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Xbox 360 Spring 2007 Dashboard Update Hands-On

Posted by Zonk on from the no-red-rings-please dept.

Engadget writes "Well, that Xbox 360 Spring 2007 Dashboard update did land at about 2:00AM PST as expected, and brought with it a few fun features we were hot to test out -- but none more than the Xbox's expanded video playback capabilities. We were able to play back 720p and even 1080p MPEG-4 and H.264 content on our Xbox 360. Technically speaking the Xbox 360 now officially beats out the Apple TV in the digital video arena, both in resolution and bitrate. (At best the ATV only does up to 720p at 5Mbps, while the Xbox does 1080p up to 10Mbps; neither supports higher than stereo audio.) In other words, if you're an Xbox owner thinking about an Apple TV for playing back video in your living room, you might want to think again."

88 comments

  1. What about DivX? by MBraynard · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Does it have all of the codecs needed to play the DivX (.avi) stuff I have on my puter?

    I really like being able to stream stuff off of my PC to my TV, but it only likes WMA pre-update.

    1. Re:What about DivX? by wilsonthecat · · Score: 3, Informative

      transcode 360 does this, although the project hasn't been updated for sometime.

      http://runtime360.com/projects/transcode-360/

      The problem is rewind/forwarding doesn't work too well.

    2. Re:What about DivX? by blackmonday · · Score: 2, Informative

      No Divx, either on disc or streamed. I hated the streaming features anyway, the rewind/forward is a pain. Get a cheap DVD player that supports DIVX, I have an Oppo but there are cheaper options, I think Philips makes one. Burn your files on a DVD/CD or copy to memory stick and watch, with much better responsiveness.

    3. Re:What about DivX? by Is0m0rph · · Score: 1

      I have an RCA upconverting DVD recorder and it fully supports DIVX files off cd/dvd/usb memory stick. Also plays WMV, MPG, etc. I'd rather just stick a DVD full of DIVX files in it then mess with the Xbox 360. I did use XBMC on my old xbox to stream video quite a bit before I replaced it with the 360.

    4. Re:What about DivX? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The update does NOT support the AVI container, so even if the update did support DivX/XviD most people only have those formats in .avi files.

    5. Re:What about DivX? by skobar · · Score: 1

      Normally any extension could be used if the format is supported but I guess the 360 check the extension before checking if the format is supported.

    6. Re:What about DivX? by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      Point is, the format isn't supported. MPEG-4 in a .MP4 container != MPEG-4 in an .AVI/.DivX container.

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    7. Re:What about DivX? by cptgrudge · · Score: 2, Informative

      You know, the streaming performance would be a lot better if they just allowed native decoding through codecs on the 360, instead of us needing these damn hacks to transcode a simple file. For fuck's sake, we're being shoehorned into Microsoft's own little locked in world. Transcoding? What really grinds my gears is that it's so unecessary; there are just these artificial blocks set in our way by Microsoft.

      XBMC on the original XBox has ruined any of the flaccid, crippled media functionality that Microsoft has deemed "appropriate" for us. The setup I have operates at a tenth of the hardware and software cost with ten times the functionality when compared to that which Microsoft has cooked up. Microsoft's attempts at wringing every last bit of money out of the consumer, while sorely lacking any sort of courage to support more media types that might offend the "content producers", has completely turned me off to the 360. Even to the point of me thinking less of the video games and the product as a whole, because the crippling is so blatant.

      Why would I use Microsoft's lacking product, when I could just get something like this, and stream my media at will? I've put XBMC in three times already in other peoples' houses, and it's kept them from getting a 360.

      Bloody hell Microsoft, get with the program.

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    8. Re:What about DivX? by MBraynard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft's attempts at wringing every last bit of money out of the consumer, while sorely lacking any sort of courage to support more media types that might offend the "content producers", has completely turned me off to the 360.

      I know you want to be angry about something, and MS looks like a good target for your anger, but let me assure you that this is NOT MS's choice and if they could legally give you the codec they would. Perhaps be angry at the content producers. Note that MS is in the business of making money - and no one is making money doing what you mention - XBMC is a FREE program. So look to FREE PROGRAMS to solve the 360 limitations - and it looks like it's been done.

    9. Re:What about DivX? by cptgrudge · · Score: 2, Informative

      Note that MS is in the business of making money - and no one is making money doing what you mention - XBMC is a FREE program.

      I understand that MS is in the business of making money, and I applaud it. They are certainly doing right by their shareholders. I'm sure they did a cost benefit analysis and came up with the setup that they offer as the one that can leverage the most money. But because of the way they have done it, there are four instances (that I personally know of) where potential consumers have skipped the 360 because it didn't do what XBMC could do. Instead, they will probably get Wiis all around.

      This situation can't be unique, but I'm not sure how prevalent it is; I don't know the numbers. If MS had included the functionality of XBMC within the 360, codecs and all, I'd wager that they would have dominated the living room. Would that have been worth more? We may never know.

      And yeah, I'm kinda angry, cause if I want a next-gen system, now I need two boxes to do what it took one to do before. I won't be pissed anymore when/if a decent softmod surfaces for the 360. I might pick one up at that point, if I don't have something else.

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    10. Re:What about DivX? by Sundawn · · Score: 1

      well i dont see the point in playing last-gen-video on next-gen-systems.
      divx is supported by any sub 50$ dvd player. most people have a dvd player anyway and using the 360 is generally a "noisy" idea.

      if you want a multimedia-jack-of-all-trades - build it - or wait till 360 or ps3 get hacked decently and run homebrew... or maybe someone (ms or sony) decides to offically release a usb-dongle-thingy or so to enable multimedia-overkill.

    11. Re:What about DivX? by CaseM · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm missing something, but how would not crippling the 360 media center be a blow to the content producers? Are you saying they can't legally give us a the free xVid codec? If you're claiming that by doing so they (MS) are advocating piracy, then I direct your attention to the built-in MP3 codec on the 360 - supporting arguably the single most pirated type of file in the world.

      But since we're talking about DivX, I'm quite sure that Microsoft could open up the 360 slightly to allow for different codecs to be downloaded/uploaded to it for a fee. I'd pay $10 for a license to play DivX movies on my 360 were that choice offered to me.

    12. Re:What about DivX? by DaveCBio · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of licensing and support? Those are 2 things MS would have to deal with if they put native DivX and such on the 360. If they allowed people to upload their own CODECs it would be a support nightmare.

    13. Re:What about DivX? by cptgrudge · · Score: 1

      I never said that they need to let people upload their own codecs. How is licensing and supporting DivX any different than doing the same for MPEG-4 and H.264?

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    14. Re:What about DivX? by DaveCBio · · Score: 1

      Open standard CODEC != proprietary variations. If you want to use DivX officially you have to pay a licensing fee.

    15. Re:What about DivX? by cptgrudge · · Score: 1

      So? Do the manufacturers of the 70 million consumer devices that support DivX somehow know something MS doesn't?

      Licensing costs aren't all that much in the long run. What if it would help them sell half a million more 360 units? And even two or three games were sold for each of those? Costs would be recouped in a hurry. If I could connect to a simple Windows/Samba share and play DivX/XviD content, I'd buy one today. As it is, I'm not compelled by it over other options, so I'll wait for the best system to emerge. I just can't see the "it would cost too much" argument; they obviously want to leverage other products at the same time, so they have intentionally ignored certain possibilities.

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    16. Re:What about DivX? by DaveCBio · · Score: 1

      I doubt very much they "ignored" anything. It's hilarious how pundits on Slashdot always assume that they are so much smarter than anyone that works at Microsoft simply because they don't agree with something Microsoft does. I would assume they didn't want to pay the fee and they wanted to push their own media format just like Sony did with Blu-Ray on the PS3.

    17. Re:What about DivX? by cptgrudge · · Score: 1

      I would assume they didn't want to pay the fee and they wanted to push their own media format just like Sony did with Blu-Ray on the PS3.

      That's pretty much what I just said!

      "they obviously want to leverage other products at the same time, so they have intentionally ignored certain possibilities."

      Windows Media is one of their products.

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  2. Does not brick modified 360s by Durrok · · Score: 2, Informative

    This update also does not appear to do any harm if you have a modified 360. Felt like I was playing Russian Roulette while I was updating though...

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    1. Re:Does not brick modified 360s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS has a history of delayed banning modified consoles so I wouldn't exactly be celebrating just yet....

    2. Re:Does not brick modified 360s by SilentChris · · Score: 1

      The question is why you need a modified 360 anymore if it pretty much plays all the video formats one would need in a media player box?

    3. Re:Does not brick modified 360s by Durrok · · Score: 2, Informative

      To play pirated games or game backups.

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    4. Re:Does not brick modified 360s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to boot gentoox you trolling fool

    5. Re:Does not brick modified 360s by SilentChris · · Score: 1

      ...never had a situation where I needed to use a backup. Must be only pirated games then.

      In that case, Microsoft really should ban you.

    6. Re:Does not brick modified 360s by Durrok · · Score: 1

      I have had many reasons to do backups of games I own but the main reason is to play pirated games and they would be in their right to ban me. However they have not and I have saved enough money pirating games to get 2 xbox 360s so if it ever does come about I'm still money ahead.

      You can rest easy knowing your 360 will continue to work until Microsoft bricks it trying to catch me :)

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  3. Right... by suv4x4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In other words, if you're an Xbox owner thinking about an Apple TV for playing back video in your living room, you might want to think again.

    Raise your hands everybody who has Xbox and was "thinking about an Apple TV for playing back video". Anyone? Anyone...?

    In the same line of constructing long sentences that convey no additional information at ALL:

    If you're a calculator owner who was thinking of calculating the square root of a 10 digit number with a pen and paper, you may want to think again.

    If you're a car owner who has to travel 40 miles every day to work and thought walking foot, you may want to think again.

    If you're a wrist watch owner and you want to stop random people asking them what's the time on the street anyway, you may want to think again. ...

    1. Re:Right... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 3, Funny

      /raises hand. I went as far as ordering an Apple TV unit and then I sent it back. OK, so maybe I was the only one.

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    2. Re:Right... by furball · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Raise your hands everybody who has Xbox and was "thinking about an Apple TV for playing back video". Anyone? Anyone...?


      If Xbox could play my iTunes content, sure. Unfortunately, it doesn't. So I own an ATV along my Xbox. And countless other consoles.
    3. Re:Right... by LordNimon · · Score: 1

      Raise your hands everybody who has Xbox and was "thinking about an Apple TV for playing back video". Anyone? Anyone...?

      I was.

      The only desktop computers in my house are older Macs, so they're unsuitable for playing games. Even so, my 19" monitor can't compare to my 80" projection TV, so I got an Xbox 360. Unfortunately, it supports only a couple video formats. When I heard about Apple TV, I thought it might be a good addition; that is, until I found out about the iTunes limitation. So now, I just use VisualHub to convert any videos I download into WMV format and watch them on my Xbox 360. But it would be nice if I didn't have to do even that.

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    4. Re:Right... by EctoZombie · · Score: 1

      Actually, you can play iTunes content on ones xbox with Connect360 on a mac (except for protected tracks bought from the Apple Store, and no idea about what you'd do on a windows box). And I too was thinking of getting an AppleTV until I heard that this update would support .mp4 files so I held off.

    5. Re:Right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Low-end HTPCs are far better and more flexible than any console (PS2, XBMC, Xbox 360, PS3), standalone streamer (Apple TV, D-Link, etc.), or DVDP (Zensonic, Momitsu, LinkPlayer, etc). You are right to point out that a comparison between the Xbox 360 and the Apple TV is nonsense, but suggesting that the Xbox 360 is worth using for this application is also nonsense given the audience here. Worse yet are all the proponents of streamed transcoding.

      I can understand why most people don't just hook HTPCs up to their TVs. I can even understand why all the idiot big-name PC makers are so horrible at marketing them. What I don't get are why the supposed geeks of /. would support anything but.

    6. Re:Right... by tabby · · Score: 1

      I own a 360 & was using media center heavily & maintaining a seperate library for my video ipod. I bought an AppleTV when they came out & stopped using media center. Problem solved.

      So this update comes out & I think, hmmm, maybe I don't need this AppleTV thing anymore & can do the 'mac nano' with it. Hey maybe I could even go so far as replacing my iPod with a Zune(I do like the blue/black one). However the Zune software (required as the sharing component on the PC) has very poor library management & has no ability to edit meta-data. The UI on the 360 side is nice while watching video but the whole browsing & presentation while playing audio is very poor. Apple understands that a big part of consumer satisfaction is visually wowing your friends & other visitors with it. The whole 360 media experience is very underwhelming compared to what AppleTV can deliver if you take the trouble ensure that cover art is downloaded for your music & movies.

      The whole device setup is lame too.
      Zune/360/PC - I have a Zune library (music/video/pictures) of whatever I add to it & purchase from the Zune Marketplace(music only). I can view this on the PC, the Zune or on the 360. Then I have the 360 library (music/video) which I can only get stuff into by downloading it from Live or purchasing it from XBoxLive Marketplace. This content I can only watch on the 360. And the Zune device only supports 320x240 anyway.

      Compare this to iTunes/AppleTV/PC
      I have an iTunes library (music/video) of whatever I add to it & purchase from the iTunes store (music, audiobooks & video). I can view this on the PC, the iPod or on AppleTV. The iPod supports upto 640x480 video.

      Game Set & Match Apple.

      Also bear in mind that I don't live in the US so I don't have access to any of the store content except music/audiobooks on the iTunes store anyway of which I have purchases very little.

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  4. Messenger on the 360 by mikazo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My friends are annoyed enough when I don't reply to their MSN conversations while I'm playing games on my PC. Without the keyboard attachement on the 360 controller, it will take even longer to reply and will give me even more reason to ignore their messages. If I'm on the Xbox, it's to play games. If I want to have an MSN conversation, I'll go on my PC. The Windows Live Messenger addition just doesn't seem like something I'll use.

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    1. Re:Messenger on the 360 by ben0207 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, its something I'll use. Complaining about a free feature you may or may not use is somewhat pointless, don't you think?

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    2. Re:Messenger on the 360 by p0tat03 · · Score: 1

      You don't need the keyboard attachment... I have a USB keyboard (an Apple USB Keyboard no less...) hooked up to my 360 and it works great when I'm trying to IM someone.

    3. Re:Messenger on the 360 by prince_david · · Score: 1

      I bought a nice keyboard for like 7 bucks on newegg and it works great on the xbox360

    4. Re:Messenger on the 360 by Morinaga · · Score: 1

      Ok, no one else has said it yet...

      "You must be new here."

    5. Re:Messenger on the 360 by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      I guess next time Microsoft wants to add a free feature that you're not required to use, they should run it by Mikazo first to get the thumbs-up. After all, if Mikazo says he won't use it, there's really no point, right?

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    6. Re:Messenger on the 360 by LordNimon · · Score: 1

      Then turn it off. WLM support can be disabled separately from everything else, so you can continue sending messages to others on Xbox Live and no one using WLM will even know you're online.

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    7. Re:Messenger on the 360 by mikazo · · Score: 1

      Hey, I'm not complaining. I just see it as software bloat and won't end up using it. Power to all of you that want to IM on your 360.

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  5. Hmmm except by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Errr... that might be true, EXCEPT there's that one small detail you're overlooking. The XBOX 360 is as loud as a lawnmower, and the Apple TV is as quiet as a mouse.
    So, I'll just stick with the Apple TV thanks. My Xbox 360 is in the next room, behind closed doors, in a small wooden cabinet with one inch thick wood, and I can STILL hear it from my TV couch.

    1. Re:Hmmm except by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is my comment a trolling comment? I think it's a legitimate thing to say about the 360. I love mine actually -- it's the best gaming machine I've ever had. On the other hand, my chief complaint is that it's super noisy. Too noisy to have in the room while watching movies that's for sure.

    2. Re:Hmmm except by toejam316 · · Score: 1

      Hey man, are you dissing my lawn mower? I WONT TAKE THAT KIND OF INSULT! FIRE THE OVERHEATED 360'S! *I'm actually a happy 360 Owner, thus this isn't flamebait. Anyone who doesn't belive me can kick my ass at Gears of War.*

    3. Re:Hmmm except by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err..except you forgot the fact that not all Xbox 360's are loud. Many north americans have complained the fan noise in their 360's.
      The european version I have is silent when the DVD-drive is not in use. The fans are not noisy _at all_. Even when watching a regular DVD, the drive is silent, thats because the drive spins the disk at a low speed.

      When it comes to playing a game, thats where the turbine-sound from the DVD-drive kicks in :/

    4. Re:Hmmm except by LKM · · Score: 1

      Dunno, my brother's European 360 sounds like a jet plane taking off, with or without the DVD drive. Not sure what causes the difference in perception, maybe different fans, maybe room temperature, maybe difference in ambient noise, maybe just difference in how loud people think a console is. Personally, I think my PS3 is far, far too loud, but lots of people are okay with the PS3's noise level.

    5. Re:Hmmm except by iainl · · Score: 1

      My UK 360 sounds like a jet engine too, you're not the only one. I don't really know what posessed me to buy the HD-DVD drive; the image quality improvements are great, but the price in noise is too high.

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    6. Re:Hmmm except by DaveCBio · · Score: 1

      Except that it's not when it's not reading the DVD drive. Playing streamed video or XBLA games do not use the drive so it's very quiet. Also, do you play with the volume set to 1 out of 10? I play at a "normal" volume level and the only time I notice the drive noise is when I start a game and when I finish and go to the Dashboard and it spins down.

  6. What's that? No XviD? by MrPerfekt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'll stick with my AppleTV for streaming content that I actually have to my TV.

    I do love the actual GAMING features of the 360 update though. Finally, "powered off" downloads, yay.

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    1. Re:What's that? No XviD? by Comen · · Score: 1

      If they can do "powered off" downloads, then does that mean someone could access your XBOX camera even when the 360 is supposed to be off?
      I want to be able to spy on people in thier homes!

    2. Re:What's that? No XviD? by spideyct · · Score: 1

      As others have mentioned (but I will repeat, because depressingly few people know about it), you just need the free Transcode 360 app to watch any format not supported by the Xbox natively.
      http://runtime360.com/blog/
      TVersity is supposed to do the same thing, but I haven't used it.

      Try those out and see if you still need the AppleTV (did you keep your receipt?)

    3. Re:What's that? No XviD? by MrPerfekt · · Score: 1

      Transcoding is not a good option. Why should I peak out CPU on my workstation to send video 30 feet away to my TV? Just skip the extra cycles and loss of quality by playing many formats natively, like I can do with my AppleTV.

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  7. Simpsons did it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Latest XBox Live addition: A button which automatically says the word "FUCK" in whatever game you're playing, spamming it across everyone's screens and through their headsets.

    "Shut up! Shut up! Kiss my butt! Shut up! Go to hell! Go to hell!"
    "Dad, I promise you, I will never get tired of this." -- Bart's new toy, "Lisa the Greek"
  8. Now if only... by reanjr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now if only it would just read SMB shares...

  9. Editors, common! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Geez where are the editors? This is a MS product and I see no mention of BSoD or hardware failure or red rings of death or anything even remotely negative!

    Moreover it claims that an apple product is inferior to a MS product! OUTRAGEOUS!

    Where the hell am I? I thought this was slashdot.

    1. Re:Editors, common! by Applekid · · Score: 1

      "from the no-red-rings-please dept. "

      Yes, it is Slashdot. ;)

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  10. Try TVersity by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Informative

    Check out the TVersity audio/video server. It's pretty cool in that it's free (as in beer) and does transcode on the fly for the xbox 360. It will even do HD transcoding if your PC has the processing power. It's also a lot more stable than Windows Media Connect.

    1. Re:Try TVersity by bryansj · · Score: 1

      Too bad the Spring update broke TVersity. Hopefully it gets updated soon.

    2. Re:Try TVersity by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Looks like update is now available. I haven't tried it yet ...

  11. Uh-oh by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now you did it. You said something like "If you've got an Xbox 360, you should think twice about buying an AppleTV".

    Batten down the hatches. Last time someone said something negative about an Apple product, there were riots. I don't know about you, but I'm buying plastic sheeting and duct tape.

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  12. Streaming h264 from a Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have recently downloaded a few episodes of Heroes encoded with x264 at 720p. The container format however is Matroska (mkv). I was wonder, is it possible to stream this to my xbox360 using my macbook?

    I'm guessing the container format will be a problem, so I'll probably have to convert that somehow...

  13. Here's the secret... by MS-06FZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You ready for it? It's great stuff. Here you go...

    The secret is, not everyone here - not even all the Linux fans around here - is a pretentious prick.

    Really a wild idea, isn't it?

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  14. Xvid by skobar · · Score: 1

    There was some hints that xvid was going to be supported also? I don't see anything mentioning it. Was is included in the update?

    1. Re:Xvid by tepples · · Score: 1

      If Xvid can output MPEG-4 video (either ASP or H.264) in an MPEG-4 container, it should work except in those countries that recognize patents on algorithms.

  15. Re:But the Apple TV has no fans... by skobar · · Score: 1

    Get over it with the fan making a lot of noise. Yes it does, mine does too. But I don't really hear it when playing a game or watching a movie and I don't even crank the sound up.

  16. STILL no audio fast forward. by Dster76 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I applied the update at lunch.

    Still no way to scan (fast forward/rewind) within an audio track.

    What year is this?

    1. Re:STILL no audio fast forward. by Caffeinate · · Score: 1

      I believe (although I'm not at home to test this) that the 360 audio player works much like a CD player - holding down the track forward button will FF and track back will rewind.

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    2. Re:STILL no audio fast forward. by Dster76 · · Score: 1

      I believe (although I'm not at home to test this) that the 360 audio player works much like a CD player - holding down the track forward button will FF and track back will rewind. Wrong!

      Oh wait. Did you read this thread, and are trying to taunt me?

      Ah -- you posted to that thread. So, I guess you're being a bit of a joker. Good luck with that!
  17. Re:Latest XBox Live addition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you, ringbearer, for having worse karma than me. My comments are usually of the stream-of-consciousness not-really-benefiting-anyone type. Now I visit Slashdot sparingly and post anonymously, having retired from my celkin profile. Soon enough you might want to do the same.

  18. 1080P? by funkdancer · · Score: 1

    I thought it only did 1080I? Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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    1. Re:1080P? by MBraynard · · Score: 1

      The system itself got an update a while back that allowed 1080p.

    2. Re:1080P? by funkdancer · · Score: 1

      Ah, thanks. :) Actually checking this out, I see that this is the case but for analogue only i.e. no HDMI - unless you get the Elite version, that is. Seeing as I don't have a games console, though, I will check this update with interest.

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  19. Major errors in quoted article by benwaggoner · · Score: 1

    Eh? 10 Mbps max? stereo only? The Xbox Live Marketplace video has been doing shows with peaks up to 12 Mbps and 5.1 audio (e.g. the CSI shows) since before this update. Users have been making their own files with much bigger specs for a long time.

    Now 30 Mbps peaks in WMV files are fine with the new update. It's really an incredible piece of hardware.

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    1. Re:Major errors in quoted article by nschubach · · Score: 1

      [blockquote]Now 30 Mbps peaks in WMV files are fine with the new update. It's really an incredible piece of hardware.[/blockquote] Is it a really impressive piece of hardware because it's a Microsoft product that finally reads a Microsoft format properly or because you somehow feel that WMV playback is more important than fixing the disc scratching issues or the red ring hardware failures (at 3-5%+) that Microsoft is vigorously denying and trying to cover up?

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    2. Re:Major errors in quoted article by drewmca · · Score: 1

      What did he say? Isn't he that blogger guy that works for Microsoft?

      Oh....

  20. Extra Blade Breaks Themes by jjustice · · Score: 1

    So they've added an extra blade to the UI, but they didn't think to at least re-use one of the background pictures from the other blades for the new one. So instead of a sexy Bullet Witch in the Marketplace background, now I have some ugly orange mess that looks like an ad for M&M's. That's disjointed and annoying and should have been a simple, obvious fix. Though I imagine having two backgrounds with Wolverine instead of one might have resulted in some kind of character license infringement or something. Lovely.

    1. Re:Extra Blade Breaks Themes by nedrichards · · Score: 1

      Sadly it's deliberate, they're trying to Brand the Marketplace and slightly separate it out from the rest of the 'entertainment' zone. Since it's the place you spend the money I can see their point.

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  21. Still a few reasons for ATV by LKM · · Score: 1

    There are still a bunch of reasons why 360 owners might want an ATV, for example:

    • Support for protected music and videos from the iTunes Store
    • ATVs are a lot quieter than 360s
    • ATVs can easily be hacked to natively support additional file formats like divx
    • ...and some people just prefer the ATV interface

    There certainly are less reasons than before, but there still are reasons.

  22. Improved VGA output is also very nice by de+Siem · · Score: 1
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52 1205

    The Spring Update adds a new feature allowing users to tweak the IRE setting that the Xbox 360 sends out to the television. "Both Xbox 360 Elite and current Xbox 360 units will have a spring (console) update which adds support for different video levels for VGA output ("7.5 IRE vs 0") ... using this setting you should be able to use computer monitors in addition to TVs with resolutions all the way up to 1080p with high fidelity and no issues with HDCP handshaking," explained Amir Majidimehr, VP of Microsoft's Consumer Media Technology Group. "So for current users, I highly recommend trying this update with your VGA connection to see if it does the job for you. Note that this is a console update and will work for both games and of course, HD DVD.
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    1. Re:Improved VGA output is also very nice by iainl · · Score: 1

      Thanks! I saw this option while browsing around the menus last night, but I didn't know what it was for. If it's just expanding the black level all the way down to 0 IRE, I'll make the change when I get home. Then recalibrate the TV to bring the crushed black detail back on HD-DVDs...

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  23. Files on a Mac to 360 by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

    Is there any way to get the video (non-iTunes Music Store) from my Mac with OS X to my 360?

  24. Re: Backups can be Legit, or Fair Use... by trdrstv · · Score: 1

    ...never had a situation where I needed to use a backup...

    I have. For whatever reason my pristine copy of Max Payne (IE: I own it and there are NO scratches) would not play on my original X-Box. I don't think the DVD drive is failing, as it wouldn't play in my 360 either. So I backed up all my games to (my upgraded) HDD and now play them that way (Everything loads faster now too). Hopefully my Live enabled games don't get Wonky on me either since the Original X-Box needs to stay offline now.

    Since doing that I also found a hack for Karaoke Revolution & KR: Party. (I own both games BTW)and if you have them on the HDD you can download a hack to import all the Karaoke Revolution games into Karaoke Revolution Party (the game thinks they are downloaded tracks from Live), so 1 game has a much larger selection of songs available.

    Both instances involve a chipped X-box, and neither is for Piracy.

  25. Re: Backups can be Legit, or Fair Use... by DaveCBio · · Score: 1

    Every time this comes up there is a post like yours. Let's face it, even if you are telling the truth you would be the exception, not the rule.

  26. Re: Backups can be Legit, or Fair Use... by SilentChris · · Score: 1

    I have. For whatever reason my pristine copy of Max Payne (IE: I own it and there are NO scratches) would not play on my original X-Box. I don't think the DVD drive is failing, as it wouldn't play in my 360 either. So I backed up all my games to (my upgraded) HDD and now play them that way (Everything loads faster now too). Hopefully my Live enabled games don't get Wonky on me either since the Original X-Box needs to stay offline now.


    Sorry man, but I don't believe for a minute that this is the real reason you modded. You can find Max Payne for $5 in every bargain bin across the country. You honestly backed up a $5 game?

    Modding an Xbox 360 to make it into a media center? Sure, I buy that (although less so given the formats it now plays out of the box). Modding it to put Linux on or whatever? Sure. However, most people mod for one reason only: to play pirated games. Any argument to the contrary is foolish.
  27. Re: Backups can be Legit, or Fair Use... by trdrstv · · Score: 1

    Sorry man, but I don't believe for a minute that this is the real reason you modded.

    and you would be right. I modded it for XBMC. I upgraded the HDD because my game wouldn't play, and I had a HDD lying around.

    You can find Max Payne for $5 in every bargain bin across the country. You honestly backed up a $5 game?

    Yes I did. I also backed up Max Payne 2 which you can find for $2 new. HDD's are cheap and since I had one lying around the affective added cost to me was Zero, so why not? Even if it didn't load faster it's more convienent to run it from the HDD than disk swapping.