15 Things Apple Should Change in Mac OS X

richi writes "Two of Computerworld's top operating systems editors, a Mac expert and a Windows expert, compare notes on what Apple should reconsider as it develops Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard. Mac OS X 10.4, or Tiger, is (in their opinion) a noticeably better operating system than XP or Vista. But it is not perfect. OS X has its own quirks and flaws, and they set out to nail down some of the 'proud nails' for the next release." From the article: "7. Inconsistent User Interface. Open iTunes, Safari and Mail. All three of these programs are Apple's own, and they're among the ones most likely to be used by Mac OS X users. So why do all three of them look different? Safari, like several other Apple-made apps such as the Finder and Address Book, uses a brushed-metal look. iTunes sports a flat gun-metal gray scheme and flat non-shiny scroll bars. Mail is somewhere in between: no brushed metal, lots of gun-metal gray, and the traditional shiny blue scroll bars. Apple is supposed to be the king of good UI, and in many areas, it is. But three widely used apps from the same company with a different look? Sometimes consistency isn't the hobgoblin of little minds."

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Window Management

[MECC]

11. Managing Window Size.
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Here's a thought that's simple and solves about 80% of the problem. What if Apple made both lower corners of Mac windows draggable? What if all four corners were? Either of those minor improvements would be quite welcome.

How about regular click an edge to move the entire window, and control-click-drag anywhere on an edge to resize? (or vice versa)

Re:Window Management

[Total_Wimp]

Oh thank god this has finally come up. As a PC user that sometimes uses a Mac, I've found this frustrating. But any time I've brought it up in casual conversation with Mac people, they've treated me like it's my fault for not understanding the superiority of the Mac UI. I was actually starting to justify in my mind that there must be something wonderful about only using the bottom, right corner and I just had to try harder to understand what it could be. Meditation wasn't helping. Seeing this on the list might save me years of therapy.

TW

Re:Window Management

[jgalun]

I think Apple has been coasting on its reputation for UI and its success with the iPod UI ever since Jobs came back, rather than any actual work they have been doing with MacOS UI. I used to own a Mac, and thought the interface was fantastic, but I really thought that MacOS X was a step backwards in the interface.

Re:Window Management

[Rocketship Underpant]

I find this is mostly a complaint either from those who haven't quite gotten how the Mac UI works yet, or people who are using poorly-designed apps.

Why, in general, do we even need to resize windows? The answer, 90% of the time, is that the window is the wrong size or shape for its contents. That's what the green "optimize" button is for -- to resize the window automatically to the same size as its contents, and properly implemented, this does just what you want. With Safari, it makes my web browser just wide enough to view the current page without scrolling, and tall enough to show all or as much of the page as possible. With Pages, it resizes the document window to fit the exact size of the document at its current zoom level. I practically never need to resize these windows.

The problem comes mainly with apps that haven't implemented the optimize button properly. The list of offenders includes Camino and all those expensive turds Adobe sells (which break almost all the rules of OS X consistency).

Re:Window Management

[GreatDrok]

"there must be something wonderful about only using the bottom, right corner "

When I got my first Mac (I liked it so much I now have four) it drove me nuts as did having to use the menu bar at the top of the screen. Also things like the mouse cursor disapearing when I scrolled a window or clicking into a window only bringing it forward rather than activating the button I clicked on. These were all things which nearly caused me to dump the platform but over time I learned that there is something wonderful about it. Muscle memory is the key. I have found that I can now do things much more quickly than originally because a flick of the mouse takes me to the top left of the screen where I hit the menu with great accuracy (trackpad too). When I want to resize a window, woosh, straight down to the bottom right corner and zip the window is resized. No danger of hitting close because I decided to widen the window up near the close button. Losing the mouse cursor when you scroll? I wouldn't have it any other way. On Windows it annoys the heck out of me that the mouse doesn't disappear when I scroll.

As more people come to the Mac from Windows, this discussion will keep coming back. The way the Mac does things isn't wrong or broken. Its just different and in time it becomes second nature.

Re:Window Management

[Total_Wimp]

I've often wondered if was just stuborness. It seems like there are a few ideas that are common in PC land and improve on the Mac way of doing things, that Apple just doesn't want to impliment purely out of a competitive spirit. I don't know if this is true, and people who use Macs often tell me I'm wrong, but for things like this I just find it difficult to believe there's any other explanation.

Here's the thing. Linux UIs freely borrow great ideas from many sources. Microsoft is famous for grabbing other peoples' good ideas. Isn't it time for Apple to learn that even their best ideas can be improved over time, even if the improvement was first implimented by another company?

TW

Re:Window Management

[dave420]

As with most things in life, I use things because I want them to do what I want, not because I want to do what they want me to. Like my OS. Even if it's all fucked up, I want it to work how I expect. There shouldn't be a learning curve with your desktop, just like there is no learning curve on a real-life desktop. You don't reach for that pen and suddenly it shoots off 50cm to the right, starts hovering in mid-air with a weird blue glow around it, quickly followed by all the contents of my desk miraculously re-arranging themselves 20cm above the top of the desk, Dana Barrat style.

The problem isn't that the users don't "get" OSX. OSX is just an operating system. You're talking about it like it's the hardest quantum theory any mere mortal could never hope to understand. I'm pretty sure I have the cognitive ability to understand what the buttons do. I just don't think "optimise" is such a great idea for resizing windows. I want to resize the window, but the UI has to step in to do it for me, as I can't be trusted? Is that it? If I want to make a window as big as my screen, shit, I paid for the OS and the software in question - I should be able to do that if I so wish.

I'm not having a go at you, I just think that you're arguing from your own perspective. I've been using computers for decades, and there ARE reasons you want to maximise/minimise your UI however you please. You blame it on the apps, but doesn't change the fact the GUI is not allowing you to fix it manually. If I wanted an authoritarian figure telling me I, or some software I've bought, is doing something stupid, I'd get some input from my wife. I don't need my GUI to tell me what to do, snatching my balls in the process :)

Re:Window Management

[BasilBrush]

I guess the reason you can't resize from edges is because OS X windows don't have borders, other than the title bar at the top. Clicking the very righthand most edge of most windows for example would be a click on the scrollbar. The bottom right hand corner is available for resizing because it's often an unused space between the two scrollbars, and if not it's on a window that isn't maximally occupied anyway.

They could make a border all the way around windows, but it would make for a much heavier design, like Windows and Linux has. Is the feature worth compromising the design for? Particularly when Zoom does the common resizing task for you anyway.

Re:Window Management

[oohshiny]

That's what the green "optimize" button is for -- to resize the window automatically to the same size as its contents

Except in iTunes, it goes between whatever size iTunes was and a tiny player window. In other apps, it makes the app full screen. In yet other apps, it toggles between two different sizes, neither of which is right.

The list of offenders includes Camino and all those expensive turds Adobe sells (which break almost all the rules of OS X consistency).

Then, apparently, Apple's applications are "turds" as well, because they are just as inconsistent.

Furthermore, if programmers are frequently inconsistent about how they implement something, then there is something wrong with the API. It's perfectly possible to come up with an API that would ensure that the green button works consistently, it's just that OSX fails to use such an API. So, no matter which way you look at it, it's Apple's fault.

Personally, I think they should simply make the green button "maximize"; that's what most users want; I never have a use for "change size to be something the application thinks may be a good size".

Re:Window Management

[nra1871]

I prefer the lower right corner method. Soooooo many times on Windows I mean to click something else, and accidentally grab the window border and expand it. This happens to me all the time, and it drives me nuts. Having one spot means I hardly ever make that mistake on OS X.

Re:Window Management

[The One and Only]

The problem isn't that the users don't "get" OSX. OSX is just an operating system. You're talking about it like it's the hardest quantum theory any mere mortal could never hope to understand.

Quite true. The problem isn't not learning OS X, the problem is not unlearning Windows. "Take up the whole fucking screen with this window" makes sense in a GUI that's based on tiling (and, despite overlapping windows having been introduced in W95, Windows is still more of a tiling GUI--no differentiation between windows and applications, menu bars in every window, etc.). The Mac GUI isn't about tiling, so the "take up the whole fucking screen with this window" functionality doesn't mesh as well with the rest of the GUI. When I work in Windows, I always want to "take up the whole fucking screen with this window" because that keeps the menu bar in a predictable location. Windows, in effect, isn't really a single multitasking workspace so much as an implementation of multiple workspaces, with one application/window/form per workspace. The motivation behind wanting Mac OS X to "take up the whole fucking screen with this window" stems partly from being stuck in the Windows singletasking frame of mind, and partly from boneheaded software vendors who design the same UI for all OS's so that Photoshop or Office has to take up the whole fucking screen by design. (Mac-only software often has a minimalist UI that can peacefully coexist with other windows and applications, unless it actually requires that much space. Tasks that are usually done with space-sucking toolbars get put into Inspector windows and such.)

Nonetheless, there's nothing stopping you from making a single Mac OS X window take up the whole fucking screen. Just hide the dock, move your window into the top left corner, and resize it until it takes up the entire screen. It's just a pointless and silly task in the Mac GUI so there's no easy shortcut for it.

Re:Window Management

[NormalVisual]

As Picasso said, "good artists copy, great artists steal." Part of what advances knowledge is building on that which came before, and Apple would do well to understand that. Case in point - it took them *forever* to produce a two-button mouse, even though the rest of the world had long before learned the advantages of such a device. It used to be pretty annoying when you'd spend $3K for a nice shiny new Mac and then still have to buy a decent mouse for it.

Apple definitely has a good UI, but they really need to get past the "not invented here" mentality in order to file some of the sharp edges off.

Re:Window Management

[The One and Only]

Because in Windows, maximizing is a useful (necessary) task that you always have to do, so putting it in a button makes sense there. This is not true of Mac OS X.

Re:Window Management

[JonathanBoyd]

Something you might find useful: Holding down command while clicking on a background window often lets you manipulate it without activating the window. E.g. in Safari, if I'm reading one window and want to check a detail in another while keeping my current one in front, I can drag the background scrollbar (or click on the arrows) while holding command and it will scroll without moving to the front. If I'm reading in Safari and want to check my mail without switching to Mail, I can just command click on the 'Get Mail' button and it will check in the background, leaving my Safari window on top. You can even drag windows about in the background using this method. One note though: if you command click on a link in a background window, it'll open in a new tab in the foreground window, though this can be advantageous at times, particularly if you use different windows for different categories of tabs.

Re:Window Management

[walt-sjc]

OK, then make it a configurable option, but give me the option. The same thing can be said for including three mouse buttons on the macbooks - make them all act like a single mouse button by default, but give me the option of making them act independently (can even make it mighty-mouse like so it doesn't look like three buttons.)

It's hard for users when companies dictate how users are allowed to use their product. What is user-friendly for one person is a total PITA for another.

Re:Window Management

[99BottlesOfBeerInMyF]

As Picasso said, "good artists copy, great artists steal." Part of what advances knowledge is building on that which came before, and Apple would do well to understand that.

Yeah, okay. Hopefully Apple knows their UI is not perfect and is willing to borrow to make it better. They seem willing as they're incorporating virtual desktops and many other features from other systems.

Case in point - it took them *forever* to produce a two-button mouse, even though the rest of the world had long before learned the advantages of such a device.

Yeah, and by watching others Apple was also able to see all the disadvantages of such a system. Usability experts the world around wish they could go back in time and make one button mice the standard and simplify their lives. One of the most common interface problems is that people click the wrong button in some instance, or both buttons simultaneously with random results. For novice users, a single button is a much, much, much better option. More than that, the end results of the standardization on one or multiple button mice makes a big difference on the software ecosystem. Given that novice users are better with one button, lets look at advanced users. On Windows and on OS X I use the same four button trackball with a scroll wheel. On both systems the primary button does the same job and the third and fourth buttons are user assignable to tasks I commonly use. The only difference is the second mouse button. Is it more usable on Windows or OS X? On OS X, it is assigned to a series of services and scripts I chose. It is up to me to decide, on a per-app or and/or global basis what is available. On Windows, this app is full of functions that the application designer chose, many of which I never want or use. Even in applications like Wordpad, this key is assigned to functions I will never, ever use, while in OS X and textedit, this button provides me with word counts, grammar checker, translation between languages, some perl scripts I commonly apply to text, and other options I've chosen. Basically, it frees up one more button for me to assign, and I need it because otherwise I'd need a mouse with 5 buttons. My third button activates expose to quickly choose apps and my fourth button activates my dashboard widgets or my virtual desktops, depending on the context. So for me, a power user, the one button default gives me one more useful button.

And what else does this affect? Have you ever used scripting applications, or alternative input devices like tablets, braille boards, spoken interfaces, etc.? Because OS X only has one button by default, all developers code to that standard and all functions are available to users of all these devices. With Windows applications, it is not uncommon for poor developers to place functionality for an application only in a right-click menu, making it difficult or impossible to access using these alternative interfaces. It encourages poor development practices.

Okay, so now lets look at Apple's multi button mouse. They have learned from the mistakes of others. By default, it works as a one button mouse so all the advantages listed above apply. In addition it works as a multi-button mouse for power users. Better yet, this change occurs in software, so a mac in your living room can have a mouse that is one button for the kids and multi-button for the grown ups or experts all without switching and hardware around and automatically set up on a per-account basis. All the benefits with none of the negatives. The only question is what about laptops? Will they make multiple buttons and option there as well? I doubt it, but it is possible. The reason is, when you use a desktop with a mouse, you either have both hands on the keyboard or one on the keyboard and one on the mouse. In the latter configuration, having to use chording with the keyboard slows a user down as they must move their hand. On a laptop, however, both hands are already in place and once you learn how it is (according to usability studies) faster to use the trackpad button with chording than it is to have multiple buttons that make you move your off hand. They might find other ways to use the trackpad to provide this, but I doubt it will be physical buttons.

Re:Window Management

[macshome]

So what is it that you are trying to do exactly? I'm not trying to just make stuff up here. I can access the Menu bar, I can access the Dock, I can change window focus, and I can hit every dialog control and button I can find. I can even make custom keystrokes for the OS and individual apps.

Like I said, I'm not trying to make stuff up. If I'm wrong please let me know where so I'm not wrong anymore. I just don't see what you are getting at...

Re:Window Management

[Total_Wimp]

Congratulations. You're one of 100% of Mac Apologists who claim there's no reason people need more mouse buttons after they just get finished saying, "I need more mouse buttons."

I've seen thread after thread here on Slashdot where someone says they wish the standard Mac laptop or mouse had more than one button. Time after time, I've seen someone like you give them a reason why they shouldn't get it. If someone says another button or two would be useful, and a bunch of other people also chime in and say it would be useful, then there's a chance it just might be useful. Telling them they're wrong for wanting it is decidedly not useful.

I have a challenge for you. Find someone, somewhere, who sometime in the 21st century has claimed that two mouse buttons are confusing. Here's the catch; They also have to demonstrate that they can use Mac OS X for general computing tasks such as surfing the web; typing, printing and saving a document; and sending a simple email.

If you can do that, I'll give you props. If you can find two, I'll admit that there might be some truth to the "one mouse button is better," assertion. If you can find three, I'll proclaim the matter closed in favor of the one button mouse.

The truth is, I don't think you'll find a single person on Earth that can do email but is actually confused by two mouse buttons.

TW

Re:Window Management

[Total_Wimp]

Are you a usability expert? I just want to know, because you spend a lot of time talking as if you are. This is not a criticism, just a question.

Tech support with GUIs is a setup. Explaining the right vs.left button is nothing compared to trying to explain scrolling to someone who doesn't know it by that name, or trying to walk someone through something that's slightly different on your screen because of a version mismatch. This isn't a mouse issue, it's an issue with the difficulty of effectively delivering remote tech support.

I'm guilty of having to think of the difference between left and right when someone gives me directions, but I don't click the wrong button any more than I mistype my password or make other inadvertent or clumsy mistakes. I'm guessing this is the same for almost everyone. This is not a mouse issue, but a human dexterity issue. Getting rid of a button doesn't fix it, it just moves your clumsy errors to occurring at the menu bar. If your father truly forgets which button does which, I'll be impressed in a clinical sense that his memory is so selectively bad with this, but works just fine with email addresses. If it's just an inadvertent mistake, please reference the first part of this paragraph for what I think of the relevance.

Your mom? I don't know what to say. Is it really that much easier for her to use a one-button mouse, or were there other OS differences she found easier to work with on a Mac? I will admit, some people find Macs easier. I've met 'em. I don't doubt their sincerity.

But I've never, ever witnessed people having trouble figuring out which button to press on a two-button mouse. In fact, of all the dense, clueless, dangerous, can't-figure-out-how-to-plug-the-computer-in Windows users I've worked with in my decade-long IT career, I've never once observed a mouse related issue, other that the simple misunderstandings in verbal description that plaque _all_ tech support (yes, even tech support for Macs). I've had to explain scroll-bars, then arrows, then "those little triangles." I've had to explain that even though the phone cord will fit in the network slot, it will not work. Twice. To the same person. I had a user tell me she lost her Word docs and when I asked her where she stored them she said, "in Word." No amount of cajoling could get her to understand a file structure, or, in fact, the reason her documents were gone was that her entire computer had just been replaced. Yet none of these people had any confusion over mouse buttons, including one of them (the scroll bar guy) who was using a stylus on a tablet where a tap was left and a hold-the-button tap was right.

Does your mom really dislike the mouse rather than the Windows OS? Heck, she's your mom, so you're the one best qualified to know. I'll give you this one. But if you are a usability expert, or you know of some places where one could find usability studies, I'd love to see one made in the 21st century that says one button is better than two. I know I've asked and you've already delivered, but it's just so hard for me to understand what goes so strongly against what I've actually observed: two buttons are no real problem, one button is no real help, and getting a menu with the stuff you need on it without moving your mouse an inch is, as they say in the MasterCard commercial, Priceless.

TW

That's good and all...

[XxtraLarGe]

But OS X 10.5 is pretty much in the can. Right now, Apple is focusing on bug fixes/performance tweaks. Some of these are good suggestions, maybe they'll take them up for OS X 10.6 guys...

Re:That's good and all...

[Bastian]

a. Apple is secretive by nature
Apple tends to be secretive about a lot of its stuff, but in the ramp-up to a new release of OS X they always get into bragging a LOT. Developer feature previews and what not are plastered all over Apple's website. I have NEVER seen an example of Apple waiting until launch date to unveil a "key technology" in their OS.

b. Leopard is still very early in development

Huh? Apple has already shipped more than one 10.5 developer preview so far. I believe they have a lot of folks in Cupertino already shifted over to it (as a beta test), and it's slated to come out sometime this spring. They first announced it to people over a year ago, so they've probably been working on it for at least two years. That is not early development.

Re:That's good and all...

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

Better 100$ than 500$..

Now, who said macs where more expensive? :P

Not sure all of these are correct...exactly

[owlnation]

Can't put widgets on the Desktop? Um, you can actually - but you need a widget to do it. The Devmode widget for one.

And that solves the whole "no date on the desktop" one - and probably some of the others too.

Re:Not sure all of these are correct...exactly

[Col. Klink (retired)]

And that solves the whole "no date on the desktop" one - and probably some of the others too.

Just run ical and today's date appears in the calendar icon.

Re:Not sure all of these are correct...exactly

[wumpus188]

No additional widgets required. Just open Terminal and do this

defaults write com.apple.dashboard devmode YES

After that, press F12 and start dragging widget.. then (while still dragging) press F12 again and drop widget on the desktop.

Re:Not sure all of these are correct...exactly

[jargoone]

And if you're not running iCal, it shows the wrong fucking date. Convenient my ass.

Re:Not sure all of these are correct...exactly

[macron1]

the terminal entry is not even required, just activate the dashboard, then click that "+" thing in a circle that reveals all the widgets available on your mac. Then click and hold any widget and drag it out of that widgets list, and then press F12 to deactivate the dashboard while still holding on to the widget. you should then be able to drop the widget on to your desktop. next time you activate the dashboard, your desktop widget will be subsumed into the actual dashboard thingamagig. good times

Noooooooooo

[Frankie70]

But it(Tiger) is not perfect.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo.

What I think they should change...

[garcia]

I come from an OS/2, Windows, and Linux (some X but mostly CLI as of recent) background. I have a Mac (because of the Mini) and I just cannot get used to using it. In fact, I dislike it in almost every single way. The only reason it continues to be my desktop machine is because my SMP box has a bad CPU fan on one of the chips and I'm too cheap to replace both.

* I hate the fact that I can never find *anything* I'm looking for. I spend entirely too long searching around for applications, their support files, and system configuration options. I realize that Apple designs these things for people who aren't familiar with computers, but fuck, it makes it hard for someone that is quite comfy with Linux and Windows configurations.

* I hate the fact that I have no idea what the fuck is going on behind the scenes with the Mac. Yeah, XP has gotten to this point but I guess because I have a basic idea built up over the years from other versions of Windows, I don't mind as much. Being built on Unix, I would expect to understand more about what OS X is doing -- but I don't.

* I really don't like the fact that I *could* do stuff on the CLI but I can never find out how. The files aren't in the locations I would expect.

As I said, I use it as my desktop (which is basically web browsing) but that's because I don't have a choice. I have a friend that is amazed as how often mine "pinwheels". I have a 1.42 with a GB of RAM and it still pinwheels constantly. "That's just not right," he says. I agree.

While I don't think Apple should be like Windows or Linux or OS/2, I really do think that they should reconsider their design choices or make some easy to find options that would change their design to fit the needs of everyone if they so choose (like putting the minimize and close options on the "correct" side of the window ;))

Re:What I think they should change...

[QuoteMstr]

All your points will apply to any modern operating system, not just Apples. Computers have a certain unavoidable complexity, and if you don't bother to learn how they work, they won't.

If you don't like OS X, why not install Linux on that machine? Then at least your configuration files will be where you expect them.

Re:What I think they should change...

[Wudbaer]

Regarding the beachballing of death: Give your Mini a real harddisk if you still have the stock drive in it. The stock drive at least in the first series G4 MacMinis is an atrocity. Put in some faster 2.5'' drive and it will be a new machine (at least that did it for mine, before it was excruciatingly slow, now it is really fine).

Re:What I think they should change...

[Recovering Hater]

I realize that Apple designs these things for people who aren't familiar with computers, but fuck, it makes it hard for someone that is quite comfy with Linux and Windows configurations.

Seriously, I'm not trying to troll, but Linux is not really like the flavor of unix Apple has built their OS up from. Maybe you could try delving into the way Darwin and FreeBSD organize their file system.

Here are some links that might be a jumping off point:

http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Co nceptual/KernelProgramming/BSD/chapter_11_section_ 3.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000905-CH214-TPXREF 103

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_sys tem)

Re:What I think they should change...

[bobalu]

I have the same background, but let's face it, it's just a different system and there's a lot in there. It's frustrating because you know all this stuff and think you should be able to dive right in, but it takes a good deal of spelunking to actually get it together.

I'm going through the same thing. I've been using my Macs to do video editing and as a user I'm fine, but getting down to the system can be a little confusing. Just roll up your sleeves and let go of your preconceived notions of how things should be. Eventually you'll get it. I've actually had more luck with the Java examples than some of the other system stuff, but mostly because I'm not that familiar with Apache.

Re:What I think they should change...

[russellh]

Might I recommend the book Mac OS X for Unix Geeks. Try the System Overview at Apple (that doc is a PDF so I linked to the search results instead). And check out Darwin guides.

Re:What I think they should change...

[Abcd1234]

I hate the fact that I can never find *anything* I'm looking for.

This is because you're unfamiliar with OSX.

I hate the fact that I have no idea what the fuck is going on behind the scenes with the Mac.

Also because you're unfamiliar with OSX.

I really don't like the fact that I *could* do stuff on the CLI but I can never find out how.

Also because you're unfamiliar with OSX.

Here, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret: OSX isn't Linux or Windows. It works differently. As a result, you might actually have to *learn something about it*. Clearly what you want is for OSX to be exactly like Linux or Windows. But the very fact that it *isn't* is what makes it attractive to so many people. So get your learn on and quit bitching, ffs.

PS. I'm not an OSX user. But people who bitch about a product because it isn't what *they* want it to be really tick me off, especially if it's clear they haven't bothered to try and adapt. I'd have the same problem with a Windows user who switched to Linux and then whined about how they couldn't use regedit.

Re:What I think they should change...

[admdrew]

I don't want to have to configure everything with some strange files at /etc

I also don't want to be re-installing my operating system every 6 months in order for it to behave ok

Funny thing, I've had to do neither, and I know I'm not alone in that.

Re:What I think they should change...

[Pope]

I hate the fact that I can never find *anything* I'm looking for. I spend entirely too long searching around for applications, their support files, and system configuration options. I realize that Apple designs these things for people who aren't familiar with computers, but fuck, it makes it hard for someone that is quite comfy with Linux and Windows configurations.

Applications live in the Applications or Utilities folders. Support files? Depends on how much of a sadist the programmers were, but they're generally bundled within the .app bundles, or show up in ~/Library/Application Support/ Preference files are almost always in ~/Library/Preferences/ like you'd expect. It's far better than Windows' insistence on *hiding* user files in %AppData%.

System Configuration options? You mean the ones that are accessed from the always-available System Preferences? You seriously didn't look very hard, did you? Hell, for deeper hacking go READ osxhints.com.

I hate the fact that I have no idea what the fuck is going on behind the scenes with the Mac. Yeah, XP has gotten to this point but I guess because I have a basic idea built up over the years from other versions of Windows, I don't mind as much. Being built on Unix, I would expect to understand more about what OS X is doing -- but I don't.

Why do you care what's going on "behind the scenes" so much? Go get a $free developer account at Apple, download all the Developer Tools, and start READING.

I really don't like the fact that I *could* do stuff on the CLI but I can never find out how. The files aren't in the locations I would expect.

Which files? Again, do some READING.

Honestly, almost all of your objections stem from the fact that you haven't put a single bit of effort to educate yourself about Mac OS X. You claim you're "quite comfy" with Linux and Windows, but you sure as hell didn't get that knowledge from osmosis. I only use Windows at work, and I know q bit more about some of the guts of the way it works because I did some READING.

Re:What I think they should change...

[Thumper_SVX]

And your average user is going to use locate... when? When they launch that command prompt that most OSX users don't even know exists? Sorry, doesn't fly. In the GUI you have Spotlight... that's essentially doing the same job for average Joe User.

Oh, so YOU want locate? Well, since you obviously know it exists and what it does you must be a power user... therefore you should either know how to enable the database maintenance or put a little effort into a two minute Google search to find the answer.

Your objections don't stand up. Remember, OSX is made for the average user... if you want your power tools that'll get you UNIX functionality you need to put in a little more work. However, that amount of work is still significantly less than your average UNIX requires to be user-friendly.

Oh, and in response to the GGP, you've obviously never used an flavor of UNIX other than Linux. Linux is NOT UNIX despite what some might want to tell you. It's inspired by UNIX but doesn't follow many of the forms that became common in true UNIX platforms. OSX is closer to BSD than Linux is, and as such I'm quite comfy in that environment having cut my teeth on NetBSD, FreeBSD and AT&T UNIX (yes, the real deal). Just because nothing is where you expect it coming from a hobbyist UNIX platform, doesn't mean it's automatically wrong. In fact, OSX has more in common with most commercial UNIX's (Unices?) than Linux will ever have. As a result, I think it's a better UNIX.

Just as an aside, is it wrong for Apple to make X11 an optional install that runs after the main GUI? No, because that's what OSX does. The average user doesn't need or want X11... and if you want or need X11 you're a power user almost by default. As such, you should be comfortable with installing it. If you really want to make OSX more Linux-like, download Fink and start installing some more GPL tools... I am a power user, and I'm glad I put in the extra work to learn OSX properly. I've used OS/2, Windows (since 2.0 and up to and including Vista), Mac (from the original MacOS to OSX), GEM, Linux, UNIX (various), AmigaOS, OS/400, S/36, and quite a number of embedded and RTOS's. I have to say that for me, OSX fits the bill. It does everything I want it to, very little that I don't. It's not perfect, but no OS has ever been perfect. I use it because it just works... because I can get my work done. I can tinker with the internals if I want to, but I rarely have to.

And by the way, app bundles are the bomb. Sure, they use a little more disk space... but disk space is cheap. Think of your applications as a folder (which they literally are in the UNIX filesystem) that contain all of the stuff you need to run the app including configs in some apps. Right click on an app and Show Package Contents sometime... it's quite educational. And download the dev packages and learn something about the OS. Even if you have no intention of developing software, the development kit is incredibly deep and will teach you more about the OS than you ever thought possible.

Re:What I think they should change...

[arloguthrie]

That's horrible what your Mac mini is doing. It must take you, like, 20 minutes to copy a 17MB file.

Re:What I think they should change...

[norminator]

That's because he's asking about non-"n00b" questions... With Linux, you're expected to have to ask around on forums a read lots of man pages to learn how to do the kinds of tasks that Linux people do. He wants to know how to do the same types of things in OS X, but he's expecting those things to come as easily as the normal every day user tasks in OS X. Just because it's made by Apple doesn't mean messing with the "under-the-hood" things is easier than it is with Linux. You still have to do some work and research to understand the internals.

Re:What I think they should change...

[Keith Russell]

If you're looking for a cheaper alternative, get an external Firewire enclosure and throw any 3.5" 7200 RPM hard drive you like in it. That did wonders for my G4 mini's speed, I was able to reuse an old drive from my PC, and it's easier than trying to pry a mini open with a putty knife.

Re:What I think they should change...

[Doctor O]

I have switched from PCs with Windows and Linux to a Powerbook two years ago. I can't tell you why "everyone" is "excited", but I can tell you why *my* next home machine will be a Mac:

* I can ssh into my Linux and FreeBSD boxen and use Apple's X11 to seamlessly work with those (in OSX 10.3 use ssh -CX, in 10.4 better use ssh -CY).
* Via VirtualPC (or Parallels for those with Intel Macs), I can use the very few Windows apps I need and test my stuff in IE.
* Considering the former two points, I can use Linux apps, Windows apps and Macintosh apps all at the same time on the same screen, with good performance, and without ever having to reboot to change environments.
* You have a complete set of your *nix toolset, so that you can scp, grep, tail, sed, rsync, whois... all you want.

As for your complaint that the config files aren't 'where they belong', I think this is intentional so that you don't go and edit lots of stuff and expect the machine to do the same as your Linux box would. It IS a different animal after all, and as long as cron works as well as it does (for my backup), I'll gladly leave the server stuff to my real BSD boxen (read: I haven't found anything I want to do with the Powerbook I'd need to edit config files for).

OSX is far from perfect, but gives me a good mix of having the most things I need available while letting me conveniently access everything else. So when you're like me and use your fair share of Mac apps, you get the best of all three worlds.

Re:What I think they should change...

[Abcd1234]

Yes but the whole point of a product is for it to work how you want it, not the other way around.

Yeah, no kidding! For example, I'm really experienced with using hammers, but today, I decided to go out and buy a screwdriver. And you know what? The damn thing can't even pound a nail! It expects me to use these "screw" things I've never seen before, and you have to put them in by *twisting*! I don't want to twist, I wanna pound!

Re:What I think they should change...

[spasm]

spotlight is amazing for finding files in your home directory but close to useless for finding system files (one of the OP's main complaints). as a simple example, try finding where apple has put the 'whoami' bin using spotlight. on my machine, spotlight finds 41 files (mostly random .h files) but not the executable itself. locate happily spits out:

172:~ pete$ locate whoami /usr/bin/ldapwhoami /usr/bin/whoami /usr/sbin/bpwhoami /usr/share/man/man1/bpwhoami.1 /usr/share/man/man1/ldapwhoami.1 /usr/share/man/man1/whoami.1
172:~ pete$

I love spotlight, but I'd love it even more if I knew how to tell it to index the whole machine..

Re:What I think they should change...

[prichardson]

If you're pin-wheeling a lot, I recommend opening up Activity Monitor (in /Applications/Utilities), a GUI front-end for top and see what's running. If you prefer just running top, fire up the terminal and do so. If it's the same process that's causing you to hang (applications that aren't responding are listed in red), then do some investigating about that process. As much as I hate to say it, you might have just gotten a wonky install, and backing up and reinstalling might work some of this out. There's an "archive and install" option on the install disk that does that pretty well for you.

I'm a big fan of MenuMeters ( http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/menumeters/ ) for showing different loads on my system.

Also, Apple's website has a huge knowledge base about all the internals of the system. There's a good amount on specific differences between what they do and general linux principals.

Re:What I think they should change...

[ciggieposeur]

You installed Linux and it automagically recognised all you USB peripherals,

Yes.

it installed nice drivers for your printer (no, I'm not talking about those crapy GIMP drivers)

The printer was a network printer, so I had to tell CUPS what IP it was on and what make it was. After that, yes it worked well.

and it also configured 3D acceleration to your graphic card.

I had to download the nVidia driver myself, exit X, and run the installer. After that it worked well.

You didn't had to configure fstab to mount your windows or other external partitions,

The Debian installer found all the other partitions and asked which ones to put in fstab.

nor to configure your bluethoot device, and you TV card worked right out of the box ... yeah, right.

Don't have those, so I don't know.

Also:

* My sound card and modem were autodetected at boot time and setup correctly.

* DVDs play right out of the box with Kaffeine. (No need to install a DVD codec like Windows.)

* K3b located my CD and DVD burners automatically.

None of these required messing with stuff in /etc .

12. Documents and App Instances on the Dock

[XxtraLarGe]

This one would be a complete disaster. The dock is cluttered enough as it is. That's what they made Expose' for.

Re:12. Documents and App Instances on the Dock

[el_womble]

Agreed. Its like the authors have never used windows. Within 10 minutes of sitting at my desk at work I have 20 or so application instances running from cmd and textpad to Eclipse. It renders the bottom of my screen useless. You might say "Ahh, but XP collates them into a single button!", thats worse!!! The only system I've found that manages 20+ windows effectively is Expose.

As for the comment about printer support... plug printer into Airport, press print in any application on any computer on the network and then select printer from the bonjour printer list. Easy. Want a direct connection, skip the part about the Airport.

They had a point with the look and feel, but to be honest it doesn't bother me as perhaps it should. And cut and paste is just not the mac way of doing things... we drag and drop EVERYTHING and Expose makes that easy.

I'm sure given time I could come up with 15 things that annoy me about OS X, but their gripes seem trivial at best. How about disconnection from network drives slowing down the WHOLE system? Or the way the firewall settings are in 'Sharing'. Trivial things that annoy me are that fink hasn't been absorbed into the default install and X11 is still concidered an optional extra - being able to install quality free software like Scribus/The Gimp from a Synaptic like interface could really open peoples eyes to OSS.

Re:12. Documents and App Instances on the Dock

[peragrin]

not quite the author's point but he still missed the obvious.

Open up your HD and drag the applications folder to the dock. If you click onit, it opens the folder. If you right-click on it you get a contextual menu of everything it contains.

I know that some people use spotlight. both are just as fast for me though if my hand is on the mouse anyways I will use the mouse.

Re:12. Documents and App Instances on the Dock

[GraZZ]

If your app has a properly implemented Window menu, all its windows will be listed in there.

I can't tell if the writer is unhappy that you can't do this on the Dock without the context menu or if he thinks that context menu on the Dock is the only way to get a list of windows. It isn't.

Also learning the keyboard shortcut Cmd-` (beside 1) to switch between an app's windows is your friend.

WTF ? No F2 ?

[Anonymous Coward]

"2. Renaming Isn't Easy. The process of renaming files is highly mouse-centric on the Mac. There's no F2 option (as there is on Windows) that lets you select the file and press F2 to expose the filename-editing mode. The mouse process requires very precisely timed mouse clicks. Anyone who has ever been forced to rename a long list of files under both Windows and Mac operating systems will likely agree that the Windows way is easier. --Michael Cullison"

Well, pressing the 'Enter' key does precisely that.

Re:WTF ? No F2 ?

[Divebus]

Highlight the file/folder and hit return.

Re:WTF ? No F2 ?

[HTH NE1]

2. Renaming Isn't Easy. The process of renaming files is highly mouse-centric on the Mac. There's no F2 option (as there is on Windows) that lets you select the file and press F2 to expose the filename-editing mode.

You hit F2 in Windows to rename files? And that's supposed to be intuitive?

Re:WTF ? No F2 ?

[_xeno_]

No. It's not supposed to be intuitive. It's supposed to be useful.

There are quite a few really useful Windows short cuts that aren't exactly easy to find. They're there for power users more than they're there for "regular" users. Once you learn to use them, they're very useful. I'm sure someone can find Mac OS X shortcuts that aren't exactly easy to discover but make certain tasks far easier.

Unfortunately Windows makes it painfully difficult to discover these shortcuts (they're not listed as accelerators in the right-click menu or in the corresponding menu in the application menu) but that's a different complaint.

Re:WTF ? No F2 ?

[my_breath_smells]

CMD + down arrow (apple + down arrow) will open the highlighted file or app

Re:WTF ? No F2 ?

[neoform]

Apparently he doesn't understand that Return or Enter is the OSX equivalent of F2..

Re:WTF ? No F2 ?

[koreth]

Which, coincidentally, just happens to be my #1 OSX UI peeve. Why should hitting Enter do something I almost never want to do (rename the file) instead of what I intuitively expect it to do (open the file)? Everywhere else in the UI, Enter is short for "execute the currently selected function," but somehow you're expected to want to spend all day renaming files rather than actually using them.

Yes, I know about command-O. I'm saying it would make much more UI sense for rename (the rarely-used function) to require a two-keystroke command, and for the keystroke that usually means "execute whatever's currently selected" to open the file.

Re:WTF ? No F2 ?

[keytoe]

Opening a document can be an extremely expensive operation if the owning application isn't already running (think Photoshop). Opening the WRONG document can be a WASTED extremely expensive operation. When fat-fingering the return/enter keys, I would much rather the Finder toggle me into 'edit filename' mode than have it launch Photoshop.

This philosophy is scattered all around the OS. The more expensive the operation, the more input you need to provide. That applies to dialog boxes with and without default options as well as shortcut keys. Incidentally, this addresses the Shutdown/Restart confirmation complaint as well - both terribly expensive operations (as noted elsewhere, this is avoidable by holding down option key - more input).

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[TeacherOfHeroes]

One of the things thats always bothered me when I use OS X is the way that the maximize button behaves. I can see how its behaviour under OS X makes sense in a certain way (Only enlarging to be 'big enough'), but I maximize a window to hide the clutter behind it as well as to see some more content in the foreground window.

I've dug around in the system preferences a bit, and looked on google as well, and can't seem to find any way of changing this behaviour. Would an option to change behaviour be so hard? As silly as it may sound, its been one of the few annoying things thats really been keeping me from using OS X in any serious manner.

NUmber 10 is flat out silly

[Moby Cock]

I must take exception to their: 10. Accessing Applications discussion. Having a second tier of apps or whatever on the dock, would, I think ruin the minimalist elegance of the dock. Finding lesser used apps is what Spotlight if for. Click the button (or Apple+Space, which is much simpler) and type what you want. Done. No expanding submenus a la the Start Menu.

Re:NUmber 10 is flat out silly

[phillymjs]

I gave Spotlight a chance, but IMHO it couldn't match the speed or configurability of LaunchBar for launching apps (among other things). I think Apple should just buy LaunchBar or QuickSilver and integrate it into the OS.

Re:NUmber 10 is flat out silly

[varmittang]

Or better yet, drag and drop the Applications folder to the right side of the dock, then right click on it and you will get a drop down menu like display of all the apps in the applications folder. That is what I do.

I really don't know...

[spikev]

...if we should trust someone to give design interface advice who spreads their article over four pages.

Re:I really don't know...

[concept10]

This is why no one should take these articles seriously. They only serve to drive page views. These type of articles are the ones I hate most posted on the web.. someone authored a piece last year about driving web traffic and they said the easiest way it to write articles/blog posts with titles such as "10 Reasons you should...", "15 Most annoying..", "12 Applications you should have." You get the point. I have digg in my RSS reader under Slashdot and I see at least 5 of these type of articles every single day and we hatesssss it. The author is nitpicking at best, there is nothing really serious in there except for the complaint about Finder. Every other thing could probably be handled with some third party app. Anyway, this is why I prefer the GNOME desktop to Aqua.

looking different

[__aahlyu4518]

"Open iTunes, Safari and Mail. All three of these programs are Apple's own, and they're among the ones most likely to be used by Mac OS X users. So why do all three of them look different? "

Maybe because you don't want to click 'reply' when you want to buy a song? ;-)

UI (in)consistency?

[stivi]

Many times I read about UI inconsistency in Apple applications, such as those mentioned in the post: Mail, Safari, iTunes. I note it as well, that they look different. However, I realize that I do not feel the inconsistency whle working with them, I do not notice it. Strange, how come? How it is possible, that I was feeling the inconsistency on my Linux machine even there was unified look of all applications and I am still feeling inconsistency on any Windows machine where is unified look as well? I found out, that it is not about the look, but more about the feel, more about the behavior of applications, more about expectations how the applications will react to your commands, how the applications understand your intentions.

I agree, UI look in Apple applications is not consistent, but the behavior is in majority cases consistent. And that is what counts. While working, you do not notice whether the app is brushed metal, Aqua or grayish plastic.

It is just my observation...

The actual quote...

[MarkusQ]

Sometimes consistency isn't the hobgoblin of little minds.

IIRC, the actual quote they were going for is "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" and the point he was making is that small-minded people tend to get bogged down worrying about consistency where it doesn't really matter. In other words, if your list of biggest gripes includes items like this, get a life.

--MarkusQ

Maybe it is just me

[Nick Fury]

The person or persons who wrote this article seemed to be in a hurry to come up with 15 items. Three of them are all about how to view things sorted in Finder and even then they seem to relate back to resizing the window, which is also one of the items listed.

I think they were rushed to meet a deadline and were really just wanting to cause a ruckus with an editorial piece about how Apple is not to their personal liking. I don't think they actually put much effort into writing this article.

The shutdown thing is laughable. It actually takes me less key presses to shutdown on my Mac than on my windows machine. If the person writing the article had patience they could also wait the 25 seconds it takes the machine to shutdown automatically once the shutdown button has been pressed. Personally, I use that time to get up and stretch for a few seconds.

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[eldepeche]

It isn't a maximize button. The last time I owned a computer that primarily ran Windows was in 2001, so I'm used to it. I use the "Application -> Hide others" command to get rid of the clutter of other windows.

7. Motif is not user interface, etc

[penultimateman]

#7 is just silly. First of all, brushed metal and shiny scroll bars have nothing to do with user interface. These are surface elements which are totally seperate from functional (ie UI) elements. Secondly, why should all applications look the same to begin with? The rooms in my house don't all look the same. Each of these applications look different because they are different. All doorknobs don't look the same, but I still know how to use them. If an application is intuitive and responsive, like iTunes, Safari, and Mail, it should look different from other applications. It's called style. I suspect #7 was written by a computer with poor visual pattern recognition.

I don't want all my apps to look the same...

[Fysiks Wurks]

From the article (and Summary): "7. Inconsistent User Interface. Open iTunes, Safari and Mail. All three of these programs are Apple's own, and they're among the ones most likely to be used by Mac OS X users. So why do all three of them look different?"

I don't want my apps to all looks the same . Just like I don't want all women to look the same; women all have the same basic framework and operating system. But I definatley want to be able to quickly distinguish between my wife and my mother-in-law! "Hey honey, I thought I'd join you in the shower.....DEAR GOD Nooooooo!"

I do want the menu bars, etc., to follow a standard so features are easy to find - like prefereneces, print, quit, etc.

My list

[also-rr]

A while a go I posted my list of things that I didn't like about OSX and I got some good responses that fixed a few.

The good news (for me) is that now Linux on powerbooks is very, very good - not only do all the key things like wireless (with WPA), suspend, sound, 3d acceleration etc work perfectly but with Beryl installed it actually looks far better than OS X. I was sitting in an internet cafe yesterday and people were being awed by OS X... except it wasn't OS X at all. I said almost two years ago that Linux was catching up with OS X for look and feel... well, now it has. Even with Gnome apps mixed into a KDE desktop the behavior (thanks to an awful lot of work by the Kubuntu/Ubuntu guys) is more consistant across applications than anything you will find on OS X or Windows.

Oh, and with MOL installed (so it's one button press to switch to/from full screen OS X almost as fast as on native hardware) there really are no downsides.

Re:What i thought sucked about OSX...

[AKAImBatman]

Drag the Applications folder into the Dock, next to the Trash can. (Be careful not to trash it!) You should get a shortcut on the Dock that's easy to access. The three ways are:

1. Click on the icon to open the Applications folder.

2. Right click to get a popup menu.

3. Hold down the left button (or single button if you're using a stock mouse) until you get a popup menu.

That's what I use, and it works exceptionally well.

One more

[Bastian]

2 mouse buttons on the notebooks, people! Physical buttons! Three would be even better!

I get the impression that the folks in Cupertino have never tried to use an X11 app with a one-button mouse. God damn that's a painful experience.

Re:One more

[Bastian]

The problem isn't actually right-clicking. Right click is easy to get to on a Mac, either with the two-finger click (which isn't available on my computer) or with option-click.

The problem is that a lot of X11 apps require a THIRD mouse button. On a two-button mouse you can at least click both buttons to simulate a third one. The X11 server for OS X will also allow you to option-click to simulate a third button click.

But then, let's suppose you're using an image editing program that makes liberal use of combining modifier keys with left clicks in order to access extra functionality. There's no way you can use this stuff on a Mac with a one-button mouse because option-left click isn't option-left click, it's middle click.

Even more annoying is the #$@#% Mighty Mouse, which has buttons out the wazoo but was designed in such a boneheaded way that it's no different from a one-button mouse from the perspective of someone who uses UNIX apps on their Mac. There's no way to left and right click at the same time, and none of the additional buttons register as a third mouse button to the operating system.

I realize that having only one mouse button is nice from various high-and-lofty perspectives, but there at least needs to be the option to buy a MacBook with more than one mouse button for those of us who really do need it for our day-to-day work. I imagine that just that would make a lot of Unix geeks a lot more willing to move over to the Mac. Right now I have a Powerbook and for the most part I love it, but it's supreme pain in the ass that I have to carry a mouse everywhere I go to be able to do some tasks.

Re:One more

[tdhurst]

OH hell yeah! Apple should DEFINITELY abandon their simplistic one-button scheme to satisfy the tens of people using X11.

navigating OS X by keyboard :: #1 problem

[bartlettdmoore]

Apple continues to drop the ball on the keyboard issue. Many dialog boxes require mouse input when a simple 'arrow over then press enter or spacebar' would be most sensible. What's worse is that some of OS X's dialog boxes respond to keyboard input while others don't--very frustrating! Windows got this right way early (I'm talking version 3 or earlier) and their key bindings have pretty much remained constant (and thus predictable) since. I love the Mac OS, but this drives me--and other power users--crazy! Its time for Apple to get on board with the keys on the keyboard. I'm appalled that the Computerworld article missed this flagrent impediment to using OS X to get things done...

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[TeacherOfHeroes]

That is part of my point as well. I'm writing this in Gnome/Ubuntu. I have three window managers installed on this machine (KWin, Metacity, and Beryl), and all of them behave in the same way. I suspect that I could easily apt-get a few more that also behaved the same way. Windows also behaves the same way. Almost everything behaves in that same way. I realize that Apple likes to be different, but sometimes it would be nice if they at least included the option for the rest of us to do things the way that we're used to doing them. I know, I know, I have no right to demand anything from them. Thing is, Apple's big push now seems to be in winning converts from other operating systems. While I wouldn't hold some unusual default settings against them (I may very well like some of the different ways of doing things), I would very much like to have at least the option of changing things a bit.

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[mmkkbb]

Hold option while you click the zoom button, and the window goes up to full screen.

Some of these are just ignorant...

[Senjutsu]

I guess this specific one is "reader-contributed", but it's still increadibly daft:

2. Renaming Isn't Easy. The process of renaming files is highly mouse-centric on the Mac. There's no F2 option (as there is on Windows) that lets you select the file and press F2 to expose the filename-editing mode. The mouse process requires very precisely timed mouse clicks. Anyone who has ever been forced to rename a long list of files under both Windows and Mac operating systems will likely agree that the Windows way is easier. --Michael Cullison

Hey Mike - arrow key until the file you want to rename is hilighted - and push enter. Wooooooo, scary hard.

Re:Some of these are just ignorant...

[trudyscousin]

If Enter renames files, how do you open a file without the mouse?

Command-O. (i.e., the key with the cloverleaf and Apple symbol)

Re:Some of these are just ignorant...

[fishbot]

I agree that it is very easy to rename files. Unfortunately, people coming from Windows or Linux or other non-Mac backgrounds will likely navigate with cursors, press enter, then get annoyed that the application didn't launch. option-down arrow is not an intuitive way to launch something with the keyboard, and renaming is not something that is done often enough that it deserves the prestige of being assigned the enter key; the most likely key to be hit if the user wants (what they consider to be) the default action - launching.

Re:Some of these are just ignorant...

[the phantom]

Command-O or Command-DownArrow.

Re:Some of these are just ignorant...

[Bastian]

I do a lot of training Windows users to use OS X at my job.

I've discovered that the primary roadblock for most people is that they assume that if you can't do it the same way you do on Windows, then there's no way to do it.

This is as much a problem for skilled users such as developers and administrators as it is for folks who can barely operate a mouse.

Re:Some of these are just ignorant...

[carpe_noctem]

Sorry, I have to object, as the renaming thing really bugs me on the Mac, too. "Enter" is the "go" key, as far as most people are concerned. It's big, and makes a satisfying "chunk" when you press it. In Explorer, pressing "enter" on a file opens it, which is what the natural behavior should be. Renaming the file instead is really strange, and it results in lots of novice users accidentally renaming their hard drive to "aaaaasssdf" and so on.

If anything, option+enter or something should rename, but I'm a staunch believer that this design flaw should be fixed in Finder.

Re:Some of these are just ignorant...

[poot_rootbeer]

Hey Mike - arrow key until the file you want to rename is hilighted - and push enter. Wooooooo, scary hard.

That's a design WTF in itself.

Enter is a primary action key, has been since people were using VT100 terminals. When you press Enter in the context of some interface resource, it should perform the primary action associated with that resource: navigate into a folder. Open a document. Launch a program.

Instead it allows the user to modify the resource name? That's not a primary action!

Honestly, I can't blame Mike for not knowing about this. It's not like the "Rename" item in Finder's menus mentions that Enter is a hotkey for that action. Actually, it's not like the Finder menus even have a "Rename" item.

Re:Some of these are just ignorant...

[pesc]

Coming from windows or linux, I'd never have thought to try this.

You could open the Help window and search for "rename file" and learnt the shortcut.

But coming from windows or linux, you probably wouldn't have thought about that either! ;-)

The help texts are actually very useful on OS X.

Re:Some of these are just ignorant...

[Senjutsu]

Yes, this works but it is counterintuitive (F2 isn't intuitive, except maybe to Excel users, btu it also isn't counterintuitive). One would expect ENTER on a file to launch the file, ENTER being a standard key for execute, confirm, do, etc.

It's neither intuitive nor counter-intuitive; it's merely a design decision. People with a Windows background might expect enter to open the file, but the millions of people with years of experience with Macs would find it horribly counter to their trained expectations. Intuitive != Windows-esque, especially when Apple has a large long-term customer base with their own set of expectations.

Personally I think F2 is a perverse renaming choice and much prefer enter/return, but that's purely a function of trained background rather than "intuitiveness".

Re:Some of these are just ignorant...

[GaryPatterson]

Design flaw? You mean the same behaviour that's existed since 1984, unchanged and consistent across all OS revisions?

Sounds less like a design flaw and more like personal preferences. There are reasons that command-O is used instead of the enter key (more common action is renaming rather than launching) and I find Windows to be outside what I'd expect based on how people use Windows Explorer.

(It took someone at work to tell me that F2 goes to rename files. F2? Who thought that was obvious?)

Two applications open simultanteously

[pubjames]

I want to be able two have two applications running "in the foreground" simultaneously.

What do I mean? Well, I have two big monitors and often work with several applications at once, for instance, Photoshop and Flash or Photoshop and Final Cut Pro. I would like to be able to run them side by side, simultaneously, not have just the one in the "foreground" open.

The problems at the moment are that it is very fiddly to position palettes etc between two applications so they do not overlap, lots of the palette windows disappear when when an application is not in the foreground, and there are lots of other petty annoyances.

How familiar with Mac OS X are these people?

[ptomblin]

Point 12: They seem to be complaining about how hard it is to find individual windows for an application. Haven't they seen Expose? No? How about splat-` to cycle through the windows of the current application?

Point 10: It's awkward to find applications too rare to put on the dock? I dragged my Applications folder to the dock as a folder. If I mouse over to it, I get a drop down menu of every app in the whole folder. Or I can double click on it to open the folder. Or I can go to Spotlight and type the first couple of letters of the application name and have it find the app very quickly.

User Point 3: The Apple mouse doesn't have three buttons. I spent a whole $9 for a Logitech optical wheel mouse, and all the buttons (including the scroll wheel) work just fine with no configuration.

Please Use Windows' Focus Model and Key Nav

[KidSock]

Oh, please switch to the Windows focus model and key navigation. When I first used my Mac mini I thought it was broken. I litterally went to the forums and asked questions about it. I couldn't figure out how I could launch an app and then loose it even though it appeared launched in the dock. And I spend 99% of my time in WindowMaker which is also based on the NeXT focus model.

Also, keyboard navigation is useless. Why would anyone want to remember all of those shortcuts?

I just know people are going to pop up and explain that I can do everything that I'm complaining about but don't bother because it's just not "as simple as possible and not simpler".

It's HARDER than Windows. When you click on an app in the application does not appear, only the menu bar get's focus. That's very confusing. So why not just switch to the Windows focus model that everyone is already familar with?

Re:Please Use Windows' Focus Model and Key Nav

[FlyingGuy]

Because its NOT Windoze you fool!

I like consistancy as much as the next guy, but telling Apple to use a model that is Windows, which has their own UI issues, is a bit like telling Ford to make their cars like GM does, aye?

I use it all, Macs, Windoze, KDE, GNome all of them. Each have the pluses and minuses. Rather than bitch like a baby, what did I do? Uhmmm I spent the sum total of about 30 minutes reading through a quick start guide for each. Guess what happened? I learned their pradigm! Hot damn, imagine that, reading! Who knew it would be a usefull skill!

So get a clue, dust off those littte gray cells, and actualy fucking learn something you fucking ludite!

Re:Please Use Windows' Focus Model and Key Nav

[NeutronCowboy]

I had the same problems when I started working with my brand-new iMac. The only other mac system I had worked with is about 10 years old, and I don't even remember the OS name. So I was a complete and utter n00b the first day I switched on my iMac. And everything was HARD. It took me 45 minutes to install an app, because I kept looking for a setup.exe file. I tried to reinstall the same app when I logged in with a different user, and couldn't figure out why the OS told me that it was already there. It took me ages to figure out how to get to the end of a line of text, or to the end of a document. I have just now figured out how to tab between windows of the same app. I actually looked for about 15 minutes for the firefox preferences - until it dawned on me that all app menus are at the top of the desktop. The biggest eye opener though was working with iWeb. I decided to throw together a silly little blog, just to see how it works. I spent probably an hour manually resizing all images I wanted to use, exporting them to a public folder and hand-editing the templates in iWeb. Until I decided that I was gonna test Apple's famed ease of use, and decided to just drag my images from iPhoto onto the pictures in my iWeb template. And - miracles of miracles - the images just appeared in my blog. They automatically got thumbnails, the web page automatically knew where the images were, and the entire process of creating a page for my parents to check out my images took 30 seconds.

That, to me, was the epiphany that there is a Windows way, and there is a Mac way. The windows way requires you to know how Windows stores things internally, and what its design philosophy is. Everything needs to be done manually, especially when it comes moving data between apps. I used to think that the coolest thing in town was to be able to copy text from one remote terminal to another. Now I know better - there is the Mac way, in which I just do what I want to do. If it's something that ought to be common (enable ftp server? tab through apps? move pictures around?), there is a simple way to do it. As in, brain dead simple 1-2 click operation.

The reason you and I - and presumably a lot of other people - were confused is because we tried to use OS X like WinXP. Don't do that. Start to think that there ought to be a simple way to do it, and then just try it. I've found that that solves 90% of my UI issues.

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[operagost]

What's the fullscreen button? Windows has minimize, maximize/restore, and close buttons. Do you mean fullscreen mode in Media Player? If you want your media player to fill everything except the task bar, then just use the Maximize button instead of fullscreen. If the maximize button is taking the entire screen, it's because you have your task bar set to auto-hide. That's by design.

Ah, the simple Mac...

[norminator]

No additional widgets required. Just open Terminal and do this

defaults write com.apple.dashboard devmode YES

After that, press F12 and start dragging widget.. then (while still dragging) press F12 again and drop widget on the desktop.

Wow... I didn't think that doing simple desktop tasks on a Mac could be as complicated as getting NVidia drivers working in Linux!

(I'm kidding... kind of.)

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

Apple had that behavior before Windows went mainstream, and before Gnome, KDE and whatever copied Windows.

The behavior you want doesn't make as much sense in OS X. I mean, why make the window bigger if it is to show more whitespace and keep you from dragging content to/from an other Window?

One of the reader peeves...

[trudyscousin]

...was a complaint about shutdown error trapping (as they put it...huh?).

If one doesn't want to be pestered by that dialog, just choose the Shut Down command while holding down the Option key. Easy squeezy.

Come to think of it, that's a good bit of advice to follow whenever you find yourself wishing something behaved differently: Try the Option key. It won't always make a difference, but often, it does.

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[bkoehler]

#16 Simple windows management actions require two hands in Mac OS X (e.g. zoom full screen, Delete, etc.)

Re:What about combo boxes?

[wumpus188]

System Preferences -> Keyboard&Mouse -> Keyboard shortcuts -> Full keyboard access -> All controls

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[WillAdams]

Depends on the application and the framework it was programmed in.

Works in Cocoa apps such as CyberDuck and TeXshop.

Doesn't work in TextWrangler

Does weird things in Finder, esp. on a multiple monitor machine

Sort of works for Safari

All of which is a good argument for why Apple shouldn't've knuckled in to Microsoft and Adobe and should've stuck w/ their Rhapsody plan and never have wasted time on the foetid mess which is Carbon.

William
(who wants TIFFany instead of PhotoShop, Altsys Virtuoso instead of FreeHand or Illustrator and thinks that PasteUp could've been as good as InDesign and that FrameMaker would still be available on Macs if we'd had Rhapsody)

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[osu-neko]

The button in question does exactly what you want in both of those cases.

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[Frizzle Fry]

why make the window bigger if it is to show more whitespace and keep you from dragging content to/from an other Window? Because it doesn't "keep me from dragging content". Maximizing is only for the current monitor. The content I want to drag is on my other monitor.

Shift Selecting

[seanyboy]

The one thing that drives me to distraction is trying to select multiple files in finder or multiple tunes in iTunes with shift and the keyboard. If you accidently select too many items, the temptation is to change from shift-Down to shift-Up. On a mac, this will start highlighting items above where you started your selection. Other than using the mouse there appears to be know way of unhighlighting items incorrectly selected.

Re:7. Motif is not user interface, etc

[dfghjk]

"First of all, brushed metal and shiny scroll bars have nothing to do with user interface."

You don't feel that the "look" part of "look and feel" matters to a UI? You think that "feel" is all that defines a UI?

"Each of these applications look different because they are different."

The point is that they are gratuitously different having nothing to do with their function.

"If an application is intuitive and responsive, like iTunes, Safari, and Mail, it should look different from other applications."

Why? How does making the apps different for the sake of difference improve usability or intuition?

Since when is iTunes "responsive". It's slow as a dog.

Re:CLI

[Llywelyn]

...just drag the file in question into the terminal and it will conveniently pop up your answer.

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[94229a]

The parent is referring to the "maximize" button.

On Windows, pressing the maximize button, maximizes the window so that it takes up the entire screen (well, except for the task bar as you mention).

On Macintosh, there is a button called zoom. It resizes the window to show all the contents of the window. In some cases, this is (considerably) smaller than the entire screen.

The problem is that Windows Users (and apparently Linux Users) expect the zoom button (on the Mac) to take up the entire screen, so that it hides all other open windows. it doesn't do that.

Conversely, when Mac users use Windows, the maximize button really isn't what they want. They want to make the window bigger, but the don't want to obscure other windows, because they still want to see and use content from the other windows.

Both implementations have their uses. The confusion lies when you try and work in multiple environments and expect the same functionality.

Please, if just one thing could be changed...

[-noefordeg-]

Change it so that the "home" and "end" buttons do the same things in ALL programs. It's so fucking annoying right now. To get to the end or the beginning of a line, you sometimes have to hit the "end/home"-substitutes, or apple-end/home-substitutes, or apple-left/right-arrow keys.
In Windows every program recognizes Home/End, and takes you to the beginning or the end of the line. Combining this with the shift-key to select text, makes the Mac even worse.

Re:Please, if just one thing could be changed...

[spitzak]

Emacs shortcuts work on the Mac: Ctrl+E for end, Ctrl+A for start of line.

Worst thing about OSX is...

[Kipper the Llama]

...the fact that, when you minimize a window and pull it up using Apple+Tab, it STILL doesn't reappear until you pull it up from the dock. Seriously. This causes 95% of my frustration when moving from Windows to Mac.

Re:Worst thing about OSX is...

[Anonymous Coward]

Apple+Tab reveals an application switcher not a window switcher. Thus, selecting an app brings the application to the front. Any unminimzed windows for that application will also be brought to the front. Minimized windows for that application will not. In my case, I keep multiple documents open in Word, but minimize a couple I'm not working on at that moment. If I apple-tab to Safari to copy some text and then apple-tab back to Word to paste the text, I do not want my minimized documents to suddenly appear.

The name of the game...

[Striver]

While it doesn't address the issue directly, this actually highlights the fundamental difference between Microsoft and all other competitors in this market and is the primary reason Microsoft keeps kicking butt in this market even though their products are technically inferior.

Many, many years ago I worked in an auto body shop. The owner of the shop had a simple rule, it didn't matter what went into the repair job. For all he cared you could fill a hole in a quarter panel with moldy donuts and used up steel wool pads, just as long as the end result appeared completely professional to the customer.

This is the strategy Microsoft has followed and it works, obviously. It isn't so much a matter of things working one way in windows and another way in OS X. Take window sizing for example. In windows, grab the corner, side, top, bottom or even right click the task bar icon. It makes no difference...it all works. Want to change the name? Slowly double click the file, or right click and select rename or just about any other way that seems logical, Windows is right there for you looking very professional. Want to delete a file? Highlight and hit the delete key, or drag to the waste basket, or right click and select delete, whatever works easiest for you, we are all different and windows is right there for you looking completely professional no matter how you waant to do it.

Mac people, and for that matter linux people and the bulk of the open source community just don't get this at all. Once the functionality is there and it can be accessed some way, they figure the job is done. When you complain that it doesn't work well with your work flow they say, "Tough cookies, it's my way or the highway." Microsoft's response is, "You want it this way? Fine, no problem! You want it that way? well there you go! You want it another way? Well that is in there too!"

That is all the average customer ever sees and they assume that everything behind it, right down to the kernel, is just as professionally put together. They never see the bailing wire and duct tape holding that fine professional interface in place. Out of sight, out of mind. And that is why Microsoft is going to continue to dominate the market even though everything they make is crap.

The competition, on the other hand, reminds me of a guy I knew back in the 70s. He had this old beat up Chevy, ran like a fine clock. Blow the doors off of anything on the road. Mechanically prefect from one end to the other. It was also four different shades of primer and you had to crawl through the windows to get in.

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[MoneyT]

Then set it once. The maximize button toggles between two window settings, user defined (although sometimes this means last size on last close) and fit-to-content. So, for example, by default, my terminal window opens as a little window rather than full size. The first time I opened it, I made it full sized. Now every time I open terminal, when I click maximize, it returns it to my previously defined full size.

Some of these are soluble... with extra software.

[argent]

#15 - MenuCalendarClock, or a variety of other similar programs.

#14 - Konfabulator/Yahoo Widgets or Amnesty. I use Konf/Yahoo Widgets. The problem with Amnesty is that Dashbord widgets are CPU hogs. Putting them in their own layer means you don't have to care because they're only running a small part of the time.

#13 - I've used a combination of applications working together to make the middle mouse button bring up the window menus as a context menu, but Apple should ABSOLUTELY make contextual menus available from the menu bar the way Services are, and make the main menus and Services available with contextual menus. There's five places that are close to the mouse under Fitt's Law, and the fifth is... where the mouse is right now. :)

#12 - The Dock needs a lot more work than this. In NeXTstep the Shelf (the equivalent of the right half of the Dock) was a real place... you could drag documents into it and out again, so that it provided an intermediate place to "pause" a drag and drop operation while you shuffled windows. The "Poof" is cute, but it's a bad user interface design... if you want to trash a Docked object, the trash is right there.

I use XShelf for this.

#11 - If anyone knows of software that fixes this, I would love to hear of it.

#10 - I used to use third party apps, but now I just have a folder containing aliases pointing to the system and personal application folders, and certain places in the Library, in the Dock. And, yes, this could be made a lot better.

#9 - "The rest of the world long since accepted that IBM makes the best keyboards" - Indeed. I would dearly love to be running OS X on a Thinkpad instead of a Macbook, mostly for this very reason. (Yes, I know that's Lenovo now, but the principle's still valid)

#8 - CUPS MUST DIE

#7 - The low level user interface isn't even internally consistent on the Mac. Every application has its own UI for configuring hotkeys - this should be a single "hotkeys and input" item in the Preferences, that lets you assign ANY key or corner combination to any application using the new "input manager" they create to implement this.

#6 - There's a million apps for this, and none should need to exist. Plus... laptop fan controls, keyboard illumination, sleep/hibernate behaviour, and all the rest of the laptop configuration crap that you shouldn't haveto deal with but in the real world you all too often do.

#5, #4, #3, #2, #1 - Finder is two separate programs that don't work well together. The old OS 9 Finder should be pulled out and restored fully for the benefit of the folks who like a spcial Finder, and the old NeXT File manager should be pulled out and restored fully for those of us who prefer a file browser.

On the reader peeves:

#1 - If I select shut down, and some application wants to know if I really want it to close, give me a window that says "yes, kill it and the rest of the pig-dogs, I WANT TO SHUT DOWN NOW". In fact that should be a button on the "shut down" dialog. "Cancel, Shutdown, Kill the pigdogs". Same with "sleep". And give me an option to go into safe sleep AND power off in a single operation (you could call it Hibernate :) ).

#2 - It's in there. Almost. RETURN on a file SHOULD put you into edit on the file name. Except when it doesn't. See points #5 through #1 in the previous section. :)

#3 - YES. Steve, old man, nobody kicked sand in your face for putting two buttons on the NeXT mouse. It's time to give up on this whole passive-aggressive single-button-mouse thing. See also "putting OS X on a Thinkpad". You got IBM japan to help you out on one of the Powerbooks (3400, I think)... you can do it again. Nobody will call you a wuss.

Re:why should I?

[Midnight Thunder]

Why should I? The UNIX world has standards for how things work. OS X tramples all over them, often for no good reason.

If you look at '/usr', from the terminal, then everything standard is there, as for everything else there are reasons, you just need to take the time to understand them. As for other stuff most Unix implementations do things slightly differently from each other, some a lot differently (believe me I've worked on a fair number of them, including AIX, HP, Solaris and Linux). In many ways, while MacOS X is built on top of Darwin (BSD Unix derivitive), it is much more than that.

If you are just looking at the Darwin base, then it tries extending Unix into the 21st century providing support for dynamic devices and providing an object-oriented model for the drivers and other aspects of the system. There has been a lot of effort made to support legacy Unix applications, but there is only so much you can do when the needs of 2006 are no longer those of 1978.

On of that there is the graphical desktop environment and they do things a lot differently, but then again this fits in with the 'OS on top of an OS' approach. This is something that dates back from 'NeXT Step'. Sure they don't use the X11 standard, but sometimes you have to go your own way. BTW it should be noted that KDE, CDE, Gnome and other Unix graphical desktop environments rarely have an commanility beyond the fact they all use X11.

There are points when you have to appreciate what you know is no longer valid. The technology field is constantly changing, so if you can't stand change, then it will be really hard for you.

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[ronanbear]

Or what if I want to zoom in and then resize so that I can still see all of the document. On windows if I'm reading a pdf in zoom to fixed width mode and I maximize the window then the page zooms in so that there's no whitespace.

Perfectly easy to get a pdf to take up the full screen (-taskbar, scrollbar and toolbars). On OSX I have to drag the window to the top left. Manually resize the window and then rezoom. It takes a lot longer (if you're doing it often) when all you want to do is be able to read some text. Instead there's a green button which doesn't appear to do anything sometimes.

I like OSX but it is something I find very infuriating.

Yes, but...

[sean.peters]

The Apple mouse doesn't have three buttons. I spent a whole $9 for a Logitech optical wheel mouse, and all the buttons (including the scroll wheel) work just fine with no configuration.

I have a Powerbook, and I don't want to plug a damn external mouse into it. I want to use the touchpad, and I want said touchpad to be more useful... by including a second freakin' mouse button. I get tired of being thwarted by the one button disciples, whose reasons for opposing the second button seem to be variants on the theme of "but we've always done it this way". It's a lot easier for people who only want to use button to just ignore any other buttons, than it is for me to have to go find some software utility to simulate the other buttons.

And don't start with "you can just use Cmd-click" (or whatever the key combo is) to simulate the second button. Sometimes I'm doing something with my other hand - um, y'know, like holding my coffee cup. Yeah, that's it.

Sean

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[MouseR]

The zoom button is actually controlled by the application and not the Window Manager. This is why you have different behavior depending on the application your running.

This was particularly true for true-Carbon applications. MetroWerks' PowerPlant Carbon framework, used by many applications (still today) kinda standardize the actual behavior and Cocoa under OS X also makes this somewhat more predictable.

But applications can still control the size they can zoom to.

This is why you wont find a system-wide switch to control this behavior.

Re:Filename Incompatibility

[spitzak]

Well that is just incredibly stupid. All these people have got to get through their thick skulls that they should attach NO meaning to the bytes in a filename. On Unix the '/' and null have some meaning, which is not really right, but as good as we are going to get without significant changes to the API. Past that, it should be *absolutely* irrelevant to the OS, *ALL* possible arrangements of bytes should be allowed, whether they are legal UTF-8 or not, and if the two byte strings do not match bit for bit, THEY ARE DIFFERENT FILES!!!!!

Doing anything else results in horrible problems, because different systems will disagree on exactly what strings are equivalent and as you noticed this results in extremely confusing incompatabilities.

How the string is displayed and distinguished to the user is strictly a GUI problem. Thinking you can fix it by somehow magically making the hard-to-display strings "illegal" is burying your head in the sand. The GUI will have to be able to display arbitrary strings anyway, as the program may produce them without actually reading a file name.

All you morons who think "case independence" is a good thing should listen up as well.

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[Hes Nikke]

if you drop the slow, bloated crap that is now called Adobe Reader, and instead used Preview, you can just hit cmd-f to enter full screen mode.

Re:A more fundamental problem with dual monitors

[tetsuo29]

I'm pretty much a total mac fanboy, but I have to concede this point. I never tried multiple monitors on a Mac until a few years ago when I got my first iBook and discovered that a simple firmware adjustment was all that was needed in order to allow spanning instead of mirroring when hooking up an external monitor. I was really excited at first, but soon learned how annoying it is to have the menu bar only available on one of the screens- especially when you want to have one app running on one screen and another on the other.

For single monitors, I still believe that the stationary menu bar at the top of the screen is a superior UI. If you don't believe this, you need to spend some time observing how many users of Windows/Linux keep every window maximized- they are in effect simulating the stationary menu bar effect. However, for multiple monitors, the menu bar in the window paradigm of Windows/X11 is currently better. I think that Apple could easily fix this by having the Mac's menu bar move from screen to screen with the mouse. They could even make it's appearance 'ghosted' on the screens where the mouse currently is not. Placing a menu bar on each screen would then allow different apps to be in the foreground on different monitors. I've made suggestions along these lines on the OS X feedback page, but, sadly they have yet to realize the brilliance of what I'm telling them. ;-]

I have a feeling that they've concluded that there is not enough multiple monitor use to warrant spending time coming up with a more elegant solution.

Why does Windows have a Maximize screen?

[theurge14]

If you want one single application taking up a full screen, doesn't it cease being "Windows" and become "DOS"?

No more

[tgibbs]

I hate multiple buttons on notebooks, and consider the single-button notebook design one of the great virtues of the Powerbooks. On mice, fine--I use the right "button" of my Mighty Mouse all the time. But there is no way I want to twist my wrist into awkward RSI inducing configurations to reliably access a right notebook button. And I hate getting a right click when I wanted a left click because my hand happens to be on the right side of the pad. I think the two-finger-plus-click solution works quite well, and does so without destroying my wrist.

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[hackstraw]

The problem is that Windows Users (and apparently Linux Users) expect the zoom button (on the Mac) to take up the entire screen, so that it hides all other open windows. it doesn't do that.

This is the second time I've read this in this thread.

Windows users have been conditioned to only want to view one window at a time, which is perfectly fine, and the Mac has a thing hides the current application, and one that hides other applications. Also, there are things like 30" widescreen monitors that are the desire of all Mac users, and viewing things like slashdot in a web browser maximized across a 30" monitor simply makes little sense.

Microsoft has enabled a number of features that have become habits of users as "hacks" or whatever to achieve a secodary goal. My .sig claims that MS invented the forward slash as an example. They did. Before MS decided to use the backslash as a path deliminator and everybody else uses the slash character, people then started using other systems, especially the WWW where the "forward slash" was used. The backslash deliminator thing has been confusing for quite some time. In developing on a windows environment, C/C++ #include statements and certain functions can (almost always) interchangably use a forward or a backward slash. The same goes for other MS products. On some versions of IE on an IIS webserver (some versions??) forward and backward slashes can be used interchangebly and/or they are stripped out or some unique behavior to that particular version.

What also kills me is that a / is a reserved character and cannot be used in a filename in windows, but a backslash can be a legitimate character in other systems.

Yes, there are a number of quirks and inconsistancies in OSX, but they have not turned into workstyles and have not affected people's view of computing.

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[jZnat]

Press F11 to hide everything...

Re:Window Management. Maximize?

[Yer Mom]

if you drop the slow, bloated crap that is now called Adobe Reader, and instead used Preview, you can just hit cmd-f to enter full screen mode.

Are you sure about that? Cmd-F is Find on mine...

Agree about Adobe Reader, though :)

You meant command-shift-f

[SideshowBob]

For Preview.app's fullscreen mode.