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Foundation Commissions $50 Million Online Study

PreacherTom writes, "It's not a stretch to say that kids use the Internet to play World of Warcraft and to tweak their MySpace pages. Still, the MacArthur Foundation doesn't think that is quite specific enough. The private, grant-making institution is commissioning a $50 million, five-year study to investigate precisely how and why young people use the Net. $10 million in grants is going to to individuals and organizations to work on projects that stimulate research in digital media. Sign me up."

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  1. Odds are the results will be less than useful by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    since all of these technologies are relatively young and constantly changing, and any conclusions they may draw will likely be obsolete by the time they're published.

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    1. Re:Odds are the results will be less than useful by TheCache · · Score: 1

      Exactly! In 5 years the users and the reasons will be entirely different

    2. Re:Odds are the results will be less than useful by tehwebguy · · Score: 1

      here are a few things that most of the general 'net using public didn't really use five years ago:

      bit torrent
      youtube
      itunes
      digg
      blogs
      social networking

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    3. Re:Odds are the results will be less than useful by schnooka_boy · · Score: 1

      I disagree; although internet fads and games are always changing, the things that make the internet appealing are fairly constant. Using the internet to promote ideas didn't start or end with blogs. Online gaming communities didn't start or end with WoW. Weird internet humor didn't start or end with goatse.

  2. I'd settle for $25 million... by parasonic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...and I know that I wouldn't get it. But here's your sad end result: porn.

    Now if they would now divert their attention elsewhere with that $50 million. Case closed!

    1. Re:I'd settle for $25 million... by topham · · Score: 1


      Porn, and 'hookups'.

      So, sex, and more sex.

      how is this a surprise?

    2. Re:I'd settle for $25 million... by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      don't forget: warez.

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    3. Re:I'd settle for $25 million... by owlnation · · Score: 1

      and also indirectly sex too. For example - promote your band on Myspace - get laid... promote your video on YouTube thus look interesting - get laid.

  3. 5 Years?? by HeXetic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A *5-year long* study about the Internet? Come on, by the time the study is complete, it'll be irrelevant as peoples' internet usage habits will have changed.

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    1. Re:5 Years?? by krell · · Score: 1

      "A *5-year long* study about the Internet? Come on, by the time the study is complete, it'll be irrelevant as peoples' internet usage habits will have changed."

      That's awfully insightful. After all, the hottest "trends" in the net now are the myspace-like social sites, and amateur video (Youtube). These were hardly a blip on the radar 5 years ago. However, I don't think its scandalous, as if the government was wasting money on something like this study.

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    2. Re:5 Years?? by owlnation · · Score: 1

      People's habits changed? .... I think not. Five years ago the answer would have been porn. Today it is porn, and in five years time it will be porn. In five hundred years in whatever replaces the internet the answer will also be porn. In five thousand years... anyway, you get the point...

    3. Re:5 Years?? by HeXetic · · Score: 1

      But the porn has moved from small, dirty BBS systems, to small, creepy newsgroups, to small, creepy websites, to small, creepy videos on YouTube. I mean the study might as well conclude that people go on "the Internets in order to get entertainment and information", which is about as detailed and informative as a pre-bubble .com investor's prospectus.

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  4. Generator sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I think 'generator sites' and stuff like YTMND or Objection! would be useful to investigate because there's a big cross section of users and influences all coming together to create wild and varied (well... maybe just wild then) content.

  5. If only there was some way to know by joe_bruin · · Score: 2, Funny

    How can I tell if this is a trap?

    1. Re:If only there was some way to know by ronanbear · · Score: 2, Funny
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    2. Re:If only there was some way to know by aquabat · · Score: 1

      When in doubt, check the tagging beta tags.

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    3. Re:If only there was some way to know by Who235 · · Score: 1
      How can I tell if this is a trap?


      The same way you can tell if something is fud.

  6. Re:lkjp;jlk by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    Instead of focusing on the "old", they focus on the so called "young", yet we all are growing old and cannot do anything about it! Disappointed is me here. What the heck!

  7. I have the answer right here: by The+Real+Toad+King · · Score: 1

    Porn.

    1. Re:I have the answer right here: by 77Punker · · Score: 1

      I'm going to conduct some stimulating research with my digits about this "porn" you speak of. That's what they want, right?

  8. a 5 year study? by snero3 · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't the kids use the of internet have changed in that period of time?

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    1. Re:a 5 year study? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      More likely, the use of kids on the Internet will have changed by then.

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  9. Usage by hadhad69 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    #4 Plagiarism

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  10. give me $10 million by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    i'm a bargain:

    the answer is pr0n, WoW, and AIM

    heck, i'm a nice guy, i'll cut my fee in half: $5 million please

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  11. 5 Years? by MrCawfee · · Score: 1

    Odd that all of the things listed in the article's summary are less than 5 years old, will the results after 5 years even be realavent?

    (except for the "porn" answer).

  12. save your money by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    the internet is mostly a dump truck full of pr0n and Linux ISOs

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  13. how and why? by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

    it's the last wasteland.
    the final frontier.
    the wild west.

    youth uses the internet because they aren't told how and why to do so.

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  14. Oblig by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 1

    But the Internet isin't a truck you dump stuff on, it's a series of tubes!

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  15. Ask the experts by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Funny

    They're spending $50 million to do the same thing that spyware authors make money doing.

  16. It's a rip off. by oskay · · Score: 1

    I'd do it for only 25 million dollars.

  17. Fark, anyone? by Tavor · · Score: 1
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  18. OK kids, it's not funny anymore by sootman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can someone write a greasemonkey thingie so I never have to see 'itsatrap' again? And maybe strip out 'fud, notfud' as well?

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    1. Re:OK kids, it's not funny anymore by RandomPrecision · · Score: 1

      But you can't just block all instances of 'itsatrap' - what if the good Admiral really did want to warn you?

      For that matter, what if Ackbar himself is behind today?

  19. itsatrap by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 1

    A bit off topic, I know, but this itsatrap stuff is really getting out of hand. Every single story on the front page now has "itsatrap". I love Admiral Ackbar as much as the next guy, but there is such a thing as overdoing it.

  20. How to get rid of surplus cash by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
    Of course I did not RTFA, because that is not the point of /..

    If I ran a foundation that somehow had its mitts on $50M, I'd want to find some way to get some of that money into places where it was more accessable.

    Just like the SCO debacle could be interpreted as a way for Darl to pay his brother (SCO's main lawyer) hefty fees to strip SCO and get the cash into the family, I wonder whether a bit of sooping around here could uncover some similar interesting behaviour.

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    1. Re:How to get rid of surplus cash by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 1
      "Of course I did not RTFA, because that is not the point of /.."

      So why bother to post? You couldn't even be bothered to take the first step (RingTFA so you even know what you're talking about), so why bother taking the second step and posting on the subject? Is it because reading the article doesn't get you any attention from other posters, or just an innate desire to make a prat of yourself by talking out of your arse?

      Sorry if this is harsh, but why do people take the time to post complete unmitigated shit and then wave it off with "of course I didn't RTFA... Bygones!" like that somehow excuses their time-wasting public idiocy?

      Say it with me:
      • If I don't RTFA, I don't know what I'm talking about.
      • If I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm either posting something completely irrelevant - or worse, something persuasively plausable but completely wrong.
      • If I know I'm posting something completely irrelevant or plausably wrong when people are trying to have a useful discussion, I'm just getting in the way and hampering their efforts for fun.
      • If I'm getting in people's way and hampering their activities for fun, I'm more interested in demanding attention than in contributing meaningfully to the discussion.
      • If I'm more interested in demanding attention than learning and communicating with others, I'm a cock. Pure and simple.


      Sorry to round down on the OP in particular, but it happens a lot and there's really no excuse for it.

      Posting "I didn't RTFA" == Cocketry.

      "If I ran a foundation that somehow had its mitts on $50M, I'd want to find some way to get some of that money into places where it was more accessable."

      Then you're a thief. Not everyone is like that.

      "Just like the SCO debacle could be interpreted as a way for Darl to pay his brother (SCO's main lawyer) hefty fees to strip SCO and get the cash into the family, I wonder whether a bit of sooping around here could uncover some similar interesting behaviour."

      Except that, had you RTFA and not knee-jerk cock-posted you would have found out:

      1. It's the well-respected MacArthur Foundation, one of the biggest and most well-known philanthropic organisations in the USA, if not the world.
      2. They have assets in excess of 5 billion - when you're managing money like that even 50 million dollars is downgraded from "tempting target" to "pocket change".
      3. Surprise! The /. summary was wrong. It's not even a single $50 million study - instead $10 million goes to "individuals and organizations to work on projects that stimulate research in digital media or explore new approaches to educational innovation", and the remaining $40 million "will be put towards fulfilling the broader aim of connecting researchers, educators, youth, and practitioners in different disciplines"


      So...

      Didn't RTFA, or even the /. summary? Check.
      Posted half-baked baseless conspiracy theory? Check.
      Wasted people's time reading irrelevant ass-wash posted to Slashdot? Check.
      Slandered well-known philanthropic organisation dedicated solely to helping people? Check.
      Made cock of self in public? Check.

      So, y'know... ultimately... was it really worth it?
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  21. Finally! by schnooka_boy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Honestly, I'm surpsied it's taken this long. Internet use and culture is fascinating, I don't see how psychology can be such an enormous field and yet no one's begun a real effort analyze internet behavior. If you read the article, I'm certain they aren't just going to be analyzing what people are spending their time on (yeah, yeah, we all know teens just look at porn between emo bulletin posts to their Myspace). It should be more indepth then that. Of course, it's debatable if psychological findings really mean anything, but I'm happy to see that people are finding potential in internet psychology.

  22. Alright.. by l0cust · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are so many carbon copy (WOW,MySpace,AIM) comments, which will be repeated by some other clueless bums trying to act smart. So we can safely say that Adults use internet to try to find one amusing statement/quote and repeat it over and over again till everyone is sick of it, then they move on to the next one.

    Seriously, whats with the negative remarks. Don't you think just maybe some other purpose behind the study apart from which sites 'young' people like to visit and what they use to kill their bandwidth. If the question was more general "What do people use net for?" then the first comment would have been "Porn" - which although amusing and not entirely incorrect, would have been far from the complete picture.

    For example: Most of the people hate seeing ads (targeted or otherwise) but there is a reason why websites have come to realise that putting huge blinking Flash ads on the pages is a bad idea and have started to move away from the stupid idea (Google ads anyone?). Online usage research can be productive if put to good use.

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  23. 50 Million?!?!?! 5 years?!?!? by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    In 5 years, the Internet won't look anything like it does today, those children will be in different age groups, and the results won't be meaningful anymore. You can't spend 5 years to determine something that changes significantly every 1-3 years.

  24. Misleading Article Title by vmardian · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's not a five year study, it's a five year initiative TO STUDY online culture.

    "... the MacArthur Foundation will give $10 million in grants to individuals and organizations to work on projects that stimulate research in digital media or explore new approaches to educational innovation....The remaining $40 million will be put towards fulfilling the broader aim of connecting researchers, educators, youth, and practitioners in different disciplines (and across sectors). A digital knowledge hub is already in the works, so that teachers from around the world can compare, contrast, and share research, tools, and findings through open-source software and online forums."

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  25. Aiding the study by illuminatedwax · · Score: 1

    I'll submit my own observation: people use the internet to post "it's a trap" on anything they possibly can.

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  26. That'd only be for boys by melted · · Score: 1

    Girls don't browse porn.

    1. Re:That'd only be for boys by edremy · · Score: 1

      Of course not. They're all too busy posting photos of themselves kissing other girls on Myspace and stripping for their boyfriend on cam.

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    2. Re:That'd only be for boys by parasonic · · Score: 1

      Correct.

  27. The Myth of Porn by overtly_demure · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I suspect that the heyday of porn on the net is passed. Gone are the days when people posted galleries of every pornographic image known to man and damn the copyrights. It is all pay to play now, except for some rather nasty free and "amateur" stuff, and I seriously doubt that many teenagers are forking over for pornsite subscriptions.

    Of course, it depends on what you mean by "young people."

    What fraction of slashdot readers, male or female, have spent more than US$100 in the past 24 months on internet porn?

  28. DUH! who will tell some researcher he DLs via P2P? by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    Seriously.. given the rabid flailing and bandying of lawsuits by our friends in the media cartels, who is honestly going to answer "yes" to the question "do you download via P2P?" to anyone outside their known friends?

    I thought the data was already in on this.. 30% of bandwidth is being used by bit torrent alone.

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  29. While we're at it... by patio11 · · Score: 1

    ... strip out anything which incorporates a word from the title or the name of the editor. And, since words from the title (thank you, but I understood that "Vista delayed again" was related to "Vista" and "delayed" without the helpful Web2.0 crew digesting it for me), fud/notfud, and stupid jokes comprise the entire set of Slashdot tags, we can just optimize out the feature to save screen space.

  30. Back when I was a lad it used to take 30 minutes to download one 16 color pr0n pic... Now it takes only 10 minutes to download movies... I think the better question is what are the youth of today doing with all of the extra spare time?

  31. 5 years is to long by J05H · · Score: 1

    If they spend 5 years performing the study an entire "generation" of network users will change over in that time. Think how much the online experience has changed in 5 years. This is a study in watching user tastes and technology change.

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  32. No, the cat does not "got my tongue." by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1
    The private, grant-making institution is commissioning a $50 million, five-year study to investigate precisely how and why young people use the Net.


    MacArthur Foundation Trustee: You've spent $49.98 million so far, and your report is due tomorrow. What have you found out?

    Guy surfing MySpace and playing WoW: Ummmm...I'm almost done with it. I'll email it by COB tomorrow.

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  33. Even the WoW people agree by Sqweegee · · Score: 1
  34. Re:Odds are... by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    That was my first thought. In 5 years, about 80% of the data will be too antiquated to be of more than historical (or perhaps trendy (sic)) value.