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In Search of Stupidity

Ben Rothke writes "In Search of Stupidity gets its title from the classic, albeit infamous business book In Search of Excellence: Lessons from America's Best-Run Companies, by Tom Peters and Robert Waterman. In Search of Excellence quickly became a best-seller when it came out in 1988 and launched a new era of management consultants and business books. But in 2001, Peters admitted that he falsified the underlying data. Librarians have been slow to move the book to the fiction section." Read the rest of Ben's review. In Search of Stupidity: Over Twenty Years of High Tech Marketing Disasters, Second Edition author Merrill Chapman pages 373 publisher Apress rating 9 reviewer Ben Rothke ISBN 1590597214 summary Excellent analysis of hi-tech software marketing disasters

In Search of Stupidity is not a traditional business book; rather, it's a high-level analysis of marketing mistakes made by some of the biggest and most well-known high-tech companies over the last 20 years. The book contains numerous stories of somewhat smart companies that have made stupid marketing mistakes. The catastrophe is that these mistakes have led to the demise of many of these companies.

For those who have been in technology for a while, the book will be a somewhat nostalgic look at what has happened over the years from the world of high-tech marketing. Combined with Chapman's often hilarious observations, the book is a most enjoyable and fascinating read and is hard to put down once you start.

The first chapters of the book discuss the story and mythology around the origins of DOS. It details such luminaries as Digital Research, IBM, Microsoft, Bill Gates and Gary Kildall and more. The first myth about Microsoft is the presumption that the original contract with IBM for MS-DOS gave Microsoft an immediate and unfair advantage over its competitors. The reality is that over time, MS-DOS did indeed become Microsoft's cash cow; but it took the idiocy of Apple, IBM and others to make this happen.

The book also notes that throughout its history, Microsoft would consistently make the most of its competitor's mistakes and stupidity to its advantage. The book repeatedly notes that yes, Microsoft has not always been ethical or nice; but the reality is that such behavior has also been practiced by many in the software industry. Not that it rationalizes what Microsoft has done, and to a degree still does. But it is unfair to pinpoint Microsoft as the sole miscreant in the dirty software waters.

For the better part of the last decade, Microsoft has owned the desktop. But that was not always the case. In the early 1990's IBM was frantically working on its nascent OS/2 operating system, working alongside Microsoft as a trusted partner. IBM had the cash and talent to ensure that OS/2 would own the desktop. So why did OS/2 miserably fail? It was primarily IBM's own ineptitude in marketing OS/2 which led to Windows 95 taking over the desktop. The desktop was IBM's to lose and that is precisely what it did.

Microsoft at one point was working with IBM to develop OS/2 and many have written that Microsoft took advantage of IBM in that joint effort. But Chapman writes that complete and direct responsibility for the failure of OS/2 falls completely on IBM. He notes that it is difficult to find a marketing mistake around OS/2 that IBM did not make. At the time, the market was ready to accept almost any GUI and it was Microsoft that gave the people what they wanted. It was not so much that Microsoft beat IBM; rather that IBM imploded with OS/2 and Microsoft was there to pick up the pieces.

As to ownership of the desktop, Chapman notes that even with Microsoft's near endless budget, bullying tactics, and use of the FUD factor, those alone did not enable Microsoft to monopolize the desktop operating system market. Chapman notes that the following key factors, all which are unrelated and out of Microsoft's control had to take place in order for that to happen.

First, Xerox, the original inventor of the GUI had to never develop a clue about how to commercialize the groundbreaking product that came out of its own labs. Digital Research then had to blow off IBM when it came calling to them for an operating systems for the original IBM PC. IBM would then have to fall victim to Microsoft during its joint development of OS/2.

Finally, Apple would have to decide not to license the Macintosh operating system. That decision led Apple to have a 30% share of the desktop market in the early 1990's to its current irrelevant 4% share.

Chapman lists numerous secondary factors that also contributed to Microsoft's dominance. While the accepted wisdom is that Microsoft single-handedly cornered the desktop operating system market; the reality is that the ultimate success of Microsoft is as much a result of their near endless good luck combined with the recurring stupidity of its competition.

The stupidity of IBM and Apple gave the desktop market to Microsoft. Similarly, Novell gave the NOS market to them. In the mid-1990's, Novell owned the NOS market. Netware along with myriad CNE's (Certified Network Engineerswere the dominant force in network computing. When Windows NT version 3.1 shipped (it was really version 1.0), it was clearly inferior to Netware, as myriad product reviews stated.

Yet a few years later, Windows NT was the dominant NOS and Novell was struggling. While Netware was clearly superior to NT from a functionality perspective, the genius of Microsoft was that it knew better how to deal and communicate with its development community. Today, Netware is an irrelevant NOS and Novell has effectively abandoned it to primarily focus on its Linux strategy.

Exactly at the same time Microsoft was pushing Windows NT and wooing developers, Novell shutdown its third-party development center in Austin, TX. Novell also became preoccupied with its misguided purchase of WordPerfect. Novell developers were left hanging until Microsoft came calling with its promises of NT development and marketing support. Similarly, it was Novell failures that directly lead to the success of Windows NT.

Novell had myriad chances to decimate Windows, but it never stepped up to the plate. Novell's inexperienced marketing department thought that "if you built a great NOS, they would come." But come they did not, and leave Netware they did.

It is chapter 10 that will likely give Slashdot readers a fit. The author attempts to set straight additional myths around Microsoft: that their products are of poor quality, that they have only succeeded because of its market monopolies, that they are not innovative, and more. For those who want all of the details, they should read the book. But the authors notes for example that while Microsoft has been widely criticized for not being an innovative company, it is no different from companies such as Lotus, Borland, Xerox and more.

Most recently, when Microsoft found itself behind the 8-ball and lacking a browser, Internet Explorer was quickly developer and in time, surpassed the capability of Netscape Navigator. By 1998, most reviews were giving IE a higher rating than Navigator. Of course, Microsoft has more cash and developers than Netscape, but that alone was not what doomed them. Simultaneously, Netscape derailed itself in an attempt to completely rewrite Navigator in Java. This led them to the state where they would permanently fall behind Microsoft in the development race.

The book contains 12 chapters each with a different set of stupid marketing actions. Rather than simply being a Monday morning quarterback, chapter 14 contains an analysis of each scenario and what the respective companies should have done.

In Search of Stupidity: Over Twenty Years of High Tech Marketing Disasters is a most valuable book and is a wonderful read for anyone in the software industry. For those in sales and marketing, it is clearly required reading, and in fact, should be reread periodically. While In Search of Excellence turned out to be a fraud, In Search of Stupidity is genuine, and no names have been changed to protect the guilty.

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183 comments

  1. Executive Summary by Lord+Grey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hindsight is 20/20.

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    // Beyond Here Lie Dragons
    1. Re:Executive Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you might be on to something by connecting 'executives' with the 'search for stupidity'.

    2. Re:Executive Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Mad Dog is 20/20

    3. Re:Executive Summary by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 1

      Damn, I wished I had some mod points to mod this funny. As it is, it will prolly get modded off-topic and disappear.

      --
      "Eve of Destruction", it's not just for old hippies anymore...
    4. Re:Executive Summary by thesandbender · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think comment is insightful in that it only reinforces flawed approaches that this book is trying to discuss and resolve. The review itself states that sections of the book are likely to give /.'ers fits because it tries to dispel common viewpoints in the IT industry of Microsoft being an underhanded company with a grossly inferior product.

      I worked on games published for Microsoft ("Close Combat") and the level of effort that Microsoft put into the polishing and marketing of that game was astounding... especially when compared to work that the prior publishers of the V for Victory series had done.

      Microsoft is underhanded at times and their products are technically inferior to other solutions. But the reason that Microsoft is successful is because they understand their customers very, very well. I am not their customer... my parents are. The unwashed masses of /. are not their customers... corporations are. They're not going to make much money off us so they don't care about us... their focus and their concern is on those customers. Which is exactly what a business *should do* and how businesses succeed.

      The point of this book is that other companies did not do this and that is why they failed. It may be 20/20 hindsight but the message is a core fundamental of even basic business classes and the failures documented in this book just prove that the lessons were not always learned.

      (And I'm tied to the book in anyway and haven't worked for Microsoft in any manner for a loong time.)

    5. Re:Executive Summary by mblase · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hindsight is 20/20.

      And those who do not learn from their history are doomed to repeat it.

    6. Re:Executive Summary by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

      Holy Crap! I had that stupid eye operation, and I'm still not 20/20 - but I'm glad to see that clown Peters rightfully assigned to the category of media creations (move on over, H. Ross Perot, G. Gordon Liddy, John Lilly, and a host of others)....

    7. Re:Executive Summary by plumby · · Score: 1

      A phrase often said by managers who ignored all the warnings and dismissed the people giving them as "negative".

      Of course you are sometimes hit by things that you couldn't expect, or should have been able to ignore. But in my experience it's the blatantly obvious, but overlooked/ignored (the "elephant under the carpet") that's going to get you 9 times out of 10.

    8. Re:Executive Summary by jc42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The review itself states that sections of the book are likely to give /.'ers fits because it tries to dispel common viewpoints in the IT industry of Microsoft being an underhanded company with a grossly inferior product.

      Well, I understood the review as saying that this is quite true, but it doesn't much matter because the other companies are also underhanded and have inferior products. They just aren't as good at underhanded marketing of inferior products as Microsoft is.

      Did I read the review wrong?

      (And linux really hasn't been much of a competitor mostly because it wasn't intended as a competitor in the underhanded, inferior-product market. It was designed to be useful to people who know what they're doing and want good tools for their jobs. Linux seems to do rather well in that admittedly small market. What's disappointing is that part of the linux crowd keeps trying to compete in the Microsoft/IBM market, leading them to adopt underhanded tactics and inferior [GUI] tools. I don't want something that mimics the MS/IBM approach, dammit; I want quality tools. ;-)

      --
      Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
    9. Re:Executive Summary by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      Hindsight is 20/20.

      And those who do not learn from their history are doomed to repeat it.

      Also, a stitch in time saves nine, there's many a mickle makes a muckle, and kind words butter no parsnips.
      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    10. Re:Executive Summary by rickchapman · · Score: 1

      No kidding. And refusing to learn from past mistakes is eternal. rick chapman (The Author)

    11. Re:Executive Summary by theodorejanderson · · Score: 1

      Rick - your book rocks! thanx!

  2. In Search of Stupidity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The author could get ALL his resources and facts here at Slashdot ;)

    1. Re: In Search of Stupidity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree completely. Its getting to the point where there is nothing to learn from slashdot anymore. Most of the topics are political or religious rants that sound like Air America.

  3. The entire book is on Microsoft? by shidarin'ou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because if not, the amount of time you spend on the first chapter, and ignore the rest, seems a little disproportionate and uninformative.

    1. Re:The entire book is on Microsoft? by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Not only that, he's not really viewing the one chapter he talks about; he's merely summarizing it.

      This barely qualifies as a review.

    2. Re:The entire book is on Microsoft? by theodorejanderson · · Score: 1

      >>This barely qualifies as a review.

      Hell, this is a review!

      Is there an RFC on how to write a review?

    3. Re:The entire book is on Microsoft? by theodorejanderson · · Score: 1

      Well, i think the insight that it is not that microsoft is so smart- rather that its competition is so stupid, insipid and unable to market their ware... i think that is informative.

  4. It shouldn't be just a chapter... by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...there should be an entire twenty-volume set of all the mistakes that Novell have made and continue to make.

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    Tubby or not tubby. Fat is the question
    1. Re:It shouldn't be just a chapter... by sjwest · · Score: 1

      Perhaps Steve Balmer might send him copy with drawing of a chair and the words ha ha you sucka

    2. Re:It shouldn't be just a chapter... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Since the "review" (summary, if you ask me, and they are different things) didn't mention it, I suppose it wasn't listed as a primary reason, but there is one very very important Novell piece left out. They latched onto IPX as a better LAN protocol. They are right, but they refused to natively support IP long after everyone wanted IP for Internet connectivity. Given the choice of IP only and NT or IP and IPX with Novell, and people didn't want the trouble of IPX. If they had embraced IP earlier, they'd have had a fighting chance.

  5. catastrophe? by stoolpigeon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The catastrophe is that these mistakes have led to the demise of many of these companies.
     
    Maybe this is a fine point, but I can think of a lot of catastrophes in the last 20 years and none of them has to do with the demise of any company. I know it may be traumatic for those involved but catastrophe seems a bit strong. And from what I gather from the review, most of the companies mentioned still exist, though they are possibly not as dominant as they once were.

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    It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
    1. Re:catastrophe? by Bent+Mind · · Score: 1

      The catastrophe is that these mistakes have led to the demise of many of these companies. And from what I gather from the review, most of the companies mentioned still exist,

      If you want see some truly catastrophic marketing mistakes, take a look at the history of Atari. They had a very innovative computer at one time. However, all that is left of them is the brand name.

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    2. Re:catastrophe? by theodorejanderson · · Score: 1

      IBM hires thousands and spends millions to develop OS/2. It is a complete failure. Hell- if that ain't a catastrophe, I dont know what is.

    3. Re:catastrophe? by rickchapman · · Score: 1

      That is a good point. The book doesn't claim these catastrophes destroyed these companies, though in some cases it did. MicroPro (WordStar), Ashton-Tate (dBase) are examples of companies destroyed by key marketing mistakes. Borland and Novell were knocked off their dominant perches. MS is slowly becoming IBM and suffering from senescence; over time, the impact of this will be seen.

      But EVERY mistake discussed was painful, hurt, and was COMPLETELY avoidable.

      rick chapman
      (the author)
      www.insearchofstupidity.com

    4. Re:catastrophe? by mink · · Score: 1

      OS/2 was not a complete failure. Have you never had a bank account or used an ATM. Sure in the last few years more and more have been moved off of OS/2 but to say it was a complete failure is like saying our space program never left the ground.

      --
      Well I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years doctor, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.
  6. I Live In Washington DC... by saudadelinux · · Score: 0

    ...and I don't have to look very far.

    --
    I didn't think the house band in Hell would play this badly.
  7. If the review is accurate, the book is revisionist by brokeninside · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Assertion: It was primarily IBM's own ineptitude in marketing OS/2 which led to Windows 95 taking over the desktop.

    Microsoft already had almost complete control over the desktop before Windows 95 was released. Some of this was due to IBM's mistakes with OS/2. Some of this was due to Microsoft's predatory licensing practices. But the single largest reason has nothing to do with either of these factors. IBM's competitors didn't want to subsidize IBM's hardware division by preloading software from it's software division. I remember an interview with the CEO of Compaq. When asked about the possibility of preloading OS/2, he laughed and said something like, ``yeah, right, I'm going to preload the software of a direct competitor on my machines.''

    IBM's biggest blunders with OS/2 didn't come until after Windows 95. The ``OS/2 obliterates my software'' campaign was certainly a disaster. So was the gamble that IBM's PSP division made on blowing almost the entire OS/2 v.4 budget on a the stillborn port of OS/2 to the PowerPC chip. But as large as these mistakes were, they were made too late in the game to affect the outcome.

  8. In search of...stupidity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In this episode:

    We examine the drawings on the Nasca plains, but the people who drew them must have been really stupid, because they can only been seen from UFOs.

    How some idiot crashed his boat on top of Mt. Ararat.

    Can Kirlian photography reveal auras of electro-magnetic dumbness?

    1. Re:In search of...stupidity by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      Can Kirlian photography reveal auras of electro-magnetic dumbness?

      Sure. Anyone who deliberately has their photograph taken using the kirlian method in an attempt to see their aura qualifies. As such, 99% of kirlian pictures of humans reveal just this very thing.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  9. Search? by jay2003 · · Score: 1

    Do we really need to search for stupdity in high-tech marketing? I can't seem to escape those Microsoft Office dionsaur ads.

    1. Re:Search? by theodorejanderson · · Score: 1

      The book I think focuses are more pervasive mistakes. Not bad ad campaigns.

  10. they've obviously been by wardk · · Score: 1

    reading my posts

  11. You can stop looking by Thansal · · Score: 1

    /em stands up

    I am right here, you don't have to keep on looking. Sorry if finding me delayed anythign important. I will still be here latter if now is not a good time. /em sits back down

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    Do Or Do Not, There Is No Spoon, There Is Only Zuul. Everything in the above post is probably opinion.
    1. Re:You can stop looking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Angle brackets + HTML = &lt; (<), &gt; (>).

    2. Re:You can stop looking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is em?

    3. Re:You can stop looking by Thansal · · Score: 1

      it is from a number of old mmos as well as irc systems, /em, /me, /emote, /e all simply removed the ":" after your name in a chat field. I hope you were joking, but still.

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      Do Or Do Not, There Is No Spoon, There Is Only Zuul. Everything in the above post is probably opinion.
  12. In terms of marketing blunder's... by nani+popoki · · Score: 4, Informative

    who can top Osborne's "If you think this model is great, just wait to see what we'll have for you next year!"?

    1. Re:In terms of marketing blunder's... by ENOENT · · Score: 1

      Yup, that was my first thought, too.

      There's nothing like the sensation of shooting yourself in the foot.

      --
      That's "Mr. Soulless Automaton" to you, Bub.
  13. Other chapters? by Josh+Lindenmuth · · Score: 1

    Has anyone else read this book? Is this primarily focused on Apple/IBM/Novell/Microsoft, or are there other 'stupid' business decisions included as well. I'd be surprised if the AOL/TimeWarner merger wasn't included. Even decisions such as Gateway's cow themed retail stores probably rank high enough to mention. Unfortunately neither B&N or Amazon have a Look Inside or even an Index posted for this book.

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    Huh? Don't mind me, I'm just the new guy.
    1. Re:Other chapters? by siberian · · Score: 1

      I read this book awhile back and while it was interesting it is highly focused on the timespan when the author was 'in the industry' and leaves out vast swathes of recent history.

      Still, its a good and entertaining read. You also get to pull out some truisms that really can help your day to day life if your in product management, engineering management or deal with marketing folks on a regular basis. I find myself regularly applying some of the lessons I took out of it.

      Quick read, you can eat it in a few hours so no huge loss if you don't like it :)

    2. Re:Other chapters? by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 1

      What GEC did in the late '90s puts many other company cockups very much into perspective.

      Google for "gec disaster marconi weinstock" and you'll get a selection of articles, including the Telegraph's obituary of Lord Weinstock.

  14. Apple never had a 30% share by HBI · · Score: 2, Informative

    10%? Maybe. But never much above that after the mid-80s. 5-10% was the estimate range back in the early 90s and it has since declined.

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    HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
  15. Sounds like a pretty accurate book to me.... by King_TJ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a big OS/2 supporter back in its heyday, I can attest to the fact that IBM shot itself in the foot, repeatedly, in their half-baked attempts to sell that product. Any idea that Microsoft "killed" OS/2 is nothing but revisionist history B.S.

    OS/2 had a fanatical base of users who really wanted to see it take over. Quite a few open source utilities and apps were ported over, in attempts to bolster its "credibility" as a powerful OS. Entire magazines were published just for it. It had IRC channels devoted to it. And I remember the excitement OS/2 users had every time a commercial app would finally get native 32-bit support for it. But IBM did such boneheaded maneuvers as selling a whole line of PCs that came preloaded with *Windows* and weren't even certified as compatible with OS/2. They barely even tried to sell their last version of Warp, v4.0 "Merlin" - despite it having numerous innovative features that could have easily been marketed to the public as good reasons to buy it. (The integration of IBM's voice recognition and dictation system with the OS was years ahead of the competition, for example.)

    The OS/2 community tried to keep on supporting the OS long after IBM gave up on it, in fact. But eventually, it just became pointless to try to run a "dead" OS with no driver support for any new peripherals, etc.

    I will say though, in defense of Apple, they doggedly stuck to their original business model - which was really the model *every* brand of computer was sold with, before MS-DOS and "IBM compatible" became the "industry standard". If they caved in and started selling PC clones, or licensed out MacOS back then, where would they be today? You can say their unwillingness to change forced them down to 5% sales vs. 30% or more ... but I'd argue that if they did change, they might well be out of the computer hardware market completely today. (Asking Apple to drop their "proprietary" business model is essentially the same as asking them to become a software vendor, iPods not withstanding.)

    1. Re:Sounds like a pretty accurate book to me.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no question that IBM blew it with OS/2. I would personally still love to have the Workplace Shell on whatever OS I'm running.

      One of the things that I see missing in the history, though, is that Microsoft wasn't finishing their parts of OS/2 during the IBM-Microsoft OS/2 era, telling all the big software companies (such as Lotus) that OS/2 was the future, yet in their back room, they were working on Windows, and the software to run on Windows. So, when Windows came out, nobody else had their software ready. Excel and Word would have never overtaken 123 and WordPerfect if the'd been on the same playing field.

    2. Re:Sounds like a pretty accurate book to me.... by Jawood · · Score: 3, Informative
      One of the things that I see missing in the history, though, is that Microsoft wasn't finishing their parts of OS/2 during the IBM-Microsoft OS/2 era,...

      I was one of the hundreds of OS/2 developers at IBM. I can tell you this, at the top of every source module for OS/2, there was this statement "Copyright 1987, Microsoft Corporation."

      Yes, MS wrote OS/2 - except for the networking layer and the installation programs - the worst parts of OS/2. When I mentioned that the worst parts of OS/2 were written by IBM, I got may ass chewed out royally!!!

      My point? IBM dropped the ball on OS/2. Period. Their management decided that the company's resources would be best spent on developing their software on Wondows.

      Don't ask me, ask Gerstner.

    3. Re:Sounds like a pretty accurate book to me.... by sphealey · · Score: 3, Interesting
      From the OP: === Microsoft at one point was working with IBM to develop OS/2 and many have written that Microsoft took advantage of IBM in that joint effort. But Chapman writes that complete and direct responsibility for the failure of OS/2 falls completely on IBM. He notes that it is difficult to find a marketing mistake around OS/2 that IBM did not make. ===
      Even worse: Jerry Pournelle, who at that point was still an influential person in the PC industry, documented the mistakes IBM was making with OS/2 in real time. And discussed them one-on-one with the top dudes and dudettes on IBM's OS/2 team. And documented their lack of responses to the problems in real time.

      And IBM still didn't listen.

      sPh

    4. Re:Sounds like a pretty accurate book to me.... by asuffield · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They barely even tried to sell their last version of Warp, v4.0 "Merlin" - despite it having numerous innovative features that could have easily been marketed to the public as good reasons to buy it.


      The irony here is that the last version of Warp was "Aurora", the should-have-been-v5.0 version that was finally released, in a blaze of no publicity at all, as "OS/2 Warp Server for e-Business". They tried so hard not to sell it that you haven't even heard of it - the policy was to tell nobody but the large enterprise customers about its existence. They'd sell it to you if you asked, but you had to know about it first. It also contained numerous new features over Merlin, that could have been marketed to the public (like the JFS filesystem, AIX-style LVM, a full NFS implementation, etc). Nothing that we're not used to now, but this was in 1999.
    5. Re:Sounds like a pretty accurate book to me.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      As a big OS/2 supporter back in its heyday, I can attest to the fact that IBM shot itself in the foot, repeatedly, in their half-baked attempts to sell that product.

      The operative word here is "sell". I have on two occasions put pen to paper and written long letters to technical companies that were obviously in the process of doing something that was simply idiotic in the face of competition from Microsoft. Naturally, both missives were ignored. One was to IBM, written in the first few days after Win95 came out. It came down to: "give OS/2 away; if you do that, you stand a good chance of winning the desktop; if you insist on selling it, Microsoft is going to eat your lunch". I still maintain that giving OS/2 was the best strategy IBM could have followed as soon as Win95 hit the streets.

    6. Re:Sounds like a pretty accurate book to me.... by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 1

      I remember the marketing for OS/2 Warp. If I hadn't already known that it was an OS, I'd have concluded they were selling a web browser.

      --
      Quattuor res in hoc mundo sanctae sunt: libri, liberi, libertas et liberalitas.
    7. Re:Sounds like a pretty accurate book to me.... by FirstTimeCaller · · Score: 1

      As I recall, there was a point when both Windows (3.x) and OS/2 were concurrently being developed by Microsoft. This caused confusion in the development community -- which OS should they target? Microsoft responded by saying "develop for Windows" and we will provide a migration tool to OS/2. This, I think, is were Microsoft really out-maneuvered IBM. They successfully captured the developer community and convinced them to target Windows (partly by providing superior tools and documentation). Once more (or better performing) applications were available for Windows, it was game-over for OS/2.

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    8. Re:Sounds like a pretty accurate book to me.... by igb · · Score: 1
      I seem to recall that one key difference was that Microsoft gave away (near enough) development kits for Windows, reckoning that lots of applications was good for them. Whereas IBM sold development kits as a profit centre, figuring that developers should pay for the privilege.

      Certainly today, MSDN can't possibly cover its costs directly. But Microsoft's great asset is all the ISVs who develop to their API. I didn't follow Apple `back in the day', but I get the impression that their current supportive attitude to developers, and the fact that they ship compilers and debuggers with every machine they sell, is a new posture. If that's true, and Microsoft stood alone in supporting a software ecosystem around their product then, and the very words choke me as I type them, that might be quite a major reason for their success.

      ian

    9. Re:Sounds like a pretty accurate book to me.... by theodorejanderson · · Score: 1

      You know what they said about IBM in selling os/2 ---

      So bad that IBM could not give away pardons in a prison.

    10. Re:Sounds like a pretty accurate book to me.... by HBI · · Score: 1

      Reverse Hungarian notwithstanding, programming for Windows is far easier than understanding the classic MacOS via the "Inside Macintosh" series. It was originally designed to be programmed in Pascal.

      Yes, seriously. Writing to it in C is a little obtuse.

      Microsoft charged money for the SDK for Windows same as everyone else did at the time, so giving away SDKs is a red herring. It happened at certain places and times, but it's not a big reason for Windows' success.

      As for developer-friendliness, this is a new concept at Microsoft also. I have to say, however, that Microsoft's extensive line of compilers and support of BASIC when no one else wanted to, pretty much guaranteed them a base of developers. Borland helped too with Turbo Pascal/C which were better than the Microsoft equivalents (most of the time with C, all of the time with Pascal), and were only ported halfheartedly to the Macintosh (TP for the Mac which wasn't very good and not very long-lasting).

      The point is that Microsoft people were royal jerks in 1989, just as they are now. In case you were wondering. There was no magic friendliness. And they were no more available than IBM people were.

      --
      HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
  16. Look at slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "In Search of Stupidity" => just look at Shashdot and the search is complete.

  17. Platform/Technology limited competitor options by EMB+Numbers · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the Article: "Apple would have to decide not to license the Macintosh operating system."

    Apple and others did a lot of stupid things to give Microsoft the desktop. Few would claim the Windows 3.1, the first popular version, was even half as good as Mac OS at the time. However, Microsoft got Windows 3.1 to work on the VGA graphics "IBM Compatible" computers that people already owned. Furthermore, Windows 3.1 could run almost all of the DOS software that people already had.

    The Mac OS GUI features required much more than the CGA and VGA graphics (over an ISA bus) that typical PCs had at the time. Even if Apple had licensed Mac OS in 1990, nobody could have gotten it working on the craptastic PCs available at the time.

    Microsoft leveraged its existing DOS dominance into its Windows dominance and leverage the fact the PC hardware sucked too much to run anything better at the time. Apple no doubt thought that anyone attempting to implement a GUI would at least have direct frame buffer access the way the Mac did in 1984. PCs did not have it in 1991.

    1. Re:Platform/Technology limited competitor options by iocat · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I remember being at company in the early 1990s which was developing products for Windows 3.0, OS/2 and Macintosh. OS/2... There was just no one steering that boat. Windows 3.0... I didn't believe, until we got our retail copies, that it would ship with those horrid fonts. It was sooo not ready for prime time. Apple... they just fucking hated us, because we weren't Apple, or Claris, or Apple. From my perspective, they pretty much did everything they could to dissuade us from developing our products for the Mac.

      Then Windows 3.1 came out, and even though it was *well* below the Mac in quality and ease of use, I can easily see why the suits made the decision to support it and forgoe the Mac and OS/2.

      Of course, the irony is that not much later, Microsoft developed a very similar product to theirs and ate their lunch! But they'd have failed if they'd supported OS/2 or the Mac instead of Windows. The climate was such that you had to be kind of stupid *not* to support MS, given the environment at the time, regardless of the fact that almost anything (GEOS for PC, anyone?) had better quality than Windows, espcially in the 3.0 days.

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  18. Stupidity found! by maynard · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Stupidity found! by jpardey · · Score: 1

      Oh, that is truly beautiful.

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  19. 1982 by behindthewall · · Score: 5, Informative

    "In Search of Excellence" came out in 1982, not 1988 as indicated in this topic's summary. I remember having to deal with it in 1984.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Search_Of_Excellen ce

    1. Re:1982 by EVil+Lawyer · · Score: 1

      Was it translated into newspeak?

    2. Re:1982 by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      So, is this the same book I remember? Isn't there a chapter on the ISOE profiled companies 10-20 years down the road? As I recall, that was the most damning part: the companies held up as examples stagnated and fell from grace, or simply didn't grow or innovate.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  20. Re:If the review is accurate, the book is revision by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > IBM's biggest blunders with OS/2 didn't come until after Windows 95

    That wasn't a blunder by IBM. That was a deliberate marketing decision by Microsoft. Windows 95 was released about six months ahead of schedule. One month it was going to be due in summer, the next month it was to be on store shelves by Christmas.

    The way that I see it:

    Microsoft blindsided IBM and doomed the computer industry with Windows 95. Microsoft and IBM were in a race for years to see who would own the desktop. Microsoft deduced, correctly, that whatever OS people picked up next, no matter what it was or who it came from, would become the default OS simply because people, after paying $100 for one, weren't going to shell out another $100 even if the first was completely broken. Windows 95, known in beta as Chicago, was falling progressively further and further behind schedule and it looked like IBM and OS/2 were going to sweep the field.

    So what did MS do? They took a horrific beta edition, Chicago, slapped enough duct tape and bubblegum on it so that it would work, with massive amounts of coaxing, on just over half of the high volume production systems being shipped, and put it on the store shelves about six months before it had been scheduled to be released. They didn't make a better product but they did get the first product onto the shelves. Coupling it with a monstrosity of an EULA and the budding resistance from stores to refund money for unuseable (but opened) software Microsoft managed to turn the entire American population into a free army of beta testers and socially engineered them to accept sub-par software as a norm. The majority of American consumers didn't know any better, knew nothing about the acceptable levels of software quality, and when Win95 broke repeatedly they, lemminglike, kept calling customer support centers until someone would promise to ship them a floppy or a CD with the necessary patches for their hardware.

    How did IBM lose? They stuck to schedule and attempted to uphold their standards of software functionality before releasing it onto the public.

    What did the computer industry gain? A .com boom-bust, the triumph of x86 architecture over m68k architecture (not really a gain but that's the way things went), the enormous expansion and mangling of years and years of carefully planned and thought out standards, and an "all sales final" reputation of a seedy used car salesman. Well, it made a few millionaires too but you'd never guess it by looking at the horrendously tangled mess that is the internet and the industry these days.

    Thank you Microsoft for bringing all of the stray cats and dogs from the whole neighborhood to play/poop/pee in the carefully planned sandbox that we had.

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  21. Save $3.50 by buying the book at Amazon.com! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Barnes and Noble is selling this book for $19.99, but Amazon.com is only selling it for $16.49!

    Save yourself $3.50 by buying the book here: In Search of Stupidity. That's a total savings of 17.51%!

  22. Re:If the review is accurate, the book is revision by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1

    I'd agree - I was around developing software at the time of OS/2 Warp, Win95 etc, and my general impression was that Windows 3.1x ownz0red the desktop. With OS/2, I always felt that IBM had to come up with a really good reason why you'd want to run it instead of Windows...and they never did (to be fair, I was running NT 3.1/3.5 around that time, so it was harder to convince me). It always seemed like a 'different' GUI rather than a better one. And the 'it runs all your Windows apps' adverts just made me think, "So does Windows...why do I want OS/2 again?"

    And I'm a techie - if that was my opinion, it should be obvious why the general population went for whatever was the next version of Windows.

  23. As another OS/2 supporter from "back in the day" by StressGuy · · Score: 1

    This thing was clearly superior to Windows, and had a fanatical user base. Yet, IBM pretty much left us with no support. There idea of porting an app to OS/2 was to slap a sticker on a Win 3.1 app saying it will run in emulation on OS/2.

    Eventually, I had to realize that, if the developers of OS/2 won't support it, there is not point to me doing so. I un-installed it, put Windows back on, boxed up what I had of OS/2 Warp, and threw the whole shebang in the nearest dumpster.

    They really had something there...and they just let it die.

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    A goal is a dream with a deadline
  24. And also... by mustafap · · Score: 1

    Many ATM ( cash machines ) are powered by OS2 - even today. NCR, at least.

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  25. Questionable points by david_thornley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In reading the review, I was struck by several points.

    Microsoft did have a big advantage when the first IBM PCs were shipped: MS-DOS, under the name of PC-DOS, was shipped by default. You could get (IIRC) CP/M-86 or the UCSD p-system, but most people had no reason to do so. I would think that Microsoft did have a big advantage with the first contract, contrary to what the reviewer says.

    Nor is the account of how Microsoft won the desktop at all correct. By the time there was a Windows 95, Microsoft had already won. Windows 3.1 and Windows for Workgroups were standard, and the question at the companies I knew was whether to upgrade to 95 or NT. IBM's OS/2 was not so much a competitor as a challenger. The real story is back when Windows first came out, and was competing with several other desktops for the IBM PC and clones. They were all crappy products then, including Windows, but Windows came out on top. Why? The reviewer does not suggest that the book has much to say about this.

    The view of Apple seems odd, to say the least. I don't think the Macintosh ever had near 30% of the marketshare. If we're talking about the Apple II, that went the way of the other major systems when the IBM PC came out, and there was nothing Apple could do about it. Anything that wasn't strictly compatible with the IBM PC was a fringe market at best. Radio Shack's Tandy 2000 was a superior product, with its own versions of the major software of the time, and it tanked. The major problem Apple had was not that it didn't license its software, but that its software was not IBM-compatible. Licensing the Macintosh OS might have helped, or it might have hurt, but it couldn't have given Apple a 30% market share. This gives me the feeling that the author doesn't understand the issues, and just makes assumptions as to what would work.

    In short, this is not a convincing review. It suggests that the book is inaccurate, glosses over important issues, and makes unwarranted assumptions when convenient.

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    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    1. Re:Questionable points by oliderid · · Score: 1

      Another questionnable point is the IBM's failure with the PS/2 architecture. OS/2 was branded as the OS for this new architecture (which amongst other things tried to replace the ISA BUS).

      IBM tried to force Taiwan manufacturers to adopt its new architecture. There was a small technologic gain over the ISA bus, but nothing that impressive and they failed miserably.

    2. Re:Questionable points by rajpatel32 · · Score: 0

      The review never stated that Microsoft was on a completely even playing field.

      The main point is that IBM and others could have easily beaten MSFT. But they did not.

      Yes MSFT had advantages. But those advantages alone did not give them their monopoly.

    3. Re:Questionable points by rickchapman · · Score: 1

      +++Microsoft did have a big advantage when the first IBM PCs were shipped: MS-DOS, under the name of PC-DOS, was shipped by default. You could get (IIRC) CP/M-86 or the UCSD p-system, but most people had no reason to do so. I would think that Microsoft did have a big advantage with the first contract, contrary to what the reviewer says.+++

      They did have a big advantage, but it was due to the bad decision making if G. Kildall (who, BTW, made the pricing decision on CPM /86, not IBM. In the book).

      +++or is the account of how Microsoft won the desktop at all correct. By the time there was a Windows 95, Microsoft had already won. Windows 3.1 and Windows for Workgroups were standard+++

      The book has it right. OS/2 was crushed by Windows 3.0. The final implosion came in the wake of the Windows 95 release.

      +++The view of Apple seems odd, to say the least. I don't think the Macintosh ever had near 30% of the marketshare. If we're talking about the Apple II, that went the way of the other major systems when the IBM PC came out, and there was nothing Apple could do about it.+++

      The book never says Macintosh had 30%; Apple had 30%. And there WAS something Apple could have done about it; read about the sorry history of the Apple III.

      rick chapman
      (the author)
      www.insearchofstupidity.com

    4. Re:Questionable points by theodorejanderson · · Score: 1

      >>>The book never says Macintosh had 30%; Apple had 30%.

      Help me out.
      Isn't Macintosh and Apple synonymous?

    5. Re:Questionable points by rickchapman · · Score: 1

      +++Help me out.
      Isn't Macintosh and Apple synonymous?+++

      No. The Apple II in all its various incarnations provided the bulk of the company's revenues until well into the late 80s.

      One of the reasons I wrote ISOS is to provide the historical perspective questions like this demonstrate the industry lacks. From Chapter 13 of In Search of Stupidity: Over 20 Years of High-Tech:

      The first and most valuable thing most companies can do to avoidacting stupidly is to encourage all employees to learn about the history of the industry in which they compete. The great thing about
      history (hindsight) is it is full of facts from which you can learn things,
      such as how to avoid positioning disasters and what to do if a PR roof
      falls in on you, while many strategic business books are often full of suppositions
      and untested conjectures. Now please, don't waste everyone's
      time with an attempt to wiggle out of your required reading by telling us
      about the "subjectivity" of history; we're all aware that people can differ
      about the significance of different events. If different writers and
      historians have different opinions about the facts, read them all, and
      make up your own mind from an informed viewpoint.

      In the spirit of the advice just given, the following sections include
      my particular lists of "must" and "recommended" reading. Most of
      these books focus on high tech, but I've thrown in a couple of tomes
      from other industries to stretch your brain and provide you with some
      cross-cultural diversity. Feel free to criticize this lineup and add and subtract
      to it as you see fit. These lists are not that long, and when you are
      done reading these or similar books, you will have a well-rounded
      understanding of the forces that shape the high-tech industry, a truly
      invaluable asset. Both lists are in alphabetical order.

      rick chapman
      (the author)
      www.insearchofstupidity.com

  26. Chicago was vaporware for years, true by brokeninside · · Score: 4, Insightful
    OS/2 v2 had years of a head start on Windows 95. OS/2 Warp had a ten month head start. The fact of the matter is that both of these had insignificant market share when compared to DOS/Windows 3.1. So all your points about how IBM was blindsided by Windows 95 are irrelevant.

    And the reason for this is simple: preloads. Consumers very rarely upgrade their operating system. Instead they prefer to run the system that their computer came with. This holds true to today where Microsoft's largest competitor for Vista is itself because no one wants to upgrade without a compelling reason. And IBM couldn't get any of its competitors (Compaq, HP, NEC, DEC, Packard-Bell, etc.) to preload OS/2 for a very simple reason, none of them wanted to be beholden to one of their largest rivals for an operating system.

    1. Re:Chicago was vaporware for years, true by niks42 · · Score: 2, Informative
      One of IBMs biggest mistakes was venturing down the OS/2 route (CPDOS in its development days) in the first place. IBM was ignoring the fact that it already had a 32-bit capable, virtualising, multiuser multitasking operating system that could run on 386 hardware. It was AIX. Now think about that, in the decision matrices going on in Boca Raton in 1986. I can recall when people came over from Austin, TX to demonstrate AIX to the CPDOS development team in Building 227/229.

      Think about it - we might have had a five year head start on GNU/Linux ... !

    2. Re:Chicago was vaporware for years, true by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The people at Boca Raton seem to have thought that they could prevent some of the perceived flaws of Unix, and wanted to provide some level of familiarity to developers comming from DOS.

      When I was involved with OS/2 and its development, AIX, and Unix in general were considered outdated and flawed, esp. with regards to scheduling and priority management. Considering how systems like OS/2 and BeOS perform under heavy load, and seeing how esp. the schedulers of modern Unix systems look little like what was there in the mid 80s, I still believe they may have had a point.

  27. Re:If the review is accurate, the book is revision by thsths · · Score: 1

    > When asked about the possibility of preloading OS/2, he laughed and said something like, ``yeah, right, I'm going to preload the software of a direct competitor on my machines.''

    I think that is a good point. It is usually assumed that having two businesses in one company leads to synergy. Reason given are that you can bundle solutions, you can focus your brand etc etc.

    However, being in several fields of business can also be a problem. IBM doing hardware and software is an example: you would assume that selling hardware would give them an edge selling software for it, but it did not. Instead, IBM sold its hardware with Windows (for which ever reasons), and IBM compatibles where sold with Windows, because they were competing with IBM and thus with OS/2. Sony is another example: the media division makes them cripple the consumer devices, and in the end they all go down...

    I am sure Microsoft was often tempted to produce hardware, but they were smart enough to stay from any actual computer components. They only produce peripherals (and nice ones), which do not threaten their software business.

  28. Microsoft "innovation" by operagost · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Most recently, when Microsoft found itself behind the 8-ball and lacking a browser, Internet Explorer was quickly developer and in time, surpassed the capability of Netscape Navigator.
    ... by licensing Spyglass's technology (and ripping them off in the process).
    --

    Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
    1. Re:Microsoft "innovation" by Alomex · · Score: 1

      BS. While Microsoft did license Spyglass' code and did rip them in the process by bullying them into a pittance of a payment, Spyglass' browser was waaaaaaay crappier than Netscape or the first version of Internet Explorer.

    2. Re:Microsoft "innovation" by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      The "innovation" quip also stuck out for me. I used to get a chuckle out of seeing criticism of Microsoft innovation. Long diatribes about the origionation of the GUI as we know it from Xerox PARC to Apple were interesting historical exercises. But I never found it particularly damning of Microsoft (or Apple). Things changed when Microsoft themselves started to push the "innovation" meme. It took on an even darker tone when Microsoft claimed that their business model was the sole path to continued "innovation". Criticism of Microsoft's "innovation" is now more of an issue of debunking their rhetoric than claiming that any given company or project has earned the sole right to win marketshare.

    3. Re:Microsoft "innovation" by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      I don't care how much better IE was compared to mosaic or what it was. It still was based on that so it wasn't starting from scratch.

      What the book said was a the tale of microsoft being late and quick to develop an alternative, but it wasn't developed from scratch so the whole point of the book was moot for that example, and since the writer seems less informed than slashdot regulars like me, I guess I'll keep reading comments here instead of buying his book :D

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    4. Re:Microsoft "innovation" by Alomex · · Score: 1


      It was pretty much developed from scratch. The code from Spyglass was pretty useless and back then (pre-frame, pre-CSS world) developing a whole new browser wasn't that hard. Today it would take several years, as Mozilla learned.

    5. Re:Microsoft "innovation" by marcello_dl · · Score: 1


      It was pretty much developed from scratch. The code from Spyglass was pretty useless
      Still, it was a working implementation. You're saying the code was so poor that even people accustomed to work with microsoft code (same microsoft who can't modularize a browser into an OS :) ) couldn't do much with it? Ain't that a lil' hard to believe?

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    6. Re:Microsoft "innovation" by Alomex · · Score: 1


      people accustomed to work with microsoft code

      Microsoft code is no worse than the rest of the industry. FOSS fanboys used to sneer at the high-bug-rate memory-hogging IE, and guess what? when firefox came out it was (and still is) equally buggy and memory hoggy.

    7. Re:Microsoft "innovation" by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      (Trying not to recall again the smoking pile of crap MS Office preloaded on my 1997 mac was...)

      I use firefox on linux and explorer on windows, so i keep well separate the OSS and the proprietary stacks, as features and stability go, Firefox has its share of bugs but stability and feature wise 1.5 was much better than ie6, so it would have to experience LOTS more problems if code quality were the same: on the other hand explorer couldn't be easily modularized as a separate component in the OS, w98 is said to be too difficult to keep updated from exploits (when open source people keep older kernel trees updated for people with old hardware), office presents UI errors which shareware authors on the mac would be ashamed of.

      I guess good source code is there for .NET because they don't have a monopoly on internet frameworks.

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  29. Your explanation doesn't hold water by brokeninside · · Score: 1
    Name one top tier vendor other than IBM that ever offered OS/2 2.0 or above as a preloaded operating system.

    That right there is why IBM lost the war. And it doesn't really have anything to do with IBM's marketing mistakes (which admittedly were legion). There are really only two reasons for this. The first is Microsoft's monopolistic practices which, among other things, required vendors to pay for Windows licenses for every machine they shipped regardless of whether they had Windows installed. The second is that none of IBM's competitors wanted to finance IBM.

    1. Re:Your explanation doesn't hold water by niks42 · · Score: 1
      > Name one top tier vendor other than IBM that ever offered OS/2 2.0 or above as a preloaded operating system.

      Europe had more, much more success than North America. Escom and Vobis both preloaded OS/2 2.1 and later. HPs desktop division in Grenoble, France even toyed with the idea. I put that success down to a fanatical bunch of people in Basingstoke, UK who thought nothing of jumping on planes and working round the clock with vendors to work through issues with device drivers, preload images and bundled applications. The Basingstoke team stuck with OS/2 preloads on ATM machines well beyond the point of extinction.

      If I could add another reason - there was a problem with critical mass that sunk IBMs efforts to keep OS/2 successful. That was the huge cost of maintaining device drivers for all of the disparate hardware that was the 'IBM Compatible' platform. Since Windows had that critical mass, Microsoft could rely on hardware manufacturers to provide Windows drivers for their swiftly changing graphics cards, sound cards, motherboards and chipsets. The DDK was written so that Microsoft 'owned' the binaries developed. IBM had to practically buy that same support, or attempt to provide it themselves, or limit the range of hardware that could be guaranteed to run OS/2 without problems. Apple never suffered the huge problem of the multiplying quantity of device drivers that needed to be written and supported, since by and large it controlled the core hardware platform. The sheer weight of providing a huge support team for a piece of software was beyond IBMs willingness to compete; executive management saw that the division had spent enough money to launch another Hubble space telescope, and go repair the thing without gaining more than a few points of market share.

  30. Re:If the review is accurate, the book is revision by operagost · · Score: 1

    Windows 95 came out in August 1995. How is that "by Christmas?" It was VERY late. It was supposed to come out in 1994 (and 1993, and 1992)!

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  31. soviet russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in soviet russia stupidity finds you. (it just did.)

  32. Table of Contents and sample chapter by Rescate · · Score: 2, Informative
    Table of Contents
    1. Introduction
    2. First Movers, First Mistakes: IBM, Digital Research, Apple, and Microsoft
    3. A Rather Nutty Tale: IBM and the PC Junior
    4. Positioning Puzzlers: MicroPro and Microsoft
    5. We Hate You, We Really Hate You: Ed Esber, Ashton-Tate, and Siebel Systems
    6. The Idiot Piper: OS/2 and IBM
    7. Frenchman Eats Frog, Chokes to Death: Borland and Philippe Kahn
    8. Brands for the Burning: Intel, Motorola, and Google
    9. From Godzilla to Gecko: The Long, Slow Decline of Novell
    10. Ripping PR Yarns: Microsoft and Netscape
    11. Purple Haze All Through My Brain: The Internet and ASP Busts
    12. The Strange Case of Dr. Open and Mr. Proprietary
    13. On Avoiding Stupidity
    14. Stupid Analyses
  33. I found stupidity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.democraticunderground.com

  34. In search of stupid by proxy318 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't have to search for stupid. It comes to me.

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    1. Re:In search of stupid by Bugs42 · · Score: 1
      I don't have to search for stupid. It comes to me.
      Like moths to a flame?^U Like (l)users to a sysadmin?
      --
      Programmer: an ingenious device that converts caffeine into code.
  35. Netscape stupidity and software management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd say that the failure of Netscape was their own stupidity as well, with Microsoft there to outdo them.

    In particular, I'd put it down to (at least) Engineering management stupidity. Everyone had free reign to modify any part of the code that they wanted. And they did. This led to horrible bloat, numerous bugs, and a source code base that was hard (if not impossible) to deal with.

    I know of one contractor there who was so fed up that he had his manager implement a policy that if anyone touched a section of the code that he needed to get his work done, they would be fired.

    This is still appropo to software mismanagement today. I see numerous companies (especially startups) where they repeat this model.

    While this can work well for small crews, after a certain size it fails - and that size limit isn't very large (a half dozen IMO).

    What I find interesting is to contrast this with successful projects, like the Linux kernel source. Sure, you can modify any part you like. But your patches aren't getting in unless you have the approval of the right person - THE person who is responsible for that section. And even with that, unless Linus buys off on it, it still isn't getting in.

    One of the things which is interesting about this approach is that it constantly seems to be ignored by Engineering management in many companies. The managers like to have replaceable bodies, which they can outsource or do what they will, rather than treat their employees as experts in a specific area, and delegate the decisions to these experts. I.e. make them responsible and accountable.

    I've never seen the "replaceable body" approach be successful past a year or two. And it always leads to a mess which has to be cleaned up.

  36. Digital Research DID provide an OS to IBM by pcubbage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Speaking of folklore, Gary Kihdal DID do a deal with IBM and did publish CP/M for the PC. It took a while and IBM had it's doubts and went back to Bill Gates who came up with DOS. Two things happened:

    1. DOS had an amazing (for the time) street price of $49 and was out first.
    2. CP/M came later had a street price around $225
    3. Game over.

    Did Gates not devlop, but rather buy, DOS from Seattle Computer Products and push it out? Yes.
    Did Gates know OEM's business model from selling BASIC to several and price DOS for that? Yes.

    1. Re:Digital Research DID provide an OS to IBM by doom · · Score: 1
      Quoting the review:

      Digital Research then had to blow off IBM when it came calling to them for an operating systems for the original IBM PC.

      pcubbage wrote:

      Gary Kihdal DID do a deal with IBM and did publish CP/M for the PC. It took a while

      Yes, it "took a while", in fact it took too long for it to matter. IBM released the PC with PC-DOS (essentially, MS-DOS), CP/M happened later -- and if IBM was willing to ship boxes with CP/M pre-installed, that's news to me, I didn't hear about anything like that at the time.

      I think you guys are both repeating things that only have elements of the truth to them, and I don't think all of the facts here are known, this is a real historical puzzle here. Try reading the wikipedia article, it doesn't look too bad: Gary Kildall"

      Some points that might be of interest (largely from memory):

      • Gary Kildal''s Digital Research was the established player in operating systems for small microprocessor-based machines, with the CP/M product. There were also Apple IIs around (gaining some respectability because of Visicalc, the first spreadsheet), and a scattering of Apple II imitators, but not too much else.
        • Kildall was clearly a West Coast-style uber-geek. His original name for his company was "Intergalactic Digital Research"
      • When a division at IBM decided to put out a machine like this, they did approach Digital Research to inquire about getting CP/M ported to it
        • Note; that this was not IBM's first attempt at doing something like a PC, there was an earlier product that flopped, (the 5050 perhaps?). This was a very closed box, however, the IBM PC was a more open product friendly to third-party hardware and software.
          • As I heard some conference pundit put it once "When they did it their way they failed, when they did it our way they suceeded.
          • The funny thing is, when Apple started doing it "their way" with the Mac, everyone loved it
        • Many stories are told about this meeting between Kildall and IBM that suggest some kind of cultural conflict between the suits and the post-hippee -- I don't know how true they are.
        • Many details you hear are off, e.g. "Kildall just fobbed them off on his wife" -- but his wife was the company business manager, and she often handled the details of contracts.
      • IBM then talked to Bill Gates, whese claim to fame in those days was Microsoft Basic.
        • This is a really bizarre move for them to make, in my opinion, and I've never heard a good explanation for it.
        • The wikipedia article claims Gates was already working on the Basic ROM for the IBM PC.
        • My understanding is that Gates was pretty well connected (I think his Mom was on IBM's board of directors).
        • I've heard an odd rumor about Kildall sleeping around with the wife of someone at IBM -- take that for what it's worth (probably nothing), I offer it as evidence that a lot of us see a puzzle here that needs explaining.
        • The wikipedia article makes it sound like Gates himself was the source of some of the tales about Kildall blowing off IBM to go flying his airplane. Maybe Gates felt the need to explain something?
      • Gates took on the job, in spite of having no experience in the business of writing Operating Systems, and went out and bought an OS cheap from Tim Patterson of Seattle Engineering -- $20,000? $50,000? You hear different numbers.
      • This was Q-DOS, aka "Quick and Dirty DOS".
        • Q-DOS was in fact a CP/M variant: it was based on code pirated from Gary Kildall.
        • This was later proved in a court case, as I understand it, but G
  37. In Search Of... by triffid_98 · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one hearing a Leonard Nimoy voiceover in my head?

    "This series presents information based in part on theory and conjecture. The producer's purpose is to suggest some possible explanations, but not necessarily the only ones, to the mysteries we will examine."

  38. Re:If the review is accurate, the book is revision by operagost · · Score: 1

    Apparently you did not run games, terminal applications, a BBS, or even more than one applications at once because those were the biggest reasons for running OS/2. The GUI was OO and solid (there's a reason to run it over NT's crufty Program Manager), but being able to run your DOS games without exiting your GUI and running Word and Excel simultaneously without corrupting the whole OS if one crashed was pretty much a killer application. Isn't that kind of stability why you ran NT 3.x? OS/2 ran a lot more 16-bit windows and DOS apps than NT 3.x did, and just as reliably (if not more so). If NT's stability and multitasking weren't the selling point for you, then why didn't you just run 16-bit Windows? After all, it was the same GUI.

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  39. chilling effect by epine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tom Peters did not admit to "faking the data" in any substantive way. He poked a sharp pin into self-importance of business consulting (and by implication their purportedly yet rarely-in-practice objective data-driven metholodogy) that the editor of Fast Company then spun for cheap thrills and effect. What we end up with here, at the end of the day, is a world where self-important people become to afraid to poke fun at their own self-importance, for fear that their remarks will become an eggregiously misconstrued sound-bite spun for cheap thrills and effect to pawn a second-rate parody twenty years later. We all snigger at this revelation, before heading off to the pub to complain about stuffed-shirts acting like stuffed-shirts, in a climate we ourselves have created through our ill-considered sniggers where it is too dangerous for a stuffed-shirt to risk the slightest statement of self-mockery. I have seen the enemy, and he is us.

    1. Re:chilling effect by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      What we end up with here, at the end of the day, is a world where self-important people become to afraid to poke fun at their own self-importance, for fear that their remarks will become an eggregiously misconstrued sound-bite spun for cheap thrills and effect to pawn a second-rate parody twenty years later.

      No, self important people are by definition unwilling to poke fun at themselves. That's what it means to be self important.

      We all snigger at this revelation, before heading off to the pub to complain about stuffed-shirts acting like stuffed-shirts, in a climate we ourselves have created through our ill-considered sniggers where it is too dangerous for a stuffed-shirt to risk the slightest statement of self-mockery.

      Yes, it's our fault, not that of the people who have the power to fire us for making them look stupid.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    2. Re:chilling effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I thought that part sounded like a crock.

    3. Re:chilling effect by xactuary · · Score: 1
      So please people, a little less self-importance then. Ah, that's much better.

      With apologies to Ms. Streisand: Self-important people who need self-important people are the unluckiest people in the world.

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    4. Re:chilling effect by rickchapman · · Score: 1

      Tom Peters DID admit to faking the data in a substantive way and the Business Week article in which he did is one of the book's exhibits.

      rick chapman
      (the author)

  40. Re:If the review is accurate, the book is revision by rk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I tried like heck to get us to use OS/2 desktop systems at a place I worked in 1993. I gave up when I tried to connect our IBM brand (PS/ValuePoint!) PCs, running IBM's OS/2, to an IBM midrange computer, using an IBM 5250 emulation card, only to be told by IBM technical support that the 5250 software written by IBM only supported Microsoft Windows. At this point, I knew OS/2 was doomed as a desktop OS. When you can't even convince another division of your own company to interoperate with your product, you've got some serious problems.

  41. The FIRST anti-trust trial. by khasim · · Score: 2, Informative

    In 1994 Microsoft signed a "consent decree" because of their "per processor" agreements with the OEM's.

    So it would seem that Microsoft already owned the desktop market prior to 1995.

    http://www.wired.com/news/antitrust/0,1551,35212,0 0.html

  42. Dear Curiosity Seeker, by Glog · · Score: 1

    you have come to the right place.

  43. The failure of the PS/2 killed OS/2 by jmyers · · Score: 2, Informative

    From my perspective the IBM PS/2 line of computers killed IBM's dominance and lead to the dramatic rise of Compaq, Dell and others. The rise of clones lead to the rise of the generic (non-IBM) OS which was MS-DOS.

    In the mid 80's I was doing field service on PCs and IBM had almost complete dominance in hardware and OS (PC-DOS). There was a Compaq here and there and a few other clones but they were very rare. When the PS/2 came out the customers I dealt with were pissed.

    They has brought a PC then an XT then an AT and kept all the same peripherals, monitors, add in cards, software, etc through the upgrades. Here was a new computer that was incompatible with everything they already had. Granted it was time for an upgrade, but consumers saw it as lock in and they hated it. People started buying clones in droves and the IBM dominance was dead. By the time windows 95 came out I rarely saw am IBM brand PC in a small business office.

    People didn't know they were buying MS-DOS or PC-DOS or Windows or OS/2, there were buying a computer and if you bought a Compaq it came with Windows not OS/2.

    1. Re:The failure of the PS/2 killed OS/2 by Bozdune · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I totally agree that the PS/2 killed IBM's hardware business. Before the PS/2, IT departments buying PC's said, "Why not IBM?" After the PS/2, it was "Why IBM?" IBM pissed everyone off, including me. I probably told hundreds of clients not to buy PS/2's, and everyone I know who was in a position to recommend PC hardware did the same. Everyone flushed the toilet at once. It was amazing to watch.

      However, this has nothing to do with the software business. The point is, and this is made by other commentators later in this thread, none of the clone manufacturers would source an IBM operating system if they could avoid it. Buying an OS from your competitor? What idiot would do that?

      The clones were climbing up IBM's ass at the time, and would have eventually won on price/performance anyway. So OS/2 was doomed, since the clones would have won huge market share, and the clones would have avoided OS/2 like the plague.

    2. Re:The failure of the PS/2 killed OS/2 by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      the IBM PS/2 line of computers killed IBM's dominance

      I could not agree more. The MCA expansion slots were a design nightmare with a huge license fee to prevent other computer makers from using it. ISA sucked, but it was relatively open and made it easy to design add in boards that would work in machines from multiple vendors.

      Gah! I still have a book shelf full of the constantly moving timing requirements for that stinker of an asynchronous bus. It was very easy to end up with a MCA add in card that would only work on certain PS/2 models, much less machines from other manufacturers.

    3. Re:The failure of the PS/2 killed OS/2 by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2, Informative
      They has brought a PC then an XT then an AT and kept all the same peripherals, monitors, add in cards, software, etc through the upgrades. Here was a new computer that was incompatible with everything they already had. Granted it was time for an upgrade, but consumers saw it as lock in and they hated it. People started buying clones in droves and the IBM dominance was dead. By the time windows 95 came out I rarely saw am IBM brand PC in a small business office.


      And here is a hint of the true source of Microsoft's succes. The story really isn't about OS/2 and Windows... its about the emergence of a commodity platform.

      The PS/2 was IBM's last-ditch effort to shove the commodity PC geanie back in the bottle. By this time, they had lost control of the platform they had introduced. The base system was off-the-shelf components. The gatekeeper of the whole syste, the BIOS, had been legally reverse-engineered (spawning the instant success of Compaq). An industry was rising around the "IBM PC clone" - and Microsoft was supplying an OS to anyone who wanted one. The PS/2 attempt surrounded the introduction of a competing bus archictecture - the Micro Channel Architecture (MCA). MCA was far superior to the standard ISA bus. But it was proprietary technology belonging to IBM and IBM would only allow implementing MCA bus and compatible cards under rather stiff licensing restrictions.

      The industry decided to forego MCA's advantages for the advantages of a commodity platform. And so IBM lost its last battle on that front. OS/2 was collateral damage. Apple would later feel the sting. So-called clone manufactorers would continue to see their market grow. But the big winner was Microsoft who now made money (and built up network effect / market share) on every commodity platform sold... no matter who pieced it together. By the time OS/2 Warp came around... who was really keen to play IBM's game another time? And even if they were willing to... could they beat the network effect of Windows?
    4. Re:The failure of the PS/2 killed OS/2 by rickchapman · · Score: 1

      The impact of the PS/2 on the failure of OS/2 is covered in ISOS. rick chapman (the author)

  44. Revisionist or flawed history? by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1
    I'm amazed at the claim that IBM's marketing sunk OS/2. Their marketing may have been marginal , but there were many other deeper reasons OS/2 didnt make it:
    • OS/2 was tied to the old 80286 architecture, as IBM was making lots of PS/2 boxes with 286's. That was a major millstone around its neck-- it could never do any of the clever real to protected mode switching and emulation that Windows 3.1 could do.
    • IBM had a lot of programmers in the UK assigned to OS/2. Distance, before the Internet, was a big hindrance.
    • The UK crew had some very strange ideas, many of them impractical and antithetical to the PC world.
    • OS/2 first came out with a very crippled "text only" version, with most of the overhead but none of the benefits of the GUI version. A great way to make a poor OOB experience.
    • OS/2 was not torpedoed by Microsoft, in fact for the first year or so Bill gates worked quite hard to fix many of the worst design choices in OS/2.
    1. Re:Revisionist or flawed history? by flnca · · Score: 2, Informative

      What you're not saying is that all of the above applies only to OS/2 version 1.3 and below. OS/2 2.11, Warp 3 and Warp 4 not only had a great GUI that was far beyond that of Windows in terms of functionality (like the CORBA compatible component-based Workplace Shell that was truly object-oriented and fully integrated into the user experience), but also that they fully supported 80386 and above microprocessors. The second-to-last version of IBM Visual Age for C++ (V3.5) optimized well even for Pentium II and III processors. Also, these versions of OS/2 had an integrated emulation for MS-DOS and Windows 3.1 which contradicts your opinion that they did not support the V86 modes well.

    2. Re:Revisionist or flawed history? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 3.1 was compiled for the 286, because MS did not want to lose the 286 installed based (and also because the original design choice was for win3.1 to be essentially a msdos application, able of running on top of a msdos emulator under os/2). Thus, Windows 3.1 installed and ran on any 286 PC. Its "386 enhanced" control panel was an afterthought, or a hack. Anyone who had to use it can tell you that Windows 3.1 never used the MMU on the 386.

      On the other hand, OS/2 2.0 was compiled for 386. It could not install nor run on a 286, and it indeed used the MMU of my 486 as I expected a real OS to do. I was very happy with its reliability as my main workstation at home, for all uses. It truly worked as advertised.

      Furthermore, 286-protected-mode OS/2 applications simply couldn't be allowed to run at all under OS/2 2.0 (including simple apps like ZORTECH C compiler for OS/2). Whether part of OS/2 2.0 itself was actually still relying on some obscure 16-bit driver was never relevant on daily use.

      OS/2 2 shipped with a top-notch (for its time) MSDOS emulation, and I remember myself being able to play all the latest LucasArts games for msdos under OS/2.
      Win311 had an extremely limited MSDOS emulation that forced people to "exit windows" to use real msdos to run anything useful.

      Win311 success was caused by pre-installation on all new PCs, and piracy of MS OFFICE.

      Bill gates worked quite hard to fix many of the worst design choices in OS/2 and they called the project "OS/2 NT". Which is what you use today.

      The main design choice for OS/2 was the concept of sub-system (sort of mini operating systems running concurrently).
      OS/2 2.0 shipped with many subsystems:
        - os/2 Console 32bits subsystem
        - os/2 Presentation Manager 32bits subsystem
        - os/2 Console 16bits subsystem
        - msdos emulation subsystem (win311 under os/2 was emulated on top of this subsystem).

      NT 4.0 shipped with many subsystems:
        - win32 Console 32bits subsystem
        - win32 GUI 32bits subsystem
        - OS/2 Console 16bits subsystem (yes, check it out).
        - msdos emulation subsystem (win311 under NT4 was emulated on top of this subsystem).
      - POSIX subsystem (or was it just a simple library instead of a full-blown subsystem?)

      NT 6.0 ships in 2007 with these subsystems:
        - win32 Console 32bits subsystem
        - win32 GUI 32bits subsystem

      Essentially, NT is the multi-user version of OS/2 but with a decreasing number of subsystems running. So much for choosing the right design!

    3. Re:Revisionist or flawed history? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OS/2 was tied to the old 80286 architecture, as IBM was making lots of PS/2 boxes with 286's. That was a major millstone around its neck-- it could never do any of the clever real to protected mode switching and emulation that Windows 3.1 could do.What a laughable comment. OS/2 2.0 was 32-bit and released in 1992, the same year Windows 3.1 came out.

  45. Apple not licensing is not a Marketing mistake by hellfire · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Market share is just one of many factors determining the success of a company, but it's not the only one. Apple has higher revenues than Dell right now, and is making sweet profits, which is an even bigger factor in success.

    Licensing, I agree, would be a great boon for consumers, but there is no evidence than it would have been good for Apple. It was a conscious decision not to do it because licensing would undermine their hardware sales, which was of course later proven when they actually did license the OS!! Yes they lost market share, but they retained revenues they couldn't get any way else at the time. Therefore calling it a mistake is a typical fallacy that far too many techies and tech business types make because they fail to look at apple's real business model.

    This book seems to be a skimming of information from moderated slashdot comments. This might be a good book for someone new to the idea, but there doesn't seem to be anything good here. Plenty of company bashing we've all done before, and nothing new to add. Nothing to see here... move along.

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    "All great wisdom is contained in .signature files"

    1. Re:Apple not licensing is not a Marketing mistake by paudle · · Score: 1

      Just curious, what are the revenues of Dell vs. Apple and your sources for that?

    2. Re:Apple not licensing is not a Marketing mistake by gitchel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, Apple's revenue for FY2005 was about $13B. Dell's was about $49B. Not real close. Dell made more profit and more return on stock, too, I think, but I'm late for something and can't look that up right now. On the other hand, Apple made much better equipment, created more brand loyalty, held tightly to its 5-6% market share, ruled a few non-computer markets, and - in the end - really made more people truely happy. You simply must have been adding in their karmic revenue :-D

    3. Re:Apple not licensing is not a Marketing mistake by gitchel · · Score: 1

      And before someone asks, 3Q 2006 revenue for Dell was about $13.9B and Apple's was $4.37B. If you stop and think that maybe the current definition of "success" for Apple is that it has a rock-hard 5% market share of a hugely growing market, and that they continually (perhaps not consistantly, but at least frequently) delight their own customers, perhaps Apple is doing just fine. If you measure Apple with Microsoft's ruler, it'll always come up short.

    4. Re:Apple not licensing is not a Marketing mistake by theodorejanderson · · Score: 1

      >>Market share is just one of many factors determining the success of a company, but it's not the only one. Apple has higher revenues than Dell right now, and is making sweet profits, which is an even bigger factor in success.

      What a short sided comment. Apple could have made tens of billions more had they opened up their OS.

      Most of their profits are from the ipod.

      >>Licensing, I agree, would be a great boon for consumers, but there is no evidence than it would have been good for Apple

      Are you out of your mind? Why does Apple have 4% of the market now? They are such a non-entity. They are only making money off their ipods.

      Licensing would have been the ultimate difference and they blew it.

    5. Re:Apple not licensing is not a Marketing mistake by albanac · · Score: 1

      Market share is just one of many factors determining the success of a company, but it's not the only one. Apple has higher revenues than Dell right now, and is making sweet profits, which is an even bigger factor in success.

      o_0 Is this true? I can believe it if you're comparing apples to oranges (ie. the total revenues of the companies) but not if you're comparing Apples to Dells (ie. the personal desktop computer markets, which we're, you know, talking about). As I understand it the only reason Apple is seeing decent figures is their recent revolutionary entry into the portable music market: in other words, this is only true if you're talking iPods, rather than about personal computers.

      On the other hand, you do have a support for your point in this example: the portable music appliance market which Apple entered was massively dominated by two players in Creative and Sony, and Apple took an immense amount of market share very quickly by making a product which both worked, and was liked by consumers. Good trick, that.

      ~cHris
  46. "Peters falsified data": not really by Knuckles · · Score: 1
    The review says that
    in 2001, [In Search of Excellence Author] Peters admitted that he falsified the underlying data
    . This is not really true. Quoting Business Week,
    For years, many assumed that the authors employed rigorous research and stringent financial screens to identify "excellent" companies. Peters now maintains that he and Waterman simply asked their McKinsey colleagues and other "smart people" for the names of companies doing "cool work." Then, they screened that initial list of 62 organizations for financial performance over a 20-year period. That whittled the list to 43 companies, ranging from Johnson & Johnson to Intel Corp.

    Even more peculiar than Peters' confession of inventing data is the author's insistence that his published admission is actually untrue. "Get off my case," he grouses. "We didn't fake the data. It's called an aggressive headline."
    --
    "When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
    1. Re:"Peters falsified data": not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tom Peters responded to falsification charge made here on his website:
      http://www.tompeters.com/entries.php?note=009406.p hp

    2. Re:"Peters falsified data": not really by Knuckles · · Score: 1
      Thanks, AC, for the info. I copy it here to get it out of 0 score territory
      Tom Peters responded to falsification charge made here on his website:
      http://www.tompeters.com/entries.php?note=009406.p hp
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      "When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
  47. Wikipedia Article by bheilig · · Score: 2, Funny
    Librarians have been slow to move the book to the fiction section.

    Maybe we should start with the Wikipedia article? From the Wikipedia article:

    This article about a non-fiction book is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.
    1. Re:Wikipedia Article by lamona · · Score: 1

      If every flawed, even totally error-ridden, non-fiction book were moved to the fiction section the non-fiction section would be virtually empty. Well, that would depend on the library. In some parts of Kansas the non-fiction section would only contain the Bible; in Berkeley, it would only contain Che's Bolivian Diary and Kerouac's On the Road; in Maine it would only contain the Angler's Almanac. Sheeesh!

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  48. UHH!!! Pick me, pick me... by dvazquez · · Score: 1

    Just kidding

  49. Re:If the review is accurate, the book is revision by Fred_A · · Score: 1

    However, in the end, as the parent poster pointed out, all OS/2 was really used for was running Windows apps since nobody bothered to write apps for it.

    I too poked quite a bit at OS/2 2.x but in the end I just switched to Unix where at least I could multitask *and* run native software.

    The real problem with OS/2 2 was that for 99% of users there was absolutely no point in using it unless they already lived in OS/2 1.3 land (as a number of banks apparently did at the time). It was a pretty impressive system all things considered but like BeOS it was a solution looking for a problem. Far from being an advantage, the Windows compatibility killed OS/2 because it was the only thing most people saw in it. "It runs Windows better than Windows !" "Well, if it's to run Windows stuff, I'll stick to what I know". End of story.

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  50. What about the Microsoft "head-fake?" by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    Circa 1989, I was working for a Fortune 500 company--a very stupid one, but that's another matter--which made PCs and pretty much toed the Microsoft line. From time to time they would herd hundreds of developers into Auditorium III where people from Microsoft would give us The Word. They took Q&A from the audience.

    In 1989 they were asked about Windows and OS/2, and said, unequivocally, the OS/2 was the mainstream OS and that we should develop OS/2, that Windows was a sort of toy for the home market. (At that time, Windows programs ran in conventional memory... of which Windows itself took about 300K, leaving less than 300K for the Windows application. Even in 1989 that was a severe constraint).

    In 1990, they were asked the same question with a bit more edge to it, by some groups that had started OS/2 development, and they and everyone else all noticed that Window 3.0 seemed to have a lot more fit and finish to it. It was prettier, it came with all those seductive little applets like Windows Write and Paint and so forth, and just generally gave the impression that Microsoft was working harder on it than on OS/2. Again, we were flatly told that Windows was not the future and that OS/2 was the "serious" platform.

    Under the circumstances, I have to feel that Microsoft did, in fact, mislead developers. By 1990, they had to have had their own applications developers committed to Windows and not to OS/2. I can't think of any reason for them to do this other than to give their own applications a head start in the Windows market.

    I don't see how you can blame that one on IBM.

    1. Re:What about the Microsoft "head-fake?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Your conclusion does not necessary follow your description of facts. I was also doing OS/2 work at the time and a friend was actually on the OS/2 team. It appeared to me that Microsoft did think OS/2 would be the serious platform. How could it not be? It had IBM's huge resources. After a couple of years, however, the Windows team far outstripped the OS/2 development team and Bill Gates saw his opportunity. Eventually, Microsoft realized that a joint project with IBM was a liability, not an asset.

      The difference in polish had a lot to do with the difference in development styles. Some IBM developers were always complaining that the MS developers would do things like allocate static arrays instead of using dynamically sizing data structures (ergo some of the limitations in Windows: HWNDs, etc.). In the end, however, the MS method of getting something working day-in and day-out eventually added up. The end result was a product with more effort (because there was more time "left over") put into the usability and look-and-feel than into perfect data structures in the kernel. And look what customers preferred.

    2. Re:What about the Microsoft "head-fake?" by swordgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you need to fast-forward a little bit, to somewhere about 1994. OS/2 2.0 was out and recognised in the computing industry as superior to Window NT 4.0. NT5 was still a long ways away, Win3.1 was still a GUI on top of DOS, and the Pentium floating point bug was just getting noticed. That's when IBM announced OS/2 2.1--a really great next generation OS, for the home and also for the office. It had flash, it had utility, it actually ran Windows programs, and IBM was going to start selling PCs with the brand-new PPC chip, SCSI hard drives (like Apple), running OS/2. Microsoft and Intel were faltering badly, and IBM had a perfect coup in the works.

      I ended up talking quite extensively with an IBM architect at the time. I was impatiently biting my nails, waiting to spend all of my money on a fancy new legacy-free DOS-free IBM computer which would kick the ass of anything else out there. The comment I got back from IBM was, "Well we've got a few things to polish still, so we won't release anything until we're ready. The market will wait for us, if the product is good."

      I couldn't believe I was hearing this. The market NEVER waits for the product--least of all in computing. If there's real competition, the first to market wins. Not the best, not the fastest, not even the prettiest, but the best marketed--and the first step in marketing is get to the customer before your competition.

      IBM blew it. They completely failed to capitalise on a chance to make a huge change in the PC marketplace. It wasn't Microsoft, it was IBM.

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      "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
  51. Gerald Ratner can beat that... by rHBa · · Score: 2, Informative

    "People say, "How can you sell this for such a low price?" I say, because it's total crap."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ratner

  52. Some of his blanket statements are pro-MS foo by whatnever · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Most recently, when Microsoft found itself behind the 8-ball and lacking a browser, Internet Explorer was quickly developed and in time, surpassed the capability of Netscape Navigator. By 1998, most reviews were giving IE a higher rating than Navigator. Of course, Microsoft has more cash and developers than Netscape, but that alone was not what doomed them.

    I worked at Netscape and I can tell you exactly what happened. Latest versions of the Netscape Browser was free to download, but companies and organizations (e.g. gov't) had to buy licenses. When MS launched ie, they gave it away for free and it put a price pressure on Netscape when it went to re/negotiate licenses. Customers would say, "Your browser is better than ie, but their's is free, we can't pay you as much as you want, we'll only pay x." After ie launched, though obviously inferior, it cut Netscape's income by 50%. As each new version of ie was launched, the Netscape's income from the browser dropped, and eventually went to zero.

    There was no income coming from the Browser, so Netscape focused on their server software, webservers, LDAP, etc. That is why browser development fell behind Microsoft's ie. Microsoft effectively killed Netscape's revenue stream from the browser.

    And to say Netscape dropped the ball and was doomed by a port to Java and not by Microsoft seems like an incorrect analysis of what really happened. It was mostly the predatory behavior of Microsoft business practices which killed Netscape. This books looks like an analysis by an armchair quarterback (with very heavy leanings towards MS) instead of a well researched scholarly work.

  53. Hindsight by markjo · · Score: 1

    I beg to differ. I figure that hindsight is 20/40 at best, with a touch of astigmatism.

  54. IBM thought they bought the market by plover · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Absolutely, preloads were the key to Microsoft's success. Yes, the IBM clone competition had a large part to play in preloading Windows, especially since IBM was threatening them with the PS/2 line and its patented, locked-down architecture. But there were other IBM "stupidity" factors that helped kill OS/2, also.

    I remember back then when IBM trotted their dog'n'pony show through our conference rooms trying to convince us that since Presentation Manager was 32-bit and the Microsoft stuff was a half-assed combination of 16-bit thunks running inside 32-bit windowing that the only intelligent decision was to pick OS/2 for our new development.

    Back at this time, IBM still proudly wore the crown of the Kings of FUD, and we techies didn't respect them for it. Anyone with an IQ of 80+ could see that new development would be only on 32-bit systems anyway, and the whole thunking argument was just bullshit for salesmen to shovel to ignorant VPs.

    IBM fervently believed that if they could sell OS/2 4.0 to Corporate America (TM) then OS/2 was the winner. Most people reading this won't appreciate just how much they believed this, but that was the truth. IBM was exactly like a rich poker player who bets his entire bankroll on one good hand and figures he has bought the pot. They had true TCP/IP networking (not that shitty Trumpet Winsock.) They had true multitasking, (not the idle-time-sharing kludge that was Windows 3.1.) They had their WoW layer (the original precursor to WINE) that would run Windows 3.1 apps right inside OS/2 (although back then virtually every useful Windows app violated the Windows API for performance or hardware reasons.) And they had performed huge amounts of quality control testing. OS/2 4.0 was, for its day, a solid operating system. It absolutely kicked ass over Windows 3.1, and was far superior to Windows 95. They had every technical reason to believe they had a superior product.

    Finally for the "cool rollout factor" to appeal to geeks everywhere, they had Leonard Nimoy as their pitchman. What geek wouldn't automatically trust Spock to make the logical choice of operating systems?

    But to IBM, home computers were almost irrelevant. Microsoft, on the other hand, aggressively made sure that Windows 3.1 (and 3.11 and WfW) came preinstalled on every computer sold. And while they wanted to get into big corporations, they realized they were making their money one sale at a time, and one small workgroup at a time. By sliding in the back door, they became dominant before IBM sold a single copy of Warp. People running WfW migrated to NT 3.1, and then to NT 3.5. People running Windows 3.1 believed Microsoft, upgraded to Windows 95, and then bought new computers that could actually handle the added CPU and disk loads. And with Windows 95's native reliance on DOS, most of those broken Windows 3.1 apps were able to continue to function (unlike WoW on OS/2.)

    IBM was shattered. Our account reps walked around looking like dogs that had been beaten for crapping on the carpet. They seriously and honestly thought that their better product and their sales to every Fortune 100 company was how you played hardball and won these games. After all, that's how they ruthlessly and utterly dominated the mainframe market for over a generation. But in the end, it turned out to be a popularity contest, and they had actually been beaten before they knew the game was on.

    --
    John
    1. Re:IBM thought they bought the market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Absolutely, preloads were the key to Microsoft's success.

      Not completely. People were lined up around the block at midnight to buy a retail copy of Windows 95. And the media covered it big time. That's a sign of how far MS has slipped - when people lined up around the block to buy a Zune the press refused to cover it. To this day you won't see a video of it on the news. Talk about media manipulation!

    2. Re:IBM thought they bought the market by poohsan · · Score: 1

      completely true, just missing at least one more important detail - Microsoft understands that marketing and hype is everything (Nike understands it too bit that's a different industry)... The only ads that I remember for OS/2 were the "a totally cool way to run your computer" which was a really stupid ad campaign.

    3. Re:IBM thought they bought the market by plover · · Score: 1
      Absolutely, preloads were the key to Microsoft's success.
      Not completely. People were lined up around the block at midnight to buy a retail copy of Windows 95. And the media covered it big time. That's a sign of how far MS has slipped - when people lined up around the block to buy a Zune the press refused to cover it. To this day you won't see a video of it on the news. Talk about media manipulation!

      I think you missed my point. The battle was over long before either Warp or Windows 95 was shipped. The fanbois didn't line up for Windows 95 because they had chosen between Warp and Windows 95 -- they lined up because they were already sold on Windows. They were pre-sold by the same Windows that had come preloaded on their computers for the previous four years.

      That was kind of evident in some of the IBM Warp presentations we got. While in my earlier post I said that IBM believed they had won with their technical superiority, not every single IBMer toed that same line. Some of them actually sounded desperate for us to believe that OS/2 Warp was the right decision. I miss those days when we could always count on IBM to pick up the bar tab! :-)

      [ For us, it was always a choice between OS/2 or NT. Windows 95 was never even under consideration. We were interested only in the non-DOS-based operating systems, as we knew we needed the stability. And since our code was going to be all new development anyway, none of the Windows 3.1 compatibility issues mattered to us. ]

      The weirdest thing about all of that was the promise that Windows 95 "fixed" things that Microsoft had already proven they sucked at. Crashing, hanging, installers, INI files, the registry, Microsoft had made a mess of all of this in 3.1 and it didn't improve very much with Windows 95. It wasn't until Windows 98 second edition that they were finally delivering a fairly stable DOS based OS to the home market. And even that sucked rather a lot.

      XP was really the pinnacle of Microsoft's home OSes. NT-based, protected memory, all the stuff that UNIX has had ever since the 1980s, they finally got a lot of it right. And they made it pretty, despite the default Fischer-Price theme. But from here on out, it's all downhill. Vista is going to be a kick in the teeth for most home users -- DRM-this, PMP-that, and Trusted Computing making sure you're not pirating a copy of Office (not that WGA isn't trying to make XP suck.) No usable HDTV media access; onerous restrictions on hardware upgrades; and it requires an upgrade equivalent to a Cray XMP just on the video card alone. The alleged promises of stability and security are not going to be enough to justify what they're taking away. I've already decided I will not be installing or supporting Vista for friends or family.

      --
      John
  55. Re:If the review is accurate, the book is revision by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

    Far from being an advantage, the Windows compatibility killed OS/2 because it was the only thing most people saw in it. "It runs Windows better than Windows !" "Well, if it's to run Windows stuff, I'll stick to what I know". End of story.

    Are you seriously suggesting that the OS that ran Windows apps badly (Windows) outsold the OS that ran them well (OS/2) merely because users wanted native apps? Perhaps there's a more plausible reason such as no other PC manufacturer were prepared to preload an OS from one of their competitors - the preloaded OS being the one that is most likely to win due to the hassle of switching OS for the average user.

  56. If You Have To Search For Stupid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU. MUST. BE. STUPID.

    you might have to search for stupid on the level of billions of dollars in losses, though. okay, i'll give him that.

  57. in search of stupidity? by GrumpySimon · · Score: 1

    In search of stupidity? You can all stop looking, I've found it!

  58. Yup... by Greyfox · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I got into OS/2 while doing development for a small company and was an IBM phone support guy and later one of the people who answered questions on the various online networks, so I got to see this all from the inside. IBM had this corporate attitude that PCs were toys and that anyone who wanted to do real computing would buy a mainframe with a "real" OS anyway. Several times I heard developers scoffing at the idea of really trying to do multitasking on a lowly PC.

    AFAIK the only machine you could ever get OS/2 preloaded on was the crappy PS/1 from freaking Sears. That wasn't going to give anyone who used it a good impression of OS/2. The IBM PC division holds a lot of the blame for the death of OS/2. Of course several other IBM divisions did half-assed jobs of porting IBM Windows software to OS/2. Quite often those applications would do huge processing jobs and freeze up the OS due to the single system input queue. Ironically the windows counterparts of those applications ran better in the Windows emulation in OS/2 than the OS/2 versions did under OS/2. If they'd bothered to do their processing in threads and continued to handle system messages they'd never have had those problems.

    Then there the annoying usability issues that IBM never bothered to fix. Hell if you formatted a diskette in OS/2 and left it in the drive over a reboot you'd get an error message like "OS2!!2047/OS2!!2048" during the boot up process and the system would hang. I handled 5 or 6 people a week who had that message on their screen, freaked out and called support. IBM refused to fix it claiming that they had no room on the floppy for an internationalized string library so you HAD to have the numeric error message. I guess so it'd be incomprehensible to everyone. Also, the aforementioned single system input queue -- it seeemd like most OS/2 applications would stop processing messages off the queue and freeze the system up. They came up with a half-assed workaround for it in 3.0 but it never did work as well as it needed to. And the binary-only ini files and extended attributes were a great idea in theory, right up until they got corrupted. Then you may as well just reinstall the damn OS because there was no recovering from that shit. A few of us could beat the system into submission but things would never be the same after your ini files got corrupted.

    They seemed to go out of their way to piss off Team OS/2 as well. Oh there were a few "Believers" in IBM and I was one of 'em. I even did the 95 summer COMDEX on my own dime to provide installation and marketing support for the show (I still have a thank you letter from some VP or other.) But the company just seemed to want to kick that anthill at every turn, too. And grassroots fans can be your best friend but if you piss them off they can also be your worst enemy.

    Yeah I don't think IBM could have done a better job of killing OS/2 if it had tried to. Too bad there's never any accountability in the IT world -- if I were an investor I'd be pretty angry about the lost opportunity to dominate the software industry the way Microsoft currently does.

    --

    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

    1. Re:Yup... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      OS/2 preloaded on... the crappy PS/1 from freaking Sears

      Well, when you say it that way it doesn't sound so great.

  59. Already has an addendum. by kinglink · · Score: 1

    "High Tech Marketing Disasters" Sony's ps3 marketing seems to fit the bill with that. Their PSP marketing would also.

    Say what you want about their products, sony has completely boggled the recent ball. They might have the best system, they might not but the only thing the marketing has done has been to hurt them.

    Time will tell how deep it cuts (as big as Apple's decision to work with Microsoft? probably not. But at least as big as Apple's decision to sell Microsoft stock which undermined a lot of Apple's position)

    I'm sure in recent year's there's been a lot of failed marketting that they can add for the next one. All the Ipod killers and such come to mind quickly. Windows Vista might hit near there too. The real question that he can tackle in his next book is, are current High tech marketing failures only because of poor marketing or is the media also to blame for it?

    1. Re:Already has an addendum. by NineNine · · Score: 1

      Say what you want about their products, sony has completely boggled the recent ball. They might have the best system, they might not but the only thing the marketing has done has been to hurt them.

      That's not true. You and I have no idea if Sony was at all impacted by the GEEK media. All of the PS3's they made sold out instantly. Unless you can time travel, I certainly wouldn't say that Sony has been hurt. I'm wagering that they'll be just as successful with the PS3 as they were with the PS2, if not more so.

  60. Searching for Stupidity? by rising_hope · · Score: 1

    Who needs to search for stupidity? I practically cringe every time I open my eyes with the amount of stupidity around me.

    1. Re:Searching for Stupidity? by spazekaat · · Score: 1

      "Who needs to search for stupidity? I practically cringe every time I open my eyes with the amount of stupidity around me."

              Indeed....I thought it was the second-most abundant thing in the Universe, next to Helium.
              The most abundant is Hydrogen........

  61. Re:If the review is accurate, the book is revision by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 1

    I believe this has something to do with a thing called mindshare.

  62. Searching for Stupidity by klept · · Score: 1

    "In Search of Stupidity..."

    Go to the White House, talk to Ricahard Perle, visit Steve Ballmer -sic, listen to Sara Cox on the BBC, see the latest Julie Roberts movie, move to Spokane WA, etc..

    Generically-- Argue with a fool which sometimes can be most people so never argue at all, expect something for nothing, worry about anything for more than 10 minutes.

    "In search of wisdom and smartness...."

    In politics, always remember no one will do anything unless there's something in it for them -and most of life is politics, never bet more than you can afford to lose- the stock and financial markets, a poker game, etc., be content no matter what the circumstances - harder done than said sometimes, listen to advice very selectively and only to those who might really be informed.

    Lots more suggestions, but if you follow these you shouldnt lose too much money, or waste that much time.

    Happy Holidays!!

  63. Apple, just another cult?... by gondwannabe · · Score: 1
    In the late 80s the company I worked for flirted with moving our DOS-based CAD product line onto the Mac. I remember our one experience working with Apple at a big industry tradeshow - where we were to demo our product inside Apples floorspace. I placed a discete sign atop the monitor with our product name and company logo. Immediately, the partrolling Apple 'minder' swept over and ordered me to remove the little sign. "Why?," I foolishly asked. "It's an Apple request." At every turn we encountered this arrogance when trying to 'partner' with these creeps. We soon decided not to waste time any more dealing with the "annointed ones" who run their business like its a branch of Scientologeee. Once Windows started to become half-ass usable, we had a graphics platform for our next gen producs. Game over. Mac never got much over 12% market share.

    Actually, I loved Apple once and had owned a II-Plus and one of the very first Fat Macs (Wow, 512k!). What I loved was this US company that had build the kind of brand cachet that Sony, Honda and Toyota enjoy. Apple should have gotten completely out of the proprietary hardware business by 1990 and focused on software, product design and marketing. The iPod success proves that Apple is not a computer company but a slick design house. But, what have they learned? - their proprietary meteor will burn bright and quick and, and, it may zune be a flickering 5% player.

    --
    Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people!
  64. CP/M-86 on a PC by MarkusQ · · Score: 1

    You could run regular CP/M-86 on a PC long before the DR release came out, though you had to do a fair amount of patching to link to the BIOS (not unusual for CP/M at the time) if you wanted any sort of I/O at all (e.g., text, write to the floppy, etc.). It mostly just amounted to moving things around so they were in the right registers, calling the hardware BIOS, and moving things back to where they were supposed to be for CP/M.

    The problem was, pre-Google (heck, pre Gopher and news groups) it was a pain in the butt to find about how to do it.

    --MarkusQ

  65. Yes, Re:The entire book is about Microsoft? by twitter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes, if the summary is accurate, the whole book is some kind of, "M$ is the geniuz, and everyone else is the stupid," apology. Every one of those stories is easily dissmissed by use of memory, or reading old articles and the Microsoft Anti-Trust Trials. The destrution of Microsoft's former partners and competitors is mostly a matter of licensing and vendor deals that locked everyone else out. They have paid for those deals again and again and had judgment after judgement thrown at them. Their stratagy of destroying "loss leaders" instead of inventing things is something they brag about to shareholders.

    The inside cover of this book should be a mirror. That way, anyone who's bought this book in a "search for stupidity" will find it when they open it. The publishers and Microsoft will agree.

    --

    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    1. Re:Yes, Re:The entire book is about Microsoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
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    2. Re:Yes, Re:The entire book is about Microsoft? by flnca · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The book isn't that far off from reality. I've seen it all happening myself, watching the computer industry since the early 1980ies.

      And you cannot blame it on the users, per se, either.

      OS/2 was a failure only because IBM canned it too early -- in 1996, just when the market for OS/2 was finally gaining momentum. And nowadays, if OS/2 still existed, it would be the ideal choice for many users who wanted to escape Windows Vista. Also, banks and insurances would still be using OS/2 (being traditional IBM customers).

      Apple and Commodore refused to license their OSes to third parties, which was a grave mistake.

      There were plenty of companies who wanted to build Amiga clones, Amiga laptops and notebooks, and so on, but Commodore declined, for instance. Amigas were used by many people just to run MacOS emulators, because the Amiga handled a greater range of peripherals than MacOS did, and was only half as expensive.

      The Mac's demise started already in the 80ies, when its pricing policy made it unavailable for the general public. This policy extended far into the 90ies, and MacOS simply was too expensive to be a choice for anyone with a small budget.

      This is why Microsoft won against IBM, Apple and Commodore: Windows was comparably cheap, offered more functionality and was easy to develop for.

      But Microsoft now makes the same mistakes as once Apple and Commodore: They resort to restrictive licensing, and high pricing, and thus making Windows unavailable for the general masses; at least to the people who do not want to use a pirated product.

      I migrated to Linux myself because Windows and associated software simply has become too expensive to afford.

      And speaking as a developer, I think that Java currently seems to be the best development platform, because it's platform neutral, and the tools and libraries have great functionality and are well documented.

    3. Re:Yes, Re:The entire book is about Microsoft? by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      Java, yes. I sometimes wonder if we dug up those old java versions of openoffice and netscape, wouldn't they run a lot better on today's superior JVMs? I know of at least two large Java apps that have gone from being overexhausting my machine to not breaking a sweat (JEdit and NetBeans).

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      xkcd is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
    4. Re:Yes, Re:The entire book is about Microsoft? by flnca · · Score: 1

      Yeah, indeed. Java runs much better nowadays. Partially, it's because of the JVM's HotSpot engine, partially it's because the computers nowadays have much higher performance.

      Java's VM isn't ideal, by far (nor is MS's CLR), but the computers nowadays are so fast, that you barely notice you're running a Java application.

      I'm using the Netbeans IDE myself currently, and I'm pleased with that IDE. :-)

      I've given up to try programming in C++ on Linux. The whole automake / configure script stuff is far too complicated for the little spare time that I have.

    5. Re:Yes, Re:The entire book is about Microsoft? by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      Completely agree re: autotools. For my purposes they create more trouble than they solve. Netbeans was annoying to use before because it made my laptop fan spin up to full power for just basic editing. The very same laptop, with a newer JVM (and probably a newer netbeans, true) doesn't spin up the fan at all today. So it's definitively not just hardware that's getting better.

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    6. Re:Yes, Re:The entire book is about Microsoft? by rickchapman · · Score: 1

      Uh, no. The book is not about that. The book looks at important MS disasters in chapter 10 and 12.

      OTOH, when you talk about the collapse of OS/2, the only company to blame is IBM. A multibillion dollar company was beaten at its own game by startup. When IBM was completely screwing up the OS/2 effort it could have squashed MS like a bug.

      Not a disputable point.

      rick chapman
      (the author)

    7. Re:Yes, Re:The entire book is about Microsoft? by mink · · Score: 1

      OS/2 still exists and is available now.

      Where do you think JFS2 came from?

      Check out the badly named (IMO) ecomstation. It is what has become of OS/2.

      --
      Well I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years doctor, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.
  66. Re:If the review is accurate, the book is revision by joto · · Score: 2, Informative

    OS/2 died when Windows 3.0 started getting bundled with new computers. Whatever happened after that was completely irrelevant, and everybody that was involved with computers back then knew it!

    I agree that between the releases of Windows 3.1x and Windows 95, IBM tried a number of desperate marketing campaigns to regain some of their lost mindshare. I don't think they even dared to hope to become "the next windows" anymore, but maybe at least a sizeable alternative. But it was all futile. It didn't matter how much money they spent on advertising, or how many free CDs with full versions of OS/2 they gave out to students and (I guess) other influential computer persons (I got a couple myself). The market had already decided Microsoft was the winner, and that was that.

    (I remember I tried the free CDs I got as a student. There was no doubt, OS/2 was clearly superior. It was more stable, it ran windows programs better than windows, and it ran OS/2 programs even better. The only thing that was wrong about OS/2 was that it was doomed to failure in the market. Everybody knew that. It didn't matter that it was better. It wasn't windows.)

    At the launch date of Windows 95, Microsoft spent so much money it's unbelievable. Untill then, operating system upgrades rarely made important news items, but at august 24, 1995, every fucking TV news show in the world would show pictures from various launch parties around the globe, all paid for by Microsoft corporation. Extremely extravagant, but also extremely succesful. Even though everybody knew OS/2 was doomed long before this gigantic launch, after the launch it became set in stone. People who had never used or even seen a computer would confidently claim that Microsoft was the best operating system producer in the world. You can't argue with facts against such people, and they were the new buyers of computer systems. Even if they had stopped bundling windows with new computers at that time, windows would still had won!

  67. Re:If the review is accurate, the book is revision by Fred_A · · Score: 1

    I was referring to a common theme of the IBM marketing at the time "it runs Windows better than Window" was typically used (at least in Europe) as a central selling point. Yet another IBM blunder.

    When you've got the choice between what you already know, *and* is already on your machine, *and* is already paid for, you're not going to go try some exotic OS that you're going to have to learn how to use just because it has some Windows compatibility mode that's supposedly better than the real thing. The fact that it actually was better than the real thing is irrelevant.

    Not to mention that OS/2 didn't make grown men cry... ;)

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    Made from the freshest electrons.
  68. Much of this is sad, but true... by MadMorf · · Score: 1

    I've been in the business for 24 years, and I've seen all of the above mentioned mistakes as they were happening...

    I am one of those NetWare CNEs, and I love NetWare as surely as anyone can love a bunch of software. It has allowed me to make a good life for myself, but Novell willfully gave their NOS leadership away by snubbing their developers just as Microsoft was wooing them...

    Back in the early 80's, MicroSoft was one of the biggest jokes in the industry. Their programming languages sucked. Their OS sucked. Their productivity packages sucked. And now, not to put too fine a point on it, they ARE the industry.

    Are they predatory monopolists?
    Sure.
    But the only reason the other guys AREN'T is because they were/are incompetent.

    1. Re:Much of this is sad, but true... by cbacba · · Score: 1

      It's been an interesting trek from mickiesofts 8k basic for the altair 8800 computer to windows xp. At least a significant fraction of mickiesoft's success must be directly attributed to their incompetence though. Other factors included being in the right place at the right time, a few good decisions and a few less than nice things.

      How ibm and apple and other competitors managed to do worse is amazing. Gates and associates pretty much blundered their way to success and that startup massive industry needed something, anything, in order to succeed or even to exist.

      While gates probably put the industry ahead by 12-18 months at some points in history, I suspect that the overall score is well into the negative by now, at least in the software arena.

      Perhaps the one most important contribution of mickiesoft and bill gates is the advancements in hardware, processor speed and disk and memory size. Mickiesofts, bloated, slow software and OS's after the advent of windows virtually forced the hardware industry to dramatically increase the speed of processors and memory size.

      When msDos was king, the notion of a 386 computer was considered by many to be too powerful for a desktop and was a waste in such applications. Shades of exploding bodies if passenger train speeds ever reached 45 miles per hour. Try to run windows 3.1 on a 386/33!

      Perhaps the most telling indicator of the mickiesoft technology is that the leading competitor to windows is unix. The basis of Unix is substantially the work product of a 'lost' generation of physics graduates trying to learn how to program. It appears that the reason why windows emulators on unix (or Linux) have not wiped out windows altogether seems to be the difficulty in properly simulating window's bugs in such programs as Wine.

    2. Re:Much of this is sad, but true... by theodorejanderson · · Score: 1

      Exactly!!!!

      NetWare at the time was the NOS!!
      NT 3.1 vs. NetWare was a joke.

      But Novell was so arrogant that they lost the war.

      If Novell would have been smart, they STILL could have owned the NOS market.

      But they are like Apple, has beens.

  69. Re:In terms of marketing blunders... by mkendall · · Score: 1

    Who can top Osborne's "If you think this model is great, just wait to see what we'll have for you next year!"?

    Gerald Ratner and his "it's total crap" speech, perhaps. (Although that was not a high-tech company).

  70. Pub. Date: June 2003 by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 1

    Old news for nerds.

  71. Re:If the review is accurate, the book is revision by mattpalmer1086 · · Score: 1

    And of course, you should never mention your competitor's name in a marketing campaign. What do people remember... what was it now? Windows. Something about Windows.

  72. People lined up around the block to buy a Zune? by brokeninside · · Score: 1

    More e250s, let alone iPods, have been sold than Zunes since the launch. I've neither seen nor heard of a single Zune line up anywhere

  73. I just found it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... it's all over teh interweb

  74. Re:If the review is accurate, the book is revision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know everyone's so keen to say Microsoft are nothing but an evil corporation but they all forget IBM's somewhat sordid past. They were very aggressive in the market and remain so, in as much as they can.

    I don't recall Microsoft assisting the Nazi's exterminate 6 million people... Talk all you like about Microsoft being the devil but it's just talk, metafors and dislike of bad code. IBM really, truly, actually did assist the Nazis, in full knowledge. That's a whole lot worse than making a not so secure OS...

  75. Re:If the review is accurate, the book is revision by theodorejanderson · · Score: 1

    >>>Microsoft already had almost complete control over the desktop before Windows 95 was released.

    True. But Win 95 was soooo bad, and crashed sooooo often- that Apple still could have taken the lead, had they not been (and still are) sooooo short sighted and not licensing the mac OS.

  76. Overall view:MSFT big & bad, Others - plain st by theodorejanderson · · Score: 1

    I read this book last night and today. the book is pretty much in touch with reality.

    Overall view of the author, yes MSFT is big, bad and pretty much unethical. But so are other software companies.
    Oracle and larry ellison are not exactly saints.

    But MSFT could have been defeated not for the shortsightedness and downright stupidity of other software companies.

    It was their battles to lose and they lost.

    Netscape could have beaten MSFT.
    Borland could have beaten MSFT.
    Apple could have beaten MSFT.

    etc. etc. etc.

    Could have, should have.

    But they did not.

  77. Having read the book by Ken_D_Fish · · Score: 1

    ... I found it very entertaining and occasionally informative. My mine gripe is I could have done without the constant, relentless footnotes, which interrupt the text and rarely say anything more than "I [the author] was at that meeting, and I tried to talk xxx [the "stupid" company] out of blah blah blah [the "stupid" decision], but they didn't listen". They serves no purpose other than to annoy the reader and make the author sound just a little smug, in a "ner ner ner I told you so" sense.

    1. Re:Having read the book by theodorejanderson · · Score: 1

      >>constant, relentless footnotes

      Get a grip fella. They were not constant.

      And what then are relentless footnotes????????

    2. Re:Having read the book by rickchapman · · Score: 1

      There are no footnotes like that. I should know, I wrote the book.

      rick chapman
      (the author)

  78. Re:If the review is accurate, the book is revision by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

    So it wasn't being compatible with Windows that killed OS/2 it was the fact that it wasn't on every machine. Thank you now please say that from now on.

  79. The Death of OS/2 and A Decade of Bad Deals. by twitter · · Score: 1

    This is why Microsoft won against IBM, Apple and Commodore: Windows was comparably cheap, offered more functionality and was easy to develop for.

    Windows has never been comparably cheap except as the result of vendor intimidation. Then as now, Microsoft makes sure that every major vendor prices computers with Windoze on them cheaper than anything else. Computers from Dell, for example, still cost more with a no cost OS or even "naked." It is still virtually impossible for large institutions to purchase computers with anything but Windoze preloaded, despite vendors like Lindows and Red Hat who would love to co-operate and give the customer a better deal. Any vendor that tries will instantly be slammed by M$ in every way - they will pay more for M$ licenses and Windoze will develop mysterious problems on the platforms.

    --

    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

  80. Re:The Death of OS/2 and A Decade of Bad Deals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    twitter, please read this carefully. Following this advice will make Slashdot a better place for everyone, including yourself.

    • As a representative of the Linux community, participate in mailing list and newsgroup discussions in a professional manner. Refrain from name-calling and use of vulgar language. Consider yourself a member of a virtual corporation with Mr. Torvalds as your Chief Executive Officer. Your words will either enhance or degrade the image the reader has of the Linux community.
    • Avoid hyperbole and unsubstantiated claims at all costs. It's unprofessional and will result in unproductive discussions.
    • A thoughtful, well-reasoned response to a posting will not only provide insight for your readers, but will also increase their respect for your knowledge and abilities.
    • Always remember that if you insult or are disrespectful to someone, their negative experience may be shared with many others. If you do offend someone, please try to make amends.
    • Focus on what Linux has to offer. There is no need to bash the competition. Linux is a good, solid product that stands on its own.
    • Respect the use of other operating systems. While Linux is a wonderful platform, it does not meet everyone's needs.
    • Refer to another product by its proper name. There's nothing to be gained by attempting to ridicule a company or its products by using "creative spelling". If we expect respect for Linux, we must respect other products.
    • Give credit where credit is due. Linux is just the kernel. Without the efforts of people involved with the GNU project , MIT, Berkeley and others too numerous to mention, the Linux kernel would not be very useful to most people.
    • Don't insist that Linux is the only answer for a particular application. Just as the Linux community cherishes the freedom that Linux provides them, Linux only solutions would deprive others of their freedom.
    • There will be cases where Linux is not the answer. Be the first to recognize this and offer another solution.

    From http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/docs/HOWTO/Advoca cy

  81. Re:The Death of OS/2 and A Decade of Bad Deals. by flnca · · Score: 1

    Microsoft gives its resellers major rebates on Windows licenses. I've seen it myself once, a friend of mine was a Microsoft reseller, and he got genuine Windows (95 or NT) OEM licenses for $5 each!! Preinstalling Linux usually is more difficult for vendors who are used to preinstalling Windows. Pricing is also often a result of expected sales. I.e. a reseller might offer Linux PCs at a higher price than Windows PCs, simply because they don't expect to sell as much Linux PCs as Windows PCs. That Windows would behave weird on particular vendor's machines has more to do with the vendor being unable to install it properly, I think. I used to read a German computer magazine called "c't" (Magazine for Computer Technology) and they never once found a computer on which Windows was installed properly. I think this speaks volumes, especially when you think about big companies like Dell, Acer, HP, and so on that sell Windows PCs. Installing Windows can require some expertise, especially when it comes to installing only the latest drivers, making sure the system configuration is consistent and robust, and the BIOS settings are correct, the mainboard and peripheral flash BIOSes (if applicable) are patched to the latest versions, installing all Windows updates, and antivirus protection that isn't a resource hog, etc. Installing Linux is far easier, but also takes some expertise. And usually, when you build a computer you would have to fully check the setup and make sure that everything works. Until such a installation tasks and installation verification tasks are automated, it is unlikely that PC resellers can make PCs that give the user consistent, fully working systems. IMO.

  82. Re:If the review is accurate, the book is revision by rickchapman · · Score: 1


    +++How did IBM lose? They stuck to schedule and attempted to uphold their standards of software functionality before releasing it onto the public.+++

    This, of course, is a complete fantasy. IBM had their own release date problems and Big Blue TAUGHT the industry about how to use FUD as a marketing tool.

    rick chapman
    (The author)
    www.insearchofstupidity.com