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Obama Requests Creative Commons for Presidential Debates

Presidential hopeful Barack Obama recently submitted a letter to the DNC asking for the Presidential debates to be licensed under the Creative Commons. This move would give everyone the freedom to share, recut, and edit the debates as they wish. "I am a strong believer in the importance of copyright, especially in a digital age. But there is no reason that this particular class of content needs the protection. We have incentive enough to debate. The networks have incentive enough to broadcast those debates. Rather than restricting the product of those debates, we should instead make sure that our democracy and citizens have the chance to benefit from them in all the ways that technology makes possible."

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  1. Good for him by ohearn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is definately something I can stand behind regardless of which party it comes from.

    1. Re:Good for him by Lumpy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So that means you support him Stealing a webpage/myspace page and screwing the guy that put all his work into it as well?

      Do not forget one important fact, He is a politician, and every word out of his mouth needs to be treated as suspect.

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    2. Re:Good for him by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "This is definately something I can stand behind regardless of which party it comes from."

      I have to 2nd that!! I'm still VERY open minded to this next election...and this just put a big "+" mark next to his name so far.

      Anything that starts to 'buck' the system a little I'm for. I thought I'd heard that MSNBC? was covering the debates, and was trying very hard to lock in all the content to themselves where no one could really publish parts of it, etc. The debates are (should be) and important part of the US public's decision making, and should therefore be completely free for use and analysis by the general public as they see fit.

      You know...I've heard it say that the govt. takes your freedoms a little piece at a time. Well, maybe it works in reverse too? Every little thing that helps change the old party way/style in the elections, helps break the grip and open it up more to change......and I'm all for that.

      If we could next somehow blow away the primary system for something else more open...we might be able to someday get actual GOOD candidates to the elections, rather than the predestined crap we seem to get from the parties which is largely decided either in advance, or apparently by the early primaries that seem to hold nothing in common with the majority of the US.

      But, that's another story....start with baby steps....baby steps.....

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    3. Re:Good for him by God'sDuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Parent angry? Yes. Troll, no.

      I'm miffed at Obama's crew for their action as well -- not that they took over the profile, but that they did it in a hurry, without coming to some sort of agreement with the guy. Heck -- they even could have offered him a prime spot in the campaign if they wanted to. I still think I'd vote for Obama if the election were tomorrow....but a poor show all around, really. I hope they at least try to make it right with him, rather than steamrolling on.

    4. Re:Good for him by cgenman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What does that have to do with standing behind the request for creative commons?

      Good people do bad things. Bad people do good things. That doesn't change the action itself, or whether or not we should get behind it.

    5. Re:Good for him by Drachemorder · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm not a Democrat by any stretch and it would generally take quite a lot of convincing for me to vote for one. But, prior to the MySpace fiasco, I thought pretty highly of Obama. Even though I disagree with him on the vast majority of issues, I thought he was a man of principle who had the ability to engage in reasonable discourse to arrive at solutions that most people could live with. The incident with MySpace, however, made me rethink that opinion. If he's willing to viciously beat down one of his biggest supporters for a stinking MySpace page, I certainly hold out no hope that he would treat his political opponents any better.

    6. Re:Good for him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "So that means you support him Stealing a webpage/myspace page and screwing the guy that put all his work into it as well?"

      How would you feel if I decided that from here on out, I'm going to become Lumpy, and speak for you in place of you on Slashdot? Don't worry, I'll surely put "hard work" into protecting your name and making sure everything you say is correctly represented here... I'm certain I won't leave anything out, or get paid to trash your name, I'll be nice and benevolent, I promise.

      So how about it?

    7. Re:Good for him by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So that means you support him Stealing a webpage/myspace page and screwing the guy that put all his work into it as well?

      That guy named a site after a well-known person and attempted to hold it ransom for much more than it was worth. The guy didn't have a right to Obama's name. He also didn't have a right to force himself into the campaign as he attempted. Note that only the link - barack obama's name - got transferred, the idiot still has his page. He deserves what he got. If you don't want your site to be transferred, don't name it after a public figure. If this had been a registrar issue the result would have been no different.

      For disclosure, I will not be voting for Obama, but this whole crapstorm over a story that boils down to little more than the old squat/extort trick doesn't deserve the legs it has.

    8. Re:Good for him by popeyethesailor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good people do bad things. Bad people do good things. That doesn't change the action itself, or whether or not we should get behind it.
      Offtopic, but there are no "good" or "bad" people - only their actions are qualified as such.
    9. Re:Good for him by Ngarrang · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It seems like an empty gesture to me. Do the politicians actually answer any questions these days? The last few debates I have watched, the answers were to poorly constructed, or circular, or not an answer at all, as to make the point of debates in this modern day needless.

      Ask them a simple question, and get a complex non-answer.

      So, props to Obama for trying to look like a progressive to those who cannot see through such ploys for voter support.

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    10. Re:Good for him by tbannist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What exactly is the fiasco? He (or his campaign staff) decided he didn't want to buy a myspace channel for $50,000. On the flip side of "stealing" from the guy who registered the myspace page in his name without his permission, he's a politician who chose not to squander $50,000. If he had bought it, the same political trolls who are crying about him ripping this guy off would be crying how "Obama wasted $50,000 on a myspace page".

      This appears to be a simple case of "Sorry, your price is too high", unless someone can actually give a cogent (and truthful) reason why anyone should care.

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    11. Re:Good for him by rmckeethen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That guy named a site after a well-known person and attempted to hold it ransom for much more than it was worth. The guy didn't have a right to Obama's name. He also didn't have a right to force himself into the campaign as he attempted. Note that only the link - barack obama's name - got transferred, the idiot still has his page. He deserves what he got. If you don't want your site to be transferred, don't name it after a public figure. If this had been a registrar issue the result would have been no different.

      I think you're missing a few key points:

      • The 'guy', Joe Anthony, didn't name his site after Barak Obama. Everyone seems to agree that he created the site in support of Obama, which is why this isn't even remotely like your standard cyper-squatting case.
      • In point of fact, Anthony never tried to force himself or his MySpace page on anyone -- the campaign came to him, first requesting, then demanding control of a site Anthony created on his own dime.
      • If public finger-pointing and accusations from your candidate's campaign staff are what you expect after providing two years of grassroots support on MySpace, than I suppose you're right; Joe Anthony got what he deserved.

      I doubt we'll ever know exactly what went on behind closed doors in this situation, but one thing seems clear -- Barak Obama's campaign made a huge mistake in letting this affair become public. No matter how you shake it, Obama has lost some of the squeaky-clean public image he enjoyed before this debacle. Obama's requesting liberal copyright policies for future presidential debates isn't going to fix the public relations issue his campaign created this week, and I suspect he'll be spending a lot more than $50k on damage control over the whole Joe Anthony/MySpace issue.

    12. Re:Good for him by Omestes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More like "your price is too high, and thus I am going to steal it from you with dubious means and no negotiation".

      Thats what gets me, is that discourse was never an option. It was just "I want it, and I will have it". Yes the guy who made the page asked an unacceptably high amount for the page, but still does not justify the Obama campaigns actions. I think Obama could have lived without "ownership" of the MySpace page, and thus resisted ALL headlines about his spending, or lack thereof. The page was in competent hands, and the campaign could still manipulate people using the page (they had full access). The status-quo was not broken. Obama's campaign just want COMPLETE control over everything dealing with their candidate, which I find more frightening than the MySpace ordeal itself.

      As for the registering in his name bit; we must remember that this page is OLD, it wasn't spurred by Obama running for president, but by Obama originally running for senate, meaning this was a local thing and not some big hijacking thing.

      I do wonder how much of this actually involves Obama himself, though, and how much is just an over-zealous campaign manager. At what level was this whole thing initiated.

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    13. Re:Good for him by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But, prior to the MySpace fiasco

      I do not think that word means what you think it means. Fucking up a "cakewalk" land war is a fiasco. Calling a minority a racist name, getting caught on video, and subsequently losing a previously easy election is a fiasco. Soliciting underage boys online and having everyone know about is a fiasco. Lying under oath and then getting caught is a fiasco. This is more like a scuffle.

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    14. Re:Good for him by inca34 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And how comfortable would you feel having someone else, with whom you are not affiliated in any way, run a MySpace page that presumes to be you? If that happened to me you had best understand that I would consider it nothing less than identity theft and a gross invasion of privacy. And I have no doubts that my good friend Tom would help me resolve the situation.

      Is the Obama MySpace incident a reason to not vote for him? Absolutely not. Is it something that could have been done better? Yes, without question. It is nowhere near the order of magnitude of say, GW's business track record, which IS relevant voting information IMHO. Speaking of relevant information for voting, this is it:
      http://www.ontheissues.org/2008_Speculation.htm

    15. Re:Good for him by StrawberryFrog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Obama does not own the myspace.com/barackobama url any more than he owns en.wikipedia.com/Barack_Obama.

      Debatable. I would expect the wikipedia page to be content about Barack Obama, and the myspace one to be content from Barack Obama. Those two sites work differently, you can't equate them so easily.

      The campaign simply wanted the address.

      yes, because that's where you'd expect to find, you known: Barack Obama on myspace.

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    16. Re:Good for him by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 3, Insightful
      This is definately something I can stand behind regardless of which party it comes from.

      So then is it correct to infer that on some issues you may reject an otherwise reasonable position simply because it comes from the "wrong" party?

    17. Re:Good for him by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The guy was cybersquatting. He wanted half the price of a house plus a high-paying staffer job. It's not supporting a candidate; it's blackmailing a candidate.

      Could the Obama campaign have handled it more gracefully? Obviously. But I don't have the slightest bit of sympathy for a person who creates a site ostensibly to support a candidate, and then tries to use it to leach the candidate out of as much money as he can.

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    18. Re:Good for him by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uh...no? He didn't create a new page, he got mySpace to hand the old page over to him. By your analogy it's more like asking for the price on a house, balking at it and getting the government to claim it as needed for a park or something then give it to you for no price. (Oh and by the way, someone else did the calculations. 32 cents per friend is not a lot of money AT ALL for a political campaign, they wanted the mySpace and needed a good excuse for taking it so they asked for a price and said he was money grabbing)

      Now then, back on topic, this is actually a pretty good move. While I really don't pay much attention to the debates I'm sure this'll open up more quoting and stuff online so I can catch the good parts. Not a bad move really.

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    19. Re:Good for him by sg3235 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please tell me that at what point the person who created the sire acted like an ass?

      was it when he devoted years of his time for free? Was it when he said he would maintain it for free? or when he volunteered to be part of the staff for free?
      or was it when he wanted a paltry some for years of work?
      I'd say it was when he wanted to be paid for something he was supposedly doing for free. Your sentences don't make sense to me...first you want to hold the guy up for doing all of this stuff for free, when in fact, he wanted paid for it.
  2. Brilliant... Maybe by cyphercell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If he truly beleives he is the best man for the position, then opening the debates is brilliant. If however this would easily back fire in a matter of weeks, as opponents grab at the documents and hack away. Either way I think it's a pretty good idea for a democracy. So long as the originals are preserved for reference.

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  3. Check by Threni · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok, that's the `keep the nerds happy with something to do with copyright` box checked.

    Wake me up when he declares that he'll see to overturning the absurd patent laws should the US electorate vote a black guy into power.

  4. Actually, it might help if the networks say 'No' by ip_freely_2000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A situation like this may force a more serious, mainstream debate if the networks were to dig their heels in. I think the problem with DRM, IP and copyright is the fact is that there has not been a situation like this that the public as a whole can really understand. So here's to hoping we take one step back to take two steps forward.

  5. Re:i'm conservative, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... but you'll vote for McCain or Guliani? That's hardly conservative.

  6. Re:w00t by faloi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'll believe he "gets it" when he goes back to some of his big donors in the entertainment industry and starts asking them to consider backing initiatives that support consumer rights and fair use. Until then, this isn't much more than a publicity stunt.

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  7. Re:Interesting. by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes... but the debate participates set the rules of the debate and negotiate.. so.. if the democrats say "we won't debate unless the video is CCed... then that is a good incentive to CC the content... As for the Presidential debates... the candidates have even more power to set the copyright standards on those.

  8. Good first step, but let's see more. by laughingcoyote · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not convinced he's not just "throwing a bone" here. How about a campaign promise to veto any copyright extensions or new restrictions that come across his desk? To work to scale back the DMCA, and work the Mickey Mouse Copyright Extension Act back to a genuinely, realistically "limited time", like the Constitution requires? To ensure that if the Internet streaming royalty increases go into effect, he'll work toward scaling them back? It's a nice thought and a good idea, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not much. If this is to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than promise to release one thing, he needs to be willing to take on the deep-pocket content industry, and in doing so, ensure that their bribes^Wcampaign contributions will go to the other side. Otherwise, it makes no real difference.

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  9. Re:i'm conservative, but ... by danpsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not being from US, I don't wholly understand this attitude of "I am (insert political mindset), therefore I am voting for (insert associated candidate)". Is this a common behavior?

    Ah what you don't get. See, in this country, parties are like football teams. You pick your favorite and defend their bad decisions (play calls) until the end. Even in the face of overwhelming defeat and obvious bias in the referee's calls and penalties, you defend your team until the end. Cuz if you don't have a team, you are a bandwagon jumper! So you must pick your preconceived ideology and vote strictly based on that, despite the value of the actual candidates.

    You've just realized one of the fundamental flaws of this America's government system.

    Political candidates shouldn't be "enemies", they should have opposing viewpoints. The candidate who wins the most arguments should win the debate. But this is America, so all of that logic flies out the window and in the newly ajar window the "political pundits" come in and confuse everyone into thinking that each side did equally well. So that we can continue to believe there are two versions of the truth, and the only difference is which side you are rooting for.

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  10. Why does it need to be broadcast at all? by michaelmalak · · Score: 1, Insightful
    A reprise of my comment from a week ago that was modded "Troll":

    Who cares about NBC when there is YouTube?

    Here we have a broadcaster willing to broadcast the debate to the entire universe for FREE: YouTube. I blame the political parties for giving exclusive license to a twentieth century media outlet. But that's not the worst of their evils -- that would be excluding candidates who want to uphold the Constitution, such as Ron Paul.

    As it turns out, though, Ron Paul did make it to the Reagan Library last night after all, and is now scoring third place in Drudge's poll.
  11. Re:i'm conservative, but ... by Anivair · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's not a trap, it's called being minimally observant.

    I agree that conservative should not = religious nut job, but that's irrelevant. I'm sure there are plenty of nice moderate guys in the KKK but the guys in charge are wackos, and as a result anyone who supports their organization is supporting hate filled whack jobs and the same applies here. Until the conservatives in this country grow a pair and get someone other than a fundie cretin in charge of their political party, the game is still over and conservative might as well be the same as religious nut job. Because it's the religious nut jobs at the top making all the decisions and the fact that you are probably a nice reasonable conservative doesn't make them saner.

  12. Re:i'm conservative, but ... by Theaetetus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The same way there are lots of liberals that don't think choice means allowing abortions 9 months into a pregnancy.
    You do know that elective abortions in the third trimester are illegal and have always been, right?

    Let me repeat: no one just "decides" to get an abortion nine months into a pregnancy. Even 8 or 7. Again, no one says, "oh, I hadn't made up my mind until now, and just decided to get an abortion." This is documented and figures are freely available online. There has not ever been an elective abortion that late.

    Now, on the other hand, there are very rare abortions performed that late when the fetus is hydroencephalic and has a cranium filled with water and swollen up to the size of a watermelon. The fetus is brain dead, and if left to continue to swell, would kill the mother. This is exceedingly rare, but the only safe way to remove the fetus is D&E. You can do a C-section, but that's major surgery - it involves actually lifting the intestines up out of the body and putting them on the chest so that you can get to the uterus underneath. Scary shiat.

    So, just drop the whole "those indecisive women" meme. It's stupid, dishonest, and is 100% wrong.
  13. Re:i'm conservative, but ... by Sancho · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Abortion comes down to whether or not you feel that the fetus is a human being, deserving of all of the rights and privileges that all human beings have. If you believe this to be true, then abortion is murder, and should be treated as such. If you don't believe that the fetus is a human, then there is no good reason to ban abortion.

    Don't think that all people who are against abortion want to take away the choices of other people. They have a fundamental difference in perception of the fetus, which leads them to this belief. To them, the assertion that "You're trying to take away a person's right to choose." is equivalent to saying, "You're trying to take away a person's right to randomly shoot people on the street." It's murder, to pro-lifers.

  14. Re:Or not--or not again! by joshsnow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps most importantly, he knows what to say--just look at the excitement that has built up around somehow who's been in national politics for two years.

    As a non-USian, I have to wonder how much of that is due to the Bush effect. When Bush took over from Clinton a massive conversational vacuum seemed to open up - a chasm of non-communication and verbal gaff. Not to take away from Obama, but Bush would make almost anyone sound good.

  15. Re:A Candidate Not of the People by tbannist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sorry, if I don't care that much. I read the story and when you ignore the sensationalizing, it's pretty mundane. The volunteer decided the campaign was taking advantage of him because they weren't paying him for the site, the campaign decided the volunteer was trying to take advantage of them because he was demanding to be paid.

    While I think this could have been handled more deftly, I generally require more than one minor public disagreement before writing someone off.

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  16. Re:i'm conservative, but ... by Cornflake917 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's generally their religious beliefs that leads them to the conclusion that abortion is murder. Pro-lifers trying to make abortion illegal under the idea that their religion tells them it's murder is the equivalent of them telling everyone else , "My religious beliefs are superior to yours, so we have the right to take freedom of choice from you."

    Abortion isn't the only thing that various religions equate to murder. Should all of those actions/thoughts be illegal too?

  17. Re:i'm conservative, but ... by Jerf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You pick your favorite and defend their bad decisions (play calls) until the end.... You've just realized one of the fundamental flaws of this America's government system.
    No, that's not how it works, and it's trivially provable and obvious.

    That's how it works for the people who speak up, post on the internet, etc. That's always how it works. Few people are assertive enough to post on the internet while not holding a position so strongly that almost no conceivable evidence will change their mind. Those that do are generally ignored, because they do things like talk about the good counterarguments, which is far more boring than spewing bile and invective every which way. This is even stronger on TV since only the most "interesting" handful of people can own a show.

    But if what you're saying was actually true, then every election would turn out effectively the same, regardless of the candidates, and that is not how it works. States swing back and forth, and while the last couple of Presidential campaigns may have been close to 50%, there's been radical alterations in the makeup of Congress in the meantime.

    If what you are saying was true, then the Republicans would still control Congress. Obviously, this is not true.

    This is one of those cases where cynicism of the system blinds you to the truth. Some cynicism is good, but you need to be careful with it. You need to look at all of the evidence, not just the evidence jumping up and down demanding to be heard or that reinforces your cynicism, and consider whether the obvious consequences of some claimed truth are coming true.
  18. Re:i'm conservative, but ... by Jerf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree that liberal should not = nut job, but that's irrelevant. I'm sure there are plenty of nice moderate guys in ANSWER but the guys in charge are wackos, and as a result anyone who supports their organization is supporting hate filled whack jobs and the same applies here. Until the liberals in this country grow a pair and evict the fascist whackos who won't be happy until total thought policing is implemented for The Cause, the game is still over and liberals might as well be the same as religious nut job. Because it's the religious nut jobs (a "secular" religion, but other than the lack of a "God" there's not much difference... and there are often God-like proxies like "Gaia") at the top making all the decisions and the fact that you are probably a nice reasonable liberal doesn't make them saner.

    (Recall the frequent observation that extreme leftist and extreme rightism often merge indistinguishably into each other. I can find liberal whackjobs too; what does that prove about you?)

  19. Re:i'm conservative, but ... by gfxguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's ridiculous - we can say the same thing about any group at all, you can condemn all Muslims "until they grow a pair" and kick out all the "fundies", and then I can certainly condemn liberals for the likes of Ted "back stabbing" Kennedy and Nancy "the happy socialist" Pelosi.

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