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How Open Source Is Changing Education

ftblguy writes "MIT's Open CourseWare program provides a great example of how the open source movement is impacting education. The Online Education Database also lists Project Gutenberg, Wikipedia, Linux, Firefox, and Google (?) as some of the other open source in education success stories. Open source and open access resources have changed how colleges, organizations, instructors, and prospective students use software, operating systems, and online documents for educational purposes. Each success story has served as a springboard to create more open source successes."

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  1. Re: and Google (?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is great for inquiries.

    Students and real journalists use it all the time.

  2. Not mentioning Moodle is a crime by dibau · · Score: 1, Redundant

    The best education open-source software out there!

    1. Re:Not mentioning Moodle is a crime by MattPat · · Score: 1

      I know it's configuration, not the software, and I've heard Moodle can be pretty good, but...

      I know of quite a few people who want to pull their hair out because of Moodle's constant annoying email notifications. :P For them, using Moodle feels like punishment for a crime.

    2. Re:Not mentioning Moodle is a crime by Sandcastle · · Score: 1

      All of which, as a participant/student, you can turn off on a per forum per course etc. basis. Unless the facilitator of the course has mandated it, but then it's them you should be miffed with.

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      The fact that a fish swims in water does not make it an expert in fluid dynamics. GogglesPisano (199483)
  3. Open Source? by owlnation · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm puzzled. In what way is Google open source? Yes, there are some open elements, but...

    And Wikipedia's success is far from proven, nor is it entirely truly open either. If anything the area where it fails the most is in Education, since the information it contains is unreliable.

    1. Re:Open Source? by L4m3rthanyou · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wikipedia can be unreliable, yes, and that's why students here are told not to use it directly. However, it's still an incredibly useful tool when used as a "launch pad" for finding other sources (via google or whatever else).

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    2. Re:Open Source? by kripkenstein · · Score: 1

      I'm puzzled. In what way is Google open source?

      Yes, I am puzzled too. TFA seems to use 'open source' in a way that I, at least, am not familiar with. Basically they call 'open source' something that includes the open access movement (mentioned recently on Slashdot - duped, even) and related things. This is very close to what Eben Moglen (of the FSF, etc.) calls 'free culture'. Freedom as a whole would include FOSS, but FOSS is just one part of it; another is free sharing of information and culture, which includes filesharing as well as projects like MIT's Open CourseWare.

    3. Re:Open Source? by mgiuca · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm puzzled. In what way is Google open source? Yes, there are some open elements, but...
      Google is a huge promoter and funder of open source software. But I agree, their core software is not, which is kinda hypocritical.

      And Wikipedia's success is far from proven, nor is it entirely truly open either. If anything the area where it fails the most is in Education, since the information it contains is unreliable.
      Wikipedia is as open as anything possibly could be. (Short of them giving everyone root access on their web servers).
      • The software it runs on (MediaWiki) was written specifically for Wikipedia. It's open source and GPL. I use it for my personal and professional (education) uses all the time.
      • The other software on their web servers is Apache and MySQL. Both open source.
      • All text which gets placed on Wikipedia is automatically released under the GFDL, so the text is "open source" (or "open text") too. This means anyone is free to copy the text and use it, but they must continue to release under the GFDL, similar to the GPL.
      • Finally, it's open in the sense that anyone can edit it!
      Therefore I am baffled at this statement that Wikipedia is "not entirely truly open".
    4. Re:Open Source? by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 1

      No-one can tell whether you're being sarcastic. Well done.

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    5. Re:Open Source? by Wormholio · · Score: 1

      And Wikipedia's success is far from proven, nor is it entirely truly open either. If anything the area where it fails the most is in Education, since the information it contains is unreliable.

      The fact that Wikipedia can be unreliable is not necessarily a bad thing for education, if you approach it properly. It can be a good starting point, but not always a good authoritative source. So I teach my students to be careful in accepting what it says without question. In other words, I teach them to think critically. That's a good thing.
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    6. Re:Open Source? by griffjon · · Score: 1

      ...they let people using Windows edit it? ... uh... yeah, it's open.

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    7. Re:Open Source? by DCastagna · · Score: 1

      I think they're running lighttpd: another open source web server. :)

    8. Re:Open Source? by gkhan1 · · Score: 1

      No, wikipedia most certainly runs on Apache. See this diagram for a layout of wikipedia servers (it might not be completely current). The master databases are MySQL, the web-servers are Apache running mediawiki and all pages are cached by a huge bunch of squids. And, of course, they all run linux :)

    9. Re:Open Source? by mgiuca · · Score: 1

      Oh... yeah ... forgot Linux!

  4. Where's Moodle? by Flambergius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the story is about "Open Source in education success stories" and it does not even mention Moodle (http://moodle.org/), I won't hesitate to consider it worthless. Moodle is the biggest Open Source success in education. To be completely ignorant about it is to be ignorant about Open Source in education.

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    1. Re:Where's Moodle? by Adhemar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Moodle (moodle.org) is great, but so is that other Free Software e-learning and course management web application Dokeos (dokeos.com). (A fork of ex-Claroline, by the original authors, who are no longer employed by the UCL who owns the trademark Claroline.)

      Which one is the best, Moodle or Dokeos, ultimately comes down to personal preferences. In general Dokeos is more Blackboard-like, and I know several institutions who choose Dokeos because of the lower learning curve, having used Blackboard before.

      Also worth noting is another free software package, a project funded by the (Mark) Shuttleworth Foundation: SchoolTool (schooltool.org), including SchoolBell. It's not an e-learning and course management web application, but rather a school infrastructure administration tool.

    2. Re:Where's Moodle? by Flambergius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Moodle is used by around 21000 organizations (URL:http://moodle.org/stats) while Dokeos main page reports "over 1000". Number of users (students or organizations) is of course not an clear indicator of how good the systems are, but it most definitely is the indicator of success.

      There are many worthy Open Source tools and systems for education. Some of them probably technically better than Moodle (I work with Moodle daily), but in terms of success I don't know anything that can be mentioned in the same sentience. For example, the much heralded Sakai is used by some tens organizations ("over 70" according to the Sakai Wikipedia page).

      Some of my favorites:
      Elgg, http://www.elgg.org/
      LAMS, http://www.lamsinternational.com/
      DSpace, http://www.dspace.org/

      Btw, I fail to see how my original post merits a Flamebait, Score: 0. Its strongly worded, sure, but it is my honest assessment of the article linked to. The assessment is based on a single issue, I'll grant even that, but it is still correct. If you don't know enough about Open Source in education to know to include Moodle into your list of successes in that field then you don't know enough to write an article about Open Source in education.

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    3. Re:Where's Moodle? by quixote9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I second the question. Serious omission not listing Moodle. I've used it in classes, as well as WebCt. I know other profs who've used Moodle, Blackboard, and WebCT.

      Blackboard was recently bought by WebCT. The license to use WebCt runs into the tens of thousands of dollars. Blackboard (not so much WebCT) had some very attractive ease-of-use features not found in Moodle (or WebCT at the time), but I can't say they were $60,000 per year better than Moodle.

      Several comparisons of the main packages are available. Graf and List (2005) is an academic paper comparing nine different ones and is perhaps the most comprehensive. (2005 was a long time ago, in software time, so some of the comparisons might be different now.) They find that Moodle edges out the whole field.

      At that point Sakai was just starting. Sakai is a well-funded effort at the Ivy League level to reinvent the wheel, which they're doing well, but at a licensing cost of thousands of dollars to universities. (Free to individuals, I believe.)

      Munoz and Duzer (2005) at Cal State Univ. - Humboldt, compare Blackboard and Moodle, where Moodle also wins.

      And for that matter, Ask Slashdot did a post on alternatives to Blackboard in 2005. Again, Moodle (and Blackboard) have come a long way since then, so comments may or may not be justified.

      All the more recent, less formal evidence, suggests that Moodle has been pulling ahead, not falling behind.

      http://moodle.org/ is a huge site with enough resources to drown a battleship. One of the interesting corners is a map showing where most of the thousands of moodle sites worldwide are located.

    4. Re:Where's Moodle? by Jaegs · · Score: 1
      I too believe that Moodle should be included; however, there are some issues in your post I'd like to address:

      Blackboard was recently bought by WebCT.

      Actually, it was the other way around, though they officially refer to it as a merger.

      Blackboard (not so much WebCT) had some very attractive ease-of-use features not found in Moodle (or WebCT at the time), but I can't say they were $60,000 per year better than Moodle.

      While Moodle is very feature-rich--we use it in a limited fashion on our campus--the easy thing to forget here is what that additional $60,000 (far less at our institution) gets you: 24/7 support. While I am a huge support of OSS and encourage the use of it on campus, the LMS/CMS is mission critical: if something breaks, the universities mission is hampered; ergo, we cannot afford downtime.

      For Moodle, there is not a group of people I can call at 2:00 AM in the morning to fix something. And for $60,000, I cannot afford to hire the staff to do this, so financially, it makes sense to go commercial.

      That's not to say that OSS precludes this. There are a number of companies that provide support OSS (Unicon comes to mind). Our concern with them, though, is that they do not "own" the product. If the product goes in one direction, but the company prefers another, what happens? A branch/spin off?

      What if development on the product stops--as has happened with some OSS projects? With a commercial product, we have a contract that the company will continue to support the product until the end of the contract. Again, this is another benefit the $60,000 buys us: stability.

      So to wrap up, I think Moodle is great and is definitely one of many success stories of OSS, but there are benefits with going commercial as well. In fact, we are in an LMS RFP process right now and discussed that very issue, and it really came down to a support and stability issue for us. That being the case, we decided to only look at commercial products, but have recommended that a thorough feasibility study be performed to see if our system can support an OSS LMS in the future.
    5. Re:Where's Moodle? by Sandcastle · · Score: 1
      You have a few options if you want 24/7 commercial support for Moodle. They have a "Moodle Partner" program specifically for this reason.

      partners list

      "What if development stops"? Well, if it's a commercial product you probably have support still, but no new features, and no where to go but migrate to a new provider. If it's GPL, then you still have support options (as shown above), in fact more options that commercial often, can support it yourself if you decide to, can take on development yourself or wait until someone continues the project... or worst case migrate, but as your content is in an open format (not the encrypted db blackboard had when I last dealt with it) it is likely to be an easier process.

      I'm sure you know all of this, having entered into a RFP, but others may not.

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      The fact that a fish swims in water does not make it an expert in fluid dynamics. GogglesPisano (199483)
    6. Re:Where's Moodle? by quixote9 · · Score: 1

      Sandcastle took the words out of my mouth in reply to the comment re Moodle support. Even without going to the formal Moodle Partners program, moodle has very active forums with some knowledgeable people participating. If you need an answer instantly, then, no, you probably won't get it. It usually takes between a few hours to a couple of days. In my experience, that's the best you can hope for from commercial tech support, too, but maybe others have better luck.

      The other question I've had is why, if a university is prepared to spend several tens of thousands on course software, don't they hire a dedicated IT person to support Moodle instead? Most of the ones I know get paid a lot less than 60,000. Anybody out there have experience with a college which has tried something like that?

  5. Thank You! by 7bit · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Thank you for posting this story!

    I wasn't aware of the "Open Courseware Consortium" before this. My next few years will probably be spent exploring and learning/ relearning from this resource!

    Not only will people in the workforce be able to even more easily explore and research areas of interest and value to them from home at night to help them further their developement, but kids of any age capable of using it and having a library card will be able to further themselves and prepare for college/SAT as far in advance as they are capable and whether or not they have a computer at home. Thus improving their ability to obtain grants and scholarships when the time comes.

    This sort of thing seems as fundemental an accomplishment as the establishment of the Public Library. Lets make sure both remain, as there are those trying to revoke all funding for Public libraries.

  6. idk? by mastershake_phd · · Score: 1

    I dont know how open source is it?

  7. Re:No change at all but one. by pipatron · · Score: 1, Funny

    Yeah! Dang those evil communist programmers that program for FREE. I say we ban everyone from doing anything without charging someone for it.

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  8. Re:No change at all but one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are plenty of free programs whose source code is not available.

    That is what "open source" *means*: that the source code is available not merely the object code.

    "programing for free" is also an irrelevant comment. For there are also plenty of programers working on open source projects who are paid, and sometimes very handsomely, indeed. And why not? Should programers, unlike people in other lines of work, drink water and eat carpet fluff?

  9. Addison Wesley & Pearson = Microsoft of Educat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Addison Wesley and the parent megacorporation Pearson Education is the Microsoft of education. This article is about the use of open standards in Higher Ed, but AW makes their bucks by selling content in a variety of non-interoperable standards that serves to confuse the marketplace. They're out to make a buck so they'll really sell you anything you want, in whatever format you want: you just have to DEMAND IT. I did and it worked. They've used technology as a way to lock their customers in (myself included) with a particular book. Wanna do the homework? Well, buy the book, give them your details and subscribe to their own variant of Black Board or some other tech product that may or may not work as advertised. E-Books? What are they?

    I suppose that's my point. Addison Wesley has a MONOPOLY over college and university textbooks here in America. Now they're trying to sell this dumbed-down, very expensive kind of education content around the world and unbalance the education systems of many countries.

    We need to SERIOUSLY think about the large educational publishers and how they use technology to enable lazy teachers and lock customers into particular products in much the same way that Microsoft uses Office and Windows. Wiley is no better. And hey, every semester is an AUTOMATIC UPGRADE CYCLE. Think about it.

  10. Sakai Project by Hobbo · · Score: 2, Interesting
    OK, so we've already had Moodle posted as another success story of Opensource in Education, so it's only right that the Sakai Project gets a mention as another big winner. Not only is it used widely in Higher Education, it is gaining admiration and suport from the commercial sector, as Thomson's adoption of the opensource collaboration and learning environment goes to show. From the recent press release:

    Thomson Learning will work closely with the Sakai team and other commercial affiliates, including Unicon, to continue the overall effort to keep the open source models vibrant. The commitment to provide ongoing contributions to the Sakai Foundation in a number of methods, including software contributions and open standards support, is essential to this partnership.


    1. Re:Sakai Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, we've been using it at our university this semester and the only experiences we've really had with it are horrible. Our previous system, written single-handedly by a former student, was much much better. So I certainly won't consider Sakai a `success story' until such a time as I see it actually succeed in the sense of working as it should.

    2. Re:Sakai Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Sakai project is WONDERFUL, but it's rather large and complex. The implication is that it will generally be installed and maintained only by a central I.T. department:

      Translation: another bureaucracy subject to all the altruistic concerns of bureaucracies; self-preservation, integration with legacy systems, bumming free lunches off random salespeople, preserving the profits of book publishers,and so on.

      So, that's the uneconomy of scale. It works for bureaucracies, but does it work for educators? By contrast, Moodle is so simple to set up on a departmental P3 or laptop that every instructor or TA can do so, and have complete control with absolutely minimal fuss. If this is too "advanced" then it should be a homework assignment or entrance exam for every tech undergrad, and a damn fine way for them to share their skills with the community.

      Hopefully, this practice continues beyond their stay in college, and into the wider community.

      I run Moodle on my mac laptop. I own the content and can do with it as I please. It's "Free as in Freedom."

      As for a book publisher supporting The Sakai Project, please read the translation of their statement:

      "We are supporting the Open Source Sakai Project as a platform on which to sell our commercial content."

      Didn't this publisher produce a book called "To Serve Man," or was that someone else?

  11. since the information it contains is unreliable. by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    And everything your teachers told you was true?
    Just look at something like chemistry or physics, when you leave one school to go to a higher one they practically tell you to forget everything you've learned up until that point as it was not accurate.

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  12. Re: and Google (?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The Online Education Database also lists Project Gutenberg, Wikipedia, Linux, Firefox, and Google (?) as some of the other open source in education success stories

    I would like to add my penis to the list. I've educated many girls with it, and it also has open sores, so I think it should be included.

  13. Re:No change at all but one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    People won't pay for services either:its too dam expensive

    This comment will come as a complete surprise to Redhat, Novell, IBM, MySQL and the other Open Source companies who are doing a nice turnover with support contracts.

  14. Re: Wikipedia's information is unreliable by residents_parking · · Score: 1

    And you prefer ignorance?

  15. What about Edubuntu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I installed it at a students club with LTSP and I was very impressed with it, even more than with Ubuntu. I can't wait to see the 7.04 with ActiveDirectory integrated.

  16. wikis (lower case) in education. by Average · · Score: 1

    Another important contribution of Wikipedia has been to beat down MediaWiki as a pretty powerful program for educational uses, as well as inspire other wiki software.

    Savvy teachers in wired schools are finding a lot of success with smaller classroom wikis. The students aren't generating "new" content, really, but are building a repository of what they've learned together. I've seen good examples of building history timelines or evolutionary hierarchies, or foreign-language dictionaries (each student adds some examples of a word in a sentence).

  17. The cirricula, yes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but just like in college, you still shell out for the text books (unless you want to piece together all the information from other sources), have to track down old articles in scholarly journals for readings (something which is difficult without either already being a student at a university or having a topnotch library system) and get distracted (hopefully) by your social life. Sounds like university without the support structure, resources and on top of that not being able to ogle nubile young coeds.

  18. Re:No change at all but one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just don't understand how you are modded insightful when you fail to understand the differences between PEOPLE and ENTERPRISES.
    yeah, enterprises will pay for support, people won't....

  19. Re:The Holy War: Mac vs. DOS by Stooshie · · Score: 1

    Whereas we "*nix" users are the athiests. :-)

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  20. Re:No change at all but one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's that got to do with it? You don't seriously think companies like Microsoft or Adobe are making their millions from individual purchases do you? The money is in enterprise and large scale deployments. It always has been this way and it always will be this way.

    I guess I am replying to a person who thinks that an ellipses is a valid replacement for normal punctuation, so I shouldn't be all that surprised you don't understand something as simple as the IT market.

  21. Manhattan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Manhattan Virtual Classroom at http://manhattan.sf.net is a GPL'd Course Management System that's been available since 2002. Probably one of the simplest interfaces out there, and very stable and well documented.

  22. for the dutch.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there's a lot on university and open software on http://twoss.wordpress.com/

  23. Re:No change at all but one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask yourself why it is impossible to sell software that is not a game (and even that is hard) to the end user then.
    There is a difference between understanding the IT market and happily accepting the trend.
    It was already difficult before 'open source' came in the balance.
    I just say it is now 'impossible' because of how software is now perceived by the end users.

  24. Re: Wikipeida's success by Lobais · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, I think Wikipeida's success is rather proven. Just look at the google trafic: http://www.google.com/trends?q=wikipedia
    And the reliability studies show that Wikipedia is just about as reliable as Britannica: http://news.com.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html
    Furthermore it puts light on the fact, that you always have to cross test your informations, no matter the source.

    How can that not be success?

  25. Re:No change at all but one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it was difficult before and is now simply impossible, that's the market at work. It was clearly a bad business plan, and direct sales models clearly deserved to fail. You seem very bitter about this. Have you considered the possibility that you are a third rate developer whos time has come? Have you considered the exciting possibilities of a career with McDonalds? People will always want hamburgers.

  26. Globaltext Project by emotionus · · Score: 1

    While trying to think of alternatives to reducing text book costs, I remembered I had heard about a project spear headed by UGA and now, the University of Denver (http://globaltext.org/index.html). While this project is geared towards the developing world, in talking with Dr. Rick Watson, that is for two reasons: Their need is even greater than ours and with a focus on competing in the United States, it may provoke American publishing companies. It has been featured on Slashdot before.

    Educational institutions would help to provide content. Interestingly, through the way the project works all involvement with the project will result in a two-way transference of knowledge. Those in the Global South who use the project will also contribute, thus encouraging a global perspective on the content. So while American's may be providing the initial content, as that content is used Americans will also be receiving new content to learn from as well. Students, will have new sources of knowledge that is without precedent.

    About the Project:

    The project has a $200,000 initial grant from the Jacobs Foundation (http://www.jacobsfoundation.org/). The project is also very active. The first prototype book was written by a graduate class at UGA on XML programming. Dr. Rick Watson served as Editor in Chief of the book. The project is trying to release 10 books this year, with the first two being on business fundamentals and Information Systems. The goal of the project is to provide textbooks that would be used in the first two years of undergraduate study. Although, Dr. Watson told me over the phone that any content is appreciated, even upper level. The books are written with customized wiki software (Wiki software was put in the spotlight by Wikipedia). Each chapter has an editor / contributor and each book has an Editor in Chief. Academics will serve as editors to ensure the content is "textbook quality". There is also plans to start a Journal to give academics who help in the project a venue to publish articles that focus on the content and the experience in distributed document communities.

    Books will be translated into Arabic, Chinese and Spanish. Dr. Watson is going to Egypt in a couple weeks to talk to a University there about how they can help with translation into Arabic. He is also planning a trip to China to do the same. As part of the grant from the Jacobs Foundation, the Global Text Project has created an International Advisory Board as well as a Quality Assurance Board.

  27. Slashvertising? by Kazrael · · Score: 1
    From TFA:

    The entire catalogue of information from 1,800 courses at the prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) will be available free online by the end of the year. Once uploaded, it will represent one of the internet's most important resources.

    It might come in handy, but this claim is completely out there. It sounds like someone is tooting their own horn a little too loudly. That's like saying, my new search engine ${name here} will have great impact on how we do searching today.
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  28. Open source education could be so much more! by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Being a college instructor, I think about this sort of thing all the time: If there were an interactive multimedia project to capture the content of a college course onto a DVD, and I could help with this in some way, I most certainly would.

    What I'm picturing is this: Some benefactor, perhaps a national government somewhere, pays a group of programmers, artists and professors to produce an open source college course on (say) mechanics. On the DVD is an interactive textbook with hyperlinks for people who need further explanation, but there's also video of a series of lectures and demonstrations. Then there is an interactive element that simulates (albeit abstractly) the common lab experiments that are embedded in a 3D virtual environment and really responds to students' input. Finally, there would be many pactice problems that the program could grade and explain immediately. Step by step. Bayesian algorithms could diagnose students' problems and try to correct them.

    We have the technology and the brainpower to do all this now, and if we did it, the education one would get from a disk like this would be better than today's typical online course. The point of it would be, of course, that this would be a supplement in a real course where you have access to a professor to ask questions, and hopefully even get some experience in a real lab. But I have no doubt that a well-designed inteactive DVD like this would by itself do an excellent job in teaching you the material. And once it was made, it would only need occasional updates. After all, mechanics doesn't change that much. Of course, interactive applications constantly get better, so these could be improved on each year, and any physics professor in the world could submit exercises. There would even be a mechanism for profs to merge in their own exercises and make a custom DVD just for their students, so long as they abided by the open source license.

    But most importantly, owning this DVD would cost students $0.20, the cost of the media. They wouldn't have to wait until college to start learning from it. They wouldn't need to be near a university. They could go at their own pace. They could localize the material to their native language. If they don't have internet at home, they could ask their library to burn the DVD for them and pay them $1 for the media and labor. If they did have the internet, they could discuss the problems together on a volunteer-moderated discussion forum. That sounds to me like a whole lot of education for the price of one well-designed DVD. It's absolutely crucial that this be open source. Sure these things would sell, but then they'd just be one textbook among others. Only if they were arbitrarily tradable, burnable and alterable would they become the gold standard, and then volunteers would make them awesome. That's not to say that whoever made them would have to be poor. There could be some sort of a foundation that might sell extra services, provide paid support ot universities, etc. This thing might not need public funding at all, just a big initial investment. (Of course it wouldn't be just one course...). And don't underestimate the willingness of competent volunteers to help with this. I can tell you I work my ass off to publish journal articles for the benefit of my fellow researchers, and I get paid nothing (except prestige). I've also reviewed articles for journals. Again, I got paid nothing for this. In academics, high-level volunteer work is par for the course. I think it would be a pretty desireable line on a vita that you were invited by the responsible foundation to serve as an editor and review contributions for the (say) interactive history of WWI DVD course. If this were as big as I'm sure it would be, top profs would be fighting to volunteer, including me (though I'm no top prof).

    So because I can picture very easily this sort of thing, and I don't see it happening, I think that open source is failing in education. What's succeeding right now are agressive book publishers that keep pimping glossy desk copies of their textbooks without telling me that for a crappy b/w paperback, my students will pay $90. That's seriously fucked up. Education is crying out for open source!

    1. Re:Open source education could be so much more! by A*Seer_in-hiding · · Score: 1

      I think that is what Curriki is doing. http://www.curriki.org/ Except that the courses don't have to be on DVD. They are also concentrating on K-12 at this time. You still might want to take a look. They are specifically trying to replace text books with open source multimedia lessons. Please consider becoming a contributing member.

    2. Re:Open source education could be so much more! by RoloDMonkey · · Score: 1

      You might want to take a look at these projects:

      Wikibooks
      Wikiversity

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    3. Re:Open source education could be so much more! by morgret · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're right about "tradable, burnable and alterable". Currently there are learning materials that have the distinction called "open" and are meant for use and even re-use by everyone. A new site, OER Commons, http://www.oercommons.org/, aims to impact teaching and learning with an open source network of open resource pointers, social networking, and collaborative spaces to bring people together with open materials. Some materials carry a Creative Commons license, and you can search on the type of license at this site, while others have custom licensing agreements, so that items for adapting, translating, re-using are apparent. The goal is to have teachers and learners at all grade levels and across disciplines add their own experiences and join in the process of continual improvement and enhancement of resources. One example you mention is updating a science course by adding a cool simulation -- this is just what the site is meant for, plus tags, ratings, reviews, discussions, and more open source tools for teaching and learning.

  29. Moodle is GPL by Marcus+Green · · Score: 1

    Fairly important to be aware that Moodle is GPL, written in PHP and mainly uses PHP but also can use Postgresql. I have used both Blackboard and Moodle and even discounting the significant price difference (grins), I much much prefer Moodle.

    1. Re:Moodle is GPL by quixote9 · · Score: 1

      Yes, indeed. And, since it's written in php, anyone who knows php can--and does--write scripts to do new or improved modules every day. (Or not so improved, as the case may be.)

  30. Re:No change at all but one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't know me but assumes I live from selling software...funny....
    No I don't, I am in consulting because I know sales of software was doomed for the developper in the consummer market the very first day I put my first pirated game in my brand new C64.
    I still think it is sad that the producer of something cannot decide how its work will be exploited just because it is not physical...
    And I am not even talking about copyright or anything else.
    Just:you don't want to pay, then don't use my work....

  31. One Laptop Per Child by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No-one's mentioned it yet, but most of the successes here, can be used by the One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project as well. When free textbooks are written by students, they can be shared, and OLPC will have the infrastructure to do the sharing.

    What's needed is a slashdot or google style moderation system so that the best percolates to the top and replaces the not so good. Meta-wiki anyone?

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  32. Re: Wikipeida's success by Bemopolis · · Score: 1

    Parent is correct. And as a man known for his Wikipedia-esque intelligence once said, "You forgot about Poland!"

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  33. books by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    See my sig for a catalog of free books (books that have intentionally been set free by their authors, not old public domain ones like Project Gutenberg collects). Some professors at MIT write textbooks and put them up for free on their OCW pages, which is great. However, I've noticed that a lot of these tend to evaporate quickly. I have a feature in my catalog's web interface where users can click on a button to report that a link is broken. A lot of the time when this happens, I find that it was a link to an OCW page, which has disappeared, and google searching doesn't show the book existing at any new home, either. Maybe that professor didn't get tenure, and left, or maybe he got a publishing contract, and his publisher wouldn't let him keep the book on the web for free. As with software, this is always a concern with any book that isn't under a copyleft license; it can become unfree at any time. In general, I like the spirit of OCW, but I think it gets hyped waaay out of proportion to what it actually is. Having access to a professor's web page isn't unusual; it's the norm. And having access to professors' web pages isn't the same as getting a free college education.

    1. Re:books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ben, Thank you for your generosity and the material you make available at your website.

      It's unfortunately true that books and software projects sometimes "go away" for reasons of neglect or commercialization. Hopefully a community will grow around open source education and licensing will improve so that works can be "forked" just as with software, to avoid evaporation.

      As for access to professors' web pages not being the same as a free college education, you are talking to a mostly self-educated crowd (people who often found lectures boring) whereas the general public is offered "training", rather than education.

      Training is for dogs. Businesses and I.T. technocrats are still enamored with "certificate collectors" who are deep into a specialty or particular product, but don't have the broader skills to communicate ideas or to solve unexpected problems. ( which is probably a reflection of their own inabilities)

      People need education. But since not everyone is a self-learner, that's a call for more involvement, and the growth of a real teaching community.

      One hope of open education is that education itself will cease to be an "industry" and/or saturated with politics and bureaucracy. So, everyone grab your LIVE CD's, get out there and share your knowledge.

  34. Reply:Open Source? Who do you work for ...? by OldHawk777 · · Score: 1

    Do you only squat-on and post-to "/.", and who financially donates to your living standard.

    Over the past year alone there has been many postings of articles, comments, and URL/Links related to Wikipedia, Google, Novel, Edu content and resources, OSS developers ... on "/.".

    I am perplexed that anyone who keeps up with current technology events on /., 2600, Wired, Technology Review, San Jose Mercury a/o ... would not consider your questions as having the intent to fain ignorance with obvious prevarication to obfuscate a disingenuous self-serving marketeer (musketeer like) agenda to churn-turn serious discussion away from this topic/subject.

    The facts are FSF/GPL/GNU, Linux, OSS, Open Standards, Open Content, Open Courseware, Open Knowledge Initiative, Open Biz-Models, Open Market Architecture, Open Government ... are having a significant impact on education, business, global markets, governments ....

    MicroSoft (MS) is big and strong, but their growth is limited in this new vibrant and developing Open-World-Market. MS needs to open up or in another 20 to 30 years they will close up, just like many others corporations in the past that forgot to be inclusive and behaved as exclusive from new disruptive market dynamics.

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  35. Citizendium a success ?? That is rich by GerardM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hoi,
    Given that Citizendium is not available for public viewing, it is inappropriate to list it as a relevant resource. When it gets its first public airing, there will be only some 1000 articles. This is hardly going to make an effect. There are many other public wikis that provide a resource that is certainly more relevant at this time for education; Wikieducator comes to mind.

    The only thing that we have heard from Dr Sanger is his insistence that it is going to do better.

    Thanks,
            GerardM

  36. What is E-learning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    E-learning' is teaching and learning that are delivered, supported, and enhanced through the use of digital technologies and media. People often conufse with mere downloading of materials to e-learning. Moodle, Sakai are plaforms use to prepare and deliver these materials. But most of the MIT OCW material is mere 'downloadable' materials. It has it's own value, but it's not truly a e-learning. Please see some useful links given below.
    http://sashikumar.n.googlepages.com/LearningManage mentSystems.ppt http://tel.cedt.iisc.ernet.in/moodle/mod/resource/ index.php?id=1

  37. Open Knowledge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The power to free the knowledge of the world is within the people. The Open Source movement has shown us the way. People just have to do it. We already have a good start with wiki and for more technical stuff we have a more author centric model, but still under the gnu fdl

    PlanetMath, http://planetmath.org/
    PlanetPhysics, http://planetphysics.org/

  38. MIT's program is NOT open source by ciaran.mchale · · Score: 2, Informative
    MIT's Open CourseWare program is not "open source" in the sense that the free/libre/open-source software community understands the term. In particular, MIT's courses are made available under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.5 license (http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Global/terms-of-use.htm ), which is not an open-source license.

    To put this in practical terms, most of MIT's courseware is written using, say, PowerPoint and a word processor. MIT does not make the "source" (PowerPoint and wordprocessor) files available for download. Instead, MIT makes the courseware available in PDF format, which means that you can use the courseware material "as is" but cannot modify it. Also, the license forbids you from making money from the courseware. The inability to modify the "source" and the inability to commercially exploit the courseware mean that it is not open source.

    I am not saying that what MIT is doing is bad; far from it. I just want to point out that, despite the impression given by the title of MIT's program, it is not open source.

  39. Re: Wikipeida's success by koreaman · · Score: 1

    That's exactly the point: it's only as accurate (and as complete) as the Encyclopedia Britannica.

    The Encyclopedia Britannica should never be cited in real research; neither should Wikipedia.

  40. Wikipedia by anglozaxxon · · Score: 0

    I'm kind of pissed at the flack people give us students for using Wikipedia. Right now, I'm taking a class on game programming. On every lecture's slides, he sources wikipedia.org. Thanks; I like paying $500 to read (poorly) regurgitated wikipedia articles.

  41. OpenCourseWare by Suriken · · Score: 1

    MIT's OpenCourseWare has been amazing for myself.
    Having taken a few courses on philosophy, poitics and western literature, I have learnt as much (or more) than I have been in my concurrently enrolled university lectures.

    Having chosen to do law and commerce didn't do much for my love of philosophy, so I decided to, (rather than a triple-degree) study a few philosophy courses on OpenCourseWare in my spare time.
    I find out, when talking to a friend of mine who did philosophy, that some of the courses are so similar (in the case of one in particular - even sharing prescribed readings and similar class topics) that I am glad I didn't waste more time and more money when I can learn the same thing for free!

    I have yet to try the business courses offered there, but could this be another reason of entrepreneurs to condemn the MBA?

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  42. Re: Wikipeida's success by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 1

    And the reliability studies show that Wikipedia is just about as reliable as Britannica: http://news.com.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html Yeah, but how reliable is that reliability study? I mean, c'mon, news.com.com? Their domain name doesn't even make sense, and we're supposed to trust their data?
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  43. Re: Wikipeida's success by jc42 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but how reliable is that reliability study? I mean, c'mon, news.com.com? Their domain name doesn't even make sense, and we're supposed to trust their data?

    Interesting comment, considering that you posted it on a site called "slashdot.org". ;-)

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