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CBS Moving To Syndication Across the Internet

An anonymous reader writes "The Wall Street Journal takes a look at the new online media strategy being rolled out by CBS. Just over a year ago they rolled out their 'Innertube' service on the CBS website. The streaming video offering allowed viewers to watch sports and reruns directly on the web, but required potential consumers to view the video on CBS.com. That didn't work, even a little bit. So, they've learned their lesson: 'The company plans to pursue a drastically revised strategy that involves syndicating its entertainment, news and sports video to as much of the Web as possible. It represents a stark departure for the TV industry. Most of CBS's major competitors, including Walt Disney Co.'s ABC, General Electric Co.'s NBC Universal and News Corp.'s Fox, are to some degree all betting that they can build their own Internet video portals. Starting this week, an expanded menu of CBS's video content will be available for free to consumers on as many as 10 different Web sites ranging from Time Warner Inc.'s AOL to Joost Inc., a buzzy online video service that is just rolling out. The company calls its new venture the CBS Interactive Audience Network.' This new push is tied into a new advertising strategy, which is covered in-depth in the article."

71 comments

  1. The last horse crosses the finish line by HalifaxRage · · Score: 1

    Doesn't basically every other network already offer this?

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    1. Re:The last horse crosses the finish line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Name 1? Most networks are trying to create their own portals. Largely because, as they mention in the article, they all have huge cable channels to support as well. This is something that CBS is relatively free of since they only have one (or two) cable networks to their name.

      Instead of investing potentially millions into creating their own service, they are going to offer programs for syndication to various sites on the web. It sounds to me like they are holding to a traditional idea of selling shows, but instead of selling them to cable networks, they are going to sell them to the internet media channels for distribution through the internet (probably as streaming feeds).

      So actually, this is actually a first in a way and not a last. Good job with RTFA.

    2. Re:The last horse crosses the finish line by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Informative

      investing potentially millions

      I think that most networks have have invested way more than millions in these internet portals. hire 20 people (which isn't a lot for these large corporations), and you're probably already spending over 1 million dollars. Money for servers, bandwidth, and all the other hosting fees (electicity, heating, building maintenance costs), and i'm sure that they've spent a whole lot more than necessary, and haven't really gotten much out of it. I think this is a great approach for CBS. Sell the content to other companies who understand distribution, and you will get a lot more bang for your buck.
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  2. Some things come to mind... by GeorgiaCodeMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A couple things come to mind when I see stuff like this... #1, Cable TV and Satellite services are going to go extinct. (Good.) #2, As more and more networks start to "broadcast" online, ISPs are going to have their hands full. The move to cap users who download too much (too combat bittorrent) is going to have to stop. Quickly.

    1. Re:Some things come to mind... by Rolgar · · Score: 1

      It looks like Apple TV and Google (with all of it's leased fiber and new data centers) might be moving the source of the files locally, so your ISP won't have to pay fees to the Tier II for sharing content, thus lowering your ISP's cost to allow you to download the content. The only real obstacle to this is cable companies which are some of the biggest ISP's will be losing high paying Digital subscribers to lower cost Internet only packages.

    2. Re:Some things come to mind... by yabos · · Score: 1

      Until I can stream multiple HD channels/shows at once, Satellite and Cable TV isn't going anywhere.

    3. Re:Some things come to mind... by Cleon · · Score: 1

      Well, sure, it's not going to happen overnight. But bandwidth is only going up, not down--it's really just a matter of time.

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    4. Re:Some things come to mind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could definately see it happening to Satellite but since the cable companies(TWC, Adelphia, etc..) are the ISP it sort of makes that argument against them a little pointless. All this really means is that those 10 different websites(youtube?) will be direct feed and not bittorrent most likely so the download will be the only factor.
      Although I doubt a majority of the TV viewers will change their TV to watching it from the interet, as that would involve differnt hardware/cabling changes/remote and the way it works now is very easy.

      In case anybody doesn't know either CBS has some of the worst deal last ratings in viewers and they are very desperate, so this is a good thing.

  3. Intertubes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Great, now I have to deal with a bunch of fat beer-drinking rednecks floating by and clogging up my interweb tubes, too!

    Thanks CBS. Thanks a lot.

  4. Broadcatching by CarpetShark · · Score: 0

    All of these approaches are already out of date. They should recognise broadcatching, and move to it, ASAP, if they want to be ahead of the competition. As it is, the competition of small, independent producers is already far ahead of the big guys.

  5. A BAD or Risky name choice by erroneus · · Score: 1

    Innertube? COME ON! What images come to mind? There's imagry associated with water and there's the image of the flat tire. Did they think about this?

    1. Re:A BAD or Risky name choice by karnal · · Score: 1

      You think they really thought it through to call it the CBS Interactive Audience (CIA) Network?

      Oh the fun..

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    2. Re:A BAD or Risky name choice by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      Well, after all the Internet is just a bunch of tubes that Al Gore invented, right???

      Or maybe they were trying to make a reference to the outdated technology of Tube (CRT) televisions... Is anyone (in their right mind) buying CRT televisions anymore?

      Let the tubes die.

    3. Re:A BAD or Risky name choice by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Or maybe they were trying to make a reference to the outdated technology of Tube (CRT) televisions... Is anyone (in their right mind) buying CRT televisions anymore?

      Your right, and it's a terrible choice to use the word "tube". Just look at how unsuccessful YouTube is.

  6. Thank you! by copponex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hardly watch any television. The days of sitting around and waiting for your favorite show to come on are simply over, and I don't want to spend $40 a month plus $15 a month for Tivo just for the pleasure. It's simply not worth it.

    Instead of litigating viewers and websites, it appears CBS may "get it." I hope they follow through with their plan without a team of lawyers getting a hold of it and ruining it entirely. CBS should be congratulated, and we should all vote with our eyes and reward them for recognizing that the Internet has changed entirely the meaning and value of media distribution.

    And I must say, it's about time American companies stopped trying to sue their way to success and innovate instead. Real business leadership needs to return to our economy before there's nothing left but corporations suing each other over worthless patents and dead ideas.

    1. Re:Thank you! by Sax+Maniac · · Score: 1
      You're right. Waiting for TV is over. But the price isn't as bad as they would lead you to believe...

      $65/mo is what Tivo wants you to believe. For $0 a month I have a ReplayTV (with lifetime activation and commercial skip) and for $9/mo I get basic analog cable*. That's more than enough to fill all my free time with TV that I care to.

      * But they give me extended digital cable for free, because they cannot be bothered to filter it out.

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    2. Re:Thank you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watching live TV is something we stopped doing in my house about two years ago. It wasn't the internet that killed it. It was the combination of TIVO and Netflix. It works so well that I cut back my cable to just basic cable. Yes, the $17/month option. The combination of basic cable+TIVO+Netflix costs us about $50/month. The last commercial I saw was during the Superbowl.

  7. Intertube is MS intellectual property by andy314159pi · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sending TV shows through the inner tubes has been patented by MS or possibly Daryl McBride. User beware!

    1. Re:Intertube is MS intellectual property by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The enemy's name is Darl (not Daryl). Know it.

  8. Youtube? by moxjake · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That entire article remains silent on Youtube. I would think if they're going to put it on THE video site on the web, the article would mention it. Seems a bit silly to distribute to 10+ media sites with almost zero market penetration when you can distribute to one big site.

    1. Re:Youtube? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YouTube Quality sucks, its like 1999

      Quality != quantity

    2. Re:Youtube? by yabos · · Score: 1

      Youtube would be junk for actual TV shows. Flash longer than about 2 mins has audio sync issues. It would never work unless they encode in something more reliable like MPEG-4 or H.264.

    3. Re:Youtube? by Dan+Ost · · Score: 1

      I thought this issue had been resolved in recent versions. Perhaps they only improved it such that I no longer notice it (don't watch a lot of flash video).

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    4. Re:Youtube? by mounthood · · Score: 1

      They don't want to deal with Youtube because they want to sell the advertising, and keep the ~90% share of it.

      It's just a gradual step from:
      1. Control everything (Portal)
      2. Control the advertising but not the distribution (CBS making deals with partners)
      3. Let others control advertising and distribution for a kickback (Youtube model, which they are all panicked about)
      4. Give it away for promotion

      What seems strange to me is that I can't get a torrent of Survivor with advertising, only one without advertising. If they want to control advertising but not distribution... why aren't they making the shows available, all nicely packaged in different formats, free to share, and with advertising embedded?

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    5. Re:Youtube? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CBS already has their content on YouTube. They've been putting clips of shows on YouTube since October 2006.

  9. Flip side by packetmon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On the flip side of the coin... Take into the consideration the fact that not everyone is Internet Savvy enough to watch TV via their machines. For broadcasting companies to think I will sit down on my monitor and watch television there is absurd. For one, me personally, my flat screen has a bigger and better picture. Secondly bear in mind not everyone has a high speed connection, so just because companies are throwing fiber to the home, it doesn't mean that everyone will be jumping on the bandwagon. Not to mention in certain areas, high speed connections are unfeasible. It would be nice to have it as an option, but would a disastrous business model for any broadcaster to ditch the ways of old for the unstable, illogical ways of new just because they're hip at the moment. Come on now, how many hip technologies have become dinosaurs before they were even of the production assembly line... Laser Disc, Betamax, (dare I say... Blu Ray)... Not EVERYONE wants a digital life...

    1. Re:Flip side by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      But if the options are either over-the-air, for people who aren't paying, or $40 for cable, plus $40 for internet, for those who do pay, I think that you could get a lot of people moving to $60 for faster internet, and cutting the cable bill. Provided they made it easy to put the image full screen on your tv via s-video out, or some wireless box that connects to your router, I think that broadcast cable tv as we know it could be gone if 50 years. Which is a pretty short time considering how ubiquitous it is.

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    2. Re:Flip side by packetmon · · Score: 1

      Here is the issue with that... Networks suck at times. How would you feel if you're paying $60.00 per month but the connection between broadcaster and your provider keeps having issues? Its not similar to cable in the sense that the only issues you would have with cable would be with the provider. You could call them bitch and moan. Try calling them because some backbone went down and see what they'll tell you. So while you wait for someone outside your cable company to fix their network, I will bitch and moan to my cable provider then seek a month of something for free from them, while you wait...

    3. Re:Flip side by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      The difference with tv not on broadcast is that you'd most likely be able to get the same show from several different sources. So if part of the network is down, then you'd still be able to watch the same show from some other online distributor. If something was wrong with part of the network that was out of the internet provider's control, and all their customers (or a significant percentage) were complaining, I'm sure they'd put a lot of pressure on whoever is in control to get the content back up.

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    4. Re:Flip side by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      I already pay that much, and it feels crummy. I fucking HATE comcast! Second only to the assholes who gave them a monopoly on cable.

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  10. Joost: We Pwn Your Puter by Coriolis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    (Alternatively, "In Soviet Russia, Joost watches YOU")

    The Joost EULA allows them carte blanche to install whatever they like on your machine, and makes it a contractual violation to interfere with it, its settings or its network traffic. That doesn't seem compatible with anti-virus or firewalls (which I imagine invalidates that aspect of the contract instantly, but IANAL and I digress). They swear that they anonymise all collected viewing habit information before passing it onto advertisers, but then again, they can change the EULA, TOS and PP at will. Again, probably invalid, but IANAL.

    They state quite clearly that they will be using your bandwidth to communicate with other computers running their software. Obviously, because it's a P2P app. But this isn't Skype, with a relatively small amount of traffic. This is video, distributed P2P. That's going to eat my bandwidth, and probably be dog slow to boot.

    This isn't what I want. I'm not sure this is what anyone wants, at least in their target early-adopter group. Who wants ad-supported content, for which I'm paying a variable, uncontrollable amount? Give me ad-free, DRM-free, fairly priced content that I can download direct, thanks. Too much bandwidth? Well, invest in a content distribution network, or keep poking ISPs in the side until they sort out multicast.

    Meh.

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  11. Finally! by MMC+Monster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of the networks is starting to get it.

    All CBS has to do to make money off this is have advertising in a corner of the screen or just have regular commercial interruptions as usual. Some people will skip the commercials, just like how they do it with VCR tapes, but if the commercials are engaging enough, people will forget. Having a scrolling line of text commercials at the bottom of the screen works as well (remember, since this is not a TV screen, the video can still be 16:9 or 4:3 and still have a small bar at the bottom of the screen with the text commercials without impeding on the video.)

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    1. Re:Finally! by tcopeland · · Score: 1

      > All CBS has to do to make money off this is have advertising in a corner of the screen

      Right on. thenewsroom is one of those content distribution sites, and the beauty of it is that you can do things like create a custom feed of Coast Guard videos and you'll get the latest content both from CBS and from other content providers. The videos are of pretty high quality and the ads aren't too long. Ditto for text content, too, except it's a static ad and thus doesn't take up any time.

      Disclaimer: I'm working on the Rails app that's powering thenewsroom.

    2. Re:Finally! by ukemike · · Score: 1

      Okay so they get it, but is there anything worth watching on CBS? I honestly don't know since I got rid of my TV 2 years ago, and rarely watched the networks before then.

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    3. Re:Finally! by SleepyHappyDoc · · Score: 1

      I like Numb3rs well enough for me to give this stuff a try. Assuming they make it available outside the US...something their Innertube service never did.

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    4. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CBS has a couple good shows. I myself love the show JERICHO , the crap part is that it competes with , the worst show I have ever seen "American Idol"

      If your a geek and would like a preview of what life is like without tech give this show a shot. Hopefully soon cbs will get the show out on their website. So you can watch every show from this season so far.

  12. Outside the US? by simong · · Score: 1

    I have a mild Letterman habit. Will I be able to watch last night's show on Joost, or will I get a message saying that my IP address is outside the US and I am therefore unable to watch due to copyright and licensing restrictions? I know which one my money's on.

  13. How about using a system that's already in place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead of forcing people to watch content on their computer and in a damn browser, how about making your content available as podcasts?

    With podcasts (in an open standard such as .mp4) people can view content on their computer, on their iPod and on their TV via AppleTV. And since .mp4 files aren't some weird proprietary format, I'm assuming that non-Apple software/hardware can be used too.

    Why do they keep re-inventing the wheel, especially when a good system is already in place.

  14. Drop the streaming all together and... by Slashdot+Junky · · Score: 1

    Hey CBS and others,

    Drop the streaming all together and post your current line up and the good shows that you keep replacing with crap reality and game shows at the iTunes store. Yes, I know that you are doing this for some already; just post the rest. Streaming quality is never going to be as good an experience as is watching a show on my TV by way of my iPod. Streaming playback is even worse for those of us without a well equipped computer, and there are a lot of people in my boat.

    Also for CBS... I'd like to watch the second half of that Super Bowl episode of Criminal Minds, and this series is on iTunes and wasn't available on Innertube at the time.

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    1. Re:Drop the streaming all together and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget your expensive fancy-schmancy closed-format greedy Apple iPod, dude.

      I, for one, want to watch their stuff on my AppleTV.

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    2. Re:Drop the streaming all together and... by astonish · · Score: 1

      I agree and do it in H.264 HD while they are at it. After the shift to all HD equipment I don't want to back down to SD streaming. The Xbox market place stuff is a good start (though not in Canada yet), but it has the fatal flaw of being stored on the Xbox. If only you could download the same from windows marketplace, then store it on the PC with loads of disk space and then watch it on any copy of WMP or 360 MS would have a killer on their hands.

  15. But will it run on Linux? by TemporalBeing · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All joking aside - and quite seriously - will it run in a web browser on Linux? I'd rather not have a TV and be able to get to video clips (like the President's State of the Union address) over the Internet. Last I checked, the major networks (CBS, ABC, AOL, etc.) were using tech that relied on Windows Media Puke to play, thus I couldn't watch it from my Linux PC. (Even Yahoo! does that with their YouTube/GoogleVideo equivalent, so I stay away from it.) Really that is probably part of the success behind YouTube and GoogleVideo - it runs on any platform without a problem. Running Mac? No problem. Running Linux? No problem. Running Windows? No problem.

    So, will CBS's new syndication system run on Linux? If so, great - I'll be there to watch it. If not, too bad; guess I'll have to wait.

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    1. Re:But will it run on Linux? by SpiffyMarc · · Score: 1

      When's the last time you checked? The two that I've used both have Flash video players (CBS and NBC).

    2. Re:But will it run on Linux? by ThisOrThat · · Score: 1

      I watched a few of CBS's shows from kbuntu, on my notebook over wireless without issue (that I am aware of). I've found it very helpful for a few shows I missed that I did not record (my mistake). I really don't understand the issue with going to cbs.com to see the shows that cbs created, it made it easy for me to find and watch the shows I missed. I knew they were cbs shows. Also there we few ads, fewer then were present from the over the air broadcast. - Justin

    3. Re:But will it run on Linux? by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      When's the last time you checked?
      Specifically - CBS - it's been a while; I had a TV this year (my wife wanted it), but I had checked around for the 2006 State of the Union, and none of them offered anything that was watchable under Linux at that time. I believe I have checked since, but not necessarily CBS, and had the same issue arise. Great to hear CBS and NBC using a Flash Video Player. I still stand by my original comment though - just because this gen of tech does, doesn't mean that the next will too (or won't for that matter), though it is more likely to do so. Hopefully the landscape will continue to improve for us non-Windows people.
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    4. Re:But will it run on Linux? by 3choTh1s · · Score: 1

      Last I checked, the major networks (CBS, ABC, AOL, etc.) were using tech that relied on Windows Media Puke to play
      When exactly was the last time you checked? For the last few months I've been using CBS's Innertube to watch Jericho just fine on my Macbook. It uses Realplayer and about all the software you need. It can use Windows Media player if you have it but it doesn't need it.
    5. Re:But will it run on Linux? by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      When exactly was the last time you checked? For the last few months I've been using CBS's Innertube to watch Jericho just fine on my Macbook. It uses Realplayer and about all the software you need. It can use Windows Media player if you have it but it doesn't need it.
      See here, though, your comment makes me think that they are may be deciding what to use on a per-show basis...which would just be odd, inefficient, and would still go back to my original comment...can anybody confirm? I'll check tonight when I get home to see what I can/can't watch and see if anything is viewable under x86 Linux.
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    6. Re:But will it run on Linux? by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      When exactly was the last time you checked?
      I checked some last night and again tonight. I even installed the latest Flash player, but got denied access to FoxNews, NBC, and CBS shows. Oddly, though, they all wanted me to install the latest flash player. Looking at the page source for the FoxNews page, it relied on VBScript to determine the player version (through an active X control) but otherwise used JavaScript. I did not check why CBS's or NBC's site would not run it. So, I am still out from being able to watch them via on-line.

      FYI - I used both Firefox 2 and 1.5.0.3, and Flash 9. I even reinstalled Flash 9. FoxNews was suppose to require Flash 7, but would not work even with Flash 9.
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  16. What won't change by Thirdsin · · Score: 1

    One thing i'm sure will not change... As soon as a CBS video ends up on a website not of their choosing (youtube) BAM!, DMCA take-down notice. I can just about guarantee it.

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  17. Astroturfing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This "article" was nothing more than a hype piece for Joost.

  18. Download and watch by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    People still cling to the idea that you have to watch a stream in real time. That idea is as quaint as televison = three networks. People mostly watch about 10 to 15 hours of TV a week. Some more, some less. People who watch lots of TV tend to be poorer and have less disposable income. People who watch less than 10 hours a week would typically be willing to pay for the content to avoid commercials.

    There is already enough capacity to stream in 15 hours worth of DVD quality TV over the course of one week to your hard disk over simple broadband. Of course this requires a little deliberate action and thinking about what you want to watch and what you dont want to. TV networks hate that idea, they would rather have you pick the remote surf and stumble on to their show and (hopefully) watch it. But the idea of a subscription service that works like podcasts makes so much sense, it would be impossible for cable/network TVs to fight it. Once the affluent people desert the cable/on-air networks, cable companies will go bankrupt and on-air TV will be like radio of today. Mainly low cost talk shows with 20-33% of the time spent on commercials.

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    1. Re:Download and watch by shmlco · · Score: 1

      "There is already enough capacity to stream in 15 hours worth of DVD quality TV over the course of one week to your hard disk over simple broadband."

      So? It would still be much, much, much more efficient to multicast a stream at a given time and have your system record it if it's one you want to watch. You may WATCH it at any time, but content is still produced and released to a schedule.

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    2. Re:Download and watch by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      So what, it does need to be made in the first place, you can't work around that. On the upside, if you subscribe to a podcast you CAN'T miss it, unless someone decides to remove it from the server.

    3. Re:Download and watch by badasscat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People still cling to the idea that you have to watch a stream in real time. That idea is as quaint as televison = three networks. People mostly watch about 10 to 15 hours of TV a week. Some more, some less. People who watch lots of TV tend to be poorer and have less disposable income.

      Elitist and completely untrue. The average US household watches 8 hours of TV per day - that's about five times more than you seem to think. Here's a reference (PDF link).

      Moreover, there's nothing "quaint" about watching TV in "real time" (I don't think that's actually what you meant - you meant at the premiere date and time). Even if we moved to a completely internet-only model for television, new content is not going to appear all at once, to be consumed at customers' leisure. It takes time to film each episode of a TV show, and there will continue to be staggered "premieres" of series episodes. Fans of each show will still gather around their computers at the same time each week, just as they do around their TV's now.

      People like you are misunderstanding the effects of time-shifting. DVR's are great (I have two of them) but most people are home at 8PM and they're not going to delay watching their favorite TV show that happens to be on at that time simply because they can. DVR owners still watch a hell of a lot of live TV. The point of a DVR is not to enable you not to watch shows that are on while you're watching TV; the point of a DVR is to allow you to watch shows when you otherwise couldn't. You're looking at the entire concept backwards.

      There will always be timeshifting and there will always be people who can't watch a premiere and will have to watch later, whether it's on a DVR or online. But there will also always be people who will crowd around their screens - whether it's a TV or a computer screen - to watch a TV show premiere on the date and time that it's first posted. The upshot of that is that there's simply no reason for linear TV networks to go away, meaning - with all the equipment, time, and money already invested (and we're talking tens of billions of dollars here) - they likely never will.

    4. Re:Download and watch by Mr2001 · · Score: 1

      DVR owners still watch a hell of a lot of live TV. The point of a DVR is not to enable you not to watch shows that are on while you're watching TV; the point of a DVR is to allow you to watch shows when you otherwise couldn't. Since I bought a TiVo, I barely ever watch live TV. Why would I want to flip through the guide, desperately looking for something to watch, when I've got hundreds of hours of recorded shows I know I like? Why would I even want to remember what time my shows are on when TiVo does it for me? Why would I want to sit through a commercial break with no way to fast-forward?

      I think the people who have a DVR but still watch a lot of live TV are mainly either new owners who haven't set up enough series recordings yet, or they have crappy DVRs that make it difficult to set up recordings or just don't hold very much.
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    5. Re:Download and watch by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
      Nielsen is biased. It will exaggerate the amount of TV watched. Most people turn the tv on in the morning only to catch the weather reports and let it run providing a general background noise.

      The report you cited is from 2005.

      Even if they are home by 8PM, they might not watch what the networks are pushing at 8PM. They might easily watch the previous day's prime time show or a movie from the previous weekend. Channels like BBC, TVland, AMC, TCM run old classics in marathon sessions. "24 hours of Gunsmoke" etc. Some would rather store these marathons and watch then over next two weeks at 8PM instead of yet another inane gameshow. Tue, Not many would watch Gunsmoke. But there are hundreds of such niche shows, and each will have a small audience. They will fragment the audience.

      Further, those who do really watch 8 hours of TV a day are gullible and could be persuaded to spend quite easily. But the problem is they tend to be poor and they dont have much of disposable income to spend.

      Once DVRs, vTunes, video-podcasts and such things cherry pick the audience, what is left over could be as many as 100 million Americans. But collectively they would represent less 10% of the discretionary spending in the country. Pitching ads to them wont even cover the basic running costs of cable TV.

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  19. CBS is learning what the RIAA/MPAA didn't get by tech10171968 · · Score: 1

    The relatively recent explosion of P2P filesharing and user content sites like Youtube created a new and (mostly) unregulated means of delivering media to the masses. This is a threat to the technologically antiquated business models of the big traditional media conglomerates and it scared them senseless. The difference I see here is that CBS is trying to adjust their business model around the new "paradigm" (sorry, I couldn't come up with a better word), while the RIAA/MPAA is trying to fight it to save their own apparently outdated business models. I'm not saying that CBS's methods are going to be without fault, but I will give hem credit for at least trying to adapt to the new enviroment. If the RIAA/MPAA would stop their bitching and try to adapt their own businesses to this new enviroment then they might not have as many problems as they do now (of course, putting out music and movies that people actually WANT to see badly enough to pay for would help a great deal).

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  20. Series of Tubes by Sean0michael · · Score: 1
    I guess the Internet really is a series of tubes:

    • YouTube
    • InnerTube
    • BoobTube
    • iTubes

    etc.
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  21. You've got bigger issues by Rix · · Score: 1

    If you have to bitch and moan just because your cable is out. Do something else.

  22. Demographics will play a part by Rix · · Score: 1

    Of the people I know close to my age (twentysomethings), none of them subscribe to cable/satellite television. A good percentage of them don't even *own* televisions. Of the people I know close to my parents age (late fourties to fifties) all of them do.

    Now, one could argue that economics might play a factor, but it's a small one at most. There's a fair mix of income levels between the two groups. The elder group always finds money to pay for cable/satellite, but the younger group tends not to start subscribing when they reach a higher income level. The younger group is also much more sensitive to advertisement, and more likely to take measures to remove it.

    With bittorrent sharing of advertising stripped tv shows easily accessible, I don't see and advertising supported method surviving very long. Complete collapse of the large scale studio system is almost inevitable if they don't get their act together and compete with, or at least match the features available for free on the net.

  23. TV can't take the radio route by Rix · · Score: 1

    Radio has only survived by broadcasting into cars, where people want a simple, free, no management music stream that doesn't impact their ability to drive. TV can't do that.

  24. Slashdot Demographics by FrameRotBlues · · Score: 1

    It's pretty easy to see that there aren't a lot of Slashdot users who care about television programming - check out the number of people commenting here vs. the teachers putting the students through a gun scare debate. Personally I don't watch TV, I use one as a graphical output for my DVD player. Judging by the response to this article, I'd be willing to say that I'm not alone.

  25. Tubes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny, I was just sure Ted Stevens had patented them thar' innertubes...