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RIAA Sues Stroke Victim in Michigan

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "The RIAA has now brought suit against a stroke victim in Michigan in Warner v. Paladuk. The defendant John Paladuk was living in Florida at the time of the alleged copyright infringement, and had notified the RIAA that he had not engaged in any copyright infringement. Despite the fact that Mr. Paladuk suffered a stroke last year (pdf), rendering him disabled, the RIAA commenced suit against him on February 27, 2007. Suing the disabled is not new to the RIAA. Both Atlantic v. Andersen in Oregon and Elektra v. Schwartz in New York were suits brought against disabled people who have never engaged in file sharing, and whose sole income is Social Security Disability. Both of these cases are still pending. The local Michigan lawyer being used by the RIAA in the Paladuk case is the same lawyer who was accused by a 15 year old girl of telling her what to say at her deposition in Motown v. Nelson. In the Warner v. Scantlebury case, after the defendant died during the lawsuit, the same lawyer indicated to the court that he was going to give the family '60 days to grieve' before he would start deposing the late Mr. Scantlebury's children."

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  1. And of course by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We all know the ill and disable are pure of heart, love their moms and are made of kitten whiskers. Slashdot is getting seriously pathetic trotting out extremist nonsense like this.

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    1. Re:And of course by tsa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Who modded this flamebait? Disabled people can be criminals too you know.

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    2. Re:And of course by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This isn't the first time Slashdot has been a tool to rally the rightous. It won't be the last. Let the kids have their fun...

      And yes, Disabled people could do thing wrong. The objection is that they are on limited income and probably don't have the ability to defend themselves or pay the settlment. Also, people with disabilities are often seen as needing special exceptions. So take it for what it is worth. It does show how low RIAA will go but then again it reflects more on what society values or more likely, how society values the crap RIAA is producing. It is worth having it is it free but not worth it if you have to pay!

    3. Re:And of course by tsa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The guy being disabled should make no difference whatsoever to the case. It just has nothing to do with it. The fact that he is disabled should not make a difference in the outcome of the trial. And BTW, I agree with you that the RIAA are moronic retarded greedy bastards etc. I wonder if they have to pay the legal costs of the defendants when they lose cases like this.

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    4. Re:And of course by Faylone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In a word, greed.

    5. Re:And of course by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Informative

      As someone who speaks to the victims of the RIAA lawsuits on a daily basis, I can definitely say that this stuff causes extreme anxiety and stress, and I'm sure it has contributed to depression and even to deaths.

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    6. Re:And of course by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What utter bullshit. If it's not worth paying for, it's not worth having.
      OK, So the wording was wrong. it isn't worth having for the price they want to charge. And technicly, some of it is bearly worth having if the cost was free.

      Your stance is, of course, the first step in the line of the "I want it free" crowd.
      It may be. But don't automaticly assume the intention behind words are one way becuase someone else has said them. You get the music from several sources with little to no money out of your pocket. It is in essence free to you when you listen to it in the radio or watch the video on TV. You get it for very cheap when you goto a concert, dance club or do what I like to do and watch local bands at the bar-festival-where ever play the same songs. It isn't that I want it free, It is that I don't see the value the record companies place on it.

      Since it's "not worth paying for", force people to give it to you or rip them off , because heaven forbid those that don't feel it's worth paying for actually develop the ballocks to not buy it.
      I can record a radio broadcast and listen to it without paying for or the 13 songs I don't like. I can do this for reletivly cheap. And I am never advocating ripping anyone off. This is another one of your assumptions that are wrong. If it is on the radio, it is free to me, it is worth having. If it cost me 20 bucks to listen to the next 20 songs over and over again, I'm turning the radio off. And personaly, I'm starting to see a reason to pirate music just so i can rebel against uptight asses like you.
  2. Evil much by zeroharmada · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is times like this that I wish America would switch over to a system where blank media is taxed and they don't prosecute piracy. Sure it might stretch the bottom line for the Mafiaa, but wouldn't it be beneficial to society at large? Hopefully in a decade or so it will be a big enough hot-button topic to spur actual political change. Until then keep it up RIAA... if you stop being the stereotypical evil corporation all we will have left to overthrow when the revolution comes is Microsoft :-)

    1. Re:Evil much by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I should totally be taxed on something I intend to store family photos on or backup my legally purchased digital downloads on and that profit should go right to the RIAA and MPAA and BSA who have nothing to do with the medium and content I'm placing on it.

    2. Re:Evil much by mpe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why not? People without children pay taxes to run elementary schools. People without cars pay taxes to build roads. Living in a civilized society means sometimes making sacrifices for the benefit of the group as a whole.

      The difference is that there are credible arguments for education and road building being of help to society as a whole. Thus it is perfectly possible that people without children may derive a benefit from everyone being given a basic education and people without cars may derive a benefit from the existance of roads.
      The difference is that there are a lot fewer aguments in favour of supporting an obsolete business model. At least from the point of view of society as a whole.

    3. Re:Evil much by schizoid4 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Let me get this straight: you hate the RIAA, so you want to tax me and give my money to the RIAA? Could you please stop hating the RIAA and hate me instead?

    4. Re:Evil much by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But since the AHRA is so rarely applicable due to all of the conditions that go with it (it only works if you use certain, uncommon, media or devices, and only for certain types of works, and only for one type of infringement) that virtually no one is ever shielded by it. It's just not that much good in the modern real world.

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  3. And that matters why? by koreth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Having a stroke and/or receiving disability payments renders one incapable of copyright infringement? Does the BitTorrent client refuse to install if it detects a Social Security check in the vicinity?

    Being disabled isn't evidence of innocence, unless the disability is such that one is incapable of even using a computer. If the guy broke the law, he broke the law. I happen to think the law sucks and needs to be changed post haste, but it sucks for everyone, not just stroke victims and the handicapped.

    In short, the RIAA is as within its rights here as it is in any of its other cases.

    1. Re:And that matters why? by synjck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i generally agree that disability, to a certain degree, does not exempt one from guilt in these cases.

      check out that lawyer, though. ten bucks says he's on the naughty list.

    2. Re:And that matters why? by CompMD · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I know this because this is slashdot, people rarely actually RTFA, but come on and RTF post at least.

      "...suits brought against disabled people who have never engaged in file sharing..."

      and then RTFA, the guy in this case is half paralyzed, do you think he is spending a lot of time sitting at his computer downloading Christina Aguilera or something? There needs to be a preponderance of evidence in order to proceed with a case. So far you have a guy who probably can't use the bathroom himself who didn't live in the state in which he is accused of committing infringement. Where's that preponderance of incriminating evidence?

      "Evidence of innocence" is pure idiocy, and contrary to the tenets of the judicial system. It is NOT this man's burden to prove his innocence, it is the RIAA's burden to prove him guilty.

      Heh, and the captcha for this is "falsify."

    3. Re:And that matters why? by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Evidence of innocence" is pure idiocy, and contrary to the tenets of the judicial system. It is NOT this man's burden to prove his innocence, it is the RIAA's burden to prove him guilty.
      This is not a criminal case and the RIAA are not prosecuting him: they are suing him and the standard is "the balance of probabilities (BOP) also known as the "preponderance of evidence." So, it is up to him to prove his "innocence".
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    4. Re:And that matters why? by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh, so the story here isn't that a stroke victom is being sued for copyright infringment, It is that he was being sued for copyright infringment that supposedly happened in a state were he wasn't at and because of his disability and limited income doesn't have the means to go there and defend himself?

    5. Re:And that matters why? by Jekler · · Score: 2, Informative

      They're not claiming he pirated music AFTER he had the stroke. The fact that he had a stroke and his alleged pirating could be completely unrelated.

      I don't believe pirating music should be illegal or a civil offense, but I take the laws as they're given to me, and the disabled are not exempt from them.

    6. Re:And that matters why? by devnulljapan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course, this guy's main crime is being poor. If OTOH he was a highly paid CEO, his disability would have automatically disqualify him from legal problems just like this lady.

    7. Re:And that matters why? by Kierthos · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are correct in that a civil trial uses "preponderance of evidence" rather then "beyond a reasonable doubt", which is the burden in criminal trials.

      However, it is still the burden of the RIAA to prove him civilly liable. It is assumed that the defendant is innocent of any charges leveled against him in a court of law. Not just a court of criminal law, but civil law as well.

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    8. Re:And that matters why? by PhotoGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and then RTFA, the guy in this case is half paralyzed, do you think he is spending a lot of time sitting at his computer downloading Christina Aguilera or something?

      Ummmmm, the guy is housebound? Do you think he'd do more playing, downloading, etc, on the computer, or less, than the person who has a full time job, kids, goes to the gym, etc., etc.? Of course he probably uses the computer more, as a great outlet considering his disability.

      And while I disagree with current fair use policies, and movie pricing schemes, etc., I don't see any reason why a disability should be an exemption from any of the rules of society (other than parking in handicapped spaces).

      Yes, there is an instinctive "let's show some compassion and cut this poor bugger some slack" reaction, but until something like that is actually written into a law, one can't fault any organization (who likely wasn't even aware of his problem) for treating him as shittily as they treat the rest of the population. The fact they treat the rest of the population so shitty, is the problem.

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  4. How Long... by FiniteElementalist · · Score: 4, Funny

    How long until they start suing dead people? ... They haven't sued dead people, have they?

  5. stroke me, stroke me by User+956 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The RIAA has now brought suit against a stroke victim in Michigan in Warner v. Paladuk.

    And by "stroke victim", they don't mean someone with a medical condition. That's just what they call someone who gets caught downloading a Billy Squier album.

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  6. you know... by defy+god · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've read articles where the RIAA have sued a person who had no computer. Even then, they don't get as much sympathy as someone who has a disability.

    What I really want to see is the RIAA sue someone that is deaf (and MPAA sue someone that is blind). If reported properly, then maybe the general public will finally realize how stupid all these lawsuits are. Instead of being outraged by a nipple on TV, we (the collective we, as a nation) can rise against something that is worth it.

    I know it's a slimeball move to exploit someone with a disability, but if they were to be sued, I'm sure they'd love to go after the MAFIAA as well. You have to fight slimeball moves with slimeball moves.

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  7. Straight to hell huh by pembo13 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Satan must be a pirate too, cause these guys seem to be trying to get an express ticket to his crib.

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  8. The "RIAA" by twilight13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The more I hear "RIAA" the more I wonder what it's really for. It seems like whenever stuff like this happens, we say the RIAA is suing a stroke victim. The RIAA sues dead people. It seems like the RIAA is doing a great job redirecting all of the bad press for this campaign. To me it looks like Warner is suing this guy, not the RIAA. Let's at least identify who is calling the shots here. Maybe if more people heard about Warner's actions, they would buy CDs from other record labels. (Yes, I know other labels sue people just as much, but it'd be nice if there was some bad press to come with stuff like suing disabled people.)

    1. Re:The "RIAA" by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      RIAA's job is to create a smoke screen. It is to hide the artist getting screwed by record companies. It wouldn't be too far out there to think they would be protecting the image of the recording companies.

      Artist:"why am in not getting a bunch of money?"
      Record industry: "because everyone is downloading your songs without paying for them instead of buying the CD!"
      Artist: "Are you doing anything about it?"
      Record industry:"Sure, we are going after them thru RIAA.".

      And then the record company laughs before depositing all their profits, They pause to light their cigars with burning 100 dollar bills.

  9. Ob Simpsons by prakslash · · Score: 3, Funny
    The article summary reminded me of The Simpsons:


    Judge: Are you the Sony BMG lawyer who defended the root kit?

    Lawyer: No, that was the Warner lawyer.

    Judge: The same Warner lawyer who indicated to the court that he was going to give the family '60 days to grieve' before he would start deposing?

    Lawyer: No, that was the Motown lawyer

    Judge: The same Motown lawyer who was accused by a 15 year old girl of telling her what to say at her deposition?

    Lawyer: No, that was the Michigan lawyer

    Judge: The same Michigan lawyer brought suits against disabled people who have never engaged in file sharing, and whose sole income is Social Security Disability - a lawyer whose story that has just been posted on slashdot?

    Lawyer:Dohhh!!

  10. Dream On! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Look at all the bullshit this nation is willing to put up with!

    Do you really think this means anything?

    The American ideal is dead. We are all just trying to keep our heads down and to survive the machine we have built.

  11. Re:Someday... by SRA8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Frankly, we have no one to blame but ourselves. We continue to purchased $21 CDs with two good tracks because we dont have the principles to really boycott the industry.

  12. Too close for comfort by AndrewNeo · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just saw 'RIAA sues victim in Michigan' and thought crap, they're getting closer!

    1. Re:Too close for comfort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      And next thing you know, with your website attached to this, and a nifty domain whois, they'll be marching through Saginaw to meet you.

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  14. Re:Someday... by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At this point, I doubt it would matter. If we stopped buying the cds they would claim it as proof of pirating.

    RIAA is a fanaticle group. Any traditional tactic that could be used to display displeasure of something is only fuel to their cause. It is past the point were a boycot could work. It is past the point were you or i could make a difference. And that is because we could never make a difference. RIAA is the sole reaction to the market trying to prove a point.

    What RIAA is doing right now is covering for lack of sale and bad business decisions. They are giving the recording industry excuses for artist not making the money they deserve and they are giving excuses to share holders for producing run of the mill stuff and passing it off as something it isn't. The more RIAA sues, the more smoke covers how the artis is being treated and paid.

  15. RIAA by ms1234 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Instead of using RIAA start calling it the record labels. Now they're just pushing the bad pr over to an organisation that has nothing to lose.

  16. Then your justive system sucks by aepervius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How do you prove you did not commit anything ? Find an alibi ? That's right : in most of the case you won't be able to prove you DID NOT commit anything. Proving a negative/absence of crime is illogical and neigh impossible. That should be the RIAA job to prove you commited infringement without reasonable doubt.

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  17. Re:It works with books by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do you understand this logic?

    Distributing something across the internet would be considered large scal productions. If you have a torrent and there are 20 people leaching from your half downloaded song and then you leave the torrent for a week, you have effectivly let several thousand people have the song. You are a large scale producer/pirater. And you need to get it from somewhere so you will need to have some large scale pirating system set up to get the ball rolling.

    Otherwise, you have exactly what we have today but now RIAA gets a cut from every picture CD you make of you last trip. Riaa gets a profit from you doing a backup to DVD of your documents. The only difference would be RIAA getting money for stuff totaly unrelated.

  18. Mod Up - bogus argument by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is an Appeal to Pity.

    Yes, we all know the RIAA kills puppies and causes gout. But is it too much to ask to find articles about the RIAA that simply tell the facts as they are about them? They're bad enough, and they'll stand on their own.

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    1. Re:Mod Up - bogus argument by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which part of the story isn't factual?

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    2. Re:Mod Up - bogus argument by theckhd · · Score: 3, Informative
      For no reason than to slant the story? Really? Funny, when I read the summary, I noticed:

      defendant John Paladuk was living in Florida at the time of the alleged copyright infringement

      Mr. Paladuk suffered a stroke last year

      sole income is Social Security Disability

      The mention of the stroke does indeed have a purpose beyond emotional appeal. The medical bills from the stroke, combined with the fact that his base income is already small if he's on Social Security Disability, give the distinct impression that he might have financial difficulty mounting a strong defense in a case such as this.

      The whole point is that the RIAA is suing someone, who based on the evidence available is most likely innocent, just because he probably doesn't have the money to defend himself successfully. They probably hope he'll cave in and settle because it'll cost less than the extended legal battle he might face.

      I think NewYorkCountryLawyer included the medical information because it has a direct bearing on the interpretation of the RIAA's actions in this case. If all you saw was an appeal to pity, then maybe you need to re-read the summary again.
  19. Re:Someday... by KDR_11k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At this point, I doubt it would matter. If we stopped buying the cds they would claim it as proof of pirating.

    Then let them. Claims don't keep their business afloat, money does. They can't make you buy CDs, they can only stop illegal copying. If all this anti-piracy crap doesn't increase their sales numbers they'll run out of options sooner or later.

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  20. RIAA are terrorists? by geoff+lane · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why not? Their tactics are intended to scare people into changing their behaviour without regard to the victims involvement in the process. Isn't that the definition of terrorism.

    1. Re:RIAA are terrorists? by symes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why not? Their tactics are intended to scare people into changing their behaviour without regard to the victims involvement in the process. Isn't that the definition of terrorism.


      You have a good point here - except that terrorists don't tend you act within the law. But it does raise a related issue. Americans, in particular, have had a long and healthy tradition of taking up arms and fighting against organisations/people who have threatened their rights for freedom. As its beginning to look that the legal issues of downloading are just not what the majority of US citizens want I wonder how long before some slumbering giant is woken?

    2. Re:RIAA are terrorists? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes it is a problem, only I'm not sure the system does allow it. They are getting their head handed to them in Capitol v. Foster, and I am hopeful the 'system' is catching up to them elsewhere.

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  21. Re:Someday... by fonik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I like http://www.metropolis-records.com/

    I know about RIAA Radar, the site that lists music that IS RIAA owned, but is there a site that reviews music that ISN'T owned by them? I'm an Industrial/DnB fan and I'd like to not give money to people who sue children and the disabled.

  22. Public Media by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is just insane but it doesn't do much good for us all to sit here and whine about it to ourselves. *we* are not the market that keeps funding these people. Howver, *we* have a responsibility to mobilize and get the word out to the *regular public*. Call every talk show you can print flyers.. Spread the word, while we still have the right of "freespeech" on our side.

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  23. Re:They have to do this, folks, you don't understa by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. The surest sign of an RIAA troll is a post that starts out

    "I'm no fan of the RIAA, but ...."

    2. That is a complete fabrication about the law; there is no such thing as "selective prosecution" in civil litigation. (In fact, even in criminal law it's a concept that exists on paper, but is almost never an issue in reality. Prosecutors are supposed to be selective and have "prosecutorial discretion" to pick some cases as worthy of prosecution, and others not.)

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  24. Re:Someday... by SkyDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At this point, I doubt it would matter. If we stopped buying the cds they would claim it as proof of pirating.

    They could try, but when the artists they claim to be protecting start to scream for the heads of the lawyers, things would change.

    It would only take a 20 - 30% drop in a short period to get their attention. The trick is getting the boycott organized and getting publicity.

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  25. Re:Somebody make a movie!! by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are, in fact, several documentary films about it in the works right now as we speak.

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  26. Re:Someday... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Informative
    RIAA Radar lists non-RIAA music, not RIAA music.

    I've been collecting a list of links I call Liberated Music.

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  27. Re:BTDT... by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, you can't give them to your friends. That would infringe the distribution right due to an extremely careful bit of rewording of the bill that RIAA got through without anyone really thinking about the effect. You see, the big exception to the distribution right is the first sale exception, which applies to any copy lawfully made under the Copyright Act. But AHRA compliant copies are not lawfully made, technically, they're just not actionably made. That is, they're infringing but no lawsuit can be brought on the basis of their making.

    So it'd be better to lend people the original, lawfully made CDs and let people make their own copies. Except of course that the RIAA also got a law passed to prohibit the lending and rental of music (otherwise it'd be just as legal as video rental, which anyone can do for free, so long as they use lawfully made copies) with broad language that probably applies to individuals. This means that when you lend a friend a CD, you probably have to rely on fair use, which is fine for ordinary lending, I'm sure, but probably no good if you're doing so for the purpose of having them make copies as a substitute for having to buy their own.

    So let's not thank them too much.

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  28. Re:It IS Taxed... by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, if you made a stand-alone device that could connect to Bit Torrent and which could comply with SCMS, and you paid the royalty on it, and which wrote to some sort of conveniently removable media (e.g. a thumb drive), then you'd be fine. It's just a bit of an engineering challenge and not really all that likely to sell since people will probably just ignore the protection it confers, what with the price of the thing. But certainly the statute doesn't seem to prohibit networked devices from qualifying. It's just that it's tough to build anything interesting that complies with SCMS, it seems.

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  29. Re:Someday... by Gryle · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try Jamendo. All music on the site is entirely free to listen to and download.

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