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Handmade Steampunk Rayguns From the F/X Guys at Weta

An anonymous reader writes "Wired is presenting a gallery of artwork that inspired Weta's collectible rayguns, plus exclusive photos of the retrofurist sidearms. The article offers more than just images; each weapon has a description of where they were inspired from, as well as possible uses. 'In this illustration by Greg Broadmore, a hunter poses with his latest kill and his elegant retrofurist rifle ... "I started drawing these things just for fun," says Broadmore. "I did dozens of designs, all really stylized and Flash Gordon looking. I remember those black and white serials playing on TV as a kid and the imagery always stuck with me. Really hokey, but really scary and weird at the same time. And, of course, if you're a fan of classic rayguns you'll see the influence of the old toy rayguns. The Buck Rogers disintegrator pistol -- of course directly referenced in Han Solo's blaster in Star Wars -- is iconic, and that original raygun, along with many others, inspired me massively.'"

103 comments

  1. Weird... by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

    I was just talking about steampunk and am sending a friend the pilot of Amazing Screw On Head right now. Wish they'd make the damn series...

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  2. Safety compliant? by badzilla · · Score: 1, Funny

    Where's the orange plastic blob at the barrel end?

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    1. Re:Safety compliant? by johnny+cashed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These aren't toy guns, they're art pieces. No self respecting artist is going to make them "safety compliant".

    2. Re:Safety compliant? by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Where's the orange plastic blob at the barrel end?

      If I put a blob for you, would you still hand a $1500 art piece to your kid to "shoot" around?

    3. Re:Safety compliant? by EinZweiDrei · · Score: 1

      Orange light, of course, existing near the top of the rainbow, which is to say, possessing enough height to travel neatly over one's head.

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    4. Re:Safety compliant? by rspress · · Score: 1

      I would like to have one of the working Sandman guns from Logans Run. It was a glorified lighter, but it surely looked cool with the flames shooting out at angles.

    5. Re:Safety compliant? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      I always thought that the orange plug at the end of a toy pistol was so that the cops would not mistake it for a real gun, and tragically shoot the child.

      If your steampunk ray gun needs an orange plug, then I would say that your local police force has been eating doughnuts filled with LSD.

    6. Re:Safety compliant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Mmmmmmm donuts filled with LSD. Why do you have 3 heads Marge?

    7. Re:Safety compliant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always thought that the orange plug at the end of a toy pistol was so that the cops would not mistake it for a real gun, and tragically shoot the child. Oh Noes! what if the "bad guys"(tm) start painting the ends of their gun muzzles orange??

  3. Just imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    evil lair
    a beowulf cluster of these
    ???
    profit! (world domination)

  4. I'd rather see a firearm by Excelcia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd rather see a sci-fi use a firearm, like Firefly did and Battlestar Galactica does, than have them insult my intelligence with the twisty, curvy, spiky, doo-dad-ly junk we've been fed the last fifty years. I mean, for artistic reasons, every show is going to want to have the iconic BFG every now and then. For humour value if nothing less. You see this in Firefly sometimes. But weapons exist for one reason, to make it easier to project force. I don't look back at "ray gun" designs with fondness. I see a bunch of catering to the lowest-common-denominator intelligence, let's make things look as funky different as possible just to make them look funky different. It was a tool used by bad writers and bad producers who didn't have content that was distinctive enough, so had to be distinctive with bling.

    1. Re:I'd rather see a firearm by l3mr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Other people just have fonds memories of old, trashy sci-fi movies or the Fallout games...these cater to that crowd. Me, for example.

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    2. Re:I'd rather see a firearm by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But weapons exist for one reason, to make it easier to project force.

      And were science-fiction movies documentaries, you'd have a point. But they're not. They're entertainment, and I'm entertained by fancy weapons, loud explosions in space, and planetary princesses whose costumes are held up solely by centrifugal force.

      It was a tool used by bad writers and bad producers who didn't have content that was distinctive enough, so had to be distinctive with bling.

      "Content?" "Content" is for websites. Movies are a visual medium, and the art direction and photography can be at least as important to the movie as the script, if the director says so. If you don't want the creator mucking up the plot with sounds and visuals, read a novel. Just stay away from E.R. Burroughs, and other classic authors of the genre.

      I see a bunch of catering to the lowest-common-denominator intelligence

      For the record, I'm smarter than you. And I say, "Bring on the Laser Beams!"

    3. Re:I'd rather see a firearm by atrocious+cowpat · · Score: 4, Funny

      "planetary princesses whose costumes are held up solely by centrifugal force."

      I think you meant: "held up [...] by the gravitational pull of their tits."

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    4. Re:I'd rather see a firearm by aurispector · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Me, too. These are art objects paying homage to designs from the beginnings of sci-fi and science itself. If you dont get the humor in the vials "phlogiston and aether" this is not for you.

      I can understand someone disliking bad and/or inappropriate set design, but some folks will have a bad attitude toward everything - honestly it's their loss.

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    5. Re:I'd rather see a firearm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm.... I guess you're a redneck American who actually thinks movies are real, and blowing away all the black hats before the end of the film is what a man's gotta do?

      Congratulations on the success of your foreign policy, then!

    6. Re:I'd rather see a firearm by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you want to watch shows that portray things realistically, why are you watching sci-fi in the first place? Humans have always had a desire to make things look beautiful, or powerful, or graceful, etc. Firefly is a perfect example of things done for the aesthetics rather than because they're "practical"; heck, it's a western set in space. They often ride horses. The ship is designed to look like a big bug because it *can*. It has a butt and it lights up, for goodness' sake! I think you're barking up the wrong tree here.

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    7. Re:I'd rather see a firearm by toQDuj · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, surely not every part on an ordinary firearm was designed with pure functionality in mind. I am thinking of the "bling" on old revolvers. Pearl handles, patterns on the side and such.

      So the Bling on a ray-gun might be a little over the top in our eyes, perhaps they are nothing more than a simple bit of decoration, or (you never know) it might actually have function. No-one can tell wether they are useless twisty spiky, doo-dadly junk that are stuck to the side, or functional elements. That's fiction for you.

      B.

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    8. Re:I'd rather see a firearm by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2, Funny

      But you need a permit to buy a firearm.

      Not so with a laser.

    9. Re:I'd rather see a firearm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      This is exactly why Han Solo's gun was based on
      an old "broom handle" Mauser.

    10. Re:I'd rather see a firearm by TempeTerra · · Score: 1

      OMGPONIES!!!

      I was casually reading the comments without r'ing tfa as usual but... phlogiston and aether!?! That's awesome!

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    11. Re:I'd rather see a firearm by Skroggtar · · Score: 1

      Say what you will, but a vacuum tube-powered space gun (such as one in TFA) is and always will be cooler than any realistic firearm. As an art piece based on a specific style, it not only makes a but of esoteric sense but also just sort of rules.

    12. Re:I'd rather see a firearm by solitas · · Score: 1

      Take a click over to http://manybooks.net/categories/SFC - you can freely download (it's all in with the Gutenberg project) all KINDS of classic scientifiction that haven't had their copyrights renewed.

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    13. Re:I'd rather see a firearm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. It was because the British did it, and they're intelligent.

      If we had done it, it would have looked like Flash Gordon.

    14. Re:I'd rather see a firearm by Chrisje · · Score: 1

      Content is not for websites. And Science Fiction is not for the movies.

      Any decent Sci-Fi book I've ever read, be it Ender's Game, the Foundation or Dune, is an exercise in philosophical thinking. They either look long and hard at human behavior in extreme situations (The moon is a harsh mistress, anyone?) or they test socio-economical theories (Foundation) or it deals with Psychology (Ender's game), but it's never about the DF-Disruptor 2000 rifle with the twisty nobbies on it.

      This is why I am a Battlestar Galactica and Star Trek fan. A phaser has always been a phaser, and looks somewhat like a techy remote control. No funky knobs, dials and other bollocks. You put the thing on Stun and watch 'm go rigid when they get hit. There.

      For me to suspend disbelief, a couple of things are necessary. And one of those things must be that technological advancements look as such. I don't buy medieval looking ray guns. Unless there's a good, thorough explanation as to why they should look that way.

      The one possible exception to all I just said (but really the only one I can think of) is Luc Besson's 5th Element. That was camp, kitsch and all that, and I loved it.

  5. Okay, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    inquiring geeks want to know if they work or not. :)

    1. Re:Okay, but... by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 1

      ...and if they run on Linux...oh wait, sorry, wrong troll

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  6. Steampunk = trendy tard-speak by wheelgun · · Score: 0, Troll

    Did an entire generation of people fail to learn basic words like 'archaic' and 'anachronistic' in high school? Maybe 'mechanical' was also missing from the vocabulary list.

    1. Re:Steampunk = trendy tard-speak by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did an entire generation of people fail to learn basic words like 'archaic' and 'anachronistic' in high school? Maybe 'mechanical' was also missing from the vocabulary list.

      Well, steampunk is easier to write than "An archaic Victorian-era style mechanical device, with obviously modern/post-Victorian elements such as computers/lasers/etc"

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    2. Re:Steampunk = trendy tard-speak by Suertreus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, at least we don't say "tard-speak."

    3. Re:Steampunk = trendy tard-speak by wheelgun · · Score: 1

      Yes, but I fail to see how your inability to compose a concise description of an anachronistic ray gun without the use of trendy slang addresses my annoyance. It only exemplifies it.

    4. Re:Steampunk = trendy tard-speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, new words are formed all the time. "Steampunk" has come to mean a Victorian-era setting with anachronistic technological elements notably missing electronics. (This article summary would be using an adjective form, describing things reminiscent of that genre of fiction.)

      The word is in common use(which is obviously what makes it "a word"). It's also listed in several dictionaries.

      The inability of people to concisely express new concepts in old terms is part of what makes language evolve.

      Despising it in the general case is absurd; the words "archaic" and "anachronistic" were also formed at some point when someone found it inconvenient to express themselves without them. Why is "steampunk" "trendy tard-speak" and those words aren't? Let me answer my own question: because your distaste for the word is not an expression of the seemingly rational position you explain in your post above, but rather of general simple linguistic nostalgia—a distaste for the new and unknown(and "trendy") and a longing for the old and familiar.

    5. Re:Steampunk = trendy tard-speak by vidarh · · Score: 1
      "Anachronistic ray gun" is not a precise description. An anachronism is something that is set in the wrong era. If we accept that it's even right to refer to an object as anachronistic in itself without a setting, it is still not a precise description. Using the term steampunk references it as something that is likely to have been anachronistic if set in Victorian times, but which is based around technological choices that seems archaic today, even if the object itself might even still be beyond technological reach. It also visually implies certain stylistic choices.

      I'm not saying it's wrong to say "anachronistic ray gun", but it's not saying nearly as much. So come on, give us a concise description that avoids the use of "trendy slang" and is actually precise.

    6. Re:Steampunk = trendy tard-speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So come on, give us a concise description that avoids the use of "trendy slang" and is actually precise.

      Overpriced, pointless shit. How's that?

    7. Re:Steampunk = trendy tard-speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I agree with a lot of what you've written, I do have to agree with the OP that the use of "steampunk" is very much a trendy term only used within very small circles. It is not found in any standard dictionary, as you claim. Also, your comparing it to words such as "archaic" and "anachronistic" also fails, because these words have a clear history and standard etymology, as both are derived from Greek. The etymology of "steampunk" is essentially a bastardization of another equally trendy word, "cyberpunk." Neither of these words is particularly descriptive on their own. They only have meaning when you understand the context in which they were formed--that is, a small (but somewhat popular) genre of science fiction.

    8. Re:Steampunk = trendy tard-speak by aurispector · · Score: 2, Insightful

      trendy tard speak or not, as soon as I heard the term "Steampunk" I knew exactly what they were talking about.

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    9. Re:Steampunk = trendy tard-speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because you're familiar with the term "cyberpunk." Again, while it's somewhat popular, I'd be surprised if even one percent of the population knows what it means. However, this site is one of the places where you can get away with using terms like "cyberpunk" and "steampunk."

    10. Re:Steampunk = trendy tard-speak by aurispector · · Score: 1

      Yes, exactly. The fact remains that the word efficiently communicated the intended meaning. However I am in fact trendy, a Tard AND I speak.

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    11. Re:Steampunk = trendy tard-speak by ErikZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Considering you're the only one who has ever been annoyed by having a concise, unique word to describe something...

      I'm thinking it's you.

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    12. Re:Steampunk = trendy tard-speak by RetroRichie · · Score: 1

      Consider this reply evidence of at least two people greatly annoyed by the existence of this word.

    13. Re:Steampunk = trendy tard-speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want an annoying word? Try this on: metrosexual.

      Discuss.

    14. Re:Steampunk = trendy tard-speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "So come on, give us a concise description that avoids the use of "trendy slang" and is actually precise.

      Overpriced, pointless shit. How's that?"

      The word you're looking for is "art."

    15. Re:Steampunk = trendy tard-speak by auld_wyrm · · Score: 1

      http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=steampunk Definition: a genre of science fiction set in Victorian times when steam was the main source of machine power; also written [steam-punk] I would have thought Webster's would count as a standard dictionary? Besides, if we wanted to get into etymology, does not the suffix 'punk' suffer from being trendy tard-speak too?

  7. I want a Lazy Gun by 15Bit · · Score: 5, Interesting
    1. Re:I want a Lazy Gun by auld_wyrm · · Score: 1

      I'd settle for the Nightside's Speaking Gun in a pinch though.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_gun

  8. I don't see it... by Loligo · · Score: 2, Informative


    Beyond the images in the article, I just did a google image search for "buck rogers pistol" and don't see anything significantly relevant to Han Solo's D-44... if anything, it reminds me just how little they changed the Mauser Broomhandle to turn it into a blaster.

      -l

  9. Where's the handmade steampunk baggage scanner ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Along with a few work colleagues I met Richard Taylor here in New Zealand a year or so back after he'd just returned from the Academy Awards in LA. He showed us a metal carry case which contained a couple of these guns and mentioned in passing that he'd carried them with him on the flight home. I had mental pictures of the ATS guy sitting behind the LAX baggage scanner going through a "it's a gun, no wait, it's not a gun..." endless loop.

  10. Well I heard... by yogurtforthesoul · · Score: 0, Troll

    I heard that Weta's F/X team was originally going to give Frodo a laser gun to blind Sauron. They had to retract it though because of the Geneva Conventions.

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  11. Whaddaya mean, 'fiction'? by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm building a Van de Graaff generator from which I'ma try accelereating an electron beam, or bolt. It won't of course be portable, but it would be fun if I could fling plasma a meter or so away from the VDG gen. With some metal sheets I could build a rather large air-gap capacitator that I could first charge with the VDG and then tap to a coil to pull the free electrons from the VDG.

    Okay, maybe a bit sci-fi, but I'm having fun building the VDG regardless. :D

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    1. Re:Whaddaya mean, 'fiction'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't a Tesla Coil (or even an Oudin coil) be a better choice - it's got a continuous discharge rather than a pulsed one. Stick an excimer laser with remote aim control on the top to pre-ionise the path and you could be all set.

      I made a Tesla coil of my own once. My arc length record was just about 2 metres.

      Alex

    2. Re:Whaddaya mean, 'fiction'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, yeah, don't bother building a cap yourself. They are a *huge* pain, your dielectric (LDPE usually) must be of excellent quality, and you need to immerse it in insulating oil and drive out all the air with vacuum cycling. They will also weigh into the 10s of kilos.

      Either see if you can source some second-hand pulse-grade (eg Maxwells) off eBay or try making an MMC:

      http://deepfriedneon.com/tesla_mmc.html

      The latter have proven very durable for the price and they're the easiest to source, although there will be a small amount of soldering/mounting required.

    3. Re:Whaddaya mean, 'fiction'? by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 1

      I don't have much copper wire laying about, but I might build one of those if I get bored with the VDG. The VDG is safer than a Tesla coil, so for a newbie like me it seems like just the ring thing.

      Big sparks is not something I'm really interested in since those are rather difficult to control and not very useful. Another experiment I'd like to try is to spin highly charged bodies around in a circle by mechanical force and see how strong a magnetic field I can generate that way. It'd be like a wire loop in which current circulates, but without the wire. I could easily charge these bodies with a VDG but I'm not sure a Tesla coil wouldn't just fry the bodies. Say I got 100kV into one body, have eight of them on a bicycle wheel and spin that around as fast as I could. The current should be quite significant. - What will happen?

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    4. Re:Whaddaya mean, 'fiction'? by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 1

      Hm. No, I don't really need to do all that. What I'm thinking of is one of these without the actual variable bit. The further I space the plates from each other the higher the voltage tolerance of the cap would be, but the stored charge lessens. If I was to evacuate a chamber for the cap I'd have the very best possible dielectric, but that's effort I'm no interested in. Instead I figure I'd have a number or large metal plates stacked up with about an inch or so in between them.

      If I really wanted to use an oil dielectric, I could just pour castrol oil from high up in a thin, thin stream. That way I'd get the air bubbles out without worrying about vacuum.

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    5. Re:Whaddaya mean, 'fiction'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trouble is at the kind of voltages and stored energy you're looking at, every sharp edge becomes a corona/discharge point. Also every bit of inter-plate insulation becomes subject to ozone degradation and subsequent tracking/arcover in an air dielectric. And I think the capacitance is inversely proportional to the square of the plate spacing, so at an inch your probably looking at about a roomful of metal for 0.01uF!

      I guess though that such a thing would look more retro than a bunch of yellow caps.

      I get where you're coming from with the TC, but I've taken discharges from a 6ft VDG and they hurt quite a bit!

      BTW, Vacuum tube TCs look really retro and can be table-sized. As for the VDG I saw, it was really well made - you might want to search for "UK Teslathon" on google - I think I saw it in 2004 or 5. I can't remember the name of the chap that made it though. All said, any HV device should be treated with the greatest of respect. Even a small jolt could distract your attention enough to make an error somewhere else that could prove dangerous, eg dropping tools, tripping over cables, etc.

      Sounds like a very fun project though, good luck!

    6. Re:Whaddaya mean, 'fiction'? by Ceriel+Nosforit · · Score: 1

      Aye. I know about sharp edges and coronas, but thank you very much for the warning. ;)
      The insulation degrading I didn't know about, but I figure I'd mount the plates on two metal frames that also worked as conductors for each pole. Plumbing copper tubing would work. Then only air would be my insulator.
      You're right about an inch being a bit much, but the situation isn't quite that bad. Either way I'm more interested in a high break-down voltage than a high capacitance since I'll be dealing with high voltages. And indeed it would look a lot cooler than a cap bank. ;)

      Pain is IMO tolerable, but with high voltage only I'm unlikely to suffer much worse than burns. Add amperage, don't even need one unit of it, and things turn lethal. I figure the VDG will make me to avoid death through avoiding pain. :)

      Google implies it was Tim Davey's VDG in 2004. I can tell you mine will have a prettier sphere since I'll be using those stainless, rimless steel bowls from Ikea. ;) 28 cm in diameter, but there is a larger yet version available. I should be able to build up a significant charge on it still. The tubing I'm using for support is however just plain old grey PVC drain tubing. Quite ugly, but easily replaceable. At any rate this is a first attempt for me at these things, so getting the thing to just produce static electricity is enough for now. I can then work to improve it.

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  12. Retrofurist? by Handyman · · Score: 4, Funny

    What the fsck is "retrofurist"? It's even in TFA. I'm guessing they meant to say "retrofuturist", but being lysdectics they had an excuse to use this abbrevion...

    1. Re:Retrofurist? by jcr · · Score: 3, Funny

      What the fsck is "retrofurist"?

      Someone who's furious in a retrograde manner?

      -jcr

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    2. Re:Retrofurist? by famebait · · Score: 2, Funny

      What the fsck is "retrofurist"?

      A person who identifies with or is sexually attracted
      to old-fashioned stuffed toys and/or anthropomorphic
      animal characters in fiction and illustration.

      Derived from "furry", denoting the similar but more common
      inclination that accepts, and is chiefly oriented towards,
      more modern depictions. Adherents of retrofurism mostly
      use only "furist" to denote their group, feeling its
      clever variation on "furry" suffices to convey the archaic
      aspect. "Retro" is added mostly by outsiders to the group,
      or in communication with them, in order to avoid
      misunderstandings.

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    3. Re:Retrofurist? by atrocious+cowpat · · Score: 1

      What the fsck is "retrofurist"?

      Where the android Rachael got her coat?

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    4. Re:Retrofurist? by dasunt · · Score: 1

      Don't ask me, I'm still stuck on how this is 'steampunk'.

      Are rayguns steampunk technology?

      Or has the 'steampunk' genre evolved into anything goes in a Victorian-era setting?

    5. Re:Retrofurist? by Handyman · · Score: 1

      Or has the 'steampunk' genre evolved into anything goes in a Victorian-era setting?

      AFAICT the 'steampunk' label basically applies to anything that you could have seen in the movie Wild Wild West or in Back To The Future III. But IIRC the guns in WWW were normal guns, so this has to have been from BTTF3. But that used regular guns too. So: no steampunk. Period.
    6. Re:Retrofurist? by JackSpratts · · Score: 1

      that's no android, that's my wife!

      and btw, it's replicant. sheez.

      - deckard

    7. Re:Retrofurist? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Oh, it's about harking back to the days when science fiction married the ideas of futuristic technology with spirit of European colonial imperialism. With a fast rocket ship under your feet and a deadly raygun on your hip, the galaxy was your oyster, and most of the organisms in it grit that hadn't transformed into a pearl.

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    8. Re:Retrofurist? by uradu · · Score: 1

      I guess the word looked "about right" to them, just like all those guns. Perhaps it's a steampunk expression?!

    9. Re:Retrofurist? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      In other words, "The future ain't as cool as it used to be."

      Take Disneyworld's "Tomorrowland" for a great example. I haven't been to Disneyworld in about 20 years, but by the 1980's Tomorrowland was looking really dated. It was a 1960's version of the future, which today looks like the 1960's. When they renovated Tomorrowland, they went for a more "classic", less "realistic" futuristic look, which (from what little I've seen in photographs) won't look any more dated in the 2010's than in the 1990's.

      In fact, I would say that that's the reason for the whole "steampunk" genre in the first place. In science fiction, the "future" looks too much like today, but for the addition of breakthroughs in physics and technology, like FTL travel, real AI, etc, there really isn't as much visually to excite us as there used to be, maybe because thanks to photorealistic computer graphics, we've seen it all.

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  13. Missing an important element! by bertok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wish more artists would embrace realistic fantasy.

    It sounds like an oxymoron, but it's the difference between a movie only kids could enjoy, and something adults would want to go see too.

    The first thing that struck me about those pictures is that nobody would ever, ever, ever use one of those contrived contraptions in a battle. A weapon in a science fiction flick can shoot lasers, warp space, or spray hot grits, but no weapon, fictional or real, can have that many protrusions. You'd never get it into, our out of, a holster. Every branch and bush would tear it out of your hand. And a gun with a glass bulb as a functional unit? Are you kidding me? The reason the guns looked so awesome in Star Wars was because they were made from real guns. Many of them were made from, or based on, real, practical designs. The science fiction element was that they shot laser beams.

    There's suspension of disbelief, then there's suspension of common sense. Not the same thing!

    Rant over. Please return to your scheduled fawning. 8)

    1. Re:Missing an important element! by vidarh · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Do you also complain because cartoons look drawn?

      These specifically reference a subgenre that never concerned itself with realism.

      Realism or at least practicality in sci fi has it's place, but this is not it.

    2. Re:Missing an important element! by Tribbin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't agree with you. All auxilery modular options an an 'mech' with extensions make it look kooler.

      http://images.google.nl/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=nl &q=mech

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    3. Re:Missing an important element! by choconutdancer · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Those guns seem totally ridiculous to me. I'd rather have a Stargate P90 any day.

    4. Re:Missing an important element! by denali99755 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's an awesome aspect in steampunk culture that is concerned with practicality as well, though...google 'steampunk keyboard' to see what I mean. IANASP, but the element of the steampunk aesthetic that really impresses me is the imagining of real-world devices with a late nineteenth century twist.

      I agree with parent...these don't look practical at all; any self-respecting steampunk warrior would be better off with a trusty .45. ;)

    5. Re:Missing an important element! by Goaway · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please, just because your imagination and sense of wonder is so limited, don't try to drag the rest of us down with you.

      Thank you.

    6. Re:Missing an important element! by Darlantan · · Score: 1

      No kidding!
      FNH's P90 PDW -- the gun so badass that MacGyver uses it to defend earth from evil alien armies.
      Let's not forget the companion sidearm, the Five-seveN -- perfect for pistolwhipping any crazy scientist who becomes VP and thinks that they're a Cylon.

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    7. Re:Missing an important element! by frogstar_robot · · Score: 1

      Actually, they put me in mind of Kill-O-Zap guns:

      "Standing silhouetted in the doorway through which they had entered the vault was the man who wasn't pleased to see them. His displeasure was communicated partly by the barking hectoring quality of his voice and partly by the viciousness with which he waved a long silver Kill-O-Zap gun at them. The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. "Make it evil," he'd been told. "Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with."

    8. Re:Missing an important element! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. These things are 100% about appearances - they're supposed to look cool, with practicality being a *long* way down the list.

    9. Re:Missing an important element! by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

      The reason the guns looked so awesome in Star Wars was because they were made from real guns. Many of them were made from, or based on, real, practical designs. The science fiction element was that they shot laser beams.

      If I recall, Han Solo's pistol had a huge rifle scope on it. You think it looks "realistic", but I've read several rants from 'gun nerds' complaining how ridiculous "hollwood" gets things.

    10. Re:Missing an important element! by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      If you consider them series production, then yes, they are dumb. But think an old slightly mad scientist in a golden-framed monocle pieced one for you half a hour ago, it's one of a kind, every piece is essential (or so he says) and most of them need to be exposed to allow free inflow of Iota Energy, proper cooling of the Cerptarition Unit and easy replacement od Hydranium and Frenzium capsules. It's not only the best weapon there is. It's the only weapon you're going to get. And a an army of Guzdargarhanians is already at your gates.

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    11. Re:Missing an important element! by The+Raven · · Score: 1

      I agree. Except for one point... the entire theme of steampunk fantasy embraces the implausible complexity of steam engines, and extrapolates out to implusibility.

      Steam engines were always cantankerous, requiring as much or more maintenance as helicopters do today (and helicopters have a downtime for repairs that about matches their flying time, which is insane). They were high maintenance, and high failure. Fast forward to the first computers... thousands of glass tubes, which had to be replaced endlessly because there was always SOME of them that were dying at any particular moment.

      Steampunk isn't about practicality. It's about imagining a world where the practical never came about... where innovation was occurring so rapidly that we never took the time to make things work WELL, we were too busy implementing new ideas.

      It's not so far fetched... take a look at computers. Innovation is happening so fast that we don't take the time to make it work well... we're just hitting new advances left and right so fast, we never the time to get it RIGHT before we're on to the next idea. These guns are like early 90's computers... so many new ideas, and rough edges all around.

      Raven

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  14. Steampunk Air Rifles by Zobeid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sorry, but I find those toys far less impressive than these: http://www.glbarnes.com/

    These are some of the most steampunk-ish actual working devices I've seen. Some are fancier than others, with the more ornate models looking like they came right out of Myst. They aren't movie or vidgame props, they are some of the most powerful and accurate (and expensive) air rifles in the world -- and all hand-made by Gary Barnes himself. Although not technically (or legally, in the USA) considered to be firearms, these air rifles have been used successfully for hunting deer, wild hogs, and in at least one case a buffalo.

    1. Re:Steampunk Air Rifles by ethicalBob · · Score: 1

      These aren't really steam-punk inspired; but they ARE beautiful works of functional art... thanks for pointing them out!

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    2. Re:Steampunk Air Rifles by Trent+Hawkins · · Score: 0

      That is the lamest site ever. Seriously, find a better site to link to.

  15. Han Solo weapon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Han Solo's weapon is simply an augmented Mauser C96 pistol.

  16. Why is "From" capitalized? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's capitalized in the article too, which made it needlessly hard to parse.

  17. where have all the trekkies gone/long time passing by dpiven · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This article's been out for five hours and NOT ONE /.ER HAS USED THE WORD "PHASER".

    (Well, until now.)

    Are all the trekkies getting hammered and watching Boston Legal these days?

  18. Real "rayguns" by esc67 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here is somebody who builds rayguns out of scrap. Perhaps these are more to your liking. I believe one of them is a functioning pea-shotter!

    http://claytonbailey.com/galleryrayguns.htm

    Makezine published an nice article about these some time ago.

  19. Re:where have all the trekkies gone/long time pass by Schemat1c · · Score: 1

    This article's been out for five hours and NOT ONE /.ER HAS USED THE WORD "PHASER". Probably because the guns from star trek are about the wimpiest looking things in science fiction.
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  20. These are even better "in the flesh"! by AaronLawrence · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These rayguns are fantastic pieces of art, of a kind you rarely see. I saw them at the Weta stand at an expo in Wellington - they were only on display then, not for sale - and they really look like the business as imagined by 1950's science fiction. They seem a little used, covered in mysterious spikes and weird tubes. And it's real glass and metal, as far as I can tell, hand-welded etc. Theres a good sense of humour in the marketing too.

    Pretty amazing to see so many cynics completely miss the point on Slashdot. This is one thing I thought most geeks would be right into. Humorous yet artistic rayguns!

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    1. Re:These are even better "in the flesh"! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I agree.

      I don't know the technique (say lost wax metal casting and some machining or something), but they're essentially pieces of sculpture. When I first saw them, I thought they were probably just acrylic, but the fact that they're made out of metal adds to it even more. One of those pistols weighs in at something like 7-8 LBS! OY!

      Firearms are much like motorcycles and steam engines for those attracted to mechanical based art, and these are very nice pieces. Though I'm more fond of the pistol used in "The Mexican". That's a beautiful piece of work.

    2. Re:These are even better "in the flesh"! by retrogameguy · · Score: 0

      Exactly - these are not for use in "A galaxy far, far away", these are for use during the birth of SF, when Flash Gordon flew a silver space ship along a bouncy wire, with a firework spurting out the back and (real) giant lizards wandered below in the paper mache landscape. Those were the times where you knew the villans because that had beards and the women all needed saving from their skimpy outfits, although we only got to kiss before marriage. Well I like them anyway, and really bad pulp SF.

  21. I am reminded of the Kill-O-Zap guns in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... the Hitchhiker's guid to the galaxy. You know, the ones which have a right end and a wrong end, and random spiky bits sticking out the wrong end.

  22. the metal surface finish? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do they get the metal finish to look aged and rough like that like that?

    http://www.wetanz.com/holics/media/2/20070219-Goli athon%20Detail%2057%20LR.jpg

  23. Careful with that capacitor... by mbessey · · Score: 2, Informative

    "The VDG is safer than a Tesla coil, so for a newbie like me it seems like just the ring thing."

    That's only the case because the VDG creates such a small current. If you start storing it, you're increasing the potential for a lethal shock. A square foot or so of capacitor can easily store enough charge to kill you, depending on the dielectric. At 30 KV or so, the discharges from my homemade HV capacitors sounded like gunshots - I got complaints from the neighbors.

    As for your other idea, I'm not convinced that it'll work the way you think it will. You probably won't be able to move enough charge onto an object to make much of a magnetic field when it moves. The amount of electrons "flowing" in a DC current is very very high. Take a look at the definitions of the Ampere, and the Coulomb to get some idea of the quantities involved.

  24. That's a trade secret... by mbessey · · Score: 1

    That's why they're in the special effects business. Making molded plastic look like 50-year-old weathered metal is what they do. I'm sure a Google search would help you find more info, but the basic gist of it is to combine multiple layers of paint, using techniques like dry-brushing, washing, and splattering.

  25. Re:where have all the trekkies gone/long time pass by tftp · · Score: 1

    And that is because ST was never centered around guns and warfare. ST:TNG especially was as pacifist as it could possibly be, and the weapons were the plot devices of last resort, and even then they were "set on stun" so that nobody's feelings are harmed. Most of the conflicts, or challenges, or battles were won by ingenuity and tactics and science rather than by application of a larger BFG that the opponent had.

  26. Re:where have all the trekkies gone/long time pass by vision864 · · Score: 0

    And THAT is why i miss Deep space nine.
    They did swing quite a few "BFGs" and more or less dropped the whole pacifist theme.

  27. Pay attention to the "universe" by Foerstner · · Score: 1

    What the weapons look like depends largely on what the creative people want to present.

    For example, compare the phasers used in Star Trek V and VI with those used in The Next Generation. Both were produced in the same time period by the same studio using most of the same creative and prop people.

    The V/VI phasers look mostly like handguns (except with the barrel mounted over the hand grip, instead of forward of it.) They're beefy, black, and serious-looking. The director of Star Trek V (William Shatner, actually) wanted to show Starfleet marines checking their weapons, fitting magazines, and generally preparing for serious combat.

    The Next Generation phasers look like a cross between a remote control and a Dustbuster. They're straight, beige, and domesticated. The actors had a terrible time aiming the things on-screen, and the SFX people had to do all sorts of odd-looking corrections to make sure they actually "hit" what they were aiming at. Virtually all the time, whatever aliens the main characters were up against had more serious-looking weapons.

    The reason for the difference was that, in Kirk's universe, Starfleet was a bunch of rough-and-ready cowboys. In Picard's time, it was a much more disciplined peacekeeping-and-exploration organization. The weapons portray the creative philosophy at the time.

    And before you say this is an unrealistic approach to combat, ask one of the early F-4 Phantom II pilot who was sent into combat with missiles but no gun.

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  28. And I'll send you the tools to dismantle it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just don't do it in my backyard - or near anything interesting

  29. Han Solo's pistol by jacoby · · Score: 1

    More directly referencing the Mauser.

  30. About pearl handles by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

    Mother of pearl looks great, so there's always been a "bling" element to its use. However, you should know that mother of pearl as well as ivory, bone, stag horn, and other decorative grip materials for pistols did, indeed, have a functional use back in the day.

    Pre-1900, a number of pistol shooting competitions were a big deal, with near full-page coverage in major newspapers. There was a lot on the line and any small advantage was eagerly desired. Generally, the big matches took place over several days and competitors were prohibited from making sight adjustments during the match. To prevent anyone from making adjustments, the pistols would be impounded at night so they couldn't be touched. At the highest skill levels, competitors discovered that a radical change in humidity could make common wooden pistol grips swell or shrink overnight. When that happened, the recoil characteristics of the pistol changed and point of impact changed. That was a very, very bad thing.

    Mother of pearl didn't absorb atmospheric moisture. It was stable. Today, we tend to use plastic, micarta, or laminated wood (in less critical applications) on target pistols or we shoot indoors so we don't think twice about moisture absorption. And I only know of one informal shooting sport that prohibits adjusting sights during a match, so lots of wood gets used today, too, since we can correct for any problems it causes. Back in the day, though, the stability of grip material translated directly into a stable point of impact. It could be the difference between winning and losing. Mother of pearl is functional.

  31. Welcome to Last Year by Ashe+Tyrael · · Score: 1

    As nice and groovy as these guns are, they've been nosed around for about a year now.

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  32. Re:A Star Wars and firearms geek speaks out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do a search for the Buck Rogers Disintegrator Pistol (featured on the first Foo Fighters album cover) and check the silhouette. That gun was designed after the silhouette of a Mauser C96 pistol (a weapon contemporary with the original series). Han Solo's blaster has basically turned the Mauser into a Star Wars version of that classic Ray gun ( and StarWars references those old Sci-Fi serials on every level as George Lucas always acknowledged). In terms of a chicken and egg situation though, of course the Mauser came first but I don't think thats the point of the quote.