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Google buys DoubleClick for $3.1 Billion

marvinalone writes "The New York Times reports that Google has purchased DoubleClick. That seems to be the conclusion to the speculation we've talked about earlier. From the article: 'Google reached an agreement today to acquire DoubleClick, the online advertising company, from two private equity firms for $3.1 billion in cash, the companies announced, an amount that was almost double the $1.65 billion in stock that Google paid for YouTube late last year.'"

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  1. whoa by rbochan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now Microsoft's anti-spyware will absolutely flag it!

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    1. Re:whoa by Rei · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Heh, Microsoft should be concerned with Google; they're everywhere that Microsoft wants to go, and if you don't keep moving as a corporation, you lose investors.

      When I saw this headline, all I could think was "Google buys up another chunk of the internet." Seriously -- DoubleClick is everywhere. It's almost like google's trying to become the web.

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    2. Re:whoa by Duhavid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      if you don't keep moving as a corporation, you lose investors.


      I always thought the name of the game was to keep your focus
      and not dilute your efforts. And as far as I can tell,
      the only reason Google is everywhere that Microsoft wants to
      go is because they see what Google does, and want to emulate
      that. That is reactive, and seems like a sure way to lose
      your way. I dont like Microsoft much as a company, but
      in the past you had to give them credit for not losing
      focus. They kept after things they started until they got
      it basically usable, and mostly solid. And did a better
      job of that than many other companies. Microsoft should
      be concerned with finding the ( lawful ) strategies and
      tactics that get them where they want to be, and stop letting
      other companies define so much of thier roadmap.
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    3. Re:whoa by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Somehow, /. needs to find a way to rearrange the Google name into "Skynet"
      Seems easy enough.

      +12, -4, +10, +7, -7, +15

    4. Re:whoa by Curtman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Google offers close to no actual content.

      I don't know about that. GMail, and Google Earth/Google Maps are very useful content. Sure, they are just another way to push more advertising, but it is content.
    5. Re:whoa by ceejayoz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unless you're signed up for some Google mailing lists, Gmail doesn't provide content, the people you're exchanging e-mail with are. Gmail's a host for other peoples' content, just like Google Search.

      It's great, but it's not content.

    6. Re:whoa by Locutus · · Score: 2

      You missed the 20 years of history which show that Microsoft is a follower of "technology" and their only successes come from noticing what others are doing and then embedding a cheap copy into Windows and piping it out to everyone via the pre-install channel. Think of it like a sewer pipe Microsoft has to millions of desktops. The original inventor of the new technology ends up with nothing while Microsoft builds a ball of shit which is painted to LOOK like the original and then shovels it out those pipes to every computer shipped/sold. Users of these balls of crap think they have something cool but in fact, they are typically just Window-ized versions of the original and incompatible with anything else out there.

      And that bit about them "keeping after things they started" goes, I hope you're not talking about PocketPC or Xbox because they are losing billions on those and have lost over $10 billion just on PocketPC( WinCE ) alone and I still hear people complaining of having to reboot their handhelds or phones. A REAL business can not continue to loose money on a product for over 10 years like Microsoft can and could not keep shoveling shit out the door and yet people still think its something else.

      They are the greatest snake oil salesmen of our time. IMO.

      Remember, Microsoft has not been successful outside of their monopoly( Windows Desktop ) and I mean profitable. Reacting is all they do and without the MS Windows sewer pipes, they're losers. Google is just making this more obvious.

      LoB

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    7. Re:whoa by ceejayoz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft Office isn't content; your documents are.

      Absolutely. Office's help files are content, though. Office apps are content containers, just like Gmail.

      MSN (or whatever it's called these days) isn't content; your instant messages are.

      Absolutely.

      Windows isn't content; your data are.

      Absolutely.

      What's your definition of "content" then?

      There are dictionary definitions for such things:

      "Something contained, as in a receptacle. Often used in the plural: the contents of my desk drawer; the contents of an aerosol can." (Gmail and Office are like desk drawers or a pad of paper, as an analogy)
      "The material, including text and images, that constitutes a publication or document."
      "The substantive or meaningful part."

      You've probably heard the phrase "content is king". Clearly, whoever said that didn't mean that an empty website is great and will attract visitors. No, the container - the website - needs actual content - good articles.

    8. Re:whoa by zobier · · Score: 2, Informative

      In base 26:

          google
        + kvjfro
          ------
          skynet

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  2. Let me be the first one to say... by logixoul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google is the new Microsoft. :^)

    1. Re:Let me be the first one to say... by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I, for one, welcome our new online advertising overlords, and I'd like to remind them that as a trusted member of Slashdot, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground click farms.

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    2. Re:Let me be the first one to say... by linguizic · · Score: 3, Funny

      Normally I get really annoyed when someone uses the ole "I for one...", but kudos to you for using the full quote.

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  3. obligatory by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    DoubleClick got owned!

    no, really!

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    1. Re:obligatory by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2
      Owned = black gangsta rap slang for "owning hoes", as in, women. It's fucking sexist.

      Words mean whatever the general population that uses them says they mean. Nobody using "owned" thinks it has anything to do with "hoes." And so guess what? It doesn't.

  4. Won't change much for me by bigtangringo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Doubleclick is still blocked in every way, shape, and form available on my browser.

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    1. Re:Won't change much for me by Hatta · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What happens when google absorbs doubleclick and starts sending ads from google.com instead of doubleclick.net?

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    2. Re:Won't change much for me by alphamugwump · · Score: 5, Funny

      I block ads at my firewall with moblock/bluetack. Then, I block them again with privoxy. Then, I use the pgl blocklists with konqueror. I also change my MAC address every 3 hours, do all my browsing through Tor, and clear my cookies when I'm done.

      Yeah, I'm a little obsessive.

    3. Re:Won't change much for me by daeg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had the same opinion until retarded eBay ads started showing up everywhere. No, just because I'm browsing an article about "postfix bugs" doesn't mean I want to buy a "BUG COLLECTION GUIDE at eBay" or "POSTFIX FOR DUMMIES EBOOK at eBay", etc.

      Likewise, browsing website A will often give negative opinions of it, sponsored by website B. "Toolset A buggy? Try Toolset B!" etc.

      That's when they got blocked.

      Bad ad-approval monkeys. No banana for you.

    4. Re:Won't change much for me by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2

      Then you jsut block google's own ad servers, which Ive been doing for years with a simple hosts file. Works for all browsers/applications on my system. Also set your google never-expire tracking cookie to get deleted once per session and you're set.

    5. Re:Won't change much for me by sharkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      You know when a Cub Scout becomes a Boy Scout?


      When he eats his first Brownie!

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  5. I felt a great disturbance in the Force... by h4ter · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...as if millions of chairs suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

  6. Hmmm by huckamania · · Score: 4, Insightful

    3.1 billion to pretty much lock up the on-line advertising market. I wonder what percentage of the on-line advertising market will push Google into Monopoly territory. I would guess they are getting pretty close.

    I wonder how long until it becomes obligatory to hate Google...

    1. Re:Hmmm by apathy+maybe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hate them now. Use their products if you want, but hate them anyway.

      Seriously though, Google doesn't have a monopoly on on-line text advertising (even pay per-click), Yahoo has got into that business (formally Overture)[http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com] and I'm sure other companies have as well. This [http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/columns/executiv e_tech/article.php/3395571] article has some interesting comments on the matter of fraud.

      And there are still heaps of other advertisers out their, and you know what, I block almost all of them (Adblock and NoScript, 'tis great). (For most sites, it is seriously, if they can't cope without my viewing their ads (even if I'm never going to ever buy anything), then I guess I can do without them. For sites like this, I like to think that I am helping to contribute to more people coming here by having insightful and interesting comments. After all, that is what gets the people looking at the site, and thus the ads.)

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  7. What ever happened to ... by LorenzoV · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... "Do no evil?"

    Every doubleclick host that I can identify is permanently blocked here for web bugs and Dartmail. I don't see that changing any time soon, either.

    One could hope that Google will change Doubleclick's behavior before putting their own name on the services.

    1. Re:What ever happened to ... by dreamchaser · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Do no evil", if it was ever anything other than clever PR, went away the moment they caved to China. It actually probably went away, again if it ever was even a real credo, long before that.

    2. Re:What ever happened to ... by dwater · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > It actually probably went away, again if it ever was even a real credo, long before that.

      Right. It's nothing to do with China; it's to do with American greed, plain and simple. It started (IMO) at the IPO.

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    3. Re:What ever happened to ... by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Funny

      ... "Do no evil?"

      Stop crying about it. This is yesterday's news, as we know all corporations are evil by definition.

      The new rage is corporations which are open to how evil they are, such as Microsoft's new slogan for 2008 "We're evil", and Yahoo's campaign "Tell us how we can be evil for you today", trying to tighten Yahoo's communication with their users.

      Google is also planning a new PR image, but since it would be quite shocking to their existing fans, the search engine plants a gradual transition, where they will change their slogan every month such as "Evil 5%", "Evil 10%", "Evil 15%" until they reach 100%.

    4. Re:What ever happened to ... by DanTheLewis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You could be wrong.

      It's not offbase to ask the person who sneers at "do no evil" to think about their own standards. Are your principles just PR because you've had to make difficult moral decisions, or even evil decisions? Does being a corporation imply that Google must be full of it, while you should be forgiven?

      "Do no evil" is an impossibly high bar that Google has chosen to be accountable to. When they screw up, they get to hear about it from cynics like you, who pretend to see the world through black-and-white glasses, and pretend that the moral sense is absolute and good and evil are obvious. As five seconds reading the two brains thing should convince you, there's no pony in seeing the world this way (here's a link, by the way).

      I don't work for Google. The nerve you hit, I guess, is the one that can't bear to see idealism being trashed for no reason. In the world we do have, hope for something better is all we've got. If corporate accountability is it, so be it.

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  8. I hope it was for the client list by spyrochaete · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I sincerely hope Google will simply replace all DoubleClick-crippled sites with AdSense. DoubleClick's tracking cookies are the reason I block web ads.

    1. Re:I hope it was for the client list by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 4, Informative

      You do know that adsense keeps tracking cookies too, right?

    2. Re:I hope it was for the client list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Um, might want to know more about how ad sense works then before making that statement.

      Doubleclick operated under the '3rd party' cookie system. Sites hosted thier cookies, and users of modern browsers had the ability to decide, or 'opt in' to being tracked by third party cookies. Of course, most browsers by default blocked them, and life was good.

      Google ad sense operates on a different level...using cookies is just part of the game. Via IP pingbacks, toolbar tracking, and account identification, users may unkowningly be giving out alot more data than they realize.

      Say for instance that you use Gmail. or any Google service that requires login. Google can track you via that login to each site you visit that has a google ad (70% of the net from what I understand). See, doubleclick never had this part of the equation...they never had account info. Google can tie your IPs, usernames, email content, and web browsing activity...and you can't do jack about it (short of blocking the google scripts themselves).

      Even without login account info, Google has the ability to track your individual machine via IP pingbacks. If you nav to page one, the google ad gets your exposed ip, then the next page you visit that has a google ad...yep..that ip is used to track that navigation. No cookie needed. Of course, if your behind a firewall, only the firewall ip would get exposed. But still...do you really want to give anyone that much information about you?

  9. Now slashdot needs a new meme by bugnuts · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gootube was easy.....

    Doogleclick?

    Doobleclick?

    Goobleclick?

    Youtoogleclick?

    1. Re:Now slashdot needs a new meme by HOTTILA.COM · · Score: 5, Funny

      YouGoClick

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  10. "Don't Be Evil?" by ewhac · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Great. Now which of the myriad of Google's cookies will I need to block?

    Schwab

  11. Re:Hmmm, the beast grows by hostyle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    eh. i am actually a rocket scientist (and yes my talent is wasted here). The answer to your rather obvious question is "when people stop buying their shares".

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  12. It's f*****d company all over again. by mauledbydogs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ok - so maybe that's harsh. But $3.1billion for the company? That provides a technology Google have already? I'm sure the decision makers over there know a lot more than me (hell, I've been drinking for the last eight hours) - but key Doubleclick partners (such as News Corp) aren't going to be too hot on Google suddenly knowing their ad business inside out. This smacks of splashing the cash to kill competition - had Microsoft picked up Doubleclick, that would have presented a serious challenge to Google's display ad syndication business.

    1. Re:It's f*****d company all over again. by Araxen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      3.1 Billion or let Microsoft automatically become the #2(Maybe #1?) On-line advertising service on the Internet? Which do you think Google is going to choose?

    2. Re:It's f*****d company all over again. by coredog64 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Microsoft bidding on DoubleClick brings to mind the following joke:

      A duck hunter is out early one morning hunting ducks. He's not having a lot of luck and he's about ready to pack it in and go home.
      Then he catches a break and shoots a duck. The duck falls to the ground on the other side of a fence. He hops the fence to grab the duck
      and a farmer appears from nowhere and asks "What are you doing with my duck?" The hunter says "That's my duck! I shot it." The farmer replies "Doesn't matter -- it's on my land. But I'll tell you what. We'll take turns kicking each other in the nuts as hard as we can until one of us gives up. The winner keeps the duck. Oh, and I kick first." So the farmer winds up and kicks the hunter square in the nuts. The pain is so awful the hunter throws up and then collapses. 10 minutes later, he tentatively gets to his feet and says "Okay, my turn." To which the farmer replies "That's okay, you can keep the duck."

      I have a sneaking suspicion Microsoft wasn't that interested in DoubleClick. But they wanted to make damn sure that Google overpaid for it.

    3. Re:It's f*****d company all over again. by hostyle · · Score: 2, Funny

      Drinking for eight hours and still spelling perfectly? You, sir, are a fibber!

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    4. Re:It's f*****d company all over again. by Idbar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      3.1 Billion dollars won't change my hosts file:

      ...
      127.0.0.1 atdmt.com
      127.0.0.1 adbrite.com
      127.0.0.1 doubleclick.net
      127.0.0.1 googlesyndication.com
      ...

      But if they can get the money from doubleclick customers... good for them.

    5. Re:It's f*****d company all over again. by turbofisk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Better to use 0.0.0.0, since if you have a webserver running it would make alot of requests...

  13. Confrimation on the Google Blog by stereoroid · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here you go. The PDF FAQ they put there confirms the terms: $3.1 billion. Apart from that, I second/third/fourth the previous comments: zero impact here, DoubleClick has been on my blacklist for years now, by any means available.

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  14. No matter who buys it... by IthnkImParanoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...it's still called shit.

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  15. Re:Gookle +1 MS-1 by apathy+maybe · · Score: 2, Informative

    As I said above, no Google don't have a monopoly on online advertising. Not even text based pay-per view.

    Yahoo have got into the business as well (when they bought Overture I think). There are also heaps of others, from my Adblock list,
    adsdk
    fastclick
    bluestreak
    adsfac
    mediaplex
    serving-sys
    tribalfusion
    And heaps more. Not to mention all the individual site advertising (http://ads.guardian.co.uk for example).

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  16. Those generic eBay ads by Kelson · · Score: 4, Funny

    I had the same opinion until retarded eBay ads started showing up everywhere. No, just because I'm browsing an article about "postfix bugs" doesn't mean I want to buy a "BUG COLLECTION GUIDE at eBay" or "POSTFIX FOR DUMMIES EBOOK at eBay", etc.

    I was once looking for information on Nigerian scams, a.k.a. 419 scams, a.k.a. advance fee fraud scams. And, I kid you not, among the ads on the Google results page for "nigerian scam" was an ad that read:

    Nigerian Scam
    Looking for Nigerian Scam?
    Find exactly what you want today
    www.ebay.com

    I found the same type of ad for "419 scam," then did some random searches, and at the time, eBay seemed to have picked up a whole bunch of two-word phrases.

    1. Re:Those generic eBay ads by Burning+Plastic · · Score: 5, Funny

      Still doesn't compare to the "Buy Steve Irwin Dead on eBay" offers that were popping up after the event...

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/05/ebay_steve _irwin/

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  17. Actually by JYD · · Score: 2, Funny

    I thought it was Google who would bring balance to the Force, not leave it in Darkness.

    1. Re:Actually by Bamafan77 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I thought it was Google who would bring balance to the Force, not leave it in Darkness.
      Unless misread the prophecies were.
  18. they never said BUY no evil... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    :)

  19. haha by Traa · · Score: 5, Funny

    You think you are in pain for having to swallow that our great Google bought doubleclick?

    Ha, you could imagine it like this: The people at doubleclick just got paid 3.1 BILLION dollars.

    By Google.

    Have a great weekend.

  20. Strategy? by slashdotusername · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This may have been part of a strategy to make sure that nobody else bought DoubleClick first. The last thing Google wants is for Microsoft to try to take over their most profitable field. Even if Google never touches DoubleClick's materials after this, they don't have to worry about someone else having that "advantage" over Google.

  21. Re:D'OH! by mikeisme77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I agree with the $3.1 billion probably being far too much for DoubleClicks assets... I disagree with the block list thing, as the vast majority of Internet users do not use AdBlock or any other similar ad blocking software. Yes, a lot of us geeks use that stuff (I don't, as I just ignore them), but then a lot of us geeks are the ones least likely to click on ads and buy the stuff they're selling. Now as to the reason why they would be willing to pay the $3.1 billion for DoubleClick, it's clearly to prevent Microsoft (and/or Yahoo!) from buying a sizable chunk of the online advertising business, plus it now increases the size of Google's very profitable ad business.

  22. Re:Sad to say, but by FutureDomain · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does DC have something technologically interesting under the hood somewhere? Think a minute about all the advertising capital that Doubleclick has! It has banner ads everywhere, and advertising partners to buy all those ads. Now every Doubleclick advertising partner is also a Google advertising partner. Google is positioning itself as the Internet advertising company.

    Although I also wandered what Google was getting itself into buying a company that notoriously places tracking cookies on computers everywhere, I can see what they're trying to do. I only hope that Google will clean them up instead of Doubleclick dirtying Google. They should stop putting tracking cookies on people's computers, remove any tracking cookies already on the computer, and deny any overly flashy banner ads. That would strongly increase Google's credibility and help eliminate some of the garbage on the Internet.
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  23. The Tragedy of the Template by jhoger · · Score: 4, Funny

    The best one I saw was something like

    Babies
    Looking for Babies?
    Find exactly what you want today
    www.ebay.com

  24. Re:D'OH! by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A good point, if poorly executed.

    The cynic in me is wondering: What if this was a Microsoft ploy. Everyone said Google was bidding to drive the price up for MS... what if MS was only feigning interest so that google would drop 3 Gigabills on something that is pretty much blocked to hell and back by anyone with clue.

  25. Re:Sad to say, but by bberens · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree. The price is so high not because Doubleclick's advertising is so high, but because Google wanted to pick them up before Microsoft or some other advertising company bought/merged with them. It might have been expensive, but if you're looking to monopolize the online advertising market, no price is too high to sweep the feet out from under competitors.

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  26. Official Google Blog Announcement by slashdotusername · · Score: 2, Informative
  27. They did it to change DoubleClick by slashdotusername · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Official FAQ for the announcement claims that they did this because "Our goal is to make advertising on the internet work better: better for users with less intrusive ads and better privacy protection, better for advertisers with greater accountability and effectiveness, and better for publishers with improved monetization and cleaner site integration." In other words, they thought DoubleClick was intrusive, but they're too nice to say it.

  28. Re:D'OH! by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... its because of their new motto - "Do no evil - buy it wholesale instead".

    I don't know anyone who doesn't block doubleclick.

  29. New slogan for the Doubleclick division... by heretic108 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ..."Advertise no evil"

    Hope so. But then again, I hope for world peace as well.

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  30. Re:D'OH! by packeteer · · Score: 4, Funny

    I dont know anyone who doesn't block either BUT to be fair I generally only know smart educated people.

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  31. Re:D'OH! by rm69990 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You post on Slashdot so you probably don't know too many people in the first place :-P

    In reality though, I know a lot of people who didn't even have a pop-up blocker until it was finally added to Internet Explorer. Blocking ads on web pages? I don't know a single non-geek who has an adblocker installed. If they're not interested, they just ignore them.

  32. Re:Holy crap by pacalis · · Score: 3, Insightful
    No, consumer privacy is the loser.


    Is the google's share of online ad market large enough to warrant a Justice investigation?

  33. Re:D'OH! by rm69990 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    something that is pretty much blocked to hell and back by anyone with clue.

    You mean 1% of the population? Outside of my household, I haven't seen a single ad-blocker installed on anyone's computer. Most people just ignore the ads.

    Doubleclick is still making hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue every year, so they clearly still have a viable business model, however evil you think it is.

  34. Hosting by |/|/||| · · Score: 2, Funny
    And when are they going to pay me? I've been hosting doubleclick for years.

    127.0.0.1 doubleclick.net

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  35. Re:D'OH! by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Now $300-$500 million might be more acceptable.

    Based on your careful due diligence, no doubt. Or is that just some number you pulled out of your ass that "seems more reasonable" to you.
    So what you think happened? Google called them up, got a quote of 3.1 Billion, and said "OK, if that's what you think it's worth."?

  36. Re:So now... by Pausanias · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Pretty soon yahoo and such will move from storing their ads on ads.yahoo/com/ad/ad.jpg to yahoo.com/$RANDOMSTRING.jpg. That way you won't be able to block them using filters unless you also want to block all images from that site. Which would be kind of annoying, especially if they stored their email interface graphics in the same format.

    Hasn't happened yet though... six years ago when I started blocking ads I thought it would become inevitable.

  37. Re:D'OH! by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Informative

    They traded stock for YouTube, they paid cash for DoubleClick.

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  38. That's nothing by MechaShiva · · Score: 2, Funny
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  39. a vicious regress by sidemouse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you can't be evil, buy 'em.

  40. Re:Sad to say, but by Prune · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Are you shitting me? Google's tracking is far more nefarious. I quote another post from this thread by an Anonymous Coward:

    Google ad sense operates on a different level...using cookies is just part of the game. Via IP pingbacks, toolbar tracking, and account identification, users may unkowningly be giving out alot more data than they realize.

    Say for instance that you use Gmail. or any Google service that requires login. Google can track you via that login to each site you visit that has a google ad (70% of the net from what I understand). See, doubleclick never had this part of the equation...they never had account info. Google can tie your IPs, usernames, email content, and web browsing activity...and you can't do jack about it (short of blocking the google scripts themselves). Even without login account info, Google has the ability to track your individual machine via IP pingbacks. If you nav to page one, the google ad gets your exposed ip, then the next page you visit that has a google ad...yep..that ip is used to track that navigation. No cookie needed. Of course, if your behind a firewall, only the firewall ip would get exposed. But still...do you really want to give anyone that much information about you?

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  41. Well do ya click, punk? by FormOfActionBanana · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do you click on the ads?

    You know you're not doing your blogger any favors if you don't click through, and buy something.

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  42. Re:Holy crap by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Funny

    $ cat /etc/hosts

    127.0.0.1 localhost mymachine
    127.0.1.1 mymachine
    127.0.0.1 *.google.com
    127.0.0.1 *.doubleclick.*

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  43. Re:D'OH! by DohnJoe · · Score: 2, Funny

    They traded stock for YouTube, they paid cash for DoubleClick. DoubleClick also asked for the money to be transferred in black satchel bags, using unmarked, 100 dollar bills.
  44. Ad blocking will turn Bayesian, like spam blocking by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 2
    The only reason why you haven't seen Yahoo start jumping through these sorts of hoops is because it would be a move in a pointless arms race. Spammers have thought of these techniques and more, and they are still losing the war against the user with a good spam blocker (like the one in Gmail). If ad companies raise the ante like you suggest, there are obvious responses, like looking at the image size and maybe headers for telltale signs of slime. Image placement on a page might also give something away. Even if there is a random string in the URL, a simple Bayesian filter would recognize that, provided that Yahoo's legit images don't have this random string in the URL.

    I don't think anyone wants to take this step forward in the arms race. Once ad filters get Bayesian, it's only a matter of time that techniques developed for spam filtering will be used to find and refuse to display text ads. Then Capitalism collapses.

  45. Re:Holy crap by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, consumer privacy is the loser.

    We already lost when we started thinking of ourselves as "consumers" instead of "citizens" or "people." Whether Google bought DoubleClick or not, that wouldn't change.

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