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Striving to Keep Teleworkers Happy

coondoggie writes "Employees who work from home or in remote branch offices often feel disconnected from corporate life and worry they will be forgotten and bypassed for promotions. Managers and employees have to make a concerted effort to stay in touch, experts say. At IBM, Pelino and others set out to improve corporate culture. The company sparked new life into an old tradition: IBM Club, which brings together employees for intramural sports, picnics, movies and other types of social, cultural and recreational activities."

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  1. Don't worry. by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    > Employees who work from home or in remote branch offices often feel disconnected from corporate life and worry they will be forgotten and bypassed for promotions.

    Don't worry. So do the people who work at the head office.

    1. Re:Don't worry. by Salvance · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do teleworkers actually think they'll receive promotions? At the companies I've worked for, 9 times out of 10 the teleworker is working from home to have a better work/life balance, not because the employer asked them to. As bad as it sounds, promotions typically come to those who are willing to drop everything for their employer.

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    2. Re:Don't worry. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      DING! DING! DING! He got the right answer!

      Exactly. Anyone that thinks you get promoted for good work is a nutcase.

      you get promoted by knowing people, smoozing the executives, sacrificing your family and life for the company.

      Anyone that puts family or themselves first NEVER get promoted.

      Yes, I do know that this is fact, I was there and did that. 2 marriages and my health lost before I realized that climbing the corporate ladder is not worth it in any way. Yeah you get the 6900 Sq foot house on the golf course, the pair of Z06 vettes in the garage and that BMW 7 series.... but all you get to do is look at pictures of that stuff and maybe visit it 2 weekends a month, except the BMW that you drove into the ground at 260,000 miles in 7 years to only impress the other guys at work and honestly is no better than a decent buick but cost you a crapload more and lost 90% of it's value. Oh dont forget you are nearly eyeball in debt because you have to have that "image" working!

      Promotion? that's their nice way of saying "Hey we would like to screw you harder while making you say thanks!"

      Upper manager jobs get filled by friends. Not by hard work or skills. I chased that herring for 14 years.

      Get a decent paying job AWAY from the big cities where a house is sanely priced, cost of living is sane and you can live 15 minutes from work (GASP!) your life is better. FAR BETTER.. I'll take a $44,000 a year job in a small town over a $250,000 year job in the city any day.

    3. Re:Don't worry. by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      at a company like IBM they have many Field Service or Support Engineers spread out where they live in their geographic region, but might report to the office 100 miles away. They're either fielding calls from all over the world for their specialty, or they're running from customer to customer...

      My Brother and his wife did the Sales and Training thing for a while.. the company was in OK.. so each person worked from home and flew to the customer all over the world. Unfortunately, they had many of the same issues... disconnected from the office by living near family.. but flying all over so they never see family either!!

    4. Re:Don't worry. by gmack · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As bad as it sounds, promotions typically come to those who are willing to drop everything for their employer.

      I can tell you that statement is actually quite often crap. Working extra hours and dropping all sense of personal life for your employer is like putting a giant sign on your forehead that says DOORMAT. Why should they promote you and pay you more when they can pay you exactly what your getting now for the same price?. Aside from that it shows you have no backbone and therefore no leadership abilities. If you can't stand up for yourself now how will you stand up to people under you?

      This is a lesson I learned the hard way. I used to spend all my free time at work and put in whatever hours the boss asked for. Now I find I get taken much more seriously now that I have learned to stand up for myself.

    5. Re:Don't worry. by Timothy+Chu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > I used to spend all my free time at work and put in whatever hours the boss asked
      > for. Now I find I get taken much more seriously now that I have learned to stand
      > up for myself.

      I think that you can only now stand up for yourself BECAUSE you put in your time and got the experience. Anybody who starts a job without demonstrating their skills/dedication/etc to the job is not going to be taken seriously.

    6. Re:Don't worry. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Get a decent paying job AWAY from the big cities where a house is sanely priced, cost of living is sane and you can live 15 minutes from work (GASP!) your life is better. FAR BETTER.. I'll take a $44,000 a year job in a small town over a $250,000 year job in the city any day.

      Housing is more expensive in the city. Then again, salaries are higher. And, yes, you can live 15 minutes away from work - if you're lucky, you won't even have to drive in. As far as the corporate ladder, there are plenty of opportunities with small companies in the cities and opportunities to start your own business. In fact, with a large density of potential clients in the area, finding clients seems to be easier than in BFE.

      -b.

    7. Re:Don't worry. by Zephyr14z · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Anyone that puts family or themselves first NEVER get promoted." I completely disagree. I have yet to give two shits about any company I've worked for, and usually get promoted pretty quickly. Office space has it right. Just a straight shooter with upper management written all over me, I guess. You're definitely right about good work having zero to do with promotions, though. Talking with your boss(es) instead of working is generally more to your advantage.

    8. Re:Don't worry. by macp · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I had traditional office and was booted out as part of a company cost saving measure. Coworkers that sat on company sites or at customer sites were also asked to work from home. Sometimes working from home is NOT a personal choice, and it has its positive or negative ramifications for the employee and his or her family, the customers and the company. It's a myth that working from home always brings you better work/life balance -- it often negatively affects work/life balance, in that your home is your office, and you never seem to get to leave it. It's especially bad for those people who just can't turn their minds off at the end of the day OR are on 24x7 call -- you can easily go from working a 40 hr. week to working 50 or 60 without ever getting out of your pajamas. It becomes a corporate expectation, and about the time it gets personally ridiculous is when you start having to manage the details of your life ("been on the frigging phone since 5am, I guess I'll take a shower between my 10:30 and 11am call?") around your work to keep the global outsourcers from clawing after your job... which they'll do anyway if you're 100% remote.

      I admit that working from home gives employees *some* flexibility in their schedules, depending on their job roles, but I think a lot of people put in more hours at their kitchen table or desk than at the office in conference rooms or around the water cooler (figuratively speaking), not to mention the commute time. It torques me to hear people complain about home office workers like they don't do $#!% all day while they're yukking it up in somebody's office, wasting their own little 9 to 5 away.

    9. Re:Don't worry. by OfficeSubmarine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I totally agree on that one. I nearly killed myself out of loyalty to my last job, literally. One of the best companies on the planet, but not worth giving up even a minute of my family life. The idea that it's not family, but money or work status that will bring happiness is the biggest lie our culture tells to its children.

  2. A promotion would be nice.. by LeddRokkenstud · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But if a promotion didn't come, I wouldn't be upset. As a teleworker for a local staffing service, I save enough money on gas alone. I have the comfort of my own bathroom, the comfort of my own house, and the comfort of my World of Warcraft video game on my breaks. I really wouldn't trade that to have to travel to the office every day and interact with people, even if it means never getting promoted.

  3. another opportunity for 'sports' by hotrodman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yay.. Another opportunity to have the athletic drag the non-athletic of us into 'competitions'. I'm not even fat or out of shape....just tired of Little Leagues that extend into your golden years...
      - E

    1. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by Xaria · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you've got the wrong attitude there. Don't see it as a "competition" - see it as a chance to have fun with your workmates. If you look at it as an opportunity rather than a drag then not only will you have a good time, but you might actually get a positive outcome. Turning up to this sort of thing meant my face appeared on the radar of senior management. In a social environment your more unusual abilities can be discussed.

    2. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by couchslug · · Score: 4, Funny

      In the military we call it Mandatory Fun.

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    3. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by udderly · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a fine line...you have to look like a competitor in order to be thought well of by the Fantasy Football League morons but also remember to throttle back your game so that you don't show up your boss in front of everyone. I made that mistake once.

      The first year I was working for a former employer, I beat my boss's boss out for first place in a charity road bicycle race. In all honesty, while I knew that the general rule is that you're not supposed to beat the boss, he had been going on and on for weeks about how he "hoped that he would have some real competition."

      I've been racing bicycles competitively for years, so there was no doubt in my mind that I could beat him. But I thought that I would just lay back the whole race and then act like I was going to challenge him on the last hill but let him win. Unfortunately, he wasn't quite as good a cyclist as he had been letting on, and halfway up the hill he pulled off to the side and puked.

      Needless to say, my employment there was short-lived.

    4. Re:another opportunity for 'sports' by Joebert · · Score: 3, Funny

      Did you get a "people like you make me sick !" speach when you got the boot ?

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  4. Re:Disconnected from corporate life... by locokamil · · Score: 4, Funny

    I agree. Managing strip club + hooker expenses via email/phone is simply too difficult.

    Much easier to broach the subject over a friendly game of tennis.

  5. Ex: IBM'er, comments may contain opinions! by jeaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is one of the reasons I finally left IBM. While I worked in RTP, at an IBM campus, I loved it. Surrounded by IBMer's, there were lots of activities and clubs for us to use. Once I moved to a customer site, all that disappeared. Left in a supply closet, reviled by the customer and IBM alike, we festered. Job satisfaction dropped, and so did that feeling of belonging to IBM. Add into that the drastic cost cutting IBM has implemented, and things generally sucked. We all stopped going into the office because of gas prices, and roving bands of irate customers. IBM made no effort to get the local people together. Now that they are trying to breathe "new life into an old tradition: IBM Club" I predict the same old same old. This "club" in unfunded, ignored, and generally cast aside. IBM needs to start investing again in people, not gimmicks and cheerleading.

    1. Re:Ex: IBM'er, comments may contain opinions! by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, cheerleading implies cheerleaders.
      IBM should invest in cheerleading.

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  6. Yeah, this'll work out well... by CyanDisaster · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...At IBM, Pelino and others set out to improve corporate culture. The company sparked new life into an old tradition: IBM Club, which brings together employees for intramural sports, picnics, movies and other types of social, cultural and recreational activities...

    Wouldn't it be ironic that the people it is intended to bring together might not hear about it because the notices for those activites is posted in the lunchroom?

    Why yes. I am an optimist. Why do you ask?

    Hope be with ye,
    Cyan

  7. Spin by Khel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As someone that was an IBM employee and still knows people that work at IBM I can tell you that this is mostly spin. Moving people to work from home is all about the mighty dollar. IBM saves quite a bit in expenses by having people work from home. Also, IBM doesn't really care that much about it's U.S. workforce as it is primarily interested in moving jobs to India. The last announced goal for the workforce in India is 40,000 employees. Little hiring is being done at all in the U.S. by IBM while attrition continually reduces the U.S. numbers.

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    1. Re:Spin by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The telecommuters are the ones with the most secure jobs... because IBM NEEDS them to be geographically close to the customers. It's the people that are doing all the leg work. Unfortunately that would be really bad SO disconnected. I'm not a people person, but when I'm left completely alone and ignored even by the boss, my disposition goes downhill fast... the kind of slide maxed out on Prozac can stop... It's the main thing that's kept me from traveling jobs even though I'd be REALLY good at it.

    2. Re:Spin by siegesama · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Different kind of telecommuter here. In this case, we've just been moved from cubes back into our own homes. No traveling, no customers. Just doing the work that would normally be done from the cube farm. Almost all communication is via email and IM, with the occasional conference call thrown in.

      The team I've been working with lately is all based out of Poughkeepsie, and I live near RTP. A VPN connection is cheaper for my department than office rental, network port rental, and phone port rental, so it's encouraged

      Every now and then I wake up and feel very disoriented (like those old dreams of being late for school, not knowing about what your homework was, or what classes you need to be in), and will have a sort of panic attack, because I'll feel like I've just forgotten to go to work. That's a bizarre feeling to have, and it's hard to shake.

      Also, it's hard to separate where work stops and life begins. Especially if you spend a lot of time on the internet anyway. I'm always signed on to Sametime, 24/7, and check my work email as often as my regular email. I effectively live in my work now. That's got to be a great deal for IBM!

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    3. Re:Spin by scromp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I also work from home most of the time. You would benefit, I think, by setting aside a "work area," and even "work computers." When 5pm (or whenever you like to quit) hits, leave that area and don't look back until the next day. I'm not saying you shouldn't goof off on the net while working, but don't goof off working after hours. It makes a world of difference.

  8. Disconnected from corporate life? Woot! by rHBa · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Employees who work from home or in remote branch offices often feel disconnected from corporate life

    That's exactly why I freelance instead of work for a corporation.

    I live in the mountains and can go skiing, paragliding, mountain biking, climbing etc whenever the weather permits and fit my work (about two days a week is enough to pay the rent/bar tab) around my play. Sure, I don't have a lot of money but if I worked full time in London I'd spend it all on going to the mountains on holidays.
  9. Easier to change jobs than get promoted by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A basic problem with "telework" is that promotion within the company is unlikely. But job changing is easier.

    1. Re:Easier to change jobs than get promoted by bmcent1 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Who mod'd this insightful?

      I've teleworked over 5 years and received good raises every year. Telework had no impact, positive or negative, on promotions. They were based on performance, and keeping the customer happy. I was actually more organized working offsite, because 1) I could work without interuption and 2) I knew I had something to prove and that was fine with me, they granted a great perk and I stepped it up in return.

      Getting paid is all about being valuable (and making sure your value is known.) It has nothing to do with keeping a seat warm in the office. I'd telework at my next job too, in fact I probably won't take a job that doesn't offer it as a perk.

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  10. Wh..what?! by Shads · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >Employees who work from home or in remote branch offices often feel disconnected from corporate life

    I thought that was the PRIMARY benefit! What more could you want? Do yer job, do it right, do it in your PJs.

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  11. I have the answer by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Beat the shit out of the managers that make teleworkers have to justify that we are really doing our jobs away from the office.

    It never fails, it seems every quarter some moron in Finance or some new manager in some department questions the value of teleworkers and other stupid comments or questions about the people they dont see daily.

    When you have to defend yourself in SPITE of your work quality and quantity on a regular basis it kind of makes us really pissy.

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  12. Dignity with distance by m0llusk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sometimes being a part of office culture can open opportunities for conflict, and teleworkers may have the best longevity because they are spared the indignities of office noise and too much closeness.

  13. Well, doesnt this just sound like fun for everyone by mixnblend · · Score: 5, Informative

    So....now besides going to work 9 to 5 monday to friday and beyond...you go on company branded organised excursions with your fellow employees and their families...at which you all bond and the company tries to let you know about how much they care about you? I'm sorry, but this for me (and I'm sure quite a number of my generation) is pretty much what's putrid about western corporate culture today....when it suits companies, they want to have 'a positive one on one relationship with someone'[personifying probably the least personifiable construct on the planet] whether it be customer or employee, that 'lets them know they care'. When it doesn't and a companies execs want to put the boot in its 'not personal, just business'.[my fellow programmer incidentally reckons the only way to deal with that line is to make it personal]. Western business culture today seems in practice at least to either use the company as a vehicle for overtly oily and condescending overtures to customers or employees, or as a shield to hide behind when extremely irresponible decisions have been made. Its why, if I cn help it, I never want to work for a large company in my life. Once the damn things pass a certain size, they take on a personality all of their own, and it's generally not nice.

  14. Disconnected by mattwarden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't the point of working from home to be "disconnected from corporate life"?

  15. Not Again.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here come the "corporate culture" wonks, yet again. I love how an entire industry of HR consultants and managers have bought into, and actively promote, this notion of corporate culture as something that can be "improved" or changed. Generally it only goes downhill over the long run once these kinds of initiatives are enacted, because most people see it to be what it really is: a feeble attempt at controlling employees emotions and psychology to make them feel personally accountable for business success or failure. Let me know how that works out and how you feel after the next round of layoffs...

  16. Promotions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If it is a promotion you want and are not getting here is what you do. Call the boss on the phone or
    run into the office to talk to him. Tell him you would like to be promoted to such and such whatever that may be. One of three things will likely happen, he will either say no, say yes or try to passify you with some BS which is the most likely course of action. Now if he says no or throws you some BS you have two courses of action.

    1. Sit at home for the rest of your life and do your job like a good little boy or
    2. Find somebody else willing to give you that promotion and more money to boot.

    If you suck then you are best off sticking with number 1. If you have skills that should be rewarded and are valued then number 2 is your course of action.

    You are in charge of where you want to go with your career, nobody is gonna look out for you except
    yourself.

    I have found myself in a similar situation a manager that want's to keep me in my current position
    forever since I am the best at it and it would be hard to fill that position. Well guess what, his desires are not my desires so it is obviously time to rid myself of the relationship. Took me a whole two days to find somebody to step up and give me both the position and the money I want.

  17. Professional vs. social communication by jomama717 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work full time from home in a senior development position and can relate very much to the disconnected feeling that is discussed in the article, but the solutions that are discussed are addressing the wrong problem in my opinion. The problem is communication but it is professional communication, not social communication that is often lacking.

    We have found that short and sweet daily "stand-up" meetings in the morning with only the immediate team members (others of whom work from home as well) are far more helpful than weekly or monthly all-staffs or get togethers. In my experience it is rare that more than 2-3 people actually speak on an all-staff conference call of more than 10 people - how can that help improve communication? Get togethers at a restaurant or park, what have you, are fun and allow for familiarization but they are outside of work and do nothing to improve the day to day communication of the issues at hand.

    We have also found webcams to be unhelpful, the concensus being that without eye contact it's just TV. Screen sharing tools like VNC or webex paired with a speaker phone are far more effective when extended collaboration has to happen, while IM takes care of the rest.

    As far as the promotions go if the team you're on isn't communicating professionally and producing crap code you have no chance of getting promoted - no matter how many funny jokes you tell at the IBM "Lunch 'n Bowl" :)

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  18. Purest of spin by lufub · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Whoever it was that said this was spin was completely accurate. I work in Pelino's old region-- and have been a telecommuter 15 years-- and he was gone before anyone tried to breath life back into the IBM Club. 'Back in the day' it was ok because, having worked in the office, you knew all the folks who showed up at the events. Now with "professional hires" and the for-hire talent coming in and out you can go to these things and not know a soul there. So, most of us don't go anymore. Pelino himself, when he was 'spearheading' this initiative was a complete cipher. He had some big time title and reported into HQ, but he had zero local responsibilities. However long he was in the region, I layed eyes on the guy one time. He was a big difference maker. Not. In fact, one of IBM's biggest problems in terms of morale is the pathetic notion that this sort of pointless garbage raises anyone's spirits. I have reported to someone who lived within 200 miles of me exactly 17 months in the last 15 years. And having this odd idea that managers ought to manage-- which includes sampling activites and results, coaching and directing-- and since IBM managers haven't done any of that in at least 10 years, I'm constantly at odds with this stream of placeholders who've been signing my timecard. Sign me counting the days to retirement ...

  19. The first rule of IMB Club is.... by skitz0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    you do not talk about IBM Club.
    The second rule of IMB Club is. YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT IBM CLUB.

  20. Re:Carpal Tunnel & Tool to Measure Typing Rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    maybe it is time to not spend all day posting to slashdot then - dumbass.

  21. Am I the only one? by Daishiman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Am I the only one that actually likes telecommuting?


    Seriously, there's a lot of things to not like about IBM, but telecommuting certainly rocks. For one, I get to skip an hour of traffic coming and going and save up on the money. My job as a sysadmin is very lax and easygoing, and I'm studying Computer Science simultaneously, which means that the free time that I'd spend in the office I can spend home studying or, God forbid, working naked in my bedroom, or outside in the backyard(you CAN take the laptop outside).


    Socializing? You just coordinate your time telecommuting so that you have 2 days in the office so you can spend time with your team (assuming that your team is worth spending time with). I'd tell you, in a day with little stuff to do I'd rather do my own socializing inviting a friend over than spending in with a random coworker.


    And sleep. Man, there is nothing better for your health than getting to sleep an extra hour because of not having to deal with the bullshit of getting dressed and driving. Better yet, you can get out and run or do exercise before tunring the machine on.


    People who dislike telecommuting are simply not creative enough to know how to deal with it. A couple of weekly meetings in person with the rest of the staff suffices to kill the feeling of disconnection. The rest of the free time and benefits you get by being home are absolutely amazing if you use them right. I get to cook, watch TV, or read whatever I want. Yes, it does take personal discipline to lose the distractions when there's work to be done, but it's damn well worth it.



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    1. Re:Am I the only one? by SpottedKuh · · Score: 4, Funny
      I can spend home studying or, God forbid, working naked in my bedroom, or outside in the backyard(you CAN take the laptop outside)


      I guess I'd have to take my laptop outside, were I going to be working naked out there.

  22. Re:Carpal Tunnel & Tool to Measure Typing Rate by Mateito · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do you have Carpal Tunnel or just muscular strain.

    You should go and see a physician immediately... not post to slashdot.

    Your company will have insurance against this, but you need to show that you sought medical help appropriately or the insurer may find ground to refuse payment.

  23. Other way around by fishbowl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I was 100% telecommute I was always terrified I would be promoted and given responsibilities that required me to travel, or else, forced to relocate to a main office.

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  24. Re:Well, doesnt this just sound like fun for every by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Insightful
    So....now besides going to work 9 to 5 monday to friday and beyond...you go on company branded organised excursions with your fellow employees and their families...at which you all bond and the company tries to let you know about how much they care about you?

    The problem is that in su*burp*ia, you often don't see a lot of faces outside the company since everyone's working different hours, taking care of kids, whatever, and in most suburbs, people don't even walk on the street that much. So it isn't a matter of disconnection from the company as from life in general. If more people lived in cities and smaller towns rather than in uptightass developments, maybe we'll make some progress there.

    -b.

  25. Solution? Overcompensate! by freeze128 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm a full time Office guy. I ALWAYS come into the office (because that is where my job is - You can't repair the computers when you're at home).

    Just today, one of our Account Management Reps (who usually works from home, but comes into the office 1-2 days a month) came in and brought Soup, Cake, and christmas cards for everyone in the office.

    She loves to cook, and she loves working at home, and the people who work in the office get positive reinforcement for working in the office.

    Of course, there are the occasional remote users who never bring munchies, and only call to bitch that comcast sucks.... but screw them.... No soup for you!

  26. Some places are better than that by msobkow · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've worked several companies that not only encourage telework, they require it. Most people call it "tech support", and making yourself available in that capacity is not a bad thing for the career. It just means you spend your life carrying pagers and cell phones, contractually guaranteeing response times that tie you close to home and network.

    But face time is important. If no one sees you or knows what you do, you don't exist. Come budget time, neither does your paycheque.

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