods, using secure functions like strlcpy, strlcat, etcetera, instead of memcpy and it's ilk. They are maintaining complete compatability in order to fully replace the GNU CVS, unlike other "replacements", like subversion.
See, those questions weren't actualy asked in the post I responded to, your inane response to me was even less useful than a fart in a windstorm. I responded to the part that could be answered, OpenRCS is the clean BSD implementation of RCS which is not yet entirely feature complete. Had the original poster read the article, they would have known that and I would not have had reason to respond to that portion of their questions.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
i haven't even had time to install 3.9 yet!
Can anyone recommend a good therapist for me.. er.. my schizophrenic network card?