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Canada's Music Lobby Buys Government Access

An anonymous reader writes "Copyfighting law professor Michael Geist, who previously uncovered financial links between recording industry lobbyists and Canada's Minister of Canadian Heritage Bev Oda (who is responsible for copyright policy), has now identified what big cash donations will get you. He reports that Oda met with the President of the Canadian Recording Industry Association on a monthly basis last year just as the government was preparing copyright reform legislation and Canadian artists were calling for an end to P2P lawsuits. Is it any wonder that Canadians seem likely to lose their fair use rights?"

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  1. Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by tomstdenis · · Score: 3, Funny

    We copy all the best and worse that the US has to offer ... arrrgg ...

    Maybe we'll copy the "DRM is a bad idea" that the 'mericans are coming up with now.

    While we're at it maybe we could import some backbone and tell Quebec to get stuffed... :-)

    Tom

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    1. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by delirium28 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Screw that! I say we let Quebec seperate and then move to Quebec for our pirating needs. While they may be vocal, they are also pretty good at keeping rights alive.

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    2. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      BTW, You're under arrest for violating Quebec's language laws. The police with be at your door in a few minutes to fart in your general direction.

      You should know better than advertising Quebec without making French more prominent than English.

    3. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by GreyPoopon · · Score: 2, Insightful
      We copy all the best and worse that the US has to offer...
      Tom - please note that the following is not directed at you...

      Don't go dragging the US into this. This kind of crap goes on in every single government until the citizens of that government do something about it. If you live in a country where you think this doesn't happen, you are either naive or the government doesn't have resort to such tactics because they already have you by the balls. Most government leaders are in office for one of two reason: money or power. Most of them are there for both. Such behavior generally spirals out of control until citizens find a way to harass the perpetrator (maybe through lawsuits) in such a manner that it strikes fear into other politicians, or until there is some sort of uprising that generally results in significant changes to the government that basically reset the situation until it can happen again. Don't believe me? Take a look around at your leaders and their financial situations. How many of them would be considered middle class or lower? How many of them can claim that the greatest portion of their income is from the salary they get as a public servant? Don't get me wrong. There are a few people in politics who really have the citizens in mind, but it's rare.
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    4. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A REAL liberal would never, ever do such a thing. And neither would a true conservative. Don't let mass media re-write the dictionary, or extremists define your language.

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    5. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Jonny_eh · · Score: 2, Informative

      Quebec is terrible with rights. It is illegal in Quebec to put a sign outside your business in anything but the official language, French. Even if you live in a town where everyone speaks English, you HAVE to use French signs. If you want an English sign too, it's writing must be half the size of the French sign.

      You cannot get a job as a civil servant unless you speak French, even if it's a job where no French is required. It is very difficult, and sometimes impossible, to get government forms in any language but French, despite the large English population. If you are an English family, you must send your kids to a French school, unless you went to an English school in Quebec as a child.

      It goes on...

      Quebec supports rights, my ass!

    6. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by quax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Frankly it should be. And no I am not a French speaker. I am German and currently live in Toronto. My French is unfortunately pretty poor but Canada is supposed to be a bilingual country. I am tired of all those English speakers who seem to think it is such a terrible burden to learn another language. Mastering another language greatly enriches your life - stop acting like babies. Grow up and get over it.

    7. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Aidski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can you get a civil service job if you can't speak English in Alberta or Ontario or any English-speaking province? If you can't speak the official language of the province. You shouldn't be allowed to work in the civil service. Enough said.

    8. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by GNious · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I live in Belgium, though not Belgian myself. My French is unfortunately pretty poor but Belgium is supposed to be a trilingual country. I am tired of all those French speakers who seem to think it is such a terrible burden to learn another language. Mastering another language greatly enriches your life - stop acting linke babies. Grow up and get over it.

      /G

    9. Re:Sometimes I hate living in America Jr. by Curtman · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Canada is supposed to be a bilingual country

      Most of it is. Except Quebec. There is only one official language there: French. They can pull these shenanigans because they did not sign our constitution.

      I am tired of all those English speakers who seem to think it is such a terrible burden to learn another language.

      It is. I live in Winnipeg, which is supposed to be the largest French speaking population outside of Quebec. I have never met anybody who spoke only French and no English in my life. My wife is French, but she doesn't use it other than talking to her family, and they speak English just fine. Why should I bother with another language which I'll rarely ever be able to use, and have no desire to learn? I'd much rather learn ruby or python thank you very much.
  2. duh by mastershake_phd · · Score: 5, Funny

    Canada's Music Lobby Buys Government Access
     
    Thats what lobbys do. I say we ban lobbying all together. Who wants to help me lobby for that? Bring money.

    1. Re:duh by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know you're joking, but seriously, the only way to defeat the well-financed lobby groups is to bring votes. Governments can only be bought as long as that money translates into votes at election time. Shift your culture so people vote for what they believe in and not what they saw on TV and you've won. Change the rules so political parties can only accept donations from businesses that are on the same scale as what private citizens could realistically offer and you've won. But achieving either of these changes is going to take a long time and a lot of campaigning. (Odd, really, since the politicians have nothing to lose from the second, but there you go.)

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    2. Re:duh by dryeo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually in Canada it is illegal for businesses,trade unions etc to donate any money to political campaigns. Also individuals are limited to donating $1100. Unluckily this only came into effect on Jan 1,2007. See http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=gen&do cument=ec90557&dir=bkg&lang=e&textonly=false

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    3. Re:duh by mastershake_phd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Shift your culture so people vote for what they believe in and not what they saw on TV and you've won.

      People vote for what they believe in, problem is they believe what they see on TV.

    4. Re:duh by IAmTheDave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Man, you guys are idiots. Straight idiots. You know how much the presidential race is gonna cost this year? So I toss a couple of favors to Big Business... they've been like family these past few years. They rub my back, I rub theirs.

      I mean, come on. You know how many canucks are gonna have to pony up $1100 to raise what one donation from Exxon nets? Thousands and thousands. And then you've gotta answer to like thousands of people! One donation from Exxon, and I just answer to Exxon. It's good common sense!

      You guys are like straight idiots. You'll never catch us enacting such ridiculous laws.

      Sincerely,

      The US Government

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  3. Re:Well....... by AutopsyReport · · Score: 4, Funny

    Our bacon is the way, the truth, and the life.

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  4. but... but Chretien! by Pxtl · · Score: 3, Funny

    I thought the Conservative party was supposed to bring an end to corruption and a new environment of accountability.

    OW! My political beliefs!

    1. Re:but... but Chretien! by Jabrwock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I thought the Conservative party was supposed to bring an end to corruption and a new environment of accountability.

      But, but, they introduce an Accoutability Act and everything! It even has fancy paper! ;)

      I find it disenheartening that her response was "it was legal at the time". Shouldn't she be respecting the act NOW, since her government pushed it through? Respect the spririt of the law and all that? It reminded me of contractors who say "what? I did it to code" which basically means "I did the bare minimum to avoid losing my license."

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  5. Don't worry by Bullfish · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The lobby is pissing money down a rat hole. The government is in a minority position and will likely fall in the next few months. Considering that the conservatives have steadily dropped in the polls, they are not likely to be around to put such legislation into effect.

    I imagine in the meantime, they have bigger fish to fry (like trying to survive), than to worry about a politically unpopular move to satisfy record company executives.

  6. Canadian Supreme Court by Imexius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If I remember correctly hadn't the Canadian Supreme court already decided that downloading music for personal use was within our rights? If that's the case then can't we rely on that case as a precedent to help render this presumed upcoming law void? http://www.cirpa.ca/Page.asp?PageID=122&ContentID= 824&SiteNodeID=66

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    1. Re:Canadian Supreme Court by Jabrwock · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The SCC ruled that, but they were basing their decision on the laws of the time (ie fair use and other relevant sections of the Copyright Act). If the government ammends the Copyright Act to remove or restrict fair use, there's not much the SC can do, since media consumption isn't a right mentioned in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms...

      If they neglect to remove fair use though, it would be a valid argument against such a law. I'm assuming a DMCA challenge would be easier in Canada, because of that. They can't deny you the tools to be able to exercise your right to fair use, afterall...

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  7. Dam, I voted for her too... by shlinton · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.bevoda.ca/contact.htm Contact Bev: Bowmanville Office: 68 King Street East Bowmanville, Ontario L1C 3X2 Phone: (905) 697-1699 Fax: (905) 697-1678 Ottawa Office: House of Commons Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 Phone: (613) 992-2792 Fax: (613) 992-2794 Email: Oda.B@parl.gc.ca From her own website....

    1. Re:Dam, I voted for her too... by Jabrwock · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, writing to Bev won't get you squat, you might not even get a response. Until Lord Harper lets her, she is supposed to keep her mouth shut on any policy that Harper hasn't already vetted...

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  8. The CRIA is not a Canadian organization by Rix · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's just a branch office of the American RIAA. The group that represents Canadian artists is the Canadian Music Creators Coalition.

  9. Re:Ummm.... by Pxtl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    RTFAs - she meets with the CRIA but won't meet with any other relevant organizations (such as consumer rights groups or Canadian artists groups).

  10. Re:Well....... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oy vey! What a ham!

  11. My letter to my MP by saskboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/01/15/fairusefi re/

    It's important all Canadians write their MP and educate them about the CRIA shenanigans.

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  12. Bribery by gsn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Theres a pretty big difference between lobbying and bribery. Lobbying isn't intrinsically bad - heck the ACLU does it as does the EFF among /. favourites. The trouble is lobbying is not very far removed from campaign donations. Industry gives politician money and then politician is very receptive to industry umbrella organization lobbying. The latter is for all intents and purposes bribery, especially given the copyright reform legislation. She has apparently been a broadcaster for the better part of her life. Can we say conflict of interest. Somebody should call them on it and accuse her of bribery - there are presumably laws against that sort of thing in Canada. The British probably left something like a public interest litigation around. And if Oda is a minister then accuse Harper of running a corrupt government. Even if it isn't successful the press is bad, and the embarrassment will force them to do something.

    Longer term I think there should be a declaration on who writes an actual bill not just who sponsors it, and politicians be forced to declare conflict of interest and remove themselves from any proceedings regarding such legislation or face censure - something I'm sure their opponents will enjoy using the next election.

    Of course the trouble with all this is that even if media industry looses this round, they'll just try again in a few years. So I still smile when I hear that the music industries sales are still falling despite the growth of online sales.

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  13. Same Minister responsible for Net Neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    For your information -- this same minister is in bed with CanWest Global (our largest news service) and even had one of their employees planning fundraisers for her. She is also the same minister along with Maxime Bernier that is responsible for Net Neutrality in Canada. If you're Canadian and want to help -- check out Charlie Angus's three-point-plan to ensure the ethical sobriety of the heritage minister. Mp3 here If you want to help the Net Neutrality movement and are a Canadian you can sign the petition at neutrality.ca These cabmins that take money from industries they oversee need to be held accountable for their actions.

  14. Re:Canadians: What to do about it. by yukk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't forget to email her too: Oda.B@parl.gc.ca Maybe add a little note in your email pointing her to the article and ask her how much you have to "donate" to get fair treatment.

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  15. It's all government, not just USA/Canada by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't feel too bad, this is a feature of all government. Where you give government powers over something, that power is inevitably abused. The solution is to limit the responsibility of government. The more areas it becomes responsible for the more areas become corrupted.

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    1. Re:It's all government, not just USA/Canada by Emperor+Cezar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Corporations are constructs of governments. To create a corporation, you register with the government and register your officers. You then fall under different rules then a sole-proprieter. When you do this much of the responsibilty and risk is taken out of the business. Thus, no person in the corporation is responsible, or feels responsible for what it does.

      The sole-proprietor independent pizza shop on the corner is the only business hierarchy that isn't built to take advantage of governmental constructs.

      Remember, Corporations are people too. Literally.

    2. Re:It's all government, not just USA/Canada by Curtman · · Score: 3, Informative
      Only in the US I think.

      Really? A lot of people don't realize that The Corporation was a Canadian documentary. I think most of that is a consequence of the WTO which we are a part of as well.
  16. Spineless? Probably, but less so than the Cons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I recall the Liberals telling Bush NO (on both Iraq and missile "defence") repeatedly under great pressure from conservatives, with Stephen Harper even undermining our government and insulting Canadians over it. And surprise surprise, what was the first thing Harper did while in government? SURRENDER to the US over lumber, despite the fact that Canada won every decision, sending a BILLION canadian dollars to the US industry in order to pay them to end their illegal actions. Harper is the spineless Bush-ass-licking coward, the liberals stood up to him, keeping us out of the ridiculous Iraq quagmire and defending our interests rather then cow-towing to the republicans.

  17. Je Ne Suis Pas D'Flibustier by mfh · · Score: 2

    If you suggest that Quebec would tolerate piracy, you have a low opinion of the people of Quebec. One of the main Quebec parties is predominantly conservative, and therefore opposed to fair use (without a financial transaction). If Quebec separated, they would support the interest of publishers over artists or music users.

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  18. Not a Partisan Issue by Comboman · · Score: 3, Informative
    I was modded -1 flamebait for saying that the Conservatives under Mr. Harper are corrupt, useless, and in this case, going against the general public.

    They were correct for modding you flamebait for an anti-Conservative tirade. This is not a partisan issue. Bev Oda's predecessor in Paul Martin's Liberal government Sam Bulte was just as guilty of accepting money from the music lobby. The content industry will throw money at whoever they think can deliver copyright "reform", regardless of what party represent.

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    1. Re:Not a Partisan Issue by flight_master · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed, the Liberals were also given money, and if the NDP were in power, the industry would try to give them money too. However, both the NDP and the Liberals listen to the public, to some extent. In case you didn't notice it, Harper does what he wants, when he wants, and how he wants.

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  19. My letter to my MP by Ripley29 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dear Mr. Shipley,

    I am a constituent in your riding, and I am writing concerning an article from CBC.ca concerning fair-use rights in Canada (http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/01/11/cop yright-canada.html).

    Like many Canadians, I am a lawful citizen who loves both music and technology. I am a Computer Programmer by trade, and am also a musician; needless to say, I take both of these subjects quite seriously, and I am concerned when my enjoyment of either of these become threatened by law. You see, I listen to all of my purchased CDs on my home computer and my portable music player. The first thing I do when I buy a Compact Disc is to 'rip' it to my home computer, so I can catalog and listen to all of my music as digital music files, or MP3s. Under current Canadian law, 'fair-use rights' allow me to do this.

    If new legislation proposed by the Hon. Maxime Bernier and Heritage Minister Hon. Bev Oda is passed, my 'fair-use rights' will be taken away. I will considered a criminal in the eyes of the law if I choose to copy music in any way which I have purchased.

    The simple fact is that we, as Canadians, already pay a 'private copying levy' on all blank media to supplement lost revenues due to piracy; those of us who buy blank CD-ROM media, even if used to backup personal data, are already giving the Canadian Recording Industry money. The continued stong revenues from music Compact Discs, added to the success of Digital Download services such as iTunes prove that piracy is not hurting the Recording Industry as much as they would like us to believe.

    The problem is that taking away our fair-use rights, and enacting Digital Rights Management on musical Compact Discs would prevent copying of music for any purpose. The Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA) would be given the ability to charge multiple times for the same music (Once for a Compact Disc, once for a PC and once for each Portable music player). This unfortunately appears to be the ultimate goal of Digital Rights Management; it has little to do with actually combating piracy. This is greed, plain and simple, yet disguised as anti-piracy measures. Canadian legislation should not be enacted merely to provide large industries additional revenue streams; the law abiding consumer loses in such a scenario.

    I am not the only voter who would be affected by such legislation; this would affect every citizen that owns an iPod or other portable music player, or has ever listened to music on a PC. If this legislation is enacted, the outrage will be felt by many average citizens.

    The Canadian people do not want this. The recording artists themselves do not want this. This legislation only serves the interests of the CRIA and major music distributors. It is also distressing to learn what close ties Hon. Bev Oda and the CRIA have, even though the voices of average citizens and Canadian recording artists are not being heard (http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/1631/125/ ).

    I truly hope that you take this issue seriously, as I do sincerely believe that if this legislation is enacted and Canadian fair-use is taken away, Canadian citizens including those in your constituency will act swifty and harshly.

    Thank-you for taking the time to read this. It is appreciated.

    [Name]
    [City and Province]
    Lambton--Kent--Middlesex

    CC: Maxime Bernier, Bev Oda

  20. Re:Vive le Québec libre! by hublan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yet another reason for separation of Quebec.


    Oh, come now. Québecois politicians have corruption nailed down just as well as, if not better than, their Ottawa counterparts. Indeed the duplication of all levels of the Federal government in Québec simply encourages this. Ever wondered why the income tax is so high here?
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