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How Microsoft Can Make Zune a Success

jcatcw writes "Zune had potential, but 5 months in it barely gets passing grades. According to the article, there are five things Microsoft must change: 1) The built-in Wi-Fi, aka 'the social,' was a bad idea. 2) Tell newbies what it can do. 3) Create a low-end, flash-based player. 4) Push subscriptions. 5) Make it sexy. A Microsoft representative said, about the wireless concept: 'We felt we were addressing the social aspect of music, and the research we've done has shown that people understand the concept that wireless enables sharing ... but the tagline, while provocative, hasn't meant a lot to consumers.'"

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  1. Here's an idea by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny

    Make them out of gold and give them away.

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    1. Re:Here's an idea by eclectro · · Score: 4, Funny

      They might become popular with the kids if they really squirted.

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    2. Re:Here's an idea by HermMunster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Allowing Microsoft to take control of DRM and hence hedge it's position into a new market as a monopoly would be an incredibly negative thing. They are trying this with Vista with all the DRM implementations and the fact that they have required hardware manufacturers to comply nor not be certified. This makes Microsoft Windows the defacto iPod of computers. You know you are locked into the iPod if you buy from Apple's music store. This means that anyone developing for Windows Vista would be essentially locking in their customer's content to that platform. You may purchase a new video but you can't play that on say a Macintosh or Linux because Microsoft won't license that technology to those platforms. Instead they want to become the monopoly in another market. They are using Vista to do that. They are using the hardware requirements put to manufacturers to make that happen.

      DRM is to data what the OS is to program. You don't write your program to work on multiple platforms (with some exceptions), you write software to a specific platform. Microsoft knows this. They are happy to have your software product locked into their OS because it props up their monopoly.

      DRM will do the same thing except at the content level. Gates stated that content consumption is the future of computing and that most computers are used to consume that content. Giving them control of DRM, at any level, gives them a monopoly into another market.

      If you do not enjoy knowing that Microsoft is spying on you with WGA/WGN and other features of Vista then you should move to another platform now and ensure that those favorite movies, music, etc aren't going to be purchases that lock you into a platform that provides Microsoft with the power to spy on you.

      Microsoft has become hostile to its customers and Ballmer is getting hostile toward Linux users. You want to support a company that is hostile not only to its competition but also to its customers? You would not be seeing this had there been adequate competition all along.

      To limit your access to content and hence choice is to allow Microsoft to implement their DRM into your OS and into your devices. This is not something we want. We want less encroachment into our lives. We don't let the police encroach on your life and you should not let private entities encroach. To allow this is to say that it is all right for everyone to have their rights encroached.

      Linux is the only true answer. It currently out paces the Macintosh world wide and is growing by leaps and bounds. With the distro's such as Ubuntu you can have a fantastic desktop environment that plays your movies, music, and other forms of content without those spying prying hostile hands of the convicted monopolist. Linux protects your privacy. Linux protects your future, our future.

      To promote the Zune as a media player worthwhile is to tell everyone that you accept that Microsoft should have control over DRM in that market. We don't want that, we don't need that. We don't need the mediocre nature of Microsoft's products. We need to rapid solid development that projects such as Ubuntu provide us.

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  2. Missing Steps by Cornflake917 · · Score: 5, Funny

    6) ???
    7) Profit

  3. A success? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, if you go read the Dvorak article below this one, a device's success is inversely proportional to that douchebag's opinion of the device and it's future.

    So get him to hate it and you'll be all set.

  4. Zune? by BandwidthHog · · Score: 5, Funny

    They still make those?

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  5. Do like they do with everything else... by Foofoobar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Buy the leading competitor, slap a Microsoft sticker on it and call it 'innovation'?

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    1. Re:Do like they do with everything else... by cbreaker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      FooFoobar isn't trolling - this is what Microsoft DOES. I can't really think of many things that they actually created from scratch.

      I dare you to name five.

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    2. Re:Do like they do with everything else... by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can't really think of many things that they actually created from scratch.
      I dare you to name five.
      1. Clippy
      2. Windows ME
      3. The BSOD
      4. Microsoft Bob
      5. The Three-Finger Salute


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    3. Re:Do like they do with everything else... by lpcustom · · Score: 4, Informative

      PowerPoint was developed by a company called Forethought. The company and the product were purchased by Microsoft in 1987 for 14 million bucks.

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    4. Re:Do like they do with everything else... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Word? Based on WordPerfect. Excel? Lotus. The question was produce an example of a product that Microsoft didn't buy and re-brand, but instead developed in-house. Word took a lot of ideas from WordPerfect (although not some of the best ones, sadly), but was definitely developed in house based largely on Bravo from PARC. The same of Excel, which sadly copied Lotus 1-2-3 (which, itself, copied VisiCalc, the first spreadsheet I used), rather than the far superior Lotus Improv.

      Powerpoint I'll give you. Which is such a shame, because PowerPoint actually is one of the few things on the list that was bought by Mircosoft (and was a Mac-only application at the time) and re-branded.

      The NT Kernel couldn't have existed without UNIX having done all the work ahead of time. Hahahaha! Do you know even the slightest thing about kernel design (even at the broad-overview undergrad level)? NT and UNIX have almost nothing in common. If you'd said VMS, you might have had some credibility, since a lot of NT is 'inspired by' VMS (and no, it wasn't a copy, it was simply the same person, Dave Cutler, did a lot of the design for both). And no, VMS didn't copy UNIX either, they both date from the same era.

      If you actually want to learn something, instead of just spouting uninformed anti-Microsoft rhetoric, I suggest you read Andy Tanenbaum's excellent Modern Operating Systems, which covers UNIX/Linux and NT in some detail, highlighting their similarities and differences in both philosophy and implementation.

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  6. Wifi by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nothing wrong with built in wifi...That's a solid feature, if it's not crippled. Imagine being able to really share music with people near you, or to do some limited web-browsing, or, even better, listen to internet radio (if there is any left), if you're near a hotspot.

    Crippled as it is, though, it's worthless. It's always the same. Who wants to buy a player that gives you less than other players?

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  7. Stop relying on United Parcel Service by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suppose we can now answer the question, "What can brown do for you?" with a solid negative answer.

    Seriously, though - if they want to make the hardware a success, go find some balls and tell the recording industry they can take their DRM and shove it where the sun don't shine. Once they're done with that, make the thing scream over Wifi. g is good, n is better. Wifi sync. Bluetooth A2DP. Make it play most audio formats - it's not like there's a shortage of ram for the codecs - use the power used for DRM overhead to put in better decoding.

    Quit trying to help the content industry screw the consumers, and it might have a chance - take that 11 digit warchest and help make DRM a thing of the past, and make the Zune the central figure in the battle.

    Or just satisfy yourself that apple will always be cooler than you, and your products will always suck.

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  8. Push Subscriptions? by Senjutsu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The market has spoken here. Subscriptions don't appear to be remotely exciting for most consumers. There seems to be only a small minority who want to pay monthly for access to a lot of different music rather than pay once to permanently have access to a specific set of songs.

    1. Re:Push Subscriptions? by iPaul · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I couldn't agree more. I always felt there was a disconnect between industry analysts and actual reality when they brought up subscription services. Most people I know would rather buy the song/album than "have access" to it.

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  9. Zune Frustrations, 1.3, et al by aapold · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a zune, had it for some time now. I do like it, i really do. But it is very frustrating too.

    First off, there has been a skipping issue on some units (mine included), a workaroudn for it meant leaving display on 100% of the time, which did wonders for the battery. Plus, at times navigating in its menus, while they were laid out, it would just lag behind your clicks and presses, then suddenly catch up and do everything you did in frustration.

    Okay, they had a patch in the works for this, firmware 1.3. Rumor had it would be out yesterday.. it actually did make it out today. But even the execution of this shows carelessness...

    For example. the www.zune.net website was down 24 hours tuesday for maintenance. Okay, I understand sometimes you gotta do that, but you're telling me they couldn't put up a mirror? All attempts to do stuff on that day produced an error, and when it did, it would direct you to www.zune.net/support. which didn't come up. You didnt' get the maintenance message even unless you went to www.zune.net (even zune.net failed to do this).

    Okay, the patch came out next day, the site's back up. It tells me I have an update. Says downloading... then returns an error message of "unable to update sync settings at this time". calling zune support they have me update the zune software. Same. They have me install zune software on another machine. Same. I told them from the start that I've seen others posting about this on some zune boards. uh-huh. Since I'd redone zune software from their own website, the guy now wants me to instead reinstall it from the original CD, which is lying somewhere in a box in a garage. Most drivers and software should like be obselete by the time you get them, but this is apparently their standard procedure, never mind how that is going to fix what isn't coming through from their website.

    I'm still trying to get 1.3 on my zune now, some 10 hours after first trying. Oh, and btw, the patch notes they have for the 1.3 are verbatim copied from the patch notes from 1.2, including the note about how this includes everything from 1.1 and earlier. (as if 1.2 is not included). Again, its like how much care and effort are they putting into this.

    Oh, but Zune has exciting things on the way, they announced a pink zune. That will get their cool factor going, no doubt.

    Given what microsoft did in the past to people who adopted their tech (playsforsure), I have a real uneasy feeling that they'll release some new hardware that abandon the current zune.

    I want to like this thing, I really do. But they make it so hard. I *do* like the zune pass, it makes most of the frustrations worth it for me, given that I'd downloaded what would have been about $6000-$7000 worth of songs directly if I'd bought them. I like not caring which version of a song I get. I like the look and feel of the player. But they find a way to kill it. Its like Isaiah Thomas is running the Zune team. I know J Allard is supposed to be in charge of it now, but is it really his main focus? I haven't seen any drastic changes since they put him back in charge of it, and quite honestly in his shoes I'd be wanting to go on to other things by now anyway.

    That's pretty much how I feel about it at this time...

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  10. the real way to instant zune 2.0 success? by *weasel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1. fix the wireless.

    Seriously, that's it.
    There are some details involved, so I'll be more specific:

    add wireless shopping over wifi.
    allow wireless transfer of any data file. (music/pics/vids/arbitrary data)
    don't add DRM to media that didn't start with it. (seriously: how dumb was that?)
    allow wireless syncing and reverse syncing. (moving tunes from the Zune to the PC)
    allow the playback of wireless media that isn't done copying (just buffer it up and let it rip).
    allow wireless transfers in the background. (while listening to something else, while doing something else, etc)

    Do that, and you actually deliver an experience that the iPod doesn't.
    The experience the Zune promised but failed at so horribly that it might as well not exist.

    oh and it'd be nice if the Zune would mount as a generic USB volume, so it could be used to ferry about and wirelessly share arbitrary data files.

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  11. Missing part of post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I have a Zune and a 4G color iPod. My iPod sits in the dock on the clock radio we have for it. The Zune is what I take everywhere with me."

    And if I ever touch the iPod again, my dad said he'd throw another chair at me.

  12. unleash what it can do.... by Churla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    just MHO here, but the WiFi is possibly the most groundbreaking thing it does and it could be much more.

    The problem is MS neutered it so badly that it is simply worthless. Ways to fix? Some of these were mentioned before.

    A) Full sync over wireless
    B) If a file does not have DRM on it, dont PUT DRM ON IT.
    C) Allow people to have a "Sharing" folder or flag. People within wifi distance could then listen to a snip of songs that were sharable and request if they wanted a copy of the song.
    D) Allow for an architecture that would let people set up a "broadcaster" to send/sell songs out to those who request them. For instance, at a live local show the band could have a laptop running in the merchandise booth that gives out a free song from the band to whoever has a Zune and is nearby. Maybe giving them an option to buy the album electronically. Places like Starbucks could then also be music retailers selling their music they play electronically.
    E) Give people a "listen along" option other than "squirting" a song across. That way if you're doing something like working out with a friend you can listen to the friends play list at the same time they are.

    Now admittedly, these won't happen because as has also been mentioned MS would have to tell the media industries to shove DRM requirements up somewhere which makes stuff the same color as some Zunes.

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  13. Tell newbies what IS can do by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Tell newbies what IS can do"

    What "is" can do?!?

    I'm still trying to figure out what the MEANING of "is" is!

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  14. Re:They Will Be Fine by noewun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The iPod was never sold on their specs or capabilities, ever. I have never seen an iPod add that mentioned anything other than the size of the iPod (space and actual size) and that it played video.

    Actually, that showed that Apple gave people the features they really wanted, and not the features overly-techy nerds decided they should want.

    Here is where the gulf between Slashdot/Nerd culture and wider culture is most easily seen. Technofetishists see their computers and associated technology as an end unto itself: the fact that you got Beryl running on an unsupported video card, or that your mp3 player has two features no other one has, is enough to make it interesting. Most people in wider culture--the people you need to make a product a real hit--don't care about the technology in and of itself. They care about what the tech can do for them. So the fact that the iPod was and is relatively small and lightweight is a huge selling point. It easily fits into the pockets of a pair of jeans. I remember a lot of the early commentary on the iPod, a lot of which started with ,"well, my mp3 player is only 25% larger than the iPod. . ."

    Although I have no insider knowledge, I will bet a month's Manhattan rent that Apple did a lot of research as to which features people really wanted in their portable devices before making the iPod. I'm sure they still do this. This is the reason they're so successful in the mp3 arena. It's not because of the usual Slashdot reasons, which usually boil down to 'people are dumb sheep and will buy whatever you tell them to.' It's because they sell a device which is simple to use and simple to understand.

    The OSS community actually needs more thinking like this. The question shouldn't be, "why is Linux so cool?" The question should be, "how does Linux make my life easier than other operating systems?"

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  15. Core problems. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At it's core, the original concept for the Zune wasn't a bad one. It's the implementation of those ideas that have brought about failure.

    First, design and develop the product from scratch. One of the reasons the iPod is a success is because Apple is involved in every aspect of that device's development. First, Apple has a clear design concept. Keep things simple. It drives the look and feel of both the hardware and software. Secondly, everything is done within a single company and there is obviously open communication between the various departments responsible for it's development. This ensures the software works seamlessly with the hardware. It's why the device is so easy to use. I'm convinced this is why a true competitor to the iPod doesn't yet exist.

    So this was Microsoft's first problem. They took an existing Toshiba MP3 player, gave it a new shell and had to develop software around that. They should have set up a partnership with a manufacturer and had them build a device around their own specs. That's obviously a lot more expensive, but if they want to seriously compete with the iPod they can't compromise.

    As I've mentioned, Microsoft limited by the fact that they were working around an existing device. But I think they made a few design mistakes. I actually thought the brown version wasn't too bad. But I do agree, brown isn't usually on the top of anyone's list for colors they'd like to see electronics come in.

    I imagine the decision was made to go with unconventional colors to steer away from everyone trying to knock off the iPod's color scheme. I do tend to find it annoying that everyone just copies what Apple does. Apple's products look nice, but there's untold potential for different and equally attractive designs.

    In general I thought the Zune was attractive. But it doesn't quite have the elegance of an iPod. Interestingly, although it isn't really much larger than an iPod. But it looks gigantic whereas the iPod looks smaller than it is.

    And of course, another big flaw in the Zune is limited functionality. Well, it's more of a problem that Microsoft promoted the hell out of some features, like WIFI, but then crippled the hell out of them with DRM crap.

    Contrary to what Apple's marketing department claims, Apple doesn't really innovate. They don't try to implement all the latest features into their products. However, I think that's what makes them so successful. What features their products do have work extremely well and are easy to use. Apple knows how to keep things simple.

    Given how Microsoft does things I don't think this is a problem they'll ever be able to overcome.

  16. I will take that dare by walterbyrd · · Score: 4, Funny

    Five things msft invented:

    1) Lying to the US-DoJ with video-taped testomony - and getting away with it.

    2) Astroturf campaign which included letters from dead people - and getting away with it.

    3) Hiring dying micro-cap companies to file bogus lawsuits, and make outragous claims against the competition - and getting away with it.

    4) Creating fake think-tanks that insist the msft is always right, and any action against msft would be anti-capitialist - and getting away with it.

    5) Secretly funded, rigged, benchmark and TCO "studies" - and getting away with it.