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Corporate America Not Ready For Vista

thefickler writes to point out a TechBlorge article about a study indicating how few corporate computers now deployed are capable of running Windows Vista. The article says that the study, by Softchoice, will be released next week. The study found that 50% of the PCs inventoried (from a sample of 112,000 from 472 organizations) are below Vista's basic system requirements. Roughly half of those PCs will need to be replaced outright to run Vista. 94% of corporate PCs are not ready for Vista Premium Edition. The article notes that the need to upgrade hardware "could... mean that organizations will hold off upgrading to Windows Vista until their next hardware refresh," as some analysts have been saying for a while now.

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  1. Not ready for IE7 either by eples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Corporations aren't ready for IE7, either.

    This stuff takes time. Let's do IE7 first, Microsoft. Then push Vista down our throats.

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    1. Re:Not ready for IE7 either by Marrshu · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nonsense! They must push new DRM measures to prevent corporate workers from watching unautorized porn videos at work.

    2. Re:Not ready for IE7 either by twiddlingbits · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which raises the question..are there AUTHORIZED porn videos for work? Maybe if you work for a porn website?

    3. Re:Not ready for IE7 either by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why should they wait? Let them push their products and wait for their revenues if they wish?

      Lacking Vista sales is their problem, not ours.

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    4. Re:Not ready for IE7 either by pilgrim23 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Recently our shop took a perfectly functional, and working softwre interface down replacing it with a bug riddenm not ready for prime time and STILL doesn't work right months later .NET product. The Microsoft or no soft mindset is alive and well so as you see, we are ready to implement Vista, IE 7, or Tooth Fairy 4.0 as long as it shines with the light reflected from Ballmer's bald spot...

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    5. Re:Not ready for IE7 either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Google has a clause in the employee agreement for search quality folks that their work may involve looking at porn, even if inadvertently.

    6. Re:Not ready for IE7 either by wordsnyc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Absolutely. It's like hearing about a train derailment on the other side of town.

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  2. Their main market? by tmandry · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...and the workplace is really Windows' main market. I'm willing to guess that at least half their profits come from corporations. The question is, why do they seem to be switching targets?

    1. Re:Their main market? by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Windows is not switching targets. Corporations are trying to get by with the low end systems like Celeron , 256 - 512 ram, and gma And that was good for the 4-5 year old xp but not for the new and bloated windows vista.

      Also M$ needs some thing to stand up to OSX.

    2. Re:Their main market? by igb · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The computer industry needs to face up to the fact that computers are now `good enough'. For most current desktop purposes --- email, word processing of small documents, web browsing, running corporate applications (usually client/server) and so on, a 2006-spec PC will do the job. There's not been a compelling feature in desktop Windows since NT 5 --- witness the reluctance for Windows 2000 shops to move to XP --- nor in Office since 2000. Except for providing toys for your younger employees to play with (a dubious benefit), why would any shop with >1GHz machines running NT>=5 and office >=2000 want to upgrade? How would you show the cost/benefit?

      ian

    3. Re:Their main market? by twiddlingbits · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cost/benefit of upgrading could be better warranty, better vendor support, both of which may mean lower support costs. Support costs are big factors in what gets chosen. How about less power use by the newest generation of CPUs and hard drives, when a company has 1000's of Desktops that power bill is a factor. Also products reach End-Of-Life where they are no longer supported by the vendor. Those would be my Top 3 reasons to upgrade.

      I too don't see a lot of Apps (except Windows bloatware) forcing upgrades. Which I hope is good news for Linux on the Corporate Desktop. With GNOME and other GUIs, OpenOffice and various other open source "office" applications you can have the same functions as a Windows PC but need a lot less CPU and Memory. And the cost to "license" Linux and the apps is a heck of a lot lower than MS products not to mention the GPL (and CDL) and not nearly as bad as the MS shrinkware licenses.

    4. Re:Their main market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree but many companies use the "newest and greatest" to attract talent. Potential employees want it wether it is needed or not. The fact that a P3/1Ghz is more then enough to run XP/2000, MS Office and a few company specific specialized apps is not relavent (my company had Compaq EN815's which were that spec a few years ago and they worked fine). A person fresh out of a top tier law school looking for a prestigous place to work is going to use technology capabilities and gadgets as one of the deciding factors. There is a huge amount of surveys and reports about potential employers and what they offer and how the existing employees use and adapt to technology. Everyone in the industry reads it.
      See how excited a magna cum laude or summa cum laude gets when you tell him/her that you have 5 year old laptops and are running Windows 2000.
      To be honest, I'm only an IT person with no honors and I would second guess going that was still using Windows 2000 for the primary desktop platform.

      Aside from the attract talent motive to upgrade, there is always just as many companies that upgrade just to do it and ROI is not even considered. You will never be fired for choosing MS or considering using the "newest" version.

    5. Re:Their main market? by Nordrick+Framelhamme · · Score: 3, Insightful
      They are doing this because M$' entire business model is based on SELLING their OS and/or application suites.

      As the market reaches saturation point, as it likely has given how long Windows eXPploitable has been out, the income from such software starts to drop off. Therefore the income stream has to be boosted again by releasing a "new" product.

      By making it seem that the new OS ias more secure than the last, not really a hard task given M$'s track record thus fare, they hope to lure in the flashing lights and shiny dudads brigade, namely upper management dolts who have as much technical clue and the average ant and who are attracted to fake exteriors, as evidenced by the trophy wives on many arms. These PHB's fall for the vendors marketing slimeballs blather and the sales droids blandishments and force the IT department to roll out the whole unholy mess on the poor suffering masses that actually do the work.

    6. Re:Their main market? by OfNoAccount · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Computers, like most complex devices have a failure rate that forms a bell curve - most failures either occur at the start of the product lifespan (in which case it'll be covered by the warranty), or towards the end. Those 1GHz machines are starting to get into unreliable territory.

      Usually around the time that machines start failing, spare parts also become harder to find. When did you last see a new PII-400? Or perhaps a new Slot1 motherboard? If you can find a new one it'll probably cost more than a whole new machine!

      You may also find that new perhiperals may not be compatible - maybe the drivers require a recent OS to install, or you need a port that those old machines don't have.

      Finally, as has already been mentioned, given a choice between two identical companies, one with the latest computers and flat screens, and another with crap machines and blurry 15" CRT's - it's not rocket science to work out which I'd prefer. A few years ago, I worked at one of the latter - my developer friend had a 386DX40 w4Mb/RAM as his NT4 devbox, logon might take 15mins, compilation may happen overnight - the target customer boxen were dual P133 w/128Mb. I was alpha testing the software under Win95, and the customer was running NT - needless to say sometimes something that tested fine on my system wouldn't even install on theirs... New computers are pretty cheap compared with the losses of key staff turnover, and frustrated clients!

    7. Re:Their main market? by Sj0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "In this slide, we can see the huge penis you'll get if you buy this product."

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    8. Re:Their main market? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ..and the workplace is really Windows' main market. I'm willing to guess that at least half their profits come from corporations. The question is, why do they seem to be switching targets?

      Their market isn't the workplace, it's PCs everywhere. That market is saturated with Windows, and their product will continue to go onto newly built PCs until and unless something that makes a suitable replacement comes along.

      That means they don't need to build new stuff for the user. They will get their money anyways. They're going to keep getting paid for Windows licenses as long as Windows remains the dominant platform with no more functionality than they have now.

      What they ARE doing is selling their users out to media companies. They are getting paid by those companies to put support for powerful DRM on every computer around the planet so there will exist a market for DRM media. They are getting paid for this as added revenue on top of the "Windows and Office" tax.

      They believe that they can get paid by third parties to design Windows so it will intentionally fuck over the people who use it and we will still buy it same as always.

      Chances are, they are right.

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    9. Re:Their main market? by techno-vampire · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You must have worked for a very strange company. From what I can see, the developers normally get big muscular machines (by then current standards) so they can do their work faster. Then, they design programs and systems that only work acceptably on their machines, not on those the target audience is expected to have.

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    10. Re:Their main market? by rm69990 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I would say that if MS is correct in asserting that vista won't need A/V software, which I highly doubt, that would justify an upgrade. I hope you're kidding, as Jim Alchin promptly disputed that he said anything to that effect, and it was shown that he didn't.

      http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061111-8199 .html

      The state of internet journalism is truly pathetic.
    11. Re:Their main market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perhaps what you said is true for certain types of IT graduates. For most other employees, the kind of OS their employer offers is a non-issue.

      Pay, benefits, name recognition, prospects, upward mobility opportunities, afterhours compensation, lunchroom selection, breakroom coffee/soda quality, company junkets, types of hand moisturizers in the restroom -- important.
      Type of OS deployed? -- HELL no.

      In particular, what you said is not true for pharmaceutical jobs. We use win 2k for personal workstations, *NIX on all servers, NT4.0 and *NIX to run 50% of instruments, the other 50% running off 98/95. And we still use 3.11 to run mass-specs. I am yet to see an XP computer or a Mac.

      Background: I graduated 2006 with a BSci in Biochem, and now work for a large pharm. company , making over $80,000/year.

    12. Re:Their main market? by livewire98801 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only thing that I've really noticed between Office 2000, XP and 2003 is the UI keeps changing. The program seems to work exactly the same, after checking a few boxes in 2k that are default in 2k3.

      OTOH, this UI changing has been slowly driving me mad. Seems like the only thing MS does on releasing a new version of Outlook (or any of the other Office apps) is make the edges softer on the UI and move all the menu items around! I can see restructuring the menu if your functionality demands it, but it seems that's all MS does!

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    13. Re:Their main market? by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      HUH? warranty? there is none. other than hardware. NOBODY gives OS support warranties.

      Better vendor support?? what? If your vendors cant support 2000 then you need to find better vendors right away. there is NO REASON outside of some very very tiny reasons. Adobe tried to claim you had to run XP for their Premier product. a simple hack to fake out their OS detection is all that is needed to Run Premier Pro under windows 2000. Every single business APP out there runs perfectly under windows 2000.

      Windows 2000 + Office 2000 is incredibly fast on today's el-cheapo hardware. Outlook opens in a 1/2 second compared to the 35 seconds on my Core Duo workstation that has U320 SCSI drives.

      MAny of us refuse to take the performance hit that new Microsoft products come with. Even the latest Autocad still runs fine under windows 2000.

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    14. Re:Their main market? by tftp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The "secure" argument may work with home users - who don't upgrade anyway, outside of buying a new box. However in a corporate setting all Win machines are behind layers of firewalls and proxies, running antiviruses, so that problem had been solved already. Vista gives nothing to the corporate user, and takes some things away, and requires massive upgrades. So there is absolutely zero advantage in upgrading, until the ISVs start dropping XP apps (not any time soon yet.)

  3. Why release to business first? by Thyrus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why do Microsoft always release to businesses first? I know that businesses will not use Vista until SP1 at the earliest surely one of the worlds largest companies should know this. I would imagine with their inside knowledge of Vista they will be staying away until SP2 anyway.

    1. Re:Why release to business first? by reemul · · Score: 2, Informative

      Big corporations are going to take months if not a year or more to actually start a large-scale rollout of any major software change, much less a new operating system. MS and everyone else releases to them early so they can start the process. (Well, and it makes the companies feel special.) The corps will test on boxes that approximately match what they think will be on the desks when the new system would go into production, not what is there now. They're the ones that drive the patches and the service packs, testing with so many possible interactions with different application packages. Small companies and home users will likely just be running common stuff that is tested for in the QA lab, and they'll still find bugs anyway.

      And the biggest corps of all will ask for lame features just to prove how big and powerful they are, to get MS to give in to something stupid. Better to get those out of the way before you release to manufacturing. (You thought it was the 5 employee legal office that asked for the 3 pages of menus to set all those intricate rules for bullet points in Word? It was probably the secretary of some high level exec at a customer with several thousand desks to push software to.)

      Of course they'll wait for a big patch package or SP before they'll roll out. It gives them time for other people to find the bugs by hitting them first, so they don't have to. If that sounds mean, consider that this QA model is pretty much how a lot of open source projects work, the lots-of-eyeballs model. It's still herding sheep through the minefield looking to see what goes boom. OSS guys just feel better about finding a flaw, like they are part of the team.

      As an aside, I used to be a QA guy. I liked actually getting paid to find bugs, not simply doing it because it made me feel warm and tingly. I reported a bug to Real Networks once, looking to see if they had a fix. They wanted me to walk through the steps to reproduce the error since they hadn't see it before, I told them what my rates were. The phone call ended pretty soon afterward.

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    2. Re:Why release to business first? by dan828 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The big reason for pushing out the business editions first was because MS sold a lot of Software Assurance licenses with the understanding that Vista upgrades would be included. The first licenses are going to begin expiring this month, so MS would have been in the position of having to extend those licenses to meet their promises. The enterprise sector would have looked on software assurance for the OS as being just a bill of goods that MS was trying to sell them if Vista hadn't shipped within the license date.

  4. What about Universities? by reaktor · · Score: 2, Informative

    They are like corporations, size-wise. Heck one of my last schools just recently made the switch from Windows 2000 to XP SP2. I begged them to get rid of Netscrap and use Firefox on the computers, but the IT department said no. I don't know why Universities want to hang on to Netscape so much. Nescrap and new Win XPSP2. That's the computing life in public US Universities. So it will be at least two years before Vista makes it to computers there.

  5. Vista is the new ME by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "article about a study indicating how few corporate computers now deployed are capable of running Windows Vista"

    That's exactly the point. They want businesses to toss away the old computers and buy new ones with Vista. The know that if they try and release Vista into the public market first, it will flop as badly as ME did because it brings no significant improvements over XP, while it takes away features, and adds bad things like PVP DRM.

    1. Re:Vista is the new ME by Vancorps · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's all well and good, but what features exactly were taken away in Vista that were found in XP? How is playback of encrypted content a bad thing? Is there some magic mechanism which disables your ability to play unencrypted content?

      You may very well be right in that MS wants people to buy new hardware although this makes very little sense given that Microsoft is not primarily a hardware company. This type of move would make sense if Apple did it given that they provide both but in your context I just see one logical leap after the next.

      Of course I could be the one that's way off base, I'll leave it to you to decide that.

    2. Re:Vista is the new ME by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 3, Informative

      "That's all well and good, but what features exactly were taken away in Vista that were found in XP?"
      It won't work on computers already in place in businesses, so that's a heck of a feature retraction. I consider backward hardware compatibility an important feature.

        "How is playback of encrypted content a bad thing? Is there some magic mechanism which disables your ability to play unencrypted content?"
      It's called DRM. Protected Video Path will one day require users to have a certain new monitor to play their store bought movies and video content. When Microsoft and software vendors decide what you get to play unencrypted on your computer, it's not even your own computer anymore.

    3. Re:Vista is the new ME by shywolf9982 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Microsoft saw that newer machines were largely going to waste with CPU usage below even 1% so they decided that they could utilize more of it and make the user experience more enjoyable.

      However I agree with your post, I have to correct you on this issue:

      1. average cpu utilization will be as low as it currently is with vista. Effects are calculated when actually someone does something (like moving windows, pulling down menus and whatever else), not if the computer is idle.
      2. so effects are drawn when the cpu gets busy, hence not alleviating at all the "burst effect" we currently see on cpu usage
      3. the burst effect isn't bad at all (see cpu freq scaling)
      4. all the effects calculation are made using the 3d power of the GPU through direct3d
      5. effects were added because users like it. I've been using XGL and AIGLX for several months, and now everytime i fall back onto a non-accelerated desktop I feel bad (btw, you don't know how addictive the rotating desktop and/or wobbly windows can become)
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    4. Re:Vista is the new ME by RobertLTux · · Score: 4, Informative

      did you hapen to know that bitlocker is basically volume level DRM? so that means if any of the following happens

      1 you lose the password to the account and your "root" admin gets run over by a bus
      2 some random Zero day borks the account
      3 a DDOS on the authentication server burns your block of COA serials
      4 Microsoft just one day "decides" that your system is unauthorized (maybe you are in Their way)

      You are shall we say "traversing the proverbial polluted tributary without visible means of propulsion" or "afixed via a rotated metal rod with a spiral fin"

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    5. Re:Vista is the new ME by Foolhardy · · Score: 4, Interesting
      That's all well and good, but what features exactly were taken away in Vista that were found in XP?
      The backup program has been nerfed, for one. I'll summarize what I posted on the Shell: revealed forums (a forum set up by MS late in Vista development to get feedback on the RCs) as of RC2 that Vista Backup (stclt.exe) can't do but ntbackup.exe from previous versions of Windows (which is not included and not compaitble with Vista) could:
      • You can't actually select the files you want to back up. You have to pick an ambigious category of files or back up the entire hard disk.
      • You can't backup EFS encrypted files, either in their raw format or unencrypted. NTBackup could archive the encrypted form, for use with seperately archived keys.
      • It's unclear if it backs up extended attributes, alternate file streams, security descriptors, reparse points, and hardlinks.
      • It can't back up registry hives, except in a full-system backup.
      • The scheduling options are much less flexible than before.
      • You can only include local (not network) files in an archive.
      • The help is awful: there are at least two different hyperlink-in-dialog style help links that both go to a single generic FAQ that doesn't actually include the linked questions.
      • You can only back up to DVD or network, or for non-full backups: CD. Nothing else. You can't put the archive on another hard disk. NTBackup let you put the archive anywhere. The question of why you can't use a HD is one of the unanswered question links.
      • You need admin access to back up your OWN files. Another unanswered question link pretends to offer the rationale for this.
      • Vista backup doesn't seem to have any command line support. NTBackup had tons.
    6. Re:Vista is the new ME by Scudsucker · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's an interesting view of reality you have there. You believe Microsoft invented the hardware restrictions that the MPAA and RIAA are trying to force down our throats?

      Hmm. Palladium. Product activation. Windows Genuine Advantage. Plays for Sure. Microsoft has been pushing DRM (weren't they the ones who came up with the term?) with or without the backing of the AA's for years.

      Backwards compatibility is not a feature, if you're going to complain about it then let's have a discussion about computers unable to run SUSE 10.1. Why can't I run it on my 386? or my 486?

      Because that's a dumb comparison. No one wants to run a new operating system on a 20 year old processor. However, plenty of people will want to be able to run new operating systems on three to four year old hardware - hardware that was new during Longhorn's/Vista's development. What's so unreasonable about that?

  6. Corporate America Not Ready For Vista by Bradac_55 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How's that different from Win2K and WinXP? Same thing happened then. Microsoft's monopoly isn't on good software it's there ability to tie up all the major hardware vendors into all or nothing licenses to push Windows on new computer sales. It must be another slow news day.

  7. From the Captain Obvious department by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article notes that the need to upgrade hardware "could... mean that organizations will hold off upgrading to Windows Vista until their next hardware refresh."

    Well ... duh.

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    1. Re:From the Captain Obvious department by aj50 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This is exactly the point the article is missing.

      Vista needs to be out now, so that next time people roll round to a hardware refresh, Vista is available.

      Why do people seem to think that this is dumb?

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  8. I honestly can't think of any corporation... by Durrok · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... that I have worked for that has changed operating systems on anything besides their servers except when they did a hardware "refresh" (read: PC broke). I know the company I work for is getting ready to start using Vista on their new PCs that they order when Microsoft stops letting HP put it on their PCs but until then it's XP.

    Hell now that I think about it, I got rid of the last NT 4.0 machine just two months ago. Unless your corporation is very small you keep PCs around until they die or become so obsolete they can no longer run the programs you need them to. In this case we had an active directory upgrade so we had to get rid of all the NT 4.0 machines as they were no longer going to work with the upgrade.

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    1. Re:I honestly can't think of any corporation... by Vancorps · · Score: 2, Informative

      The total cost is higher in your scenario but the cost per machine is much much lower.

  9. Vista Premium? by trimbo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "94% of corporate PCs are not ready for Vista Premium Edition"

    This analysis must be right, because there is no Vista Premium Edition. Outside of Home editions, there's only Business and Ultimate.

    I've been running Business and Ultimate for a while, on machines with 512M-2G of RAM, and haven't had issues on any configuration. I install it because I'm a chronic early adopter and because I work for a software company.

    Anyway, like home users, businesses will upgrade as they buy more machines that have Vista pre-installed. No new news here.

  10. J. Random CIO's thoughts: by paeanblack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1) My users are finally getting comfortable with XP.

    2) My staff doesn't need the hassles of a mixed environment right now.

    3) I'm not seeing what Vista will actually *do* for me over XP.

    4) I don't the the budget headroom for an off-cycle hardware overhaul.

    5) I'm unwilling to perform the carnal acts necessary to get that extra funding.

    6) I'm not deploying another MS OS before the first service pack.

    1. Re:J. Random CIO's thoughts: by afidel · · Score: 3, Informative

      3) I'm not seeing what Vista will actually *do* for me over XP.
      Bitlocker for laptops
      Better power management via group policy for desktops, just to name two biggies
      5) I'm unwilling to perform the carnal acts necessary to get that extra funding.
      Unless you need hardware upgrades there likely won't be a funding need since the upgrade is likely covered under your SA agreement.
      6) I'm not deploying another MS OS before the first service pack.
      This one if completely legit =)

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    2. Re:J. Random CIO's thoughts: by tftp · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Working as a CIO here, I can comment:

      Bitlocker for laptops

      Neither wanted nor permitted, ever. Employees do not own the work files, the company does. EFS is OK as long as recovery keys are available and user's own keys are backed up. BitLocker gives the keys to the user, and expects the user to maintain the backups (such as on a Flash disk, per MS's recommendation.) There is no reason, from corporate POV, to permit this.

      Better power management via group policy for desktops, just to name two biggies

      This is not even on the radar, and existing computers can already be configured to do the right power scheme for you. Group policy is important when things change often; but this power scheme can be on the Windows image that you used to install (clone) from.

      Unless you need hardware upgrades there likely won't be a funding need since the upgrade is likely covered under your SA agreement.

      Yes, but you forgot the compatibility testing and user training. If you use tons of apps how can you be sure they all work on Vista, given your configuration and usage pattern? I have one mission-critical app that runs only on Win2K - not NT 4 and not XP! It controls now obsolete piece of hardware (no upgrades from the vendor) so I guess we are stuck with Win2K until the hardware dies.

  11. Irrelevant by plasmana · · Score: 2, Informative

    Large/medium sized corporations rarely "upgrade" their workstations. They roll out new hardware periodically. I imagine that most will roll them out as Vista PC's.

  12. What about... by postmortem · · Score: 5, Funny

    Corporate Africa? Are they ready?

    1. Re:What about... by Almahtar · · Score: 3, Funny

      They've all got Ubuntu :-)

  13. Re:Look, I'm a psychic guru! by Ironsides · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Last place I worked, All the PCs had at least 512MB, and those were 4 years old. That vast majority had 1GB and the ones that just came in this year had 2GB. 4 year replacement cycle and every PC in that building should be capable of running Vista.

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  14. That isn't the computing life in my university by technoextreme · · Score: 2, Interesting
    That's the computing life in public US Universities.
    Says you. My university has Macs, Unix computers, and of course Windows.
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  15. Spend $ on Vista, or on necessities? My choice. by lancejjj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Upgrading to Vista from our current XP standard is a non-starter. There is no way that I'm interested in upsetting my worker's day-to-day productivity by having a desktop admin perform an upgrade. If my employees cost me $500/day each (with salary, benefits, and per-employee expenses such as office space), and they lose a day's worth of productivity, then upgrading to Vista is an extreme waste of money (since I don't see any benefit).

    I'm sure I'll start to move to Vista once I start procuring new hardware. But I have good equipment now. The benefit of brand new Desktop PC's for my people isn't clear at all to me. I'll replace my old equipment once it makes sense to do so, but I'm not going to drop $2000 on a new desktop until I can see a clear benefit in doing so. I'd rather allocate that money to something that can make a real difference to operations (like bonuses).

    Maybe I'll see a Vista productivity benefit in six months - or maybe in two years. But right now, I say "no way" to an upgrade - it looks like a money sink to me.

  16. TCO is waaaay out of line. by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The OS itself is priced way out of line but then when you factor in all new hardware, it's insane.
    I've talked to several customers of mine and many of them just bought new machines in the last 18 months.
    They have no intentions of replacing them all over again just to run this new OS that's not all that revolutionary.
    I'll bet that's the general consensus. In general of course.

  17. Some people are happy about this, I am sure. by elgee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Linux crowd for instance. If this doesn't drive more companies to Linux, I am not sure what will.

  18. Re:Spend $ on Vista, or on necessities? My choice. by mythosaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    $2000 desktops? Good lord.

    Few organizations are going to go and re-image every computer with Vista. What's going to happen is that every company of significant size that regularly purchaes machines from a large vendor is going to start getting Vista LICENSES shipped to them with their regular purchases of hardware. Your large-organization IT staff is going to keep deploying the standard image while stockpiling Vista licenses and working on the "when the suits are ready" Vista image.

    And, those $500 Dells that big organizations give to their employees - they're all quite up to snuff for running Vista. Optiplex 6xx series desktops have been good to go with Vista for while a while.

    Oh, sure, some organizations might never move to Vista, but they're going to be buying Vista licences (and Office 2007 licenses) when they buy their machines. That's the nature of the beast for people far enough up the ladder to be VLA/Select. It doesn't mean we'll deploy them - but we're sure going to be buying those licenses.

    Our standard will remain XP for the next, oh, two years. Then we'll start delivering new machines with Vista, and making an effort to retire any Windows 2000 machines still in service. Of course, we're still about 2% Windows 9x, but it takes time to change out 25,000 desktops running hundreds of different pieces of software at dozens of different facilities.

  19. we are holding off by p51d007 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Our company isn't in any hurry to upgrade, nor are a lot of companies I talk to. Most like ours, have spent a lot of capital in the last 24 months upgrading from NT4 to XP, from Office 2000 to Office 2003. We have XP tweaked out, locked down, patched up and running perfectly, sort of the way we had NT4/Office2000 tweaked. If we were to upgrade to Vista, to get the same performance, we would have to dump an extra 512 meg of ram into every box, since we have them running 512meg now. XP for our purposes runs pretty well with 512 meg of ram, but on a couple of test boxes, 512 meg with Vista is like running XP on 256. Yeah it runs, but you do a lot of swapping. For now, we are holding off on Vista/Office07, until at the earliest Q2 of 07. Any NEW computers bought/built, will be built with an OS update in mind, but will come configured with XP, NOT Vista.

  20. Not where I work....yet by Nordrick+Framelhamme · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I know my employer won't be upgrading any time soon. In fact the main reason we are using XP is because the hardware supplier we use switched to a chipset that did not include drivers for NT.

    As we are looking at moving to a 3 year rollover on hardware most of the hardware will not be Vista ready for at least the next two years, by which times there will be at least 2 service packs and numerous packs for the inevitable MSism in the OS.

  21. Good news! by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally, I think the Vista requirements are insane for business machines. They are pretty stupid even for gaming machines. I have no idea how they are going to build Vista-ready laptops that actually get some hours of battery life. There is no need for these specs, except that MS needs to give users a ''new experience'' by any means necessary, since theri business model is fundamentally flawed.

    What MS forgets, or has to ignore, is that a PC is a tool. A tool schould behave the same over a long time. You don't want a new ''experience'' every few years. You want to mater the tool once and then keep using it for a very long time. Hence you want it to work the same over a very long time.

    This will prompt more people to look for alternatives to MSes greed and insanity.

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  22. "Premium Edition"? by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Informative

    94% of corporate PCs are not ready for Vista Premium Edition

    1. There is no such thing as a "Vista Premium Edition".
    2. If they mean the closest -- "Vista Home Premium Edition", that's not supposed to be a common Vista edition for corporations.
    3. Are these talking about meeting recommendations or requirements? I see few corporations being willing to run Aero Glass, and without that, you can easily get by with 512 MB or 1 GB RAM and no special graphics card to speak of (assuming it meets XP requirements).

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    1. Re:"Premium Edition"? by sharkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      FWIW, Aero Glass runs just fine on 512MB of RAM, as long as you have a display adapter that can do it (128MB RAM, WDM compatible). At least on RC1 it does.

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  23. Re:J. Hasaclue CIO responds: by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2, Interesting
    (I am not saying the OP does not have a clue. We are in agreement here, at least to some degree, from what I can see. I'm just adding the next logical step in the analysis.)

    1) My users are finally getting comfortable with XP.
    That is a lot like getting comfortable with a thorn in your foot. It is not comfort; merely numbness.

    2) My staff doesn't need the hassles of a mixed environment right now.
    They are going to have to switch to Linux at some point. There is no time like the present to start the process.

    3) I'm not seeing what Vista will actually *do* for me over XP.
    Why, it will run the very latest spyware and viruses, of course :-) It will make us allow us to pay heaps of money for newer versions of software just because M$ wants our cash.

    4) I don't the the budget headroom for an off-cycle hardware overhaul.
    Even with the budget, why waste the money? Switch to Linux. Lower TCO. No need to waste money on new hardware.

    5) I'm unwilling to perform the carnal acts necessary to get that extra funding.
    Clearly your CEO is not a hot babe :-)

    6) I'm not deploying another MS OS before the first service pack.
    We are not deploying another Windows O.S. ever. We would have to be fools to move to Vista rather than Linux!
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  24. Re:Vista is Broken in Many Ways by mpapet · · Score: 4, Informative

    Let's start with some facts:

    Vista's *six* SKU's are sold in various states of disabledness. For example, if you want to use a DVD burner, you must upgrade. Hmmm,.no matter the version of XP you could use a DVD burner... That's just one of many restrictions.

    Let's move to your clearly uninformed question: "Is there some magic mechanism which disables your ability to play unencrypted content?"

    Why, yes there is! The latest WMP phones home to MS when you play a song and catalogs your content. When the inevitable OS reinstall happens and you attempt to play the same songs you get some bad news. It seems it's okay to play the music on that "other" OS install, but not this one. You agree to this when you click-through licenses. Here's a link to a guy that experienced it. http://www.bandddesigns.com/blogger/arch/002942.ht ml
    Here's Microsoft's SDK http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url= /library/en-us/wmpsdk11/mmp_sdk/glossary.asp Search the term "component enforces those rights." on the page.

    Now, Microsoft and their media friends are taking away your right to first sale as secretly as possible. Vista will help them meet that end very nicely. Set top boxes and a variety of media subscription models will help greatly as well. Add in dragging some children into court and consider it done.

    I assure you, this is only the beginning. Please consider using another OS that ensures your current freedoms. Many Linux distros are good,

    I'm sure the above-average PHB senses this anyway. Which is part of the reason the Vista uptake will be so slow.

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  25. Power Use? by twitter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Proposed justification of Visat/Hardware purchase:

    How about less power use by the newest generation of CPUs and hard drives, when a company has 1000's of Desktops that power bill is a factor.

    "Vista Ready" machines are going to suck more power, not less. The demand much greater clock rates, video support and RAM. Compare this to the average coporate network full of PIIIs more or less. "Vista Premium" of course is much worse.

    I'll believe the better power management hype when I see it in operation. If M$ cared about your electric bill, ACPI and WOL would already work. When I can buy a desktop from Dell that works that way, I'll say it's about time.

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    1. Re:Power Use? by twiddlingbits · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Obviously you know very little about Hardware. Faster CPUs these days are comsuming LESS Power, Memory is consuming less but not as much so as CPUs, Hard Drives are smaller and use less energy (smaller = less mass = less energy to get to speed), video uses LCD flat screens which pull a hell of a lot less power than a CRT. Go look at the Power Consumption of a PIII and of say an Athlon or Opteron and I think it will show you what I mean. Power Management while in operation is an entirely different subject.

    2. Re:Power Use? by twitter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Faster CPUs these days are comsuming LESS Power, Memory is consuming less but not as much so as CPUs, Hard Drives are smaller and use less energy (smaller = less mass = less energy to get to speed) ...

      This has always been the case, but power requirements for Microsoft systems have climbed from 150 to 500 watts over the last fifteen years. Most of it has been driven by Microsoft bloat, which has delivered the same features at ever greater clock cycle cost. I'm writing this on a PII laptop. Debian Etch runs well on it but XP won't even install. At the same time, I doubt you can show me a Vista ready laptop that uses less than 50 watts as this one does.

      The most important thing missing from your list is GPUs which can consume up to 350 watts on their own. If you are going to Vista, you are doing it for games and eye candy and want a super card. Vista computers are going to suck power, as the usual M$ upgrade does.

      Outside the M$ world, people are doing more with less. Playstation manages to provide outstanding graphics while Xbox is setting carpets on fire.

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  26. To me, Vista needs one key thing. by CFD339 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are some things Vista could have that would really draw me in. Sadly, I can't seem to find out if any of these are part of the product or not. In posting this, I'm hoping someone can either answer or point me to an answer for some of the questions.

    Number one on my Windows Vista wish list is that they virtualize the screen more.

    What I want is actually very simple. I want to tell Windows - in one place - that my screen resolution is not 72dpi, but is in fact 125dpi. Once that is accomplished, all Windows elements should be scaled to that result.

    For any application which does not specify drawing size, but rather specifies pixels - the new AERO graphics engine should do a simple calculation "X pixels * (125 / 72) = Y pixels" and draw it as Y. For fonts and other "vector" based drawing objects, this should be even easier as the curve calculations are already based on this kind of math.

    If this is done properly, an 8pt font will take up the same physical area on a high resolution monitor as it does on a low resolution monitor. What's more, it will fit properly in buttons because the number of pixels on the button have been properly sized and should match.

    Some people may WANT that optimized screen real estate. That's easily handled. They just need to set the DPI setting on back to 72, and their ultra-sharp tiny little fonts will be right back again. The only thing that could suffer - in theory - is looking at pictures. If something is supposed to be 10 pixels, it ends up being 17.36 for me. Rounding is where you get the "fuzzy" aspect.

    Why does this matter? Right now, I'm looking at a 19" monitor which is optimized for 1280 by 1024 pixel resolution. The laptop is more extreme. It's a 17" monitor that is 1920 by 1080. Making some simple assumptions that the pixels are square and aligned uniformly (which they are not, actually) the two monitors come out to about 86 and 125 pixels per inch respectively.

    LCD screens are not like the bulky old "tube" based screens. The pixels aren't projected onto a phosphor screen; they are actual hardware - like little light bulbs. If you decrease the display resolution, you're getting less crisp representation at each point than you would at the optimize resolution because the dots themselves cannot change size. They must therefore be approximated.

    Where this becomes a problem is that many aspects of the Windows screen are designed to be a set number of pixels in height or width. The unit of measure is in pixels, not inches. This includes fonts, title bars, buttons, icons, and all kinds of other things. Much of the time, Windows doesn't know how many of those pixels fit on a linear inch of screen space on my screen. What people don't realize is that the old standard has been to assume about 72dpi for screen resolution. That means on my laptop, with nearly twice that resolution, things tend to be on half the ideal size.

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    1. Re:To me, Vista needs one key thing. by EMB+Numbers · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unless I am mistaken, Windows standardized on 92+ pixels per inch. PDF, Postscript, and Mac OS standardized on 72 pixel per inch because that was a common printing/publishing standard and the first GUI's were for "desktop publishing".

      Also, what you are asking for is resolution independent graphics, and that is already available as a user option with Mac OS 10.4 and will ubiquitous with Mac OS X 10.5.

      http://developer.apple.com/releasenotes/GraphicsIm aging/RN-ResolutionIndependentUI/

    2. Re:To me, Vista needs one key thing. by kevmo · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can set a custom DPI in Vista.

      Right click on the desktop, choose Personalize. On the left, choose "Change Font Size (DPI)".

      Applications that are DPI-aware will scale their fonts to match Vista's setting. For those that are not DPI-aware, Vista will scale it for you. The downside is that if Vista has to scale a small font up to meet your DPI, then it will look fuzzy.

  27. Uhh, by ElephanTS · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft isn't ready for Vista, let alone corporate America.

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  28. Re:How to advocate free software by TheGrinningFool · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, clearly you're just an M$$$$$$$$ shill.

  29. Re:Spend $ on Vista, or on necessities? My choice. by mythosaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "$500 for a complete PC system installed? Your $500 machines aren't nearly as powerful as my 2.5 year old equipment!"

    A new Dell GX6xx in quantity is about $500. I'm not sure what machines you were buying 2.5 years ago with core duos, but, I'm sure you might have been buying things that powerful. In our environement, a box from Dell shows up post-sysprep with our enterprise standard image on it (imaged AT Dell from our prepared image). A technician takes it out of the box, types a machine name, it auto-joins the domain, and policy (through BMC Configuration Management / Marimba) deploys any extra non-standard software for the users based on geographic and user-specific identifiers.

    "I need something that will last for several years with near-zero fuss. I really can't afford to buy equipment that was obsolete last year, or that needs constant tinkering and upgrades and support."

    Which is exactly why turning over a brand new Dell every 3 years (which matches the warranty period) makes sense for us - and for many, many, other large organizations. No tinkering -- we made the image. No upgrades needed -- it's new. And we're already the support. No fuss, no muss.

    Also, as an added bonus, since the process we MAKE our enterprise standard image comes from a single unattended DVD (with a plethora of driver support, updated by us), when my "Developer" system was deployed, in dual-proc, 15k SCSI glory, it too ran the standard image, and got non-standard software deployed automatically.

    "Assume that this machine will be in service for at least 3 years with near-zero maintenance."

    From a hardware standpoint, we do. A rotating stock of 0-3 year old PCs is greatly cheaper than trying to stretch them beyond that age with upgrades, or to try to over-buy them with bleeding-edge technology at purchase time. We have similar support to our machines in terms of upgrades and maintainence (low), and I pay [for hardware], under $200 a year for PCs. If you're paying 2,000 but can stretch your PC lifecycle out, you'd better be getting 10 years from a PC without any upgrades. I assume you splurged for 64 megs of memory on the machine you bought in 1996? $200 is *nothing* for a productivity tool for an employee for a year.

    This is pointless, of course. This is HOW large enterprise organizations are going to acquire Vista licenses and O2007 licences. Select agreements work that way. You can't buy a Windows 2000 license with your new PC - even if that's what ships on the disk. You just maintain enough OS/App/CAL/Exchange/whatever licences to match the NUMBER of machines that you have. Someday we'll have enough licences, and someday the suits will want to change the standard...just like we did from 2000 to XP a few years ago.

    [For what it's worth, we embrace open source and open standard initiatves at our company. They honestly aren't mature enough yet, and the programs available aren't specific to our industry yet. We keep moving closer and closer, and someday, we'll divorce ourselves from Microsoft -- but that day isn't exactly tomorrow.]

  30. Vista not ready for Corporate America by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This shows how deeply embedded M$ spin is in the memes of the masses. For years evryone asked "Is Linux Ready for the Desktop", not "Are Desktop users ready for Linux." Now, M$ releases Vista, and the question is reversed?

    Is Vista ready for Corporate America? No, it never will be! I am a Vista Beta Tester, and I can tell you that Vista sucks wind. It is garbage. It offers nothing that Linux hasn't had for years, lacks some important features Linux has had for years, forces DRM on an unwitting public, and requires a hardware upgrade in most cases in order to be marginally useful. The new approach to security is to exude the appearance of security , rather than simply ignore it per the old policy.

    I have one question for M$ execs. Linux is secure without having to ask the user "are you sure you want to do that" ever. Why does your "wonderful new OS" have to ask the user 752 times a day? It is no longer good enough to do the spin in the press. Now the OS is doing the spin as well. If the user can use an "OK" hotkey to authorize an action, what stops a virus from emulating the hotkey-press? Answer: It does exactly one thing. The same thing M$ always has done. It gives the uninformed user a false sense of security.

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  31. Re:J. Hasaclue CIO responds: by erpbridge · · Score: 2, Informative

    Biggest questions with switching to Linux, from a firm of 3000+ computers. This is all written from the standpoint of a discussion I, the IT director, has had with my current staff and my direct manager, the CFO. These are honest questions raised by the CFO and myself, who don't know enough about Linux yet to answer them.

    Application compatibility - Most applications that our users currently run have been written for Windows. How do I run those inside Linux, without resorting to a Windows emulation program? (Not just talking about Office, but also about client-server accounting/payroll program from a vendor, HR software, federal and state government tax and retirement plan submission software, video editing, photo editing, and more). If I have to use an emulation program, how seamlessly does it emulate the speed and functionality of the real Windows application? (If we have an attendance secretary who inputs 2000 students attendance a day, and each entry takes her 2 seconds longer to do, that adds another 5 hours to her work week... Expand that across the board to the other positions, and I start having a lot of decreased productivity)

    Do I still need to pay Microsoft for the yearly licenses for Windows, or is the emulation program running on just a emulation layer that does not require a full install of Windows?

    If I have to look at conversion to separate packages of software, including retraining of employees and support staff on new packages and dealing with missing functionality, that severely impacts the morale and productivity of employees in company in supporting the new software.

    Training of New OS - How high is the learning curve (and by that, I mean users who are very reluctant to major software changes, such as most secretaries of executive-level officers) of switchng from a Windows 2000 to Linux, as opposed to the learning curve of switching from Windows 2000 to Windows Vista? How much will I need to do to retrain my support staff to handle these issues?

    Support by established company - There are multiple brands of Linux (Ubuntu, Redhat, Slackware, Suse, Fedora, Debian, Knoppix, and many more). How many of the brands offer same business day support via call-in phone number, similar to a Microsoft support incident contract? Is there a single established site that contains an exhaustive knowledge base for incidents?

    Upgrading of new OS versions: How different is the versioning of OS's like Redhat, or Ubuntu, or SUSE, from that of Windows? Is the Redhat of 3, or 5, or 7 years ago essentially unchanged from that of today? Could the Redhat of today run on a computer of 5 or 7 years ago without the disabling of any functionality? Can the OpenOffice of today run on the RedHat of 5 years ago? We're looking for uniform versioning across all our computers. One of Linux's big points that we keep seeing toted, anecdotally, is the ability to run it on a P3-600 without any degrading, and we need to know how true that is. If we're making a decision to install an OS that will run for the next 5 years with no upgrade, we need to answer these questions now.

    Peripheral compatibility - Yes, Linux supports printers. But does it support existing and future peripherals, (such as Paperport single sheet scanners, business card scanners, PDA synchronization, digital camera synchronization, dv camera importing and editing, etc) for peripheral companies that do not and will not provide Linux drivers, and are in some cases the best of breed or the only company that supplies these peripherals? I do not want to hire on an additional staff member to program drivers for these.

    Employee Use at home rights: How much of this software is available under use at home rights? How will an employee purchasing a new computer for home get Redhat, or Slackware, or whatever, installed on their new computer from Gateway, or HP, or Dell?

    And since our company is also in charge of supporting computers inside a college computer environment:

    Application compatibility: Many educational CD's

  32. Jeff by msanford · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Jeff says it all.

  33. Re:J. Hasaclue CIO responds: by mrbcs · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Wine might work for some of your applications.
    2. If you emulate windows in linux, you still pay the microsoft tax.
    3. Too high a learning curve for what you're doing.
    4. Many different distros make their money on support. Fedora, Suse to name a couple.
    5. I've used many different flavours of Linux. The faster the computer the better. Linux just never seems to be as fast as I want. It's not really the linux but the desktop (KDE or Gnome) that are the processor hogs.
    6. Printers.. good luck.
    7. Windows Apps.. good luck.
    8. Real World. Windows on the desktop, linux in the server rooms.

    Honestly, I hate Microsoft the company with a passion. I'm currently using the best thing they ever made and that's windows 2000. I've tried, Lord knows I've tried to use Linux. I have 10 computers at home and probably 50 Linux distros on cd that have made it onto a machine at one time or another. I have yet to see one distro do everything I want. I either get printing problems, or it doesn't want to play with my windows network, or it's slow or it crashes. You'll hear tons of fanboys in here probably mod me down for such remarks but the cold stark reality is that Linux right now is only good for home users who want to surf and check email or as a server platform. None of those dumb Windows screensavers, games, apps etc. that users like to download will work. Very few games will work and not many home users are proficient enough to play with emulators.

    Linux is remarkable in the server areas though. They just blow windows away. I'll never use anything else for a webserver again. SME server is an excellent replacement for a windows domain controller.

    Bottom Line: Most businesses use accounting software that is not compatible with Linux. That reason alone is enough to seriously curtail any large scale Linux adoption. Therefore, since it's gonna be a while before Linux really makes it into the real world, and your students WILL be using Windows when they leave school, and it's a fair learning curve to administer Linux machines... forget Linux on the desktop for a while. When software companies start writing their accounting software for Linux, then it's worth it to start.

    Disclaimer: All the above is only MY opinion. You may not agree. Use at your own risk!

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  34. CPUs Jumped The Shark by FFFish · · Score: 3, Insightful

    circa the 200MHz era. Except for gaming, these CPUs were quite fast enough for word processing, accounting, internet access, email, etceteras.

    Faster CPUs have given us more glitz. I'm not convinced they've given us more functionality: Word 2007 doesn't do a whole helluva lot more than Word 6, MSIE 7 doesn't do a whole lot more than MSIE 3, not in terms of true-blue functionality.

    So I can easily imagine most businesses are in no rush to upgrade their machines en masse. Why should they? They're just gonna end up spending thousands of dollars in new hardware, software, re-training for the new software, and endless technical support as the bugs are ironed out of the new network and installations.

    Vista is rightfully regarded by most businesses as an obvious case of a high-risk foot-meets-bullet fuckup just waiting to pounce on the dummy who decides to champion the idea of upgrading.

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  35. Re:Yea, but when is any company ready? by jc42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, remind me which corporations of notable size are known to be early adopters?

    Well, I recently finished a project at a rather large corporation (which I'll mercifully not name here) that hasn't quite finished upgrading all its W95 machines to W98. They also have a few NT machines, mostly in the IT dept.

    No, I'm not joking. And this isn't the first case like this that I've seen.

    Funny thing was that the project I worked on involved migrating software from a big IBM mainframe to a flock of distributed unix servers. Talk about having one foot in each world.

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  36. Bzzzt. word I'm getting is Vista has it. by CFD339 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's the information according the one of the developers.

    http://blogs.msdn.com/kamvedbrat/archive/2006/12/0 2/dpi-scaling-in-windows-vista.aspx

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  37. Re:Zune 2.0 by ClamIAm · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm not sure what you mean by "staying relevant". For me, they are becoming more and more irrelevant all the time. I've never been a big PC gamer, and Wine is getting pretty close to running all the games I do play. Plus there's all the wonderful DRM, overtures toward "trusted" computing, and Vista requiring signed drivers, which are all slaps in the face to anyone who actually wants to control the machines they own.

    And for other people I know, the same is happening, but can be summarized as "Mac Mini/Macbook". They use their computers for e-mail and the web, and Apple makes a damn good computing appliance for this purpose.

    Of course, businesses are a whole different story.

  38. Bzzt back to you by melted · · Score: 2, Informative

    The argument would be a lot easier if I didn't actually run RC2. Applications not compiled with DPI-aware manifest look like a steaming pile of shit when scaled due to blur. And that, of course, includes the vast majority of your "old" apps, and even some "new" apps as well, even the ones that ship with Vista - e.g. Calendar. Even apps that _are_ compiled as DPI aware show broken UI and ugly icons in places. I didn't even have to dig deep for this. If most of your apps are not DPI aware, you'll probably be better off running your LCD at a non-native resolution. Which kinda defeats the purpose.

    It remains to be seen what Apple's implementation will look like, but if you know Steve Jobs at all he'd rather eat broken glass than release something that doesn't look good.

  39. "... from the tail-wagging-the-dog department" by NickFortune · · Score: 2, Informative
    You have to love the spin on this article. Vista as a product isn't suitable for the needs of Corporate America, so suddenly that's Corporate America's fault? I thought it was the vendor's responsibility to create a product customers needed to buy, not the responsibility of the potential customers to create a need for the product.

    Never mind, I'm sure the usual mixture of blackmail and bribery will see vista deployed in some high profile corporate site before too long.

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  40. Re:J. Hasaclue CIO responds: by Pecisk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Disclaimer: I have done lot of migrations from Windows to Linux, so I have experience to talk about. In short - Windows to Linux is doable, and it is not so nightmarish, as someone would like to paint it. However, it asks one thing from your IT departament - discipline, which is very rare thing to find among Windows sysadmins. So usually you should look for human factor when something is blocking your migration.

    1. Windows apps, custom apps - WINE simulator is aimed to be fully blown simulator of Windows libraries, are still in active development, but progress is made everyday. WINE also have two commercial offsprings - Crossover Office by Code Weavers, really good product, and Cedega, not-so-good, but still solution for lot of Windows software, mostly games. Any of these settings you can achieve that your apps run flawlessly in emulation environment. No Windows license is needed, unless explicitly cited in EULA. I would go with Crossover Office, they are not cheap, but not very expensive either. As side note, for advanced users WINE is a bless, because you can make actually work a lot programms with little or even no configuring or hacking. Use lot of small tools with WINE with default configuration (as installed) and I am fine. Of course, EVERYTHING must be tested, so there would be any surprises down the road. Also if apps are coded in .NET enviroment then you should check out Mono goodies. All Novell/MS deal contraversy aside, Mono is really serious project. Also lot of apps can be ported via Python/GTK, which combo is very very easy to use and learn. For example, check out this project http://www.moeraki.com/pygtktutorial/pygtk2tutoria l/index.html.

    2. As I already said, emulation layer requires no Windows installation nor license.

    3. Retraining - if your users just need to do a job what they should do, simple retraining will do just fine. Windows are still Windows. Web browsers are still the same browsers as in Windows, and OpenOffice is very similar to Microsoft Office, yes, there are differences, but if pointed out in retraining and later manuals, it is usually no issue. All is needed is good manual for most visible changes, and helpful admins. And no, you don't have to learn them how to thinker with console.

    4. Support by established company - there are several ways to get support from commercial entity. First of all, there is RedHat with RHE and it's contracts, Oracle with RHE support (less expensive but still lot of money), Novell with SLE and Novell Linux Desktop (prices are more SMB oriented), IBM (big iron and large and medium corporations) and then comes Cannonical with it's interesting version of support - they provide platform for various support groups - local, noncommercial, user-based, commercial, group-based, etc. They have their register of commercial supporters of your area. Of course you can't forget Debian, which has community support, which is proven itself in action. Ubuntu is built upon Debian. So more or less, covered distros are RedHat Enterprise, SUSE Enterprise, Ubuntu Dapper (stable, 3/5 y support version), and Debian. If I have to choose from this list, I would go with Ubuntu/Kubuntu Dapper with local commercial support. Why? It is very strong and good community support + lot of references and kb collections. There are no one BIG place, but there are several big places - Ubuntu WIKI, Ubuntu Forums with HOWTOS and manuals, and more. There are also very friendly support ticket system in Launchpad, also IRC channel #ubuntu at irc.freenode.net will provide your admins (or your commercial supporter) with necessary info.

    Go with Novell/RedHat, if you need heavy-weight support behind our Linux desktop (They are serious companies with smartest of minds in Linux/Free software world on payroll), or Oracle/IBM, if you are big corporation and wanna do "right thing" for your shareholders.

    5. OS upgrades
    SLES/NLD (Novell offer) and RHE (RedHat of

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    user@ubuntubox:~$ stfu This server is going down for shutdown NOW!
  41. Microsoft should be the FIRST to adopt this by jvkjvk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think that Microsoft should be the first ones to adop this as a corporate standard across the board.

    Not only will they gather valuable experience dubugging the problems first hand, with the actual user in front them, but they are costing everyonen else money every bug that stops some piece of business fulidity from happening costs the company that loses the advantage money. They have the joy of live data. What fun!

    Microsoft is hoping to pawn off the cost of being the early corporate adopter because it would hurt their business to do so.

    Now, who's business, then, wouldn't be inancially disadvantaged compared to a competitor who just... waited?

    I personally couldn't recommend a comporation going to vista any time soon.