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Battlestar Galactica Pen and Paper RPG

gerbalblaste writes "Margaret Weis Productions, Ltd. has reached an agreement with Universal Studios Consumer Products Group to produce roleplaying game products based on the enormously successful, critically-acclaimed television series, Battlestar Galactica. Weis' company is known primarily for the recent release of the Serenity Role-Playing Game. From the article: 'The game book will be a full-color hardcover book featuring still images from the series as well as original artwork. It will provide rules for play, character creation, and information about the ship and crew of Galactica as well as the other main characters from the show. A Quickstart Guide will be released in early 2007 with the core product premiering in the spring. Additional products will closely follow the release of the core product. The entire line will be supported by an interactive website. Jamie Chambers (Dragonlance Campaign Setting, Serenity Role Playing Game) is helping lead a team of writers and designers dedicated to re-creating the excitement, drama, and danger of the groundbreaking television series.'"

46 comments

  1. Great Idea... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Except I'll wait for the sexy Number Six figurine in the red dress before playing the game. If you're gonna play it, play it right!

    1. Re:Great Idea... by JFMulder · · Score: 1

      Maybe you could swap for a figurine of Mila Jojovich in Resident Evil 1? She is blonde in that movie and she does wear a red dress.

    2. Re:Great Idea... by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 1

      She'll come in a two-pack. One in case you have an emergency with the first.

  2. First Mod - BSG 1978 by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Change #1 Cylons were NOT created by man
    Change #2 Cylons ALL look like robots
    Change #3 Starbuck is a man
    That said, I love the new series, but consider it as separate from the original which I waited months for each new episode.
    Jonah HEX

    1. Re:First Mod - BSG 1978 by Milikki · · Score: 1

      Dirk! Is that you?

    2. Re:First Mod - BSG 1978 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod 2: Battlestar 1980

      Change 1: There are still human looking robots.
      Change 2: You're on 1980 earth. Disco is still barely alive, and hairbands are roaming the earth
      Change 3: Plot is a dirty word
      Change 4: You have super human jumping abilities. And cloaking devices. But you can't use them unless the plot (Oops! dirty word) requires Deus Ex Machina.
      Change 5: Apparently, everybody on earth is a drivveling idiot. Except Wolfman Jack. He's a raving lunatic.

      I could go on, but then I'd have to INTENTIONALLY dredge up memories of Battlestar 1980. And I would simply laugh too hard.

  3. Classes, races... by daranz · · Score: 5, Funny
    Races:
    • Cylon (toaster)
    • Cylon (skinjob)
    • Half-cylon
    • Maybe a Cylon
    • Imaginary Cylon (in your head)
    • Human


    Classes:
    • Schoolteacher-president
    • Traitorous Jerk (available both for humans and cylons)
    • The Only Doctor In The Entire Damn Fleet
    • Generic Marine (no character customization allowed)
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    1. Re:Classes, races... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Classes:

      Don't forget - hot korean chick who hangs out with hundreds of copies of herself, naked, on cylon flight decks.

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    2. Re:Classes, races... by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      That's a Generic Marine who multiclassed into a maybe-cylon and then took some levels in cylon. You may have noticed the drop in XP gain since she took that third class

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    3. Re:Classes, races... by jimstapleton · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the classes of:

      Fleet Officer (level 30 for captain, 40 for admiral)
      Pilot (at level 15 you gain "How the hell did you survive /that/" feat)
      and of couse
      Chating Biggot (Apollo and Starbuck mainly)

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    4. Re:Classes, races... by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "Generic Marine (no character customization allowed)"

      What about the "hot gunny" subclass?

  4. This should simplify things by elrous0 · · Score: 1
    Finally, I can reduce the complex political, social, and psychological issues explored on the show to a few roles of a 20-sided die!

    -Eric

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    1. Re:This should simplify things by exspecto · · Score: 0

      *rolls to see if Gaius really won the presidential election*

  5. License RPGs... by aapold · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I love the show, but I'm always leery of license RPGs... A good movie or tv show is not necessarily a good reason or setting for an RPG.

    In particular here, with the story not yet resolved, the GM would have to basically invent the motives/reasons for things that we don't know yet. Nothing wrong with that except that it will likely be proved false as we continue to watch the show. We know who the cylons are. So right off the bat you'd have to start changing show canon if you want any suspense on that account.

    Also, the setting is rather in where you can be, either on the fleet or maybe a resistance force back on the colonies. Ok, those are entire planets, so maybe there is more potential there.

    Your bestiary is likewise fairly limited, you have centurion, raider, biocylon and from there you have to start inventing stuff.

    The licensed RPGs I've enjoyed best were ones that had a wealth of material to turn to as well as a resolved story but had large sections of it with time and places where little was known. I liked Iron Crown's Middle Earth RPG (MERP). I didn't care for the first Babylon 5 RPG. The serenity one... is better I suppose, but at least has the wide open solar system where lots of things go on that are outside the scope of what we saw on the show. BSG tends to pretty much account for everyone, there are
    That being said I may well end up getting this anyway. Often times these RPGS are more useful as sources of background material, especially if they can get some collaboration from the show's creators on the content. Just not sure I'd run it.

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    1. Re:License RPGs... by Alcibaides · · Score: 2

      Disagree, bro. The world of BSG is rich (as is that of Firefly). You'll need a GM who can work well with that, but that being accomplished, it should be a great game.

      That being said:

      "...featuring still images from the series as well as original artwork."

      Yeah...

    2. Re:License RPGs... by Secret+Rabbit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't really agree with anything that you've said.

      I've run many games in D&D, A D&D 1st and 2nd ed. and have played in several Shadowrun campaigns. I've got to say, that in each instance, the books, etc just gave a world to play in. Canon, etc was pretty much ignored and everything came from the guy/gal running the game.

      This IMO is how table top RPG's should be. You give the player(s) a world to play in, and let them go. The only thing that the game should enforce is the limitations from equipment, fighting ability, etc. But, why should it restrict what must happen in game entirely? That really wouldn't be very fun.

      Oh, and BSG doesn't necessarily account for anyone. After all, there was that other Battlestar running around. Who's to say that there isn't another one running around? Who's to say that there isn't other civilian ship(s) running around either?

      Personally, I'm going to reserve judgement until I actually see the thing.

    3. Re:License RPGs... by ClayDowling · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To be fair, this team produced an excellent game in Serenity that doesn't really restrict the players or the game masters. My group has been playing this game for a while and we've had an excellent run of it. We've had problems with licensed games in the past (or at least, I have), but we aren't running into any of those problems here. I think that Margaret Weis and Jamie Chambers have worked out a few of the problems that tend to come with licensed games.

    4. Re:License RPGs... by Thansal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      (note everything in here is my oppinion and is obviously subject to exeptions)

      The keys to a licensed RPG being worth anythign are these:

      1) Starting with a large, well developed, world (universe in this case, I know nothing about BSG as I havn't watched TV in years, so I can't comment).

      2) Fleshing out stats and mechanics that will make the gameplay (be it combat, interaction, space flight, technology, etc) FIT with the feel of the original.

      3) The ability to remove your players from the main story line.

      4) The ability to create adventures in the world, that feel like they came form the show, with out destroyign canon.

      5) A clearly defined time/space that your game takes place in (Is this pre/post *** important event? Will the PCs know about said event?)

      3&4 are a mix between the DM's skill and how the sourcebooks are put together.

      3 is obvoiusly where most poeple will have issues also, everyone wants to be PART of the story, but that is next to impossible in most cases, especialy as the people who are likely to be playing these games are fans of the show, and thus all have differing oppinions on just WHAT is correct, what should/should not happen, etc etc. It is alot easier to ignore canon in a game like Shadowrun or DnD as most people are not THAT fammiliar with the specifics of the world.

      An exelent example of this is looking through the StarWars books/RPGs/video games (I am ignoring the games that are just clones of the movies in this case).
      They stick to how the world works. They tend to stay away from the main plots, or focus on the effects of the main plot with out trying to mess with them. Even when they come up with new creatures/races, they fit in with the SW universe.

      ummm, yah, my .02

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    5. Re:License RPGs... by jimstapleton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree, it's good to have a resolved storyline before making an RPG from a media form (book/tv/etc). If something hapens in the main story line that is mutually exclusive with something in your storyline (or vice versa) it tends to annoy people, depending on your group.

      However, a creative GM can work with just about any world to make a game work, so the somewhat limiting scope of BSG could still have lots of fun games in it - in the back of my mind I can think of a few interesting things. The trick is to set the game in an interval BEFORE the current setting, and don't let the players play any of the main characters.

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  6. Leery by CableModemSniper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I flipped through the Serentity RPG, the game mechanics seemed to leave a little to be desired. I wonder how much play testing games like this get?

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    1. Re:Leery by Bieeanda · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I'm leery too. As far as I'm concerned, Weis' only claim to fame is the interminable Dragonlance series; just because she can co-author middle-school book-report fodder, and has ostensibly played tabletop RPGs, doesn't mean that she has any skill or talent in designing the damn things.

      Besides that, as much of a geek and fanboy as I am, I've never encountered a particularly good TV-licensed RPG. From FASA's Star Trek to Babylon 5, they typically suffer from two major flaws: First, a relative lack of usable, canonical information. Sure, there's a lot of raw data from a show like Doctor Who or Star Trek, but by and large it's cruft, filled with silly minutiae or one-shot enemies and technologies. Second, the systems are usually abysmally designed: The B5 RPG (printed in glossy colour) made heavy use of colour coding in its character sheets years before colour photocopiers were widely available, for example.

      I wonder how much play testing games like this get?
      I suspect very little, maybe some in-house testing and whatever they can inflict on local cons and geeky friends. A lot of this stuff seems to develop from house rules or desperate attempts to ape-while-defying D&D, and tends to miss the point when it comes to actual playability vs. internal gimmickry. What really gets me though, is why the Hell didn't they just license this under D20? I guarantee that when most geeks think Weis, they think Dragonlance (or crap), and when they think Dragonlance, they think D&D (or... yeah). Given the overlap between gamers and sci-fi geeks, Weis' previous association with D&D, and the fact that D20 is the thousand pound gorilla in a market that is always difficult to succeed in, that should have been a no-brainer.
    2. Re:Leery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      As far as I'm concerned, Weis' only claim to fame is the interminable Dragonlance series

      You should read the Rose of the Prophet trilogy, the Death Gate cycle, and the Darksword trilogy. They're quite interesting, and any of the three could make an interesting RPG setting. In fact, Weis and Hickman wrote a basic RPG system for the Darksword trilogy; I never played a game using it, but it was an interesting idea.

      D20 is the thousand pound gorilla in the fantasy role-playing genre, but if BSG were to use a D20 system, they'd probably base it off D20 Modern, which I don't think has quite the same following. [I could be wrong about this.] I don't know whether their decision to use the same system they used for the Serenity RPG is a good or bad decision. They needed to choose a system, so they did. That choice doesn't preclude them from doing a D20 version in the future if it turns out they made a bad choice.
    3. Re:Leery by Bieeanda · · Score: 1
      I'm familiar with their other works, but don't think that they have the name recognition that Dragonlance does. I choked the first couple of Death Gate novels down, but never got past the fact that they felt they had to include Fizban the Fabulous in it. Sure they changed a few letters of his name around, but he made references to Dragonlance himself. The Darksword RPG system was out-and-out terrible, and the series never really grabbed me either.

      Designing a system from the ground up for Serenity was probably a bad move in itself, especially given its lack of success-- a talent for writing young adult fiction and a history of gaming doesn't necessarily parley into a talent for developing rulesets. Reusing it for yet another TV tie-in RPG is bull-headed, at best, and suggests that Mags is trying to force success by attaching it to already extant fanbases, rather than doing the hard work of setting (and further rules) development. And... actually, if this does fail, it could make Universal seriously consider canceling the license, which would prevent them from pursuing a D20 version.

  7. DMing a Cylon player would be hard... by RyanFenton · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...depending on their favored theory of personal identity.

    Player: Out of ammo? Damn. Nothing left... Kamikaze!
    DM: You 'heroically' charge the civilian spacecraft, ending many lives including your own.
    Player: Cool - when I wake up, I want to go get another ship.
    DM: You WERE the ship. Anyway, you don't wake up.
    Player: Huh? But we have a resurrection ship right there! You never said it was toasted, and even if it was, I would only lose a couple days memories since my last major network synch.
    DM: It's not that. It's just that personal identity doesn't end up working like that. Another Cylon has just awakens, sure, and with your memories, but it isn't you. That's gone now.

    Or, alternatively:

    DM: Alright, you've successfully climbed the wall, escaping the rising algae pool. That's you number 128. Next up, [shuffles papers] ... you number 129 is nearing the window of the space station...

    Or, alternatively:

    DM: You awaken to the sound of marching and the cries of the dying. There is a loud explosion to your left. You are marching with a large group of identical Cylon Centurions.
    Player: Oh wow - um, I'm going to break off from the group. I want to investigate that explosion.
    DM: I'm sorry, but God won't let you do that.
    Player: Uh, really? I - ah, I want to wave my arm in front of my face.
    DM: Your programming will not allow you such choice. You decide to follow the group to ... ...plus others.

    Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:DMing a Cylon player would be hard... by Secret+Rabbit · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Your scenario 1 assumes metaphysical things that the game does not.

      Your scenario 2 assumes things about how YOU think a GM MUST run the game. Quite frankly, I'd never do this, nor would anyone I know.

      Your scenario 3 assumes that Centurions have no independent thinking abilities. This plainly isn't true as we've seen them exercise independent thinking before when searching for Halo and Boomer on Caprica (?). We know that they are given a general command (e.g. search and destroy) and then they execute as they see fit. If a Centurion noticed a threat at least a couple would break away to investigate.

    2. Re:DMing a Cylon player would be hard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DM: Your programming has saved you. You live to fight another day as the joke harmlessly sails over your head.

  8. Oh No, Not _That_ System Again by Dunx · · Score: 1

    My roleplaying buddies and I were excited when we heard about the Serenity RPG, but hugely disappointed when it was based on a new set of game mechanics. My friends have settled on D20 as their ruleset of choice, and it was enough of a struggle for me to get them to play Call of Cthulhu using BRP which is a piece of cake to learn.

    So my pleasure at hearing about a BG RPG is tempered somewhat by the knowledge that I will never play it.

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    1. Re:Oh No, Not _That_ System Again by Thansal · · Score: 1

      As I have been outa the loop on PnP for a little while (ending around the start of DnD3.5 for a time frame). Was the Serenity RPG D20? if not what was it? if so how were the mechanics changed?

      (I am actualy a junky for game mechanics, and love playign around with as many different types as possible).

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    2. Re:Oh No, Not _That_ System Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe your first mistake was settling on that bastardized GURPS-wannabe POS d20 system?

    3. Re:Oh No, Not _That_ System Again by jandrese · · Score: 1

      I have to admit, I'm not a huge fan of D20 based systems (most of the time it's too random for my taste, I don't want my characters to have a 5% chance of failing to tie a shoe), but a great number of alternate systems seem to be published only half baked or basically end up requiring a ton of improv on the DMs part. While that isn't necessarily bad, it does make DMing more difficult than it would otherwise have to be. Even worse is when a game includes a ton of mechanics, but words them vaguely and forces the DM to make lots of judgment calls on what the authors probably meant when they wrote that.

      A good example is the Silhouette system, which while it has an elegant core (although with rather coarse granularity), lots of the fringe elements are vague and poorly written.

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    4. Re:Oh No, Not _That_ System Again by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      As opposed to Paranoia which is "entirely DM/GM whim". Which is why playing Paranoia sucks if your GM isn't a crazy nutcase who's actually Paranoid himself.

      -Chris

    5. Re:Oh No, Not _That_ System Again by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Paranoia is defiantly designed for fun one-off game sessions anyway. I mean they practically tell the GM that if the characters last more than a day then they're doing it wrong.

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    6. Re:Oh No, Not _That_ System Again by Dunx · · Score: 1

      Just to be clear - I do not like D20. My roleplaying buddies are D&D players of long standing, though, and I came to the group only recently.

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  9. Fortress of insanitude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Steamy sex with hot imaginary partner... Are you sure Doc is not a slashdot poster?

  10. Hopeful, but not overly optimistic by navygeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well as the subject implies, I'm very hopeful that they'll be able to pull this project off and the RPG community will be able to add another quality product to our shelves, after seeing how the Serenity RPG was handled I won't be holding my breath (for too long).

    I was one of those overly enthusiastic types that bought the first printing of the Serenity RPG, while it IS a good system of play and I enjoy playing and writing modules/campaigns for it, the initial editing of the book left quite a bit to be desired.

    The first THREE printings of the book lacked two basic, major items for any RPG - character sheet and index. The need for both, I hope, is self-explanatory. If not - the inclusion of a character sheet screams 'obvious'. Every system has its own little quirks and ways of things interacting, the character sheet is the most basic way for all those things to be tied together in a neat little package, making it easier (not necessarily *easy*) for players, especially new players, to understand how to play the character's numbers - that way the player doesn't always have to know every rule/line from the book. And as for the index, how can you create something as complex as a roleplaying gaming system and expect players to flip through the entire book or read an entire chapter to find the details of, say, 'Dodge'. An index is crucial, enough said.

    To add insult to injury, it took them almost a year to publish both of these items as 'free bonus material' on the Serenity RPG website. Add the fact that there were few to no examples of just about anything involving rolling the dice (no combat example, no flight maneuvering examples, nadda...) had the players pretty much making up the rules as they went along. I'm all for free form RPG (I'm a gamer after all), but not after paying a good sum of money for a system that should have been (more) complete at release. I really believe the game was play tested by those that wrote the system - already being intimately knowledgeable of how things *should* work, they missed the obvious failings in the book. Unfortunately, unlike computer/console games, the publisher can't just release a patch - they have to release a completely new printing/edition.

    All that said, I do think it's a great system and love playing, but the book wasn't the best. If MW can do better with the BSG, I'll be impressed. But being the geeky little fanboy I am, I'll probably rush out and buy the first edition/printing of the BSG RPG book anyway. :-p

  11. Whatever it is, it's vastly inferior to Star Thugs by ishpeck · · Score: 3, Funny

    No Sci-Fi RPG system can compare. The ship building, the dogfight mechanics, and especially the joy of reading the rulebook outclass every other Sci-Fi RPG I've played.

    http://www.ghazporkindustrial.com/index.php?P=star thugs

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  12. You know Blizzard is just going to screw this up by charlesbakerharris · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ZOMG plz nerf Night Elf Cylons attacking Caprica with nukes from shadowmeld SO UNFAIR blue response plz

  13. You would think they notice... by Shihar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't forget - hot korean chick who hangs out with hundreds of copies of herself, naked, on cylon flight decks. You would think they would have figured out she was a Cylon pretty damn quickly when they noticed that she was the only Asian woman in their entire civilization.
    1. Re:You would think they notice... by Satanic_Hamster · · Score: 1

      Even in the future, all Asian chicks look the same to white people.

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  14. RPGs that follow movies have their issues by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    RPGs in famous movie settings have to deal with a serious problem. The expectation and their inability to live up to it.

    In a movie, you see heros. Those heros are virtually invulnerable and most certainly immortal. Sure, they have their shortcomings and quirks, and sometimes they're just plainly dumb, but they usually come out of "are you effing nuts" risks with but a scratch. They're the best pilots, the best marksmen and of course they always know the wittiest riposte to any kind of insult.

    And, most of all, they have a plot to follow, and when they find out something, it's interesting to watch. And that's where it gets tricky most of the time.

    Imagine there's something wrong with the ship. Engines don't start. In the show, you see engineers run around the ship doing "diagnosis". You see pretty animations of some kind of leaks or some anomaly and you hear the engineers sprout technobabble what it is. Usually some deus ex machina solution that fixes the plothole just in time to save the show, something you, the spectator, couldn't even come up with because you simply have no idea that this or that actually worked that way.

    How do you project that into an RPG? Trying to find out what kind of plot the GM has in mind, what kind of "technological" answer he has for the problem? Usually, it's done with a roll, you find the reason, you solve it. Not fun.

    Then there's the plot problem. Galactica deals to some not too small extent with space combat and action elements. This is fun to watch. It's just not fun to play, at least not in a standard table top RPG setting, because it usually comes down to pure chance and luck, the roll of the dice, whether you succeed or fail. There's only so much "tactics" you can employ when facing a foe in the middle of nowhere in space if all you can announce is pretty much "I'm gonna target the second cylon bomber on the right".

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  15. Our Cylon Overlords by Lord+of+Hyphens · · Score: 1

    This means our players can actually, for once, welcome their Cylon overlords?

    Of all the possibilities this could entail... I just hope that they stay the hell away from D20.

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  16. Its already been done by night_flyer · · Score: 1

    Its called Traveller

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  17. I cast magic missile! by tomcode · · Score: 1

    Roll the dice to see if I nail Starbuck.

    Where's the Mountain Dew?

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  18. Why couldn't they have made a computer game... by 12Iceman · · Score: 1

    Do people still play pen and paper RPG's? I thought now that we have had wide availability of home computers for oh... about 15 years now, that they could have moved on. I would love to see a Battlestar Galactica computer game, but I have no interest in this pen and paper nonsense.

  19. Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DO THEY HAVE A PLAN?

  20. Re:You know Blizzard is just going to screw this u by charlesbakerharris · · Score: 1

    Wow, whoever modded this flamebait needs to lighten up. Maybe not-funny, but flamebait? Er, no.