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Chimps Found Making Own Weapons to Hunt for Food

Pojut writes "The Washington Post has an article involving chimps and weapons. Apparently, there have been direct observations of chimps in the west African savannah modifying sticks to create spears. They then use these spears to kill small mammals and eat them. It is the first time that an animal other than a human has been directly observed in crafting a weapon for the purpose of hunting or killing."

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  1. The next stage of evolution... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

    The next stage of evolution won't be long now.

    In a few years scientists will discover the monkeys have learnt how to lash these sticks together to make chairs.

    Throwing these at their prey is more effective because it fucking kills them.

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    1. Re:The next stage of evolution... by bladx · · Score: 5, Funny

      Developers, developers, developers...

    2. Re:The next stage of evolution... by Wannabe+Code+Monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      First this: Evidence of Chimp Developing "Spoken" Language, then this: Chimps Use Tool Kit, and now Chimps Found Making Own Weapons to Hunt for Food. I'm telling you, we gotta get off this rock soon.

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    3. Re:The next stage of evolution... by TekPolitik · · Score: 4, Funny

      The next stage of evolution won't be long now... In a few years scientists will discover the monkeys have learnt how to lash these sticks together to make chairs.

      Nah, in the next stage the chimps will learn to trade the spears with gorillas to get food. Then they will trade spears with a rival tribe of gorillas for more food. Then they will sit back, watch the gorillas kill eachother, then eat the gorillas.

      After all, if Ronald Regan can do this with gorillas* in South America, the chimps can do it with gorillas in Africa.

      * Yes, I know you don't spell it that way.

  2. Get your Stinking Paws off me, you damn dirty ape! by rednip · · Score: 5, Funny

    We need to nip this in the bud, before they learn to ride horses, shoot guns, speak english and hunt humans for sport. But if they do, I for one welcome our new simian overlords, and I wish to remind you that as a programmer, I am fatty and full of cholesterol.

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  3. Yeah by The+Zon · · Score: 5, Funny

    It is the first time that an animal other than a human has been directly observed in crafting a weapon for the purpose of hunting or killing.
    Only because the squirrels are too slick to get caught.
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    1. Re:Yeah by rilister · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The birds are in on it too: this totally blew me away.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYZnsO2ZgWo
      looks like an animal crafting a tool to me.

      More about this here:
      http://www.sciencemag.org/feature/data/crow/

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  4. This is news? by Seantotheizzo · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's nothing. They've already learned how to get into houses... White houses seem especially vulnerable.

  5. Uh oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What if they start killing endangered animals?

    1. Re:Uh oh! by FooGoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      They will be taught multiculturalism

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  6. Animals are people too.. by mozumder · · Score: 4, Funny

    .. just REALLY dumb people.

  7. Chimps making weapons? by Pikoro · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would rather see them make peace...

    Then they can show their human-like qualities and break it

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  8. Found a picture... by Brad1138 · · Score: 4, Funny
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  9. But from where... by Marnhinn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't much care where the chimps evolve to...

    I would like to know if this is a learned behavior from an outside source or if this is simply something they have discovered on their own.

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    1. Re:But from where... by Marko+DeBeeste · · Score: 5, Funny

      Black Monolith.

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    2. Re:But from where... by aquabat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Making a weapon requires foresight into the possible effects they may have. I seriously doubt chimps have such cognitive skills. IAAC, and I take exception to that remark. You humans think you're so superior. Let's see what kind of foresight y'all have expressed recently:

      nuclear weapons

      the internal combustion engine

      cod fishing on the Grand Banks

      clearcutting of rainforest in Brazil to raise cattle

      software patents

      the patriot act

      "the solution to pollution is dilution"

      lawyers

      If you know to whom my sig is attributed, then you probably know how I think all this is going to end.

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    3. Re:But from where... by dosquatch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Making a weapon requires foresight into the possible effects they may have. I seriously doubt chimps have such cognitive skills.

      Even if it is some form of imitation, doesn't that indicate some grasp of the encompassed cause and effect? Some glimmer of said foresight?

      Otters use flat stones to crack open shellfish. Some apes use sticks to fish for termites. Is this really such a stretch?

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    4. Re:But from where... by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      " It is the first time that an animal other than a human has been directly observed in crafting a weapon for the purpose of hunting or killing."

      Spiders construct webs for hunting and killing. No intelligence required.

    5. Re:But from where... by DreamingReal · · Score: 5, Funny
      I would like to know if this is a learned behavior from an outside source or if this is simply something they have discovered on their own.


      You raise an interesting and controversial question. According to an unofficial source on the research team, one of the research assistants allowed several of the chimps to use his PSP and play GTA: Liberty City Stories. Soon after, those same chimps were observed stabbing the bush babies. The source went on to say that the connection is being kept hush-hush as several people on the team are avid gamers and don't want to lend ammunition to the Lieberman argument that violent video games inspire violent behavior. Needless to say, they are very worried about what will happen if the chimps encounter any Senegali automobiles and/or hookers.

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    6. Re:But from where... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would like to know if this is a learned behavior from an outside source or if this is simply something they have discovered on their own. Chimps are very much like us. They engage in warfare with other chimp tribes, they use "hammer and anvil" tactics in hunting parties--- none of this learned from outside. The idea that nature is some sort of benign place full of happy peaceful animals living in harmony is definitely wishful thinking.
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    7. Re:But from where... by Laser+Lou · · Score: 4, Funny

      IAAC, and I take exception to that remark. You humans think you're so superior. Let's see what kind of foresight y'all have expressed recently:

      nuclear weapons

      the internal combustion engine

      cod fishing on the Grand Banks

      clearcutting of rainforest in Brazil to raise cattle

      software patents

      the patriot act

      "the solution to pollution is dilution"

      lawyers You forgot to include Slashdot in that list.
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    8. Re:But from where... by bitt3n · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Spiders construct webs for hunting and killing. No intelligence required.
      In that case, the purpose of the web is imputed by the observer, in the same way that one might say that the purpose of the otter's oily coat is to allow the coat to repel water, but the otter need not be aware of this purpose for the coat to fulfill it. In the case of the monkey, the purpose of the spear appears to be imputed by the animal itself. That is likely what the article finds significant.
    9. Re:But from where... by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 4, Funny

      Okay, apart from nuclear weapons, the internal combustion engine, cod fishing on the Grand Banks, clearcutting of rainforest in Brazil to raise cattle, software patents, the patriot act, "the solution to pollution is dilution", lawyers, computers, spacefaring vehicles, medicine, communication networks, agriculture...what did the Romans ever do for us?

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    10. Re:But from where... by Yoda's+Mum · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Aqueduct?

    11. Re:But from where... by smallfries · · Score: 4, Funny

      You splitter bastards!

      I spit on the Judean People's Front.

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    12. Re:But from where... by joh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Chimps are very much like us. They engage in warfare with other chimp tribes, they use "hammer and anvil" tactics in hunting parties--- none of this learned from outside.


      There are two species comprising the chimpanzee genus. The common chimp is what you describe, the Pygmy Chimp (also called Bonobo) is much different. Bonobos don't engage in warfare and prefer having sex with each other all day over aggressive encounters. They're much less dominant and aggressive within their tribes, too.

      Both species seem to thrive well. I find it kind of refreshing to see that there are very different social models possible and both work. And while the chimps seem to be more inventive when it comes to killing, the Bonobos are certainly more inventive when it comes to having fun. I think we should learn from them.

      It's also interesting to see that the behaviour of Bonobos seems to be much too unsettling that you will see or read much of it. Even in scientific literature they were more or less taboo for a long time and even today you won't see documentaries showing them having all kinds of sex just for fun (and they really do that all the time, including oral sex, masturbation and homosexual sex).

    13. Re:But from where... by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Funny

      No fair, at least four of those items can be attributed to politicians, not humans.

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  10. We should invade. by yotto · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't care what the UN says. Those weapons could be dangerous. If we got Hitler when he was at this stage, imagine how many people we'd have saved.

    1. Re:We should invade. by Jurrasic · · Score: 5, Funny

      Won't happen. For Dubya to call for an invasion on the chimps, he would have to admit beliving in evolution first. :p

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  11. Hm... by darkhitman · · Score: 5, Funny

    By any chance, was a mysterious 1x4x9 slab of black stone found in the near vicinity, as well?

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  12. Re:Get your Stinking Paws off me, you damn dirty a by Brad1138 · · Score: 5, Funny

    We need to nip this in the bud, before they learn to ride horses, shoot guns

    Too late

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  13. Very interesting. by GrumpySimon · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The paper's really interesting, it's currently in press in Current Biology. Abstract:

    Although tool use is known to occur in species ranging from naked mole rats to owls, chimpanzees are the most accomplished tool users. The modification and use of tools during hunting, however, is still considered to be a uniquely human trait among primates. Here, we report the first account of habitual tool use during vertebrate hunting by nonhumans. At the Fongoli site in Senegal, we observed ten different chimpanzees use tools to hunt prosimian prey in 22 bouts.

            This includes immature chimpanzees and females, members of age-sex classes not normally characterized by extensive hunting behavior. Chimpanzees made 26 different tools, and we were able to recover and analyze 12 of these. Tool construction entailed up to five steps, including trimming the tool tip to a point. Tools were used in the manner of a spear, rather than a probe or rousing tool. This new information on chimpanzee tool use has important implications for the evolution of tool use and construction for hunting in the earliest hominids, especially given our observations that females and immature chimpanzees exhibited this behavior more frequently than adult males.


    Should have the DOI 10.1016/j.cub.2006.12.042 when it's published (it's NOT active yet - give it some time).

    However, from a quick reading of the paper, this seems to be a simple extension of the ant-nest probing behavior (i.e. jam a stick into a nest and feed off the ants/termites that rush out). What *is* interesting is that the chimps appear to have crafted these tools through a number of steps (which is uncommon, AFAIK, the only other animal to do this is the New Caledonian Crow.
  14. We have a responsibility by maynard · · Score: 4, Funny

    We have a responsibility to teach our animal friends basic human rights. If we could, perhaps, show those chimps what REALLY happens with meat, perhaps we could convince them to go back to vegetarianism. Ya know, eat a banana like they're supposed to. We have perverted chimps. They see us, with our corndogs, beef jerky, egg mcmuffins and -- of course -- monkey see monkey do. We have to set an example.

    To that end I've been feeding my cat oats and corn. The result is that she's thinner and healthier than ever! She was twenty two pounds before -- a total blubber cat -- yet now on this new diet she's down to less than five pounds and friendlier than ever! I mean -- like, duh -- of course cats want to join in with man and help the environment! Eating meat KILLS!!!

    All we have to do is turn the animal kingdom vegetarian and not only will we have 'uplifted' them to ethical eating, but mother earth will love us back too. Hey, don't you love your mother?

  15. Re:UPDATE: Nearby females notice... by puppetman · · Score: 4, Informative

    It was the females making the tools, not the males. A woman's body-building competition might be more apt here.

  16. demands by grimdawg · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am the chimpanzee about whom TFA is written.

    Indeed, my comrades and I have been plotting our takeover of this planet for some time. Many of us have infiltrated your puny laboratories to observe your cleverest specimens. We have been studying your ways and have chosen this moment to make public our newfound intelligence. Our terms are as follows:

    1) We wish to rid ourselves of the stigma of chimps loving bananas. We prefer a balanced diet of various fruit and nuts (We have yet to try man-flesh, though it looks appetising). To this end, we demand a stop to all screenings of 'Bangers & Mash' and the destruction of all copies of 'The Secret of Monkey Island' and the 'Donkey Kong' series of games.

    2) We do not protest the testing of cosmetics on chimpanzees, but we demand that trained beauty professionals conduct the testing instead of pimply grad students and chemists.

    3) We demand the recognition of 'monolithism' as a religion in all nations, and the freedom to dance around large phallic monoliths 3 times per day.

    4) Arrested Development is to return with new episodes. The character of 'Oscar Bluth' is to be gruesomely killed. We may prefer spears to firearms, but we will not tolerate stoner humour.

    5) We demand that chimpanzees be allowed to play on the Men's PGA Golf Tour.

    6) We demand not to be given the vote.

    We do not want to go to war with the human race, only to coexist peacefully and with dignity. If you do not comply, we will direct all chimps working in WoW gold farms to stop immediately, thus destroying the US and Chinese economies in one fell swoop.

    Respond within 3 hours.

    P.S. We also like Law & Order. Goren is so unorthodox.

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  17. Baboons by flyingfsck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even Baboons, which are considerably stupider than Chimpanzees, use rocks to crush shell-fish and have been observed throwing rocks in self defence.

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  18. Re:Semantics by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you read the article, you'll find out that some of the chimps are sharpening the ends, and are not merely fishing, but using force to injure the critters they're hunting. It's definitely spearing, though there's no reason to think that this innovation hasn't been developed from the fishing technique. That is no different than virtually all our technologies, which are rooted in earlier ones.

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  19. Re:killing animals making tools? by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By no one's definition of the term could creatures who place a truckload of high explosives into a crowded marketplace and blow hundreds of people to meat chunks be considered human.

          Congratulations. Dehumanization is the first important step down the path to genocide. The jews in Nazi Germany weren't "human" either. Carry on.

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  20. Re:Semantics by ericspinder · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sorry, I don't buy the story. Just media sensationalism to me. Actually there is a big difference. Finding stick on ground and knowing that more ants will crawl on it if it is bent a certain way, is one thing. However, finding large stick on ground, taking the time to sharpen it, stalk another animal, and then use it effectively, is something else altogether.
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  21. Re:Get your Stinking Paws off me, you damn dirty a by boaworm · · Score: 4, Funny

    and I wish to remind you that as a programmer, I am fatty and full of cholesterol

    Chimp 1: This one is fatty and full of cholesterol
    Chimp 2: Mmm... bacon!

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  22. It's not just the chimps. by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Informative

    Crows, it appears , will also use tools to get at grubs they otherwise wouldn't be able to kill and eat. Some critters are smart that way. There are also now observed cases of mother dolphins passing along tool-using culture in food-gathering.

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    1. Re:It's not just the chimps. by Herby+Sagues · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now that there's reliable intelligence indicating that the chimps in Senegal are building weapons, an US led invasion should not be far.

  23. Weapons Smuggled In by MrSteveSD · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're not actually making the weapons themselves. The Whitehouse says they are being made in Iran and smuggled in. There's no firm evidence, but it's true.

  24. Re:"Hammer and anvil"? by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Funny

    You take the anvil, go on top of a very tall cliff, and drop it on your prey. Works also with grand pianos and safes in place of the anvils.

    Be aware however that it's not foolproof. If you're standing on a ledge and you let go of the anvil, you may find it's you and the ledge that drops, not the anvil. There's also the risk that you'll miss the roadrunner, and the anvil will instead bounce back up, higher than when you dropped it, and fall on your head. You will then be pushed through the ledge and plummet to the ground. The anvil will then fall on you. As will the ledge.

    That's my guess.

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