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Smithsonian 'Toned Down the Science' In Climate Change Exhibit

An anonymous reader writes "According to an International Herald Tribune article, the Smithsonian pre-emptively toned down the scientific content of a climate change exhibit put into place last year. The changes, including removal of scientist conclusions and muddying of displayed data, were made to ensure that the exhibit would not offend the Congress or the White House. Pressure brought to bear by Institute officials resulted in the resignation of Robert Sullivan, a sixteen year veteran of the organization. 'This is not the first time the Smithsonian has been accused of taking politics into consideration. The congressionally chartered institution scaled down a 1995 exhibit of the restored Enola Gay, the B-29 that dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, after veterans complained it focused too much on the damage and deaths. Amid the oil-drilling debate in 2003, a photo exhibit of Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge was moved to a less prominent space.'"

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  1. Overheard at the Smithsonian by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Overheard at the Smithsonian:

    Worker: Sir, I have this old display of Noah's Ark you asked for. Where did you want it?
    Curator: Put some dinosaur models on it then set it up in the Geology Wing.
    Worker: Will do, sir. Oh I also changed all the signage in that wing from "millions of years" to "thousands of years".
    Curator: That's what I like: proactive thinking! What about the Adam & Eve diorama?
    Worker: It's where the Galapagos Islands exhibit was, just as you requested.
    Curator: My boy, you have a bright future in science!

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    1. Re:Overheard at the Smithsonian by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Many years ago, when I was studying public history and taking museum courses, we had to read a great story. The story revolved around a newly-hired history museum director who came in and decided to "shake things up" in the local museum. He put "George Washington's Musket" in storage (since it was only legend that George had slept in the town and Washington never even owned a musket, anyway), he put up exhibits dismissing several local favorite legends as hogwash, devoted half the floor space to a "History of Minorities in Our Town" exhibit which explored the town's racist past, and generally pissed off virtually everyone in town. The story ends with the town mayor shooting him with the musket.

      The moral of the story? Piss off the public and they WILL shoot you.

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    2. Re:Overheard at the Smithsonian by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The moral of the story? Piss off the public and they WILL shoot you.


      Or to put it more elegantly: You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad.

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  2. They are following the "Golden Rule". by AltGrendel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who ever has the gold, makes the rules.

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    1. Re:They are following the "Golden Rule". by sunwukong · · Score: 3, Funny

      You obviously haven't "greased" the right wheels.

  3. Money ALWAYS comes with strings attached by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Get it from the government, expect to answer to politicians

    Get it from private industry, expect to answer to the CEO and board

    Get it from an individual, expect to answer to him

    Get it from Microsoft, expect to answer to Satan

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    1. Re:Money ALWAYS comes with strings attached by malsdavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's like your typical parent company shareholder override situation:

      The Smithsonian institute are funded by the government of the United States.
      Most of the current Congressmen / Senators / President which make up the government of the United States are funded by the big Oil companies.

      The big Oil companies obviously don't want to see pictures of Climate Change or pictures of the national parks they are in the process of trashing and so get what they see as their subsidiary company to "make the changes".

      Courtesy of United States Inc.

    2. Re:Money ALWAYS comes with strings attached by IgLou · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well I'm going to give my 2 cents on this and in doing so expect to answer to Lord Xenu!!

      All hail lord Xenu!

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  4. Self-policing by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The most troublesome part is that it was Smithsonian's administration that wanted the changes, not people from the US administration.

    There's two kinds of people: those that change their beliefs to fit the facts and those that change the facts to fit their beliefs.

    When you're changing the facts to fit other people's beliefs, well, I guess you get the budget dollars but lose all self-respect.

    1. Re:Self-policing by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      The most troublesome part is that it was Smithsonian's administration that wanted the changes, not people from the US administration. There's two kinds of people: those that change their beliefs to fit the facts and those that change the facts to fit their beliefs.

      You are closely akin to the latter, but you are instead making up "facts" to fit your belief.

      For all we know, Bush himself called up and made chimplike screeching noises to the heads of the board of the Smithsonian.

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    2. Re:Self-policing by flyingsquid · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Until recently, the Smithsonian was headed by Lawrence Small. Small is not a scientist, never has been, and has no scientific background. He was president of Fanny Mae, an organization that itself has a history of distorting the facts to get the answers they like.

      By most accounts, and I've talked with curators at the Smithosonian about this, Small was a terrible leader of the organization. He apparently did bring a lot of money into the organization, but you didn't see any evidence of this behind the scenes at the museum. Instead, he had almost $50,000 spent on furniture for his office, $15,000 spent on the doors at his house, spent $160,000 spent on renovating his office at the Smithsonian castle building, and by using his house to host a few Smithsonian functions, was given $1.15 million dollars in housing allowances. All your tax dollars. Not to mention, his total salary for 2007 was supposed to be $915,000- nearly a million dollars, more than the president and vice president combined. Meanwhile, science seems to have taken a back seat at the Smithsonian, and I suspect the scientists threw a party when he finally resigned. See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic le/2007/03/18/AR2007031801369.html

      But Small is just one symptom of a much larger problem, which is appointing incompetent hacks to important government positions, and pushing politics over facts. This is what happened at FEMA with Heckuvajob Brownie. This is what happened in Iraq, when the White House sent over people who had the proper Republican Party credentials, but not the credentials to do the job; it's one of the major reasons the occupation there has been such a disaster. The problem has been summed up pretty well by the phrase, "the triumph of the hacks over the wonks". See, the wonks are the policy guys, the analytical guys who can analyze the facts and tell you what you need to do in order to achieve a desired outcome. They are the political equivalent of a computer geek, except they write policy instead of code. The hacks are the political guys, the guys who don't give a shit what the facts are, they are only there to push their party agenda. And this administration has favored the hacks over the wonks, so the result is that facts get shoved aside by politics, whether it's climate change, or the debatable effectiveness of "abstinence-only" education, or the infamous case of General Shinseki getting sacked by Rumsfeld after he said we would need several hundred thousand troops to effectively occupy Iraq.

    3. Re:Self-policing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Only a lunatic, or someone supremely ignorant of history, believes that the current Administration is unusual in this respect."

      So by default we should just allow our politicians to act in this way and force no idea of accountability. I am getting really F***ing tired of people telling me to not blame the current administration for playing politics rather than governing with the people in mind. Should we all roll over and let this continue? Just accept it over and over again? It is people like you that have no counter argument for this incompetence except everyone does it. Not ALL politicians are solely in it for the good of themselves, if you say that is absolutely wrong than we have a HUGE problem. Not only do the politicians act this way, we let them and expect nothing better.

      Expect more and hold them accountable when they don't perform. Thats the way we will see the govt act as they should. WE SHOULD COMPLAIN and not hear the a$$holes that say we shouldn't bitch because everyone does it. Not an excuse. I've even been told that I should go republican because at least they are upfront about their partisanship. Thats bullshit because then you can't hold them accountable for their actions because you accept it. Thats ridiculous!!

      Get a better argument or don't post.

  5. Re:science by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Funny

    An alien with a green heart!! Shoot him!

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  6. PC... by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Somehow I never though Science and Political Correctness fit together. If you are dying, does the doctor now tell you "Congratulations, you won't be paying taxes next year."

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    1. Re:PC... by RingDev · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow, I'm going to put that on my grave stone.

      "Ain't paying taxes anymore!"

      -Rick

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  7. The good news is ... by Palmyst · · Score: 5, Funny

    In a hundred years, the Smithsonian will be under water.

  8. well by mastershake_phd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well maybe the administration isnt responsible for all the stuff that goes on. If the Smithsonian would pre-emptively change how it does things just because it thinks thats whats expected of it, then all you need is the idea that you are going to suppress certain ideas, not actively pursue their suppression.

  9. Yeah, and there's more ... by iknownuttin · · Score: 3, Funny
    The changes, ... and muddying of displayed data, ...

    By muddying the data, they're inferring that the climate will get wetter and the mud will obfuscate the data. I would love to see the memo that explicitly tells the janitorial staff NOT to clean up the mud off of the data! That would be a smoking gun!

    Fucking Government, they think they outsmart me?!? HA!

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  10. Lines from the article, with commentary by PHAEDRU5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "...the script...was rewritten to minimize and inject more uncertainty into the relationship between global warming and humans..." Imagine that! Uncertainty in science. If you want certainty, get a shaman/priest/rabbi.

    "...officials omitted scientists' interpretation of some research and let visitors draw their own conclusions from the data..." Why would they do that? Don't they know the great unwashed can't be trusted to draw trhe "proper" inferences?!?!!?!!

    "...changes were made for reasons of objectivity. And some scientists who consulted on the project said nothing major was omitted." Speaks for itself, I guess.

    *AND*, despite the summary above, "Sullivan said that to his knowledge, no one in the Bush administration pressured the Smithsonian."

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    1. Re:Lines from the article, with commentary by RingDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Sullivan said that to his knowledge, no one in the Bush administration pressured the Smithsonian."

      Yeah, and Gonzo can't remember anyone from the White House giving him a list of lawyers to fire. What's your point?

      -Rick

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    2. Re:Lines from the article, with commentary by Ambitwistor · · Score: 5, Informative

      "...the script...was rewritten to minimize and inject more uncertainty into the relationship between global warming and humans..." Imagine that! Uncertainty in science. If you want certainty, get a shaman/priest/rabbi.

      Yes, science has uncertainty. The problem is in injecting more uncertainty than the scientific studies originally concluded.

      "...officials omitted scientists' interpretation of some research and let visitors draw their own conclusions from the data..." Why would they do that? Don't they know the great unwashed can't be trusted to draw trhe "proper" inferences?!?!!?!!

      Hell, even other scientists have trouble looking at a graph and drawing conclusions from it, unless they're experts in that specific field. That's why scientific papers and scientific talks have words to go along with all those pretty graphs.

      Look at all of the abuses of science that go on in Slashdot global warming threads when you take away the interpretation.

      Raw data: graph showing CO2 increases following temperature increases, instead of leading them
      Implied conclusion: CO2 doesn't cause temperature increases
      Missing scientific interpretation: temperatures cause CO2 increases, which in turn amplify and prolong the original temperature increase
      Actual scientific conclusion: CO2 does cause temperature increases (and vice versa!)

      Raw data: graph showing CO2 increasing smoothly in the 20th century, but temperatures falling mid-century
      Implied conclusion: CO2 doesn't cause temperature increases
      Missing scientific interpretation: there were non-CO2 cooling effects in the mid-20th century, including heavy air pollution and a brief spike in volcanism
      Actual scientific conclusion: CO2 does cause temperature increases (and other manmade and natural factors also influence the climate)

      Raw data: graph showing temperatures and solar intensity increasing
      Implied conclusion: solar brightening causes global warming
      Missing scientific interpretation: the increase in solar intensity is real but too small to produce the observed warming, and did not increase at a rate similar to the increased rate of late 20th century warming
      Actual scientific conclusion: solar brightening can only account for a small minority of the global warming

      Raw data: graph showing Earth and Pluto temperatures increasing
      Implied conclusion: solar brightening causes global warming everywhere in the solar system
      Missing scientific interpretation: see above, and the fact that Pluto has recently been unusually close to the Sun
      Actual scientific conclusion: solar brightening isn't responsible for global warming on Earth or Pluto

      There is nothing wrong with explaining how scientists interpret data. The data themselves only give part of the picture, especially to non-scientists who don't know as much about the issues.

    3. Re:Lines from the article, with commentary by slamb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is nothing wrong with explaining how scientists interpret data. The data themselves only give part of the picture, especially to non-scientists who don't know as much about the issues.

      It helps to look at all of the data. In each case you listed, it would be wild speculation at best to reject the "implied conclusion" in favor of the "interpretation", unless you did so based on more "raw data" that you presented. How do you know that CO2 causes additional temperature increases? How do you know there was a brief spike in volcanism? How do you know the increase in solar intensity is insignificant? These are key questions - good scientists don't look at fixed data sets and choose interpretations to rationalize the conclusions they've already made. Instead, they come up with ideas, use them to design calculations/experiments and predictions, carry through, examine the result, and repeat.

      That said, it's unrealistic to expect people to properly analyze all the data on climate change in the half hour or less they spend in the exhibit. The best approach in presenting science to the public is to give people a taste of the process (some evidence with the best present analysis, maybe some history of the field, maybe walk them through devising a simple experiment), an idea of where to learn more (maybe books in the gift shop), and also the result. That result is what most scientists currently believe, with their stated level of confidence. ("Result" isn't quite the right word, since it can change, but it will have to do.)

  11. Not too surprising by bryan1945 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It gets massive government funding, so you don't want to piss off the funders. Also, anything that is socially or politically charged is always toned down nowadays in the bigger institutions. You get the occasional out there displays, usually from smaller places trying to make a name for themselves.

    It's like newspaper reporting now- skimp on the facts and give some conclusions, maybe put in a few emotional bits. Good luck trying to find objectivity, anywhere, anymore.

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  12. Re:science by heinousjay · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because your message is one of fear. You've got to learn to express things differently because fear only works if you have the might to back things up.

    (Not you specifically.)

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  13. Re:Conspiracy! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2

    Did you also know Ted Koppel is a robot?

    Well then submit a story on it. News for nerds, right? Does he run embedded *nix, or that other OS? Can he be hacked to play XBox games? Do tell, do tell...

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  14. Why Not? by WED+Fan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Al Gore toned down the science for his film. Or, he substituted science with hype. Even the scientist who accept the man-caused model find Al's wild *ssed misuse of science a little frightening.

    If anyone is going to take it seriously, hyped arguments, with incredibly weak holes are going to drive people away from the true science. When a true scientist says, "Look, I have proof of man-caused climate change", the Gore-Hype-Doom-Weary-Joe-Everybody is going to ignore it.

    Ignore Gore, DiCapprio, Robbins, Madonna, Rosie, etc. and lets get the truth separated from the hype, or it will be ignored.

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    1. Re:Why Not? by WED+Fan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How about the UN report, and other NGO's talk about the sea level rising a matter of inches (17 inches approximately) and Gore goes hyperbolic (20 feet)?

      Look, Gore is as good to the environmental movement as Jerry Falwell was to the Christians. Falwell permanently cast the movement as a whacko fringe. Make of point of saying you are a Christian and you will find yourself categorized with Falwell, Robertson, and Reed. Gore is going to make it so that saying you are an environmentalist will put you in the company of wild-eyed-cool-aid drinking nut jobs.

      Soon, serious scientists will eschew the moniker of "environmentalist" and run as fast from the position as possible. The same as liberal church goers are loath to make open declarations of faith for fear of needing to explain that they "are Christian, but not of that ilk."

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    2. Re:Why Not? by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think this is very important for people to remember. I forget who said it first, but the fastest way to lose an argument is to exaggerate. Even if you're right, if you're blatantly obvious about exaggerating your own points and failing to acknowledge your opponents points, people won't believe you. Even if you're right.

      When dealing with a topic like global warming, credibility is incredibly important because almost no one (by which I mean among laymen) understands the science. Even relative to other sciences, studying climate and weather is incredibly complex and imprecise. So in order to preserve the credibility of those warning us about global warming-- people, please don't exaggerate. Don't try to convince people of things you yourself don't understand. Don't predict unlikely worst-case scenarios when the likely scenarios are bad enough. Just make honest arguments about only the things you understand, admit to the places where your understanding is unclear, and settle down on the hype.

      If we exercised this sort of restraint, our arguments on a wide variety of subjects would probably be more productive. I say "probably" only because I'm basing this on nothing wider than my own personal experience. When you overstate your points and exaggerate the support for your arguments, you're only giving your opponents ammunition to shoot you down.

    3. Re:Why Not? by Philotic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Gore has done more for the environmental movement in recent years, especially in terms of global warming, than arguably anyone else. The science in his film is sound, and while he does use the worst case scenario, many more people are aware of the issue because of it. It's not Gore that fosters the image of "wild-eyed-cool-aid drinking nut jobs," but his far right-wing opponents.

      If exaggeration is the quickest way to lose an argument, why do the opponents of global warming continue to hold their ground? They repeat arguments that have been disproved, and slam people like Gore with dismissive rhetoric. How do the minds of reason address that?

    4. Re:Why Not? by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would like to live in the world you imagine, but it's hard to reconcile that idea with the popularity of "young Earth" creationism. Religion and pseudoscience do what you call the fastest way to lose an argument, yet in the minds of many Americans they haven't lost...

      I don't really want to bring the conversation in this direction, but since you brought it up:

      I think people who get extremely angry about creationists do just the thing I'm talking about when arguing in favor of evolution. They try to argue that the evidence of evolution proves the non-existence of God, they argue as though you cannot doubt a single aspect of current evolutionary theory, they argue that no sane person could believe a god had anything to do with the creation of human beings, and they claim that creationism has been disproved.

      In fact, there are many different theories that all get referred to as "creationism", and most of them have not been disproved because most of them cannot be disproved. This is a sign that the theories are not scientific theories. No one has proven the non-existence of God, and no one will prove or disprove the existence of God, which is a good indication that He is not the subject of science. And, in fact, their are a myriad of ways that a person could believe evolution has taken place, yet also believe God is real, and also believe that God had some part of creating life and creating human beings.

      To go further, I'd say that you are guilty of exaggerating and overstating your case: you imply that religion is inherently faulty and poor grounds for argumentation. However, religion can be relevant in many non-scientific discussions on a wide variety of subjects, but the sort of thinking that goes on in religion is not a good model for scientific investigation. Similarly, the scientific method is a very good model for investigations into scientific subjects, but it falters in some other areas of thought.

      My point is, arguments/discussions can be very helpful to both sides when we shake off our adversarial hostility, quit trying to prove each other "wrong" in order to "win" the argument, and we talk to each other like human beings. If your position is right and your argument is good, you shouldn't need artificial exaggerations to prove your point.

      Even so, it's true that some people will never do this. Some people will continue to make dishonest arguments and some people will fail to listen to even the best and most correct argument. Still, on the whole, there are few advantages in an argument stronger than credibility and correctness. Don't throw them away so easily.

  15. It is a freaking museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    They are always toning down the science for Joe six-pack.

    If they wanted a timely exhibit on climate change, they could randomly assign visitors to either side of an amphitheatre where they would don earplugs before yelling at each other at the top of their lungs while mathematical models that nobody in the room could understand flashed on an IMAX screen.

  16. Re:Government funding by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    I guess these guys have to be as politically neutral as possible.

    That's crap. Politics has no place in science. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it" comes to mind when politics and science meet.

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  17. The motivation is the problem by Sciros · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whatever changes the Smithsonian makes in the name of giving science exposure, I am fine with. But when they get motivated by politics, and so openly at that, they are compromising everything the Smithsonian stands for!

    Yet another reason I prefer NYC's American Museum of Natural History to its inferior counterpart in D.C.

    And *I* am one of those folks who feels that there is less certainty to the science behind climate change than some researchers (let alone the public) do. So I should be pleased, but I'm not at all. Putting more research up, whether to clarify the picture or to show that most of it is inconclusive, that would be fine. But "toning down" stuff in an unscientific manner (you can "tone down" projections if a statistical analysis makes it appropriate, I suppose) and hiding information is just irresponsible.

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  18. Ever visited the Yasukuni shrine's museum? by mi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You should. Before accusing the US government of polishing up its record, check out what the kind, benign, "Hello Kitty" modern Japan is doing.

    The annexation of Korea? Peaceful merger agreed upon by both countries.

    Colonization (and attempts of same) of the rest of Asia? Defending the fellow Asians from the racist Europeans. (Yes, the same government, that for decades continued to deny citizenship to Koreans in Japan is accusing someone else of "racism")...

    Murder of civilians? Impossible — because Japanese soldiers are the most disciplined in the world (and always have been, you see).

    Every time a Japanese Prime Minister visits the shrine, there are shrieks of him, allegedly, "honoring the war-criminals". That's not true — the handful of criminals there are in a tiny minority among the people, who died furthering the government's conquests without committing any crimes.

    It is the justification for the conquests presented in Yasukuni (and I was only able to see the English versions of them, native versions are, likely, even more extremist), that we should be objecting to...

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    1. Re:Ever visited the Yasukuni shrine's museum? by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Before accusing the US government of polishing up its record, check out what the kind, benign, "Hello Kitty" modern Japan is doing.

      Why? What connection is there between how Japan portrays it's military history and whether the Smithsonian's exhibits are correct, other than the word "museum"? Both institutes have a duty to convey accurate information; they both failed to do so, and in my view that makes them both short of the standard.

      And that's the point: if your standard is "not as bad as the other guy", you don't grasp what "standards" are. It doesn't matter whether you have 5 tons of bullshit or 50 tons, it's still bullshit, and attempting to justify one quantity with the other is a slow race to the bottom.

      Defending the fellow Asians from the racist Europeans.

      Pure propaganda to hide the events of 60 years ago. Fortunately, when we torture and kill civilians today, we're "liberating them in the name of democracy", so it's totally different.

      It is the justification for the conquests presented in Yasukuni that we should be objecting to...

      No, we should be objecting to any distortion of facts by anyone at all, regardless of how trivial it may seem (though I'd argue that unbiased presentations about climate change are more important to the future of the world than Japan acknowledging long past war crimes). Since the majority of /. readers live in the US, it is appropriate for them to be concerned about standards in their own community first and foremost.

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    2. Re:Ever visited the Yasukuni shrine's museum? by Speedracer1870 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It seems you are just as arrogant an American as the rest of us.
      I was in Japan last year for about 2 months. Although I've never been to the Yasakuni shrine, I have visited the Hiroshima Peace Memorial with a Japanese friend. The memorial was suprisingly fair to America, and it must be pretty good to convince a republican Marine of this. I spoke at length with my friend about the bomb. She said, "the winners may write history, but the losers also have their story. They both are slanted."
      My point is this: There are things like the Yasakuni shrine all over America. I'm not saying it's right, but they are out there. (read Lies Across America) It is the responsibility of US to teach our children not to take everything the government says as true, lest they become part of the ignorant masses.
      There is a fate even worse than being uneducated. That would be ignorance with an intellectual superiority complex.

    3. Re:Ever visited the Yasukuni shrine's museum? by caranha · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't quite understand this post, what has Japan to do with this particular story? There are plenty of biased museums around the world, that is for sure.

      Anyway, while I do find the exhibits in Yasukuni's "museum" sick, there is a glaring difference between it and the Smithsonian:

      Yasukuni is a privately run, privately funded institution - The americans made sure to separate it from the government during the U.S. rule of Japan after the 2nd world war.

      Call it biased - it is, and doesn't hide that - but the japanese taxpayer money does not go into it.

  19. Here's one by benhocking · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First of all, I liked the movie. However, one thing that he did exaggerate (by omission) was his discussion of the 20 foot rise in sea levels. Sure, if either the ice on Greenland or the West Shelf of Antarctica melts, sea levels will rise (at least) 20 feet. If both melt, sea levels will rise 40 feet. Of course, no scientist (that I'm aware of) is predicting either to happen in the next 100 years. So, his facts were right, but the implication (that this would happen reasonably soon if things don't change) is not.

    Global warming is serious and should be addressed in an intelligent, deliberate manner. Over-hyping it is counter-productive.

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  20. Re:Well waddaya know.... by jamie · · Score: 5, Informative

    Are you guys still spreading misinformation about the hockey stick?!

    It's 2007...

  21. Caught me off guard... by FunWithKnives · · Score: 3, Insightful

    scaled down a 1995 exhibit of the restored Enola Gay, the B-29 that dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, after veterans complained it focused too much on the damage and deaths.

    Exactly what else was that exhibit supposed to focus on? It was a war. Contrary to what our mass media and politicians would like us to believe, people actually do die in war, and it normally doesn't happen as movies and television like to dramatise. That plane dropped an atomic bomb, the first of its kind and one of only two to ever be dropped, that was responsible for the most deaths ever from a single explosive. If it didn't have that distinction, no one would care. It would just be yet another bomber from World War II. Personally, I think the exhibit should have been far more detailed than it was. Maybe a few shots of the barren wasteland that was once Hiroshima, or victims' fucking shadows etched into the sand from the detonation. The after-effects of the radiation, perhaps.

    All exhibits, however, regardless of how important they seem, should be as detailed as possible. We should absolutely strive to put them in the correct context, and present the facts, unabashed, to the best of our knowledge. Kowtowing to any particular group or person does a grave disservice to society as a whole, because it will only result in the dissemination of misinformation, or at the very least only partial information. We can all digest the facts and come to our own conclusions, but the facts themselves are essential to the process.

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    1. Re:Caught me off guard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem with your response is that the summary is not wholly accurate. The problem the veterans had with the exhibit is not that it had information on the thousands of deaths and the horror that came later. It was the lack of context. The original script for the exhibit spoke of a crippled japan desperately trying to defend itself against the aggression of the US. The implication also made in the original draft that the Japanese started the war with us due to our own racism was what really set people off. The complaint was not that the US killed people, but the lack of context which when coupled with the description of the Japanese's desperation at the end of the war gave what the veterans groups called a bias. Specifically lines such as "For most Americans it was a war of vengeance. For most Japanese, it was a war to defend their unique culture against Western imperialism." support this point when attached to planned photographs of Japanese religious symbols at ground zero. Not saying that the veterans don't have there own agenda, or that the Smithsonian should kowtow to special interests, but the issue was more complicated then the trite summary given.

      You can find the original scripts, just search for the title "The Crossroads: The End of World War II, the Atomic Bomb, and the Origins of the Cold War"

    2. Re:Caught me off guard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is B.S. I remember when this actually occured. This is a qoute from the proposed exhibit: "For most Americans, it was a war of vengeance. For most Japanese, it was a war to defend their unique culture against Western imperialism." It went down hill from there.

      The curators presented Japan as an innocent victim of US aggression. No mention of the Rape of Nanking, the Bataan Death March, Japanese medical experiments on prisoners, or Japanese bio-warefare. Instead, the exhibit dwelt on the Allies blockade of Japan, US internment camps, and the atomic bombing. When criticized for not mentioning the estimates of US and Japanese casualities resulting from an invasion of the Japanese homeland, the currators cited numbers cut by 75% (with no rationale given).

    3. Re:Caught me off guard... by amRadioHed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know this situation, but maybe they failed to mention the million plus that , in all likely hood, would have dies had the bomb not been dropped. That's highly debatable. Japan was already in bad shape and it was likely they were ready to surrender. Maybe the bomb was used was as a show of might to intimidate Russia. That sounds more likely to me than anything having to do with Japan. Someone with a better understanding of US-Russian relations at that point in the war could answer better, I have no idea if future hostilities with Russia where on anyones mind at that point.
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  22. Sometimes... by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...the public damn well should be pissed off. The public has no more of a monopoly on the truth than anyone else, and mythistory can have unexpected and dangerous consequences. Sure, pacifying the public give a nice feel-good glow to life, but it's no different from claiming that we've always been at war with Eurasia.

    Whether the museum curator in the parent posting existed or not, I salute anyone with the guts and gall to question assumptions and place integrity above deceit. And, yes, such people probably will lose jobs and - in rare cases - possibly a whole lot more. History teaches us, however, that in the long run, inaccuracies do get weeded out. Nobody these days uses Geoffrey of Monmouth's History of the British Kings as a textbook, and popular Victorian school texts (which depicted Iron Age Britain as filled with unkempt cave-dwelling barbarians with no language or culture) have been replaced with more reliable and infinitely more believable studies of Celtic life.

    Pissing off the public with the truth is inevitable. It will happen, sooner or later. May as well get it over and done with quickly, even if that carries risk. Life is all about risk - so why not take risks that might make a difference?

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    1. Re:Sometimes... by bigdavex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      History teaches us, however, that in the long run, inaccuracies do get weeded out.

      Devil's Advocate:

      How do we know that? Maybe historians of all times view their current generation as most accurate, even if they're really re-writing history less accurately.

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    2. Re:Sometimes... by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Life is all about risk - so why not take risks that might make a difference?

      Because, with this approach, you WON'T make a difference. There ARE ways to change things more effectively, and without getting fired or shot. The guy who comes in and immediately upsets every applecart will be immediately dismissed as a madman and disposed of.

      The trick is moderation and respect. You don't come in and destroy every icon that the public holds dear. Maybe you quietly change the "This is George Washington's musket" to "Legend has it that this is George Washington's Musket" but you don't just take it down and throw it away. Pissing people off is generally not way to get through to anyone--just a good way to get fired (as the Enola Gay exhibit designers can tell you).

      A museum is NOT the same as the tenured ivory walls of a university. Maybe it SHOULD be, but it most definitely is not. Anyone who thinks this will have a VERY short stay at the Smithsonian or any other public museum, and will influence no one.

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  23. Oblig. by StonedYoda47 · · Score: 2, Funny

    7. ????
    8. Profit!

  24. Re:Warming vs CO2 (cause effect)?? by 2marcus · · Score: 2, Informative
    Quick answer:

    Historically (eg, glacial/interglacials): current best theory is that the first mover was orbital variations (Milankovitch cycles) leading to ice sheet retreat. Ice sheet retreat leads to warming. Warming leads to CO2 outgassing from oceans, CH4 being produced from melting permafrost. CH4 and CO2 increases lead to more warming.

    Present-day: CO2 increase is solely due to human activity. This CO2 increase is a priori expected to lead to temperature increases, and the actual temperature increase seems to be largely explained only by human induced atmospheric changes in forcing, if you include feedbacks (increased water vapor, glacial retreat, etc.)

    Long long ago historically there is evidence that we never would have left snowball earth without the CO2 increases caused by volcanic eruptions over hundreds of thousands of years, and no CO2 sink through rock weathering/ocean uptake because everything was covered by ice.

  25. Re:science by sammy+baby · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't take it personally. After first contact, there were a lot of people who didn't trust the Vulcans.

  26. Re:Common knowledge? On what channel? by Ambitwistor · · Score: 2, Informative

    What do you think they do? Look who authored the report. I don't see any scientific credentials there.

    You obviously haven't looked at the report. Check out the SPM drafting authors. Just off the top of my head, I recognize Alley, Hegerl, Joos, Stocker, Stouffer, and Stott ... all well known scientists.

    Hell, read the report, or even the summary for lawmakers. See how often the words "could" and "if" are used.

    Wow, scientists aren't 100% sure what will happen. The United Nations must be corrupt.

  27. Re:Well waddaya know.... by 2marcus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why don't you take a look at the US National Academy Assessment of the hockey-stick cluster of studies rather than relying on climateaudit.org? Though the 4th Assessment Report isn't a bad place to look either. Also, I believe that the hockey stick always came with error bars, and was fairly good for a first pass, and subsequent studies have mostly confirmed Mann's argument that the current global scale warming is likely unprecedented in the past 1000 years.

  28. This might be a bit off-topic by photomonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was on assignment in Washington DC for the spring and summer months of 2004. The last time I had been there prior to 2004 was when I was about 8.

    In what time off work I could find, I went to the Smithsonians (except the portrait museum, as it was closed, and the Native American museum, because it had not yet opened), and was rather disappointed by all but one.

    The Air and Space museum, although home to a lot of really cool planes, was filthy. Dust everywhere, stained floors, etc. Also, from what I do remember about my visit now nearly 20 years later, much of the museum's public collection was the same. In fact, I didn't find much to look at there beyond the planes themselves. There were no interesting placards that I can recall, no interesting multimedia, and seemingly no information newer than about 1991.

    The same goes for the American History museum. It seemed very propaganda-y. Major cultural divides throughout US history were glossed over or ignored completely. I remember specifically reading about how something to the effect of "some native peoples were unhappy about the country's expansion across the Great Plains." Yeah, I bet at least a few were unhappy.

    What saddens me the most is that while I was there, the Natural History museum was the best one. Their displays were modernized, they had exhibits about current issues, the IMAX I went to was great, the facility was clean and the placards with the exhibits, although were somewhat simplified, were appropriate for a somewhat educated audience.

    The Smithsonian Institution really is one of America's treasures. When people visit London, they hit the British Museum. In Paris, it's the Louvre. DC has the Smithsonian(s). Those facilities are home to much of the physical historical record of this country. They see millions of visitors per year.

    Why not put politics aside, at least mostly, and let them be run as well as they deserve to be?

    Sadly, I suspect I already know the answer.

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  29. Re:Your tinfoil hat is showing.... by jahudabudy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Please tell me some of the other conspiracies from your rich internal life.

    For some reason, this phrase conjured pictures of his spleen plotting against his pancreas...

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  30. Re:Well waddaya know.... by Ambitwistor · · Score: 2, Informative

    So let me guess - they put in the Hockey Stick and then someone pointed out that its a scientific crock of shit.

    In point of fact, the independent NAS review panel found that when you correct Mann's hockey stick you get ... a hockey stick: they concluded that the recent warming is a robust feature of the data, although they said the error bars on the earlier reconstructions should be widened. And that doesn't even begin to address all of the other paleoclimate reconstructions by other researchers, using different and independent methods, which also found hockey sticks.

    Skeptics like to hold up Mann (or Hansen, or Gore) as some kind of archetype, who if knocked down would bring down the whole scientific theory of global warming with them, but that is far from true. The scientific case for global warming does not rest on any one individual.

  31. Re:Well waddaya know.... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Informative
    Would that be the same McKitrick whose research is funded by the Fraser Institute, whose main benefactors are the oil and gas industries, particlucarly ExxonMobil, who stipulated that the funds they donate are for research of climate change? FYI, The Fraser Institute has collected over $400k since its inception, and over half that has been from ExxonMobil ($120,000 in 2003-4 alone).

    And the same Stephen McIntyre who holds no advanced degree and has never been published in an ISI peer-reviewed journal?

    So they hid it behind spaghetti and made it fuzzy like they did in the IPCC 4th Assessment. Would I be close?
    No, you wouldn't be close. Further research and sampling will (surprise, surprise) cause people to update their data sets to reflect the further research. The hockey stick model still fits, though possibly not as dramatically as Mann's original model.

    Shall we see who is the biggest abuser of censorship? Step right up.
    Oh, give it a rest. Instead of blaming 'censorship', why don't you blame the weakness of your sources and the fact that your arguments have been debunked multiple times before?
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  32. Why should that excuse anything? by benhocking · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Just because someone else is doing it (even if they're doing it worse), it doesn't make it OK for us to do. What's most puzzling is this comment:

    It is the justification for the conquests presented in Yasukuni (and I was only able to see the English versions of them, native versions are, likely, even more extremist), that we should be objecting to...
    Why can't we object to both?
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  33. Re:science by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, but the power of fear diminishes exponentially over time.
    Thus, showing "An Inconvenient Truth" to high-schoolers four or five times makes them indifferent, or worse, nihilistic.
    Get the kids some exercise, get them playing some sports, get them into photographing nature. Make the bad things seem boring.
    Summary: the positive approach is the better long-term investment, unless you're a shrink or an anti-depressant vendor.

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  34. Re:slight correction by OwnedByTwoCats · · Score: 2, Informative

    In fact, we (Truman) blew one up specifically to show the Japanese what we were capable of
    Check your facts. Nuclear explosion #1: trinity test site, New Mexico, top secret. Nuclear explosion #2: Hiroshima. #3: Nagasaki. Then came the test shots. The extent to which they were directed at the Soviet Union and China is debatable.
  35. Re:Common knowledge? On what channel? by Ambitwistor · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "In Europe, Henk Tennekes was dismissed as research director of the Royal Dutch Meteorological Society after questioning the scientific underpinnings of global warming. Aksel Winn-Nielsen, former director of the U.N.'s World Meteorological Organization, was tarred by Bert Bolin, first head of the IPCC, as a tool of the coal industry for questioning climate alarmism. Respected Italian professors Alfonso Sutera and Antonio Speranza disappeared from the debate in 1991, apparently losing climate-research funding for raising questions."

    Ah, spin. Was Tennekes dismissed for asking uncomfortable questions? There is no evidence of this; as far as I can tell, he simply retired, and most of his public skepticism was after he left. (And even if he was dismissed, what were the circumstances? Was he speaking in an official capacity, or his own? He arguably doesn't have free reign to use his job title to trump up support for a position at odds with his employer.) Was Winn-Nielsen a tool of the coal industry? Did Sutera and Speranza lose funding for raising uncomfortable questions? Or because they were out-competed by other proposals? It's not as if they were blackballed: they're both still publishing, as is Lindzen!

    The notion that if you're ignorant of something and somebody comes up with a wrong answer, and you have to accept that because you don't have another wrong answer to offer is like faith healing

    A straw man. The IPCC does not push such a notion.

    When IPCC numbers are at the edge of the error bars, What IPCC numbers are at the edge of the error bars?

    and situations so laughably implausable as the A1FI scenario are treated as genuine risks, you've stepped far from the realm of science. The SRES emissions scenarios have their flaws, but are not "laughably implausible"; see, e.g., the conclusions of Tol, O'Neill, and van Vuuren (2005). In any case, the A1 scenarios are not believed to be the most likely.

    It is not okay to say that we're going to put a large number of cities underwater

    The IPCC does not say this.

    and that we are certain that is all on the back of CO2.

    Nor this.
  36. It's not about pissing, Its about voting. by Irvu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When Bush and Congress stand up for their stump speeches and tout how well they've done they feel that its important that we actually believe that, particularly when they say they've done a good job studying global warming because we don't know enough as Bush is wont to say.

    If, however the general public actually learns that the problem is real and hasn't been attacked aggressively then they'll start shopping around for someone else to protect them.

    While historically speaking the comparison to evolution is apt it might be better to compare it with the level of "terrorist threat" or the war with Eurasia. In the former case the issue is one of protection, are we making our "way of life" safer. With the War on Terror(tm) the claim is that Bush and Cronies are fighting the enemy and succeeding (look how many terrorists we have convicted and put behind bars). With Global Warming the claim is that it isn't a problem so they don't have to act on it. In either case the tendency to lash out at those who say that they are doing a bad job with respect to terror (journalists, PBS, research scientists) or global warming (scientists again, schools and museums) is just a natural reaction. Because if they aren't doing a good job they lose the license to give kickbacks and generally ruin things that they now have.

    At the end of the day it is all about power and money.

  37. Re:Well waddaya know.... by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 3, Informative

    And yet the removal of the bristlecone pines is the main thing that keeps McIntyre & McKintick's analysis from showing the same results as Mann's. So their analysis is not sensitive to the inclusion of the pines.

    What ARE you talking about? The HS was replicated by McIntyre. The HS was the result of the massive overweighting of bristlecone pines, a proxy known to be NOT a temperature proxy. McIntyre showed that without the bristlecones, the HS shape disappeared.

    Their analysis should that with or without the bristlecones, the HS failed multiple statistical tests for significance.

    Oh? Please explain how it is statistically insignificant? No one, not even McIntyre & Mckintick, claimed that the findings were statistically insignificant -- they just disputed the data samples and reconstructed the graph according to their own cherry-picked data. Note that even when analyzed over the 1000-year mean, instead of Mann's original 20-year mean, the hockey stick still appears, and is still statistically significant.

    It fails two key tests, R2 and the Durbin-Watson. Both showed zero significance.

    M&M DID claim that the findings were statistically insignificant. And just in case you think its a fluke, a replication by friends of Mann, Wahl and Ammann also showed zero significance for the R2 test.

    The rest of your statements are simply rubbish.

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  38. Re:Well waddaya know.... by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 2, Informative

    In point of fact, the independent NAS review panel found that when you correct Mann's hockey stick you get ... a hockey stick: they concluded that the recent warming is a robust feature of the data, although they said the error bars on the earlier reconstructions should be widened. And that doesn't even begin to address all of the other paleoclimate reconstructions by other researchers, using different and independent methods, which also found hockey sticks.

    That Panel also recommended that bristlecones should not be used as they were not a robust temperature proxy - but all of them included Mann's PC1 with its heavy overweighting of bristlecones, as a Proxy. They all failed tests for statistical significance, just like the HS.

    In no sense were the others "independent". They used the same set of proxies over and over again.

    Skeptics like to hold up Mann (or Hansen, or Gore) as some kind of archetype, who if knocked down would bring down the whole scientific theory of global warming with them, but that is far from true. The scientific case for global warming does not rest on any one individual.

    The archetype is the complete lack of ethics by any of them as well as a willingness to exaggerate their asses off. ALl of this has been documented.

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  39. Re:science by mfrank · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's not being caused by rising sea levels, chief. The Mississippi river is all leveed up and it's not depositing any more sediment onto the delta. The delta's being eaten away by waves. You can blame the Army Corps Of Engineers for that fubar.

  40. What fucking blows me away by theolein · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here in Europe, where I live, in Africa, where my mother lives, in Australia, where my sister lives, the climate has obviously been changing over the last one and a half decades.

    When I got to Europe in 1986, there was snow in winter on the local hills near to Zurich here in Switzerland so that kids could go skiing almost all winter, and people said they were used to that. Since then, the winters have gotten progressively warmer until there is often no snow on those local hills anymore long enough for more than one or two days of skiing, the whole winter. The summers have been starting earlier and earlier, so that this last April, the warmest EVER in HUMAN MEMORY, I was in a short sleeves in very warm sunny weather. In 2003, Europe had the hottest summer EVER. Last october, was the second hottest EVER recorded. The mountains in the Alps are losing their glaciers VISIBLY, not just in some geeky scientific measurements. The permafrost holding many of the highest together, is melting, causing massive landslides.

    South Africa, where I come from, has gotten progessively warmer and drier in the same time. The high plateau inland down there, which at no point is below 1000 metres above sea level (about 3300 feet for the metrically challenged), didn't used to get much warmer than around 30 degrees Centigrade (86 Fahrenheit) in summer due to the altitude. In the summers now, the temperatures have regularly started to reach 36 degrees centigrade.

    Australia, where my sister lives, is having one of the worst if not the worst drought the country has ever experienced, so much so, that scientists are beginning to think it might actually be a climate shift, i.e. it might be semi permanent.

    What fucking blows me away, when climate change is pretty obvious to the naked, dumbass eye, without needing to see scientific measurements, is that some people are still fucking disputing this. I'm not talking about Greenland or Antarctica or northern Canada, since I don't live there. I'm talking about stuff that I can see. It blows my mind that so many here dispute it. Is there no such obvious change in America? Or is it that Americans spend so much of their lives in air conditioned houses that they don't notice?