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A Spaceport In Ohio?
UglyTool writes to alert us to an initiative by the state of Ohio and the city of Columbus to lure Canadian rocketeers PlanetSpace to launch from an area airport (the former Lockbourne Air Force Base, now called Rickenbacker International Airport). A decision on the incentives could be made by January. From the article: "Such a package could include tax credits, financing programs and training grants amounting to millions of dollars... PlanetSpace's chairman, Indian-American entrepreneur Chirinjeev Kathuria, told MSNBC.com he expected the incentives to amount to 'somewhere in the neighborhood of $20 million.'" Five other states have spaceports approved or planned.
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I always like reading about efforts to get humanity off this ball of rock and water. One thing about the location though, I thought that the closer to the equator, the better. How does that compare against tax breaks?
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Spaceships launch east, preferably from the equator. This will mean basically that a private company can launch ballistic payloads up into the air over DC. Nobody there will let this happen.
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I'd be more than happy to ride on Burt Rattan's SpaceShipOne, but PlanetSpace's rocket looks more like an ICBM with a stealth fighter attached than something destined for sightseeing. I'm sure it's fine, but it doesn't have that "Cool" factor for me.
... it seems like the vast Canadian tundra would be a far cheaper alternative, and the Canadian government would probably even lend some of their military airports to support Canada's image worldwide (not that it really needs much support).
I wonder why a Canadian team is paying that much money to fly from Ohio
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Um, this is a dumb idea
As others have already noted, Ohio has two strokes against it:
It is substantially farther from the equator than Florida (and other proposed SW "spaceports").
There are heavily populated areas around and to the east of it it. Falling lower stages and strap-on boosters could end up mashing a house or highway or city block.
I wonder if there's a bandwagon effect in action. Cities in the SW are starting to get publicity for hosting space ports, so why not Ohio?
I can picture charming hucksters selling cities on space ports the way that con artist sold Springfield on thier monorail.
- The Wright brothers, who developed and flew the first airplane, were from Ohio.
- John Glenn, the first man in orbit, is an Ohioan.
- Neil Armstrong, the first man on the moon, is an Ohioan.
- Now, they are talking about building a spaceport in Ohio.
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I'm so glad I live on the west side. I'll get to laugh at all the idiots on east campus and in reynoldsburg who get smashed by the rocket's excess baggage.
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... due to it's closeness to the equator.
First off Columbus, Ohio is the perfect place for this spaceport. Everyone knows they want to see the new crafts launch and why travel all the way to Florida. More people from the Eastern US and our friends in Canada will be able to see the fireworks display. Remember, to the Canadians, Ohio is like Florida to them so it all makes sense.
Finally, THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY not only has the best football team in the nation, their hospital system is good enough to handle the certain disaster that will befall said spaceport should it ever happen. It disaster ever strikes, hopefully it will fall far enough east that it will take out the Pittsburgh Steeler's stadium while the are playing the Ravens (while Art Model is there). So yes, please add my reasons to why Columbus, OH and our $20 Million USD should be #1 on your list.
In closing I would like to say that Ohio State Football rocks, and that School up North sucks. Go Bucks!
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These are suborbital craft. They go straight up, and come straight down. The only way they'll leave Ohio airspace is by going high enough to be out of the atmosphere.
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Good to see the state has a firm grasp of physics, as they do most sciences - like creationism - and .... creationism.
The article mentions that the site for launching and landing could be different. Ohio seems to be bidding for a landing and manufacturing site, with launching as a possiblity only if it's approved by the FAA. The article even mentions the idea of launching off of a barge and landing in Ohio.
Remember New Mexico was going to build one too...
offhand I'd think Ohio, being farther north, would be at a disadvantage.
Ideally you'd want the highest altitude closest to the equator. Meaning Ecuador would be the logical place to put it.
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The "stealth aircraft" part of the system is not part of the original rocket (I've seen the original). It had a proper nose cone and looked very much like the V2 rocket that was the design's inspiration (See here).
Besides, you have the story backwards. Canada is not looking to fly out of Ohio. Ohio is trying to enice them to come. As you noted, we have plenty of launch sites available here in the Great White North.
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Why all the comments about being close to the equator? This is a SUBORBITAL craft. It goes up, and then comes down. It travels no more than 50 miles horizontally. It makes no difference whatsoever where on the planet the craft is launched from. There are many places in Canada from which they can launch. Ohio just wants to grab a slice of the pie. In fact, the suggested airbase is actually not viable, because the first stage (the red and white rocket shaped part) is designed to splash down. There is no major lake near Rickenbacker.
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I also wonder what all the commercial air traffic is going to do for the couple minutes it is going to take for the craft to get out of the way. I am sure the FAA computers are up to the task of managing that situation.
Overall I think it is not a bad idea. More spaceports will eventually be needed, and they will have to be spaced throughout the country. At this point, however, it would seem that testing would be better done on the coasts or in the desert.
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Either Steven's Point or Sheboygan, Wisconsin (I forget which) is missing from that pic. Nasa said it's a better site than any existing one and plans to built a launch site there. w00t Wisconsin ownz!
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Dr. Kathuria, who was born in India, has lived in Illinois since he was eight months old. He is now 38. That makes him 98% American by time lived. Perhaps he wants to fix up his home nation before tackling his birth nation. Oh wait! He does.
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I wonder if an Ohio location has anything to do with Ohio State University. OSU has a top-notch engineering program and is the second-largest school in the US (and bigger than anything in Canada). If there were a space port in Ohio, OSU engineering students would be lining up to volunteer (for free) to help with the space program.
That's gotta make the deal look juicy to the Canucks.
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The Russians launch over land all the time. But it's been said that there have been occasional problems with this.
I thought that Alaska was the only non-federally owned launch site in the US. It is the only location not in Florida that can lauch east and still be over water. It's the farthest north of any sites ever proposed (good for polar launches). It is good for launching test rockets for the missile defense (the other site approximates what would happen if New Zealand would attack the US, Alaska approximates a Russian, Chinese, or North Korean launch). And, it's a great place to hunt bears or fish if weather delays your launch. Not to mention it is cheaper than any other launch site for launch fees, thought getting the rocket there (and fuel for non-polar launches) might be more. Oh, and unlike other proposed non-federal sites, it's been operating for years.
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The last time something called the rickenbacker got involved in space travel, she got involved.
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Jeff Bezos (founder of Amazon.com) has Blue Origin in Kent, Washington and has chosen an area near Van Horn in West Texas for the spaceport. He has bought 290,000 acres of desert ranch land. They tested the rocket at the spaceport on November 13th and plan 10 suborbital tests in the next year. There have been articles in AP, The Wall Street Journal, MSNBC and other sources.
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Heh...I used to work at that "airport". Most of the people there are hardcore rednecks. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
A port is, in transportation terminology, a place where commerce occurs and goods or people are transshipped. This isn't a port - it's an amusement park.
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It's almost ALWAYS been Rickenbacker Air Force Base. At least since WWI as Eddie Rickenbacker, a Ohio Native, was a ace during WWI. Not sure where in hell they got Lockbourne unless that was what it was named before it was Rickenbacker.
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This happened in Queensland, Australia. A two person company supposedly backed by a consortium of many others got an undisclosed amount out of the taxpayers to plan a spaceport. The same corrupt politician who fell for this also was taken in by a perpetual energy car that ran on water - although it is possible he made something on the deal himself in both cases - he liked getting brown paper bags full of cash according to what came out in court.