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New York To Ban iPods While Crossing Street?

An anonymous reader writes to mention Reuters is reporting that New York State Senator Carl Kruger is looking to institute a $100 fine for using electronic gadgets while crossing the street. Citing three pedestrian deaths in his Brooklyn district as the main driving reason he believe Government has an obligation to protect its citizens. "Tech-consuming New Yorkers trudge to work on sidewalks and subways like an army of drones, appearing to talk to themselves on wireless devices or swaying to seemingly silent tunes. 'I'm not trying to intrude on that,' Kruger said. 'But what's happening is when they're tuning into their iPod or Blackberry or cell phone or video game, they're walking into speeding buses and moving automobiles. It's becoming a nationwide problem.'"

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  1. government might want to step back by yagu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The government might want to step back up onto the curb on this one. This is legislation and government oversight gone amok.

    There probably already are ordinances anyway that cover contributory actions by pedestrians in accidents... even if they happen in a crosswalk.

    Regardless, I think the best course would be to absolve motorists of 100% contributory negligence in accidents with pedestrians who are otherwise electronic-gadget engaged while crossing a street or intersection. It is otherwise unnecessary to proscribe pedestrians from using electronic gadgets (and, hey, why just electronic?... what about the dolts who are reading the paper, a magazine, etc. while walking into an intersection?)

    There may even be an argument for letting Darwin and evolution taking its course for those who would be so caught up in their ipod, razr, etc. they blindly step into oncoming traffic. Besides, those are the ones who would continue to use and abuse regardless of the ordinances on the books. Does it really make sense to allocate time and energy of law enforcement officials to monitor people and their gadgets? Not so much.

    1. Re:government might want to step back by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Regardless, I think the best course would be to absolve motorists of 100% contributory negligence in accidents with pedestrians who are otherwise electronic-gadget engaged while crossing a street or intersection.

      Um... no. The bottom line is that motorists should be looking out for pedestrians, even if those pedestrians are doing stupid things. That's the responsibility you take on when you gain the privilege of shooting a 5000 lbs hunk of metal around our cities. Why the hell is it so hard for people to accept that driving a car is an inherently dangerous activity, for both the people inside the car and the people outside of the car, and take necessary precautions?

      It's one thing if someone literally steps in front of your car and you have no possibility of dodging them-- but that's covered under the law anyhow. If someone jumps in front of your car, gets hit, and dies, you won't be charged with anything. But my your suggestion, motorists would be allowed to mow people down in intersections if they have an iPod. That's stupid.

  2. Responsibility by Pentavirate · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So when do we start requiring people to start taking responsibility for themselves?

  3. Re:Natural Selection At Work by HarvardAce · · Score: 5, Funny

    Instead of unfairly penalizing those of us who can listen to music while crossing the street (and, heaven forbid, chewing gum at the same time), why don't you just make it illegal to get hit by a vehicle while crossing the street and using an electronic gadget?

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  4. Address the other factors by Sierran · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This seems to assume that the iPods were the proximate cause of these pedestrians' deaths. What were the full circumstances? i.e. were they jaywalking? Were the vehicles moving against traffic regulations? While I may not like current NYC traffic regs, they do presently exist for that purpose. If the pedestrians were in a crosswalk, moving with the light, then *technically* it's not their responsibility to avoid traffic - it's the vehicle's responsibility to avoid them, according to NY State law. If they *weren't* in a crosswalk and moving with a light, they were *already* in violation of traffic regulations for which they can be punished, iPod/gadget or no. Why another whole layer of government legislation to interfere with my behavior which, if I'm obeying the law, does nothing but raise my personal risk vs. others (drivers) who aren't?

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  5. Relevance? by p0tat03 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me get this straight:

    If I have the right of way (i.e., I am at a cross walk, and the WALK sign is on), and I get hit by a car while crossing the street, this is clearly not my fault, and any amount of cell phone talking or iPod listening is entirely irrelevant.

    If I do not have the right of way (e.g., jay-walking), and I get hit by a car, it is my own damned fault, but the problem is the fact that I jay-walked, not the fact that I was listening to a bloody iPod!

    Jay-walking is already illegal, there's no reason for this law.

  6. Re:Natural Selection At Work by antifoidulus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow, the joke took his head off and removed him from the gene pool! How apropos.

  7. Re:Why pause? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Heck, it's even solved by not crossing against signals!
    You clearly don't live or work in Manhattan :)

    Turning on red while there are pedestrians crossing is the rule, not the exception. Which brings us to the larger point; if they really cared about pedestrian safety, they would start by enforcing existing traffic laws.
  8. Re:Sounds like... by greg1104 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If people want to walk around with sunglasses at night, you gonna ticket them, too?

    Yes, people who have Corey Hart songs on their iPod should get two tickets.

  9. Re:Natural Selection At Work by Rasit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, because making suicide illegal has really cut down on that problem. That's because the punishment is not hard enought, we really need a death penalty on attempted suicide.
  10. Are you deaf!? by skelly33 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it even worth pointing out that some people are born with hearing impairment? Having the use of your ears does not make or break your ability to safely navigate through city streets. Having a fully operational brain is what accomplishes that.

  11. Re:Why pause? by WhyDoYouWantToKnow · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Where have you been? Expect existing laws to be enforced, you must be new here. Let me tell you how it works. When the idiots... er, public is in danger, politicians must enact laws to protect people from themselves. When those laws become incapable of protecting people from their stupidity... er, I mean the evil people who don't obey the laws, the politicians must enact new laws to ensure the survival of the lowest common denominator.

    Enforce existing traffic laws, now thats funny.

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  12. No...ticket money by Foerstner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, governments thrive on paperwork and meetings. That's what bureaucrats live for; it's what makes them get up in the morning.

    This is about ticket revenue. See, right now, it's hard to cite pedestrians. New York loves to hand out tickets, but too few New Yorkers drive cars. Brooklyn desperately needs to find a way to give out more citations to pedestrians, and this is the perfect way.

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  13. Re:Natural Selection At Work by jeremymiles · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seatbelts also lead to a shortage of donor organs - at least they did after the law was introduced in the UK. And dialysis is pretty expensive, if you only want to look from an economic perspective.

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  14. Re:Natural Selection At Work by Zixia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A person who survives a motorcycle crash because they wore a helmet, but sustains multiple fractures and internal bleeding will more costly to treat than a corpse. ...and can potentially give back more to society once fit again than a corpse.