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AMD A Ripe Target For Buyout?

SpiceMonkey writes "AMD stock was up 6.74% on Monday on rumors that AMD is a prime buyout target. After their purchase of ATI, they've been pressed to maintain their aggressive policy of chip production increases. As a result, the AMD message board on Yahoo! is full of speculation on who has their eyes on the company. Many folks there think that IBM is the right buyer for the company. There's no firm word that AMD is even being considered for purchase, but it's certainly and interesting prospect."

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  1. don't get exited: it's just about money, not tech by chriss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    TFA does not talk about a buyout for technology reasons. No, IBM does not want to compete with Intel on the x86 market. This is about a private equity firm (aka a group with a lot of money) possibly trying to buy a large part of AMD. It's all about money, not tech.

    Why would they do this? They either believe that AMDs stock is undervalued (it slipped 12% since January due to $574 million forth quarter loss) or they expect the company to fare pretty good in the future. Any way, they'd make money. A third option is always someone believing the single parts of the company are worth more than the stock and breaking it up and selling them separately will be profitable, but AMD is not sufficiently diversified to make this likely.

    So what would happen if the rumors were true? Someone else would receive the bonus in the future.

  2. Barcelona will answer this question. by lavid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It really depends upon how barcelona performs. It's been a long time since AMD spit out a new architecture and it will be interesting to see if they blew all their creative juices on the A64 arch 3 years ago.

    AMD would have to change their "x86 everywhere" rhetoric if they were to be bought out by IBM, that's for sure.

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    1. Re:Barcelona will answer this question. by jimstapleton · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now I can't get the Queen song Barcelona out of my head (I heard it yesterday, then you make this reference)

      Thanks.

      Oh, and good point to.

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    2. Re:Barcelona will answer this question. by arivanov · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not entirely true. I remember seeing somewhere that the next Power will use hypertransport and share bus and IO architecture as well as being socket compatible with AMD. It should be able to slot into the same boards. All you will need will be to replace the BIOS with a PPC boot loader.
      Also AMD is not actually pushing x86 everywhere. It is pushing hypertransport everywhere. It has licensed socket and bus specs to various specialised chip shops and has said that it actually sees its CPUs occupying only a fraction of the sockets in the tomorrow datacenter. The rest will be occupied by specialised kit (power included).
      In fact, I would not be surprised if we see a chimaera which has PPC and AMD chips on the same MB in less than 3 years.

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  3. Clever marketing scheme by 68030 · · Score: 4, Funny

    And not a single cute anagram out of IBM, AMD, and ATI..

    Maybe "Mama Bid It" or "AM BitMaid" :(

    1. Re:Clever marketing scheme by mikael · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe a few:

      Mad Aim Bit
      Dim Bat Aim
      I Bit Madam

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    2. Re:Clever marketing scheme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Probably IBM will scream: ' IBM, DAAMIT! '

    3. Re:Clever marketing scheme by Criffer · · Score: 4, Informative

      And not a single cute anagram out of IBM, AMD, and ATI..

      How about "I'm a bit mad"?
  4. Couldn't possibly be a pump and dump scheme.. by R2.0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    After all, Yahoo is the definitive source for financial information.

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    1. Re:Couldn't possibly be a pump and dump scheme.. by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative

      The article is from Reuters, and is presumably talking about Wall Street chatter. The Yahoo message board activity seems to be secondary to the article. It is interesting that people think people with enough money(and rapid enough access to information) to 'trade' would waste their time on Yahoo message boards.

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  5. IBM?? NOT!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You have to be kidding, IBM a prospective buyer? How on earth does that make sense? Why would IBM want to be in the Intel clone business? Do they need the extra fab capacity, no? Is there some IP that they might be after, highly doubtful that there is enough to warrant a purchase vs simply licensing it. AAMOF, I don't see any value that AMD could bring to the company compared to the rather large price they would have to pay to get it. IBM is just fine selling gazillions of PPC based chips to video game manufacturers and doing their other custom IC work.

    1. Re:IBM?? NOT!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It seems like IBM is at a crossroads in the semiconductor business, similar to about 10 years ago. Itanium failed like IBM said it would and they were right to stick it out.


      Should they stay in it or should the get out? They make wonderful products, they've got volume customers but I don't know if that's a business you stay competitive in if it's not your core vision. IBM simply makes chips because there aren't chips that are good enough to do what they need to sell their solutions. Buying AMD makes a lot of sense, it get's them in to the x86 business, AMD has a ton of knowledge and experience, it hedges their POWER business and it also gives them a dramatic boost in the fab for hire business.


      Otherwise, it seems that IBM being in hardware at all is kind of a question. It's a long term losing battle to keep doing what they are doing, eventually the value proposition of buying cheap Intel parts out weighs the value prop of building their own. Eventually cheap AMD and Intel parts will do more than what is needed in expensive POWERx parts. I think if Sony, Nintendo and MS didn't buy IBM parts, the decision would have already been made and IBM would be formulating a strategy to exit semiconductors. I don't like that but what's the business case other wise? Assuming that it costs IBM and Intel the same to architect a new generation of chip, only IBM will make 2 million of them and Intel will make 50million of them, you do the math.


      hard to say, it's probably just a rumor but I think it makes a lot more sense than a lot of people might thing. Sun seems like a good candidate too, I don't know that sun has the jack to buy AMD though. Sun makes perfect sense actually and as such I could see IBM putting their foot in the door, so to speak.

  6. The message board on Yahoo? by LordSnooty · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now someone will tell me that all the great movers & shakers in Wall Street are signed up to the same Yahoogroups list. Excuse me if I don't believe that. Is this idle speculation masquerading as news?

  7. oooohhh, yahoo! trumps research! buy now! by swschrad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    freakin' preposterous.

    yahoo stock boards are full of stock pimps and shenanigans, as well as cranky posters and politics junkies.

    I'd rather get stock touts from a street drunk than that board. you could probably do better pumping and dumping penny stocks mentioned in spam than using yahoo as your guide.

    everybody, repeat after me. "Tech stocks are NOT bubble plays, they are lead balloons. there is ONE tech stock in a thousand that is a money rocket, the rest just plink along as no-brain speculators play with them."

    trade if you must on the fundamentals, not on cool technology. cool technology lasts half a year, then it's trumped, and it costs 50 times as much to find the next breakthrough as the first one.

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  8. Re:don't get exited: it's just about money, not te by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    They either believe that AMDs stock is undervalued (it slipped 12% since January due to $574 million forth quarter loss) or they expect the company to fare pretty good in the future. Or they simply want to rape the company:
    http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/05/news/companies/pri vate_equity_dividends/
  9. Re:don't get exited: it's just about money, not te by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    A private equity firm is unlikely to be interested in AMD. Private equity investors tend to focus on consistantly profitable companies in declining sectors, e.g. the recent buyout of a utility in Texas is a case in point. Utilities have a predictable revenue stream, and don't have fast-growing revenues. The profits are necessary because private equity investors don't have money: they are leveraged (i.e. are in debt), and use the profits to both finance the leverage and secure a return for their investors. The declining sector is important because it means the share price will be low.

    AMD has two things against it: it doesn't have predictable profits (game plan since the 90's: it releases a new product, is profitable, takes market share from Intel, Intel strikes back, AMD has losses) and it is in a sector which isn't necessarily in long-term decline (though things have been rough since the tech bust).

    If there is a buyer, I'd bet it'll be either another semiconductor company, or at least one with a signficant semiconductor interest.

  10. Re:oooohhh, yahoo! trumps research! buy now! by chriss · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article that describes the unusual movement in the market and the possibility of a buyout is from Reuters, so it can be considered valid. Only the idiotic discussion about IBM buying AMD is from Yahoo.

  11. Re:don't get exited: it's just about money, not te by Lord+Phaeton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although in the past private equity firms have generally sought to buy firms with undervalued stocks, with the massive amount of money floating around today pe firms usually buy companies and extract value for themselves by leveraging the company (hence the term leveraged buyout).

    In this case, that would be a terrible idea. AMD's debt load is such that a firm would be unable to raise it significantly, but most importantly, AMD competes in a cyclical industry. Many are worried about the recent Freescale LBO because in a highly cyclical industry like semiconductors if the industry turns down and the leveraged firm can't make its debt payments, then it goes belly up.

    Considering all of these factors I think that an LBO of AMD is highly unlikely.

  12. Re:oogy-boogy! oogy-boogy! by aonaran · · Score: 2, Funny

    What's that tourists bad??? now I'm beginning to understand American policy.

  13. Re:When is someone NOT a buyout target? by FredDC · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft wants to buy George Bush
     
    Impossible! Big oil would never sell him!

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  15. Apple by scstsut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Though it won't happen. Bask in ruminations of what would happen if Apple bought AMD.

  16. Re:corporate evolution by Skater · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, railroads, at least in North America, are quite successful these days. Profits are up, track utilization is very high, and the industry is quite strong. They're pulling business from long-haul trucks, and moving containers by the thousands. Their biggest risk now is becoming victims of their own success, since they can't build enough new track to ease already overburdened lines (every time they try, environmentalist groups try to stop them).

  17. Yahoo Msg Board Speculation?! by SwashbucklingCowboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's the basis for this? Speculation on a msg board?

    Might as well read the National Inquirer...

  18. Huge upside potential by wytcld · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We know from the last few years experience that AMD can, for limited periods of time, pull ahead of Intel. That initially surprised a bunch of people whose conventional wisdom was that AMD would always merely follow, and its stock doubled. Then Intel pulled ahead again, and AMD's stock fell all the back and some. But before that reversal, AMD (1) gained significant market entry (e.g. Dell) so that in the event it pulls ahead of Intel again, it can more immediately capitalize on that lead, (2) bought a major graphics chip maker, which can potentially give it more ways to pull ahead. But that was expensive, so:

    At this point AMD might want to take on a significant minority investor from private equity. That would ease its short-term debt. From the investor's point of view, all that is necessary to make a huge profit is for AMD to pull ahead of Intel again - however briefly - which could easily double the value of AMD's stock again. But the greater upside is if AMD can innovate its way to a longer-term lead over Intel. If that were to happen AMD's value could increase by an order of magnitude.

    Also, if you're private equity, you probably feel you're smarter than God, so that if AMD were compelled by your investment to listen carefully to your strategic ideas, the upside potentials would become much better bets.

    Of course, there's a substantial chance of losing it all too. But over the last 40 years the GDP per capita in the US has doubled, while the median income per capita has held within a few percent of steady. That basically means that the there's twice the wealth - more than that considering population growth, but twice as much for each person on average. But each person doesn't have that. It's the super rich who have it, and they're the players in the private equity game. They can afford to gamble big, because they have so much they can take huge losses on any particular bet and still come out far ahead of the rest of us.

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  19. Re:don't get exited: it's just about money, not te by mgblst · · Score: 4, Funny

    Isn't that Richard Gere's character's job in Pretty Woman?
     
    Mate, you are definately on the wrong site.

  20. Oh please let the buyer be Nvidia by MrCopilot · · Score: 2
    Would that be sweet or what? Nvidia, nforce chipsets, AMD64. Ahh....

    Of course nVidia would need a sizable loan. Come on we could all chip in...

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  21. Re:don't get exited: it's just about money, not te by afabbro · · Score: 2, Informative
    Private equity investors tend to focus on consistantly profitable companies in declining sectors

    Toys R Us, Hertz, Sungard, Neiman Marcus, Intelsat, Equity Office, Hospital Corp of America, Harrah's, Clear Channel, Freescale, Albertson's...and those are just the LBOs. Saying private equity "tends to focus on consistantly profitable companies in declining sectors" is just wrong. Look at Wilbur Ross - he exclusively buys turnaround prospects and everything he buys is losing money. Sungard, Neiman Marcus, Harrah's, etc. are not in declining sectors.

    I don't disagree with your basic analysis for LBOs...but not all PE is an LBO. There is a substantial buy-and-hold group of PE investors (where "hold" is 5+ years...hey, this is Wall Street, what do you expect).

    Private equity is not all that different than regular (as in stock market) equity...it's just, well, private. The current issue of Fortune has an excellent, extensive story on private equity today.

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