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Uncle Sam Earns C-minus Grade for PC Security

An anonymous reader writes "Twenty-four federal departments and agencies earned a collective grade of C-minus last year for their performance in meeting computer and network security requirements, according to marks handed out by a key congressional oversight committee today. The government-wide grade is up slightly from the 2005, when it earned an overall grade of D+. Eight agencies earned A grades, while as many warranted failing marks. '..the Department of Defense led a group of eight agencies that received failing marks for computer security. Also receiving that dubious distinction were the departments of Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Interior, State and Treasury, as well as the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. The Department of Homeland Security earned a D, although its overall performance improved since 2005. The Department of Veterans Affairs did not provide enough data to earn a grade. In 2005, it received an F.'"

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  1. But it was a strong improving "F" by Danathar · · Score: 4, Funny

    I heard on the radio that some gov spokesperson for DOD said

    But it's a strong improving "F" ...LOL

    I don't recall that ever working with mom "But Mom...it's an improved F over the last F I got"

    1. Re:But it was a strong improving "F" by renegadesx · · Score: 1

      I heard the report card that said "Uncle Sam could do better if he applied himself more"

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  2. Also take into account.. by priestx · · Score: 2, Informative

    The infrastructure to the DoD's system extends far beyond it's headquarters.

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    1. Re:Also take into account.. by PPH · · Score: 1
      All the more reason for them to be on their toes with respect to this issue.


      Damn! Now where did we put the laptop with the launch codes?

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  3. of course D of VA didn't provide data by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 3, Funny

    They didn't have any data, since all of it was stolen last year! DOH!

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  4. If it were only so simple by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Letter grades and color coded terror levels.

    I like how they think they have to kindergarten-up government to teach it to the people.

    I've worked on a few different government 'nets. It's always just a little bit more complicated than that.

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    1. Re:If it were only so simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Naw, I work with the government too and most of the problems really are quite simple (or at least no more complicated than most). It's all the paperwork and bureaucracy that makes it complicated. Oh sure, we COULD just go to the store and buy the thing, but instead we'll fill out form 361-B in triplicate, ensuring one is in English, one is in French and the other is in some language only three people in the world can speak (meaning you'll have to get approval and fill out more paperwork to fly them in to finish that section the form) and then wait 4-6 months for the document and its approval to weave it's way through the maze of middle management. Oh well, at least it keeps me and many other workers employed.

    2. Re:If it were only so simple by cyphercell · · Score: 4, Funny

      For god's sake will someone quit giving that one asshole gold stars?

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    3. Re:If it were only so simple by loganrapp · · Score: 1

      No kidding. It's like Mario Party.

    4. Re:If it were only so simple by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If he's a big enough asshole, he'll even get four or five stars. And the title "General" to boot.

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    5. Re:If it were only so simple by feepness · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Naw, I work with the government too and most of the problems really are quite simple (or at least no more complicated than most). It's all the paperwork and bureaucracy that makes it complicated. Oh sure, we COULD just go to the store and buy the thing, but instead we'll fill out form 361-B in triplicate, ensuring one is in English, one is in French and the other is in some language only three people in the world can speak (meaning you'll have to get approval and fill out more paperwork to fly them in to finish that section the form) and then wait 4-6 months for the document and its approval to weave it's way through the maze of middle management. Oh well, at least it keeps me and many other workers employed.

      Because if you don't go through that process... well... then you've got some "no-bid contract" designed to fill the coffers of evil corporations.

    6. Re:If it were only so simple by thealsir · · Score: 2

      A lot of who provide many of the things we use.

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    7. Re:If it were only so simple by thetroll123 · · Score: 0

      >and then wait 4-6 months for the document and its approval to weave it's way through the maze of middle management.

      ...only to have it rejected due to a misplaced apostrophe. Heartbreaking.

    8. Re:If it were only so simple by spamking · · Score: 0

      As a fellow government employee I can attest to the crazy bureaucracy we have to deal with.

      Just a quick example:

      Some staff are given credit cards. You'd think it would easy just to go use the card to purchase whatever supplies you need (if you have the $$ in your budget) and just use the statement as the final paperwork needed to track the money.

      Nope, people still have to fill out as much paperwork as if they were doing a purchase order and everything has to be approved using the same process.

      Talk about spending extra time and money that's not needed.

      Then there's the whole, "you've gotta buy from this list of vendors only" crap. The government does a great job of tying it's own hands.

    9. Re:If it were only so simple by Duggeek · · Score: 1

      Per Parent:

      I like how they think they have to kindergarten-up government to teach it to the people.

      Indeed.

      The other side-effect of that is how the children can see how upside-down the government is without having it explained by their parents. Brilliant!

      From TFA:

      ...the Department of Defense led a group of eight agencies that received failing marks for computer security.

      Nice to know that the administrative branch of the Most Powerful Military in The World is using "passwordxx" for their passwords.

      Wake me when they open-source the government; should have been GPL'd years ago. (right around 2000, I believe)

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    10. Re:If it were only so simple by kabocox · · Score: 1

      Oh sure, we COULD just go to the store and buy the thing, but instead we'll fill out form 361-B in triplicate, ensuring one is in English, one is in French and the other is in some language only three people in the world can speak (meaning you'll have to get approval and fill out more paperwork to fly them in to finish that section the form) and then wait 4-6 months for the document and its approval to weave it's way through the maze of middle management. Oh well, at least it keeps me and many other workers employed.

      So this is what Esperanto and Klingon is for! Thanks. I just assumed that we had English as the offical langauage to make government easier to use. I forgot that bureaucracy exists to create more bureaucracy. We might as well bring back Greek and Latin for "educated" people to have that as the unoffical layer that people have to pass through to fill out the most secret of those governmental forms. Here is an idea, each agency that doesn't score an A has to teach its members an extinct lanuage and have all all their departments forms translated into it. All internal forms and communications should be held within said extinct lanuage.

      Ok. I've had my crazy thought for the day.

  5. Chloe, we need you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess not every US department has a Chloe O'Brian.
    "Our firewall will be down in 2 minutes, thereby exposing our agents all around the globe!"

  6. they're good at sharing by User+956 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Twenty-four federal departments and agencies earned a collective grade of C-minus last year for their performance in meeting computer and network security requirements

    It sounds like their security is more "social" than they'd like!

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    1. Re:they're good at sharing by porcupine8 · · Score: 1

      But ironically, the Social Security Administration was one of the eight As.

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  7. left behind by simonharvey · · Score: 2, Funny

    Twenty-four federal departments and agencies earned a collective grade of C-minus last year for their performance in meeting computer and network security requirements.
    and even that was due to the 'no child left behind' educational policies of GWB.


    Sad, very sad.

    1. Re:left behind by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      No Child Left Behind is not Bush's baby, it is merely an extension of an early 1970s act that was re-ratified under Clinton, then re-ratified with yet another new name under Bush. It has been a lame law for over 30 years, but people like to think the government is doing something about something...even if the problem really doesn't exist.

  8. heh by AdebisiTheGamer · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The Department of Homeland Security earned a D" Irony?

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    1. Re:heh by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      "The Department of Homeland Security earned a D" Irony?

      Yeah, they aggregated a bunch of agencies, personnel and IT systems and then made them collectively less "secure". Let's call it the "Department of Homeland Exposure" or something.

  9. Government to use Full Disk Encryption on computer by stonebeat.org · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is why there is a 90-day project currently in progress to select a Full Disk Encryption suites for all government owned computers. A Request for Quotation (RFQ) has already gone out on the April 12, 2007. See http://www.herbb.hanscom.af.mil/download.asp?rfp=R 1450&FileName=NOTICE_OF_AVAILABILITY_OF_A_SOLICITA TION_2.doc

  10. Hacking the grades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Eight agencies earned A grades At least now we know which agencies are capable of hacking into the system to change their grades:

    1) Central Intelligence Agency
    2) National Security Agency
    3) Office of Naval Intelligence
    4) National Reconnaissance Office
    5) Defense Intelligence Agency
    6) National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
    7) Army Intelligence
    8) Air Intelligence Agency
    1. Re:Hacking the grades by Midnight+Warrior · · Score: 1

      Funny, yes, but when I RTFA, those agencies weren't even listed.... And the real report doesn't list them either.

    2. Re:Hacking the grades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The joke would be lost if agencies such as the Agency for International Development and Environmental Protection Agency were listed. The 8 agencies were chosen deliberately to be incorrect.

    3. Re:Hacking the grades by ralewi1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In reading the article, paragraph two states that the Department of Defense led the list of failing agencies. DoD is made up of NSA, ONI, NRO, DIA, NGIA, "Army Intelligence" (INSCOM) and AIA, as well as a myriad assortment of other entities, big and small. So, if 2 through 7 in coward's list of "agencies" hacked, they only looked out for themselves, sabotaged each other, or hid under a rock.

    4. Re:Hacking the grades by BlueTrin · · Score: 1

      Or maybe you know which agencies are capable to hack other agencies grades ? :)

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    5. Re:Hacking the grades by kabocox · · Score: 1

      Eight agencies earned A grades
      At least now we know which agencies are capable of hacking into the system to change their grades:

      They were all Intelligence Agencies so they should be smart enough for that!

  11. no wonder DoJ got an A by RelliK · · Score: 3, Funny

    Their security system is so good, it regularly deletes all email, just so that no one else gets it.

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    1. Re:no wonder DoJ got an A by El_Oscuro · · Score: 1

      They think they deleted it, the same way you thought you voted.

      got backups?

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  12. Well... by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if it was good enough for our president...

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    1. Re:Well... by cyphercell · · Score: 1

      ...your not thinking about dating Monika Lewinsky are you?

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  13. Perl scripts and default passwords? by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Read up on what Gary McKinnon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon found.
    Just like in the control room for Springfield's reactor in Last Exit To Springfield (9F15).
    The US has all the Get Smart like security, but then has the dilapidated MS door wide open for any and all.

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  14. Open source government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An open source government wouldn't need security, now would it?

    Especially not if universally applied.

  15. Turbo Tax vs. IRS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yesterday, we have a story where Turbo Tax's online system exposed a few tax forms for returns with similar names.

    Last Friday, it was reported that the IRS lost 490 computers with potentially millions of taxpayer records. (The IRS is not sure what was lost.)

    Tell me why the latter isn't a bigger story?

    Answer: With TJ Max, Georgia CHIP, the CIA, and Los Alamos were all desensitized to the daily reports.

  16. Useless report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    figured I'd post a link to the report.
    I have to believe any report that gives only 5000 systems (wtf is a system? a box, a subnet?) as being owned by the DoD to be of dubious credibility
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/inforeg/reports/2006 _fisma_report.pdf

  17. Not political, but yes technological by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It may not need security from discovery, but it would still need data security. You don't want your code of laws being hacked, now do you?

    1. Re:Not political, but yes technological by cyphercell · · Score: 1

      ...to enable any interested citizen to add to the creation of new policy as with a wiki document.

      Unfortunately it looks like I could just implement a polka dot day policy and it would sit there until someone took it down. No hacking necessary. :)

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    2. Re:Not political, but yes technological by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The implementation is more secure than that. It's more of a cvs than a wiki.

    3. Re:Not political, but yes technological by cyphercell · · Score: 0

      w5tf?

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  18. Not surprised by jlindy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We shouldn't be surprised by this. Considering the size of the federal gov't it's safe to assume that they're a representative cross section of the population. If it's true that 25% of the computer in this country are part of a botnet, (http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/26/22 29203 ) then the gov't. is on par with the rest of the country.

    1. Re:Not surprised by Kandenshi · · Score: 1

      Size != representativeness.

      I could make a list of 25 million of the richest Americans and despite it's large size it'd be fairly unrepresentative list.

      The government too isn't a randomly chosen sample. They're obviously the most competent, smartest and generally rationally-minded amongst us. If they weren't they wouldn't get elected.

      We should expect better behaviour from them than we expect from Joe six-pack. Hell, what does Joe have to worry about computer security for? To protect his game of solitaire from being hacked? The people in the government, even if only as competent as the Average Person should be doing better anyway. The data on their computers are much more important than that on most people's.
      Plus the fact that you get mandatory training in how to Not Be Stupid with your computers. And after that training if you perform poorly in a government job(risking the integrity of your computer through your stupidity) then you face serious consequences.

      Wait? That's not how it works? :\ Should be.

    2. Re:Not surprised by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      The government too isn't a randomly chosen sample. They're obviously the most competent, smartest and generally rationally-minded amongst us. If they weren't they wouldn't get elected.

      99% of people that work in 'the government' aren't elected.

  19. Grades by cyphercell · · Score: 1

    The Department of Veterans Affairs did not provide enough data to earn a grade.

    I've had grades like that, you know where you just didn't show up or didn't do the homework, I kinda wonder what happened here.

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    1. Re:Grades by warpuck · · Score: 1

      The VA office I work in has a Printer/Copier/Scanner/Scanner to Email/Fax to Email, Store and Foward, reprint on demand and remote and local authorization codes. It has four cascading paper drawers. This is a rented $12,000 machine. It is not hooked to the network, because information management doesn't know how. (most of the IRM techs act like it someone elses job to RTFM). IRM wont let the contractor hook it up under supervision, probably cause they don't know what they are supervising. IRM techs are either WG 7 or GS-12. My department mz-manager (gs-15) is always crying about where is all the paper going? She then decided to add another process that eats another 700 pages a day. She also discovered she had to add another laser printer to the 6 lasers and 2 impacts. We have 15 people working 7 days a week on different shifts in this office. The paper is under lock and key. She had a cow when when she learned I store 2000 sheets for use when I work weekends. I ran out of paper last week end. I called the VA police, she moved the key to somewhere unknown. So I emptied all printers in the locked offices including hers and used that to furnish the essential printers. I am considered to be essential to the operation of the Medical Center (gs-4), the gs-15 is not. BTW I worked for IBM Global directly and indirectly for 10 years, now I work for benefits and 52 weeks of salary.
        Overall grade D-, only because they will show up, in 2 or 3 days. They then scratch their head, leave and sometimes come back in another 2 or 3 days.
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  20. Woohoo! by DavidHumus · · Score: 1

    A "C" - that's great!

    We're all the way up to average!

    We (kind of) rock!

    1. Re:Woohoo! by QuasiEvil · · Score: 1, Funny

      C is for Cookie, that's good enough for me!

      At least that was my motto when it came to grades... :)

  21. I am not surprised by Mike_ya · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I suspect this also includes government networks run by contractors.

    A while back I use to be friends with someone who worked for one of these companies that do contract work for the government, for one of those agencies that require Secret or Top Secret clearance along with requiring routine polygraph tests.

    I was told stories on occasion how IT jobs would come open and be filled not with individuals that had the technical qualifications but those that had the security clearance.

    Heck, my friend who had a clearance and did clerical work was promoted to run the Help Desk and was giving a book to learn on the job. Then again a few years later to administer servers spread around the globe, with no formal training.

    I was told the contracting companies would not hire individuals for the clearance jobs unless they already had the clearance. The clearance trumped any sort of job qualification.

    If this has changed since 9/11 I don't know.

    1. Re:I am not surprised by QuasiEvil · · Score: 3, Informative

      >If this has changed since 9/11 I don't know.

      A couple friends of mine recently hired on with a growing government contract IT firm out here. The HR department didn't even really care about the resume, but rather the fact that two of them already had clearances. According to them, they work with some utter idiots, but they're qualified to see almost anything, so they keep them around.

    2. Re:I am not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suspect there is reason to their madness. Getting clearance for an individual costs quite a bit of money - in the order of a few thousand dollars I'm told, depending on clearance level - and requires a lot of time - some people I know had to wait a few months for their secret clearance. Not that this really should be an excuse for hiring knowledgeable people, but I can see it being a factor. Do you really want to spend a few thousand dollars and wait three months just to find out someone isn't right for the job? Maybe in the ideal world companies would recognize that the fact that a good worker would "earn" them back a much larger return than they had to spend initially, but in reality, I find a lot just look at the short term. We need to spend money AND time?! Next!

    3. Re:I am not surprised by cyphercell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      funny, the security clearances are making the system insecure, me thinks something is broken.

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    4. Re:I am not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the idea is to forgo years and 10s of thousands of dollars of education in preference for someone that just passes a thorough history check? I'm sorry but that's completely ass backwards. Right up there with complaining that you can't live on convenience foods. Anyone ever consider giving these people a lie detector test before trying for a security clearance.

    5. Re:I am not surprised by mu51c10rd · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just left the civil service, working in DoD. I saw plenty of contractors, including the security teams ( security and accreditation process people) have complete ignorance of technology. They were hired because they held a 3C0 AFSC (if that) and a clearance. Their idea of security is running off of a checklist, with no thought given to new exploits in the wild. The checklists usually ran something like: 1. Antivirus up to date? 2. No Guest User? etc. These same people have caused there to be plenty of NT 4.0 servers still running as domain controllers. For that matter, there were plenty of individuals in the civil service who also were not IT people, but working in an IT capacity.

  22. Surprise! by session_start · · Score: 1

    You mean _Another_ governmental department is not as secure as the rest of the world?!
    Note sarcasm...

    My 17 year old sister has better security on her ME box...

  23. Don't believe it by Spazmania · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As someone dealing with a security audit right now, all I can say is: don't believe a word of it. The auditors tick off items on a checklist. Telnet running? Lose points. Telnet running on your Cisco routers in a configuration where a man-in-the-middle attack is impossible? Its Telnet. Lose points. Telnet running in an impregnable fashion because that's what the vendor offers for remote access and you locked it down damn tight to compensate? Its Telnet. Lose points.

    Damn auditors.

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    1. Re:Don't believe it by qzulla · · Score: 1

      You are running telnet in any shape or form?

      Lose points.

      qz

    2. Re:Don't believe it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having telnet access to any system, anywhere, should be enough to get an F.

      It's telnet. It's insecure. Don't use it. If it's all the vendor provides, find a new vendor.

      The only way you can make telnet locked "down damn tight" is to run it on a machine that's not connected to any network. In any other configuration, you're just begging to be hacked. A firewall can help mitigate risk, but it should never be relied on to prevent it. All it takes is one idiot with a rooted laptop to plug into a "secure" side and if you're running telnet, it's all over.

      Running telnet in any way, shape, or form should be enough to gain an F. There are better alternatives and there have been for years. If your vendor is too stupid to use one of them, what other security problems must they have?

    3. Re:Don't believe it by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1

      I'll assume parent is a joke. What if Telnet is running on a network contained in a single room where only people with system administrator privileges have access to the space? What if there is no routing from that network to outside networks and outside networks are only accessable through dual homed computers with application layer translators which have been locked down to the outside? Is telnet still a risk? You have to consider the setting the vulnerability is in. Otherwise the assessment is simply how many boxes can you check and has no corrilation to risk or information security.

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    4. Re:Don't believe it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should lose points if you are running telnet. It does not matter how your network is set up or where it is located. I don't care if it's in a controlled area, or two PCs in your living room. Not only is telnet an unencrypted protocol, various implementations of telnet have issues that allow bypassing authentication. An insecure network can affect the security of other networks in an organization that are locked down really well....even if they are not physically connected to each other. If the vendor has provided a customized "secure telnet" (meaning it runs on the standard telnet port, is encrypted, uses strong authentication methods, other extra security features, etc), than you're not really running telnet...as a run of the mill telnet client should not be able to connect to this secured version.

    5. Re:Don't believe it by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      Generally speaking, telnet is a poor application to run for anything in this day and age. Generally speaking.

      And that's the point: the auditors are generally speaking. They don't consider the context. Ever.

      Suppose you use telnet in a strictly switched network where the physical plant is secured and under your control, the destination MAC is locked to the port and an automated watcher drops any ports that incorrectly arp for a protected address? An analysis of that design would have to conclude that telnet is MORE secure than SSH in the same configuration. Why? The lock down removes the possibility of man in the middle attacks and encryption is not a security asset where man in the middle attacks are impossible. The various ssh daemons have encountered more pre-authentication vulnerabilities in recent years than the various telnet daemons, ergo ssh would be less secure than telnet.

      Suppose you use telnet but only through an encrypted VPN directly to the device in question? The telnet port is available without the VPN but as a matter of process and training its never used that way by authorized users as guaranteed by automated log monitoring. Again you've removed man-in-the-middle attacks and telnet is less likely to present a pre-authentication vulnerability than ssh.

      You can't consider security in a vacuum; you have to consider the whole system. Auditors don't.

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  24. F is for "Karl" by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Is it insecurity when the Republicy government deletes over 5 million emails it's legally required to archive, to hide evidence of Republicy crimes? How about when the Republicy government lets its boss, Karl Rove, circumvent all White House security to do 95% of his emailing through Republicy laptops and servers, to hide evidence of Republicy crimes?

    The answer starts with "F".

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  25. Well by ShooterNeo · · Score: 1

    So there I was, at my local national guard Armory, while a non-commissioned officer used his login and password to sign in. While at drill, it has been remarked that the computers are completely 'locked down', so much so that they are remotely maintained and local users can do nothing on them.

    SO...guess what. One of their clueless Sgts wanted to transfer files from one box to another. He goes into network neighborhood...where EVERY WINDOWS BOX IN THE ENTIRE STATE IS ON THE SAME LAN!!!! I was like "uh...if a malicious hacker wanted to crack this, how many seconds would it take them to break into the entire national guard?"

    Granted, this is the Army national guard, and except for pay systems, I can't imagine what secret info is actually on those computers. All the equipment I have ever seen is old and clunky. Sure, some of the manuals for the radios are technically 'secret'...but these radios are archaic boxes from the 1980s that weigh a ton, and I suspect any secrets in them our enemies have long since learned.

  26. Re:Government to use Full Disk Encryption on compu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmm, the order was given in June of 2006, so now they're finally doing something about it in April of 2007? Such competence is awe-inspiring.

  27. Thats crazy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, sorry to be the one to tell you, but everyone else knows your sisters box is penetrated nightly.

  28. The grading seems skewed by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 2, Informative

    So the agencies were all graded on their self-reporting of their own security... I think I'm seeing the problem here. My guess is the DoD and other high-profile agencies got poorer marks because they grade themselves harder. I have seen many times where a group gets a bunch of security requirements and responds back, "yeah, we meet those."

    And even legitimate reporting of FISMA requirements is damn near pointless. Q: "Do you have a firewall?" A: "yes! It's default allow with no rules but the requirement sais firewall." Q "Do you have an IDS?" A: "Yes! It has the default rule set, no one monitoring it, and we don't even know if you can access the logs but it's there." I have seen that answer, literally, on a system that people would simple assume had someone personally approving every packet.

    In the end, it's damn near impossible to tell who's secure and who isn't without having a single team do unannounced pen tests on everything and reporting how they compare. And there are so many problems with that approach I don't know where to start. But you will always have teams that lock a system down so tight water doesn't get in yet fail requirements. You have people who meet the letter of requirements yet add no measurable security. And you will have the people who simply lie because they can't be bothered to hire someone competant to do the reporting.

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    I do security
    1. Re:The grading seems skewed by saverio911 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually the grades are created by the GAO in conjunction with each Department's Inspector General. They audit a cross section of the assessments submitted by the system owners for each Department. And by "audit" I mean they show up at the site with the report and go through a physical verification of all the details entered. Nothing makes a government Sysadmin's day like having an auditor shoulder surf while they go over server settings for 8 hours. I have been through it.

  29. Doesn't matter... by davidmillions.com · · Score: 2

    If they get hacked it's our money anyway...

  30. What a scam... by eklitzke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't understand the attraction to full disk encryption. Sure, it will prevent a would be thief from reading some of your personal emails or getting access to your credit card information. But all the good secrets are on servers and corporate networks, not on people's laptops. And if the secrets are really good, you're not going to be able to just get to them just by stealing someone's laptop.

    For example, where I work, to get onto the corporate intranet you need to actually be physically connected to the corporate network, or you need to access it via a VPN. To get on the VPN, you need the group password and your individual password. The group password is static, but your own password is a combination of a PIN plus the sequence of digits on the RSA SecurID card you're issued, which change every sixty seconds. This is a really standard setup, and means that to get anywhere you would need to steal my laptop (to get the group password), know my PIN, _and_ steal my SecurID card. Actually, you would _also_ need my corporate username and passphrase, but if you're good enough to get all of the above I assume you can get those too.

    If you want to secure email (or whatever), that's easy too. To get to the mail servers you need to be on the VPN, which is already a pretty good start. At that point all you need to do is make sure that all the really sensitive email accounts are local delivery only (i.e. no POP/Exchange/IMAP access). To read email you get a web based email solution or a shell account on the mail server. Either way you log in by connecting to the VPN and doing your normal Kerberos authentication. Obviously web mail presents a bit of a problem in the way of the browser cache, but it's fairly simple to lock down a shell account in such a way that users can't connect out from the account (or scp files).

    Anyway, adding full disk encryption to this is a joke. It's a scam to let the companies that provide the disk encryption hardware/software make a lot of easy money. If you were doing things right in the first place it would be a _lot_ easier for someone to get the encryption password than it would be for them to get to your sensitive data. Instead of paying hundreds of thousands of dollars on a proprietary disk encryption solution, get some competent system administrators.

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    1. Re:What a scam... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But all the good secrets are on servers and corporate networks, not on people's laptops. There was a recent news story where Army vet social secuirty numbers were stolen from someone's laptop he took home. It depends on your definition of "good secrets," but there is plenty of good information available on people's laptops.
  31. Uncle Sam's Wife..... by ruffnsc · · Score: 1

    Got an F in Sex........says her drivers license. Ba dum dum :)

    1. Re:Uncle Sam's Wife..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your karma should be marked with a F. That was horrible, don't even try anymore.

  32. Just so I get this straight by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    The organisations who want to have minute detail information about pretty much every inch of our life and promises us that it would never ever be used for malicious plans is unable to keep this information secure? In that case, it's pretty much a given that said information can and will be abused. It's even easy to abuse it themselves, if they need to, they'll simply claim it's been stolen and "outsource" the actual deed.

    But at least I can sleep well again. An agency that well organized is no threat to my security. Well, as long as I don't give them information, that is.

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  33. Re:Government to use Full Disk Encryption on compu by spamking · · Score: 0

    This has already been done for a bunch of laptops. It was a complete pain for most programs. Not all government laptops contain patient or investigation-related data. Most are just used for simple word processing and to check email while traveling.

    They've told us that we'll get to encrypt external hard drives . . . including all USB thumb drives.

    Should be fun.

  34. Because the corporate world is more complicated? by kria · · Score: 1

    I almost said the "real world", but decided that was unfair to the government.

    Anyway, at work, on my performance review I get a "does not meet", "meets", "exceeds" or "far exceeds" expectations. That's even more simplistic than a letter grade.

    I work at a defense contractor. The scores given for performance of a project are similar; very, very simple.

    I'm sure that like both of those examples, the departments were given detailed descriptions of what was wrong and was right, probably with each area having a grade that was aggregated to the overall grade.

  35. Just wondering... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...what did the Department Of Justice get, and did their third-party email servers at georgewbush.com and gwb43.com (POP3, Exchange?) factor into the score? Because if they were used for official government business, they should be.

  36. Wonderful.. by Mockylock · · Score: 1

    I'm sure that they would rather write laws and point fingers at who's fault it is, rather than address it. I'm sure if the media said it would save lives, it would be George Bush's fault and Democrats would address it.

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  37. There is a place for disk encryption by curlynoodle · · Score: 1

    Many organizations do not have, nor want, VPN access to their corporate network. First, its offers another conduit for exploitation. A poorly managed VPN, much like wireless, is just another way malicious people can get at your data. I do agree that a properly implemented, and administered, VPN can be a very useful tool. However, that requires time and money. The biggest road block is the maintenance aspect. Remember, management often view IT services as a facilities expense, much like simple electricity service. They always want the least costly solution. Also, many old school managers do not see the benefit in VPN, often because they are more comfortable simply making copies of data onto their laptops and taking it home or on the road. I have read articles profiling occasions where business laptops storing customer information, including names, addresses, credit card info, etc are stolen. So if VPN is not an option, what is the alternative? Disk encryption or loss of productivity.

  38. Department of Education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have to wonder if the department of education surveys included state colleges.

    From my experience, these places have pretty wretched security in the departments despite pretty good security on the residence hall networks (at least at my college).

    I recall back in the day that EDU sites were always first choice hacks because the entry was seldom noticed quickly and the bandwidth was near unlimited.

    Even still, unsecured and poorly controlled forum and wiki software is fairly common.

    Behold this porn-spam-filled forum on WSU's Spokane campus:
    N entirely SFW

    Posting AC from work for a state college.

  39. Those passwords are on the laptops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It is trivial to break in to a laptop when one has unrestricted physical access.

    It is usually non-trivial to break into a server that is in a data-center behind firewalls given zero-knowledge.

    Fortunately for the bad-guys, laptops have been proven over and over to contain network information, passwords, and raw protected data:

    Chicago Public Schools
    FBI
    Boeing
    Starbucks
    Towers Perrin
    US Commerce Department
    US Department of Transportation and Sovereign Bank, et al.
    US Navy
    US Department of Veteran Affairs
    Federal Trade Commission
    Equifax
    Ernst & Young (many times)

    Unless "Get competent administrators" is software that prevents users from putting data on their laptops, this suggestion is meaningless.

    "Get competent administrators" is a finger-waving nebulous non-solution from those that have no idea what competent administration looks like.

    Competent adminstrators recognize that security problems are not simple and they are only solved by tangible, disciplined, and rigorous solutions, rather than dismissive statements of "be smarter."

  40. Bogus exercise in paper security by JimmytheGeek · · Score: 1

    I'm not exactly a anti-government nutcase, but I do recognize where a legislature + bureaucracy routinely fsck up. Hell, even smart people screw up security assessments.

    I agree with Richard Bejtlich's assessment: FISMA is a jobs program for unskilled "security consultants" who can not themselves 'operationally defend' system or network assets. That is to say, it's a boon for paper pushing drones wasting the time of the geeks at the sharp end who can actually make a difference if let alone.

    Bejtlich writes it up here: http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2007/04/fisma-dogf ights.html

    The right assessment metrics assess 0wn4ge, not comprehensiveness of policy documentation.

  41. 24 security breaches by KIAaze · · Score: 1

    Interesting.
    This makes "24" even more credible. There are always some security breaches, moles, stolen keycards and laptops...
    I really wonder why there still hasn't been a major terrorist attack on the USA except for 9/11.
    Maybe they'll wait for the national internet reboot (yes, national, that's what slashdot said ^^) to exploit more security breaches.