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10 Anti-Phishing Firefox Extensions

An anonymous reader writes "A list of 10 anti-phishing Firefox extensions was published at Security-Hacks: 'For most Internet users, defending against phishing attacks is a top priority. One popular way to combat phishing attacks is to maintain a list of known phishing sites and to check web sites against the list.'"

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  1. if only by wizardforce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For most Internet users, defending against phishing attacks is a top priority.

    unfortunately it isnt, a lot of people ignore security measures designed to protect them from phishing. case in point, banks that used images/etc to show the authenticity of the website their customers use was largely ignored, few noticed it and similar studies show few have such security as one of their concerns. these extensions might have done good if people listened to them but the real fix for phishing is to educate people on ways to avoid going to the sites in the first place. typing in addresses instead of following links, paying attention to what comes after the tld and disabling javascript for starters.
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    1. Re:if only by syzler · · Score: 1

      case in point, banks that used images/etc to show the authenticity of the website their customers use was largely ignored

      I never have understood how showing me a picture is supposed to prove a web site's authenticity. This seems highly susceptible to man-in-the-middle attacks since the attacker can use the information from you to retrieve the images from the bank's site to display to you.

      Showing an image seems to give a false sense of security to the end user. Would it not be better to teach people to take SSL certs seriously and to verify the cert matches the site the user thinks they should be accessing?

    2. Re:if only by wizardforce · · Score: 1

      Showing an image seems to give a false sense of security to the end user. Would it not be better to teach people to take SSL certs seriously and to verify the cert matches the site the user thinks they should be accessing?

      and that is why they also tested people's observational skills- researchers observed people's interaction on a set up computer that would direct people to a site that had some significant difference compared to the real site and few refused to continue doing business as usual... the biggest problem with the whole thing is that no matter how good the verification/anti phishing efforts get they need to take the user into account- not everyone pays attention to what the click or where they surf/do their banking. until people are educated in basic security practices these plugins, certification and verification might as well not exist.
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    3. Re:if only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      case in point, banks that used images/etc to show the authenticity of the website their customers use was largely ignored

      If customers ignore security then the only way is to force it down their throats... Case in point: most europeans banks provide you with a physical device generating cryptographically secure token. Want to log in? You MUST enter the number generated by the device. Want to make a huge transfer? You MUST enter the amount and the account you plan to transfer to on the device and then you MUST enter the security token back on the bank's website.

      It's "good game fishing attacks" and "good game MITM attacks". There's simply not much an attacker can do against this.

      Force security down the troath of the user. There ain't no alternative. And, well, when all the major consumer banks are doing this the customer simply has no choice but to accept it.

    4. Re:if only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's true. It reminds me of something that happened last year at camp. I was sharing a cabin with these cool older girls. well they all had like huge b00bs, and last year i was practically flat! so i would stuff my bra everyday..and it worked fine. then one day we were playing truth or dare and they dared me and these wo other girls to run around our cabin once in just our bras. so we made it all the way around, but once we got to the front of the cabin i slipped on the wet grass and toiletpaper fell from my bra and went everwhere!!! =0 i got teased soooo much=(

    5. Re:if only by profplump · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is highly susceptible to a MiM attack. However, in order to pull off a MiM attack you'd have to at least start the login process for lots of different people from the same system, which aids in detection. It doesn't do anything to help the first few users, but it can help the bank shut down the attacker directly.

      Second, it completely stops passive attack like are common with eBay pishing sites -- you can't just simulate the login page, say "Bad Password" and the redirect to the real page, you have to customize the attack page for each target. Assuming they pay attention at least.

      I don't see how SSL certificates solve this either, because I can get a certificate for www.yourbank.com.pishing.ru that your browser will tell you is perfectly valid. Having you bank sing your client certificate so you can both validate without releaving private information would work, but most people wouldn't know how to install let alone generate a client certificate, banks wouldn't know how to distribute them properly, and even if you solved those problems you'd only be able to log in from systems where your private key was installed.

      A list of one-time passwords supplied to each user on a wallet card would provide a good deal more security without any additional technology, keyfobs, or even much user training -- the server shows a word from column A, you enter the corresponding word from column B. Combined with a policy that allows only one active session per account by killing old sessions when a new one authenticates you would A) completely prevent a replay attacks B) deter a phisher from logging in as you and forcing you to burn a second OTP, because your new session would blow away their old session. They'd literally have to be sitting there waiting (or have scripted) all of the post-login actions and execute them before you were able to log in again and blow away their session.

    6. Re:if only by Keichann · · Score: 1

      I recently used a similar system with a bank account in Germany and it worked great. They use a plain username/password combination to login, but you have a sheet of one-use only transaction numbers.

      If you want to make a payment/transfer online, you enter one number from the sheet, make a note that you've used it already, and then *boom* you can't use that number again.

    7. Re:if only by ect5150 · · Score: 1

      paying attention to what comes after the tld and disabling javascript for starters. While this is certainly true, for the individuals who think the internet is the 'little blue e' on their desktop, they have no idea what you are talking about. I've asked individuals to alter a URL by hand and they just give me blank stares (we are talking about more than 5 people at a time). The level of education you are referring to is in my opinion far more substantial than most realize.
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  2. And the top #1... by funkdancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is my bloody brain and eye superfilter combo. With these, I don't need any stinking slow-me-down-even-further plugins.

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    1. Re:And the top #1... by Ash+Vince · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Here Here.

      I have never seen a phising attempt that was convincing enough that I would actually think it was a website done by a bank. I have seen some that were close, but they always fell down visually somewhere. I also have never given my bank my email address so I would be very surprised if they sent me an email.

      On another point I used to ring up my friends and put on a silly voice and see if the could figure out is was me. On one occasion my mates girlfriend answered the phone so I pretended to be from mastercard. To my suprise not only did she not realise who it was, I also managed to get her credit card number out of her. I owned up and told her who I was before she finished giving me the number but it made me realise how many people fall for this far too easily.

      Phising is nothing new, its just that now its easier to trawl looking for daft people in a more automated fashion.

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    2. Re:And the top #1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here Here.

      Where?

    3. Re:And the top #1... by notnAP · · Score: 1
      Oh, I've seen a few that were plenty close, but I still also agree 100%. After all the GP mentioned the eye and brain filter. On quite a few occasions, I've checked out some phish sites, via cleaned html requests, just to check them out. In one case, I reported the offender to the local authorities and his boss because he was idiotic enough to be hosting it here in the states, on his work computer, at a university. And he was a professor. (Sure, it may have been a pwned box, but just the same...

      Yeah, I'm trusting that I'm not subject to a MITM attack, but short of said phishers hacking DNS or routing upstream from me, that's unlikely. And even then, I'd suspect said unsavory character would be smart enough to also MITM my phish filter's requests as well, no?

    4. Re:And the top #1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here Here.

      I'm non-native english speaker... Isn't it supposed to be "Hear Hear"!?

      I had an american who kept saying "I hear you" to mean "I understand what you're saying". He was from NJ. Don't know if my random offtopic babbling makes any sense :)

    5. Re:And the top #1... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      You obviously don't know much about this technique....tell me which bank you use, I will copy their webpage EXACTLY and have a layer sitting there keylogging your browser either MS or FF. Then in the background it will login as it it was the original page. You will get your info back as per the real page cuz it will be the real page underneath... As for your www.bankname.com, a quick find & replace in your host file, or ns cahce poisoning of your router/modem(new ones only depending on the company used)...will allow me to make sure you never see the name resolved otherwise. ChiChing!

    6. Re:And the top #1... by Ash+Vince · · Score: 1

      I bank with HSBC. I also only visit my bank website from (Gentoo) Linux using firefox via the bookmark I set sometime ago.

      To get at my hosts file you need me to run your dodgy code as root. Since I am a fairly paranoid individual this is unlikely to happen. I have not used a web browser from the root account ever. The only thing I use my root account for is mounting disk images from the command line and using portage.

      My router does not cache DNS requests as far as I am aware.

      This discounts both of your atacks I believe. I would love to hear some holes in this approach as I am genuinely curious and will institute a better security policy to prevent you from doing these in future.

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    7. Re:And the top #1... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      You obviously don't know much about this technique....tell me which bank you use, I will copy their webpage EXACTLY and have a layer sitting there keylogging your browser either MS or FF.

      Then in the background it will login as it it was the original page.

      You will get your info back as per the real page cuz it will be the real page underneath...

      As for your www.bankname.com, a quick find & replace in your host file, or ns cahce poisoning of your router/modem(new ones only depending on the company used)...will allow me to make sure you never see the name resolved otherwise.

    8. Re:And the top #1... by Ash+Vince · · Score: 1

      Thanks for posting the same message but with nicer formatting but I was able to read it the first time.

      I did post a reply detailing my bank and some of the other details you asked for along with my reasoning as to why your attack will not work.

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=236921&cid=193 50757

      Please take the time to read it and let me know what you think.

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    9. Re:And the top #1... by funkdancer · · Score: 1

      I never click a link in an email to do something that relates to logins. I don't care how authentic something looks, if _one_ link exists, I usually hit "report phishing attempt" in gmail (to assist other users) after spending the tiniest amount of time to classify it as a scam. The only thing I'd ever respond to is one that says "please locate us via your bookmarks" .... in which case I'll punch in the URL from memory and see what they want.

      As for DNS, I thought the topic was the typical phishing website as per spam emails sent out, and not being subject of a direct attack that is set up to compromise my computer's DNS files or worse. And for people having such skills I'd think there be better ways (targets) to utilise them.

      My router doesn't cache DNS requests and you'd have to get to the box I'm using after slipping through both the router firewall and the software firewall - am I using my Linux box? The XP Box? The XP laptop? - to have any luck. Unless of course you managed to infest my highly reputable ISP, in which case I probably would have to accept defeat.

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    10. Re:And the top #1... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      I have heard of compromised firefox and IE browsers that capture keys and websites.....
      if you have auto updates enabled on firefox, and upload from an unknown source an update for an addin you have, this point becomes mute regarless of router or not caching dns, I just was explaining more then one point of entry possible, not all.

  3. Clicking by biocute · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How much phishing can be prevented if people stop clicking on hyperlinks, and use copy-and-paste instead?

    1. Re:Clicking by Perseid · · Score: 1

      Nah. Most phishing attempts would show up in the status bar if you're looking for it. I think most people who would fall for simple phishing schemes wouldn't know the difference between dumbass.com and dumb.az.

    2. Re:Clicking by zygwin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can actually drag the link to the address bar in Firefox.It's a real time saver.

    3. Re:Clicking by Anomolous+Cowturd · · Score: 1

      ... or a blank spot on the tab panel for a new tab, or a tab itself to open in that tab... handy... but I like the feature of Galeon that lets you paste a link into the window with the middle button, can't figure out how to make firefox do this.

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    4. Re:Clicking by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

      re: your sig. software patents delendae sunt. thanks.

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    5. Re:Clicking by suv4x4 · · Score: 1

      How much phishing can be prevented if people stop clicking on hyperlinks, and use copy-and-paste instead?

      Approximately 3.10832701%. If people cared to see what they copy, they'd also care to look at the address bar of what they clicked. But they don't.

      Another question, since this seems to be the trend: How much phishing can be prevented if we forbid both links and copy/paste, and remove any ability to type a string and get a site. Instead the bank will give their clients little floppies with hardcoded shortcuts they need to use, which contains cryptographically encoded the location of the site.

      Man, I gotta be a friggin' genius or somthn!

  4. priorities by datapharmer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "For most Internet users, defending against phishing attacks is a top priority."

    No, I disagree, I don't think it is a top priority for most users. Try pr0n.

    Seriously though, it should be on the list... but let's be realistic.

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  5. Firefox 2 by SteveAyre · · Score: 3, Informative

    Or just upgrade to Firefox 2, which has the feature built in.

    1. Re:Firefox 2 by dteichman2 · · Score: 1

      Just for continuity, so does Firefox 3.

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    2. Re:Firefox 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are going to switch browsers, why not download Opera instead (at 8.6 megs).

      You won't need to spend hours configuring the 20 plugins you need to get it up and running! You won't be crashing every so often a bad plugin acts up! You won't be waiting in horror for 5 minutes in the morning waiting for Firefox to swap out just because you forgot close your Google Mail page last night and now Firefox takes up gigs of swap!

      I am not trolling, I honestly want to know why people keep using Firefox when there is Opera that is better at every single thing that Firefox does, and some more?

      Out of the box, you get better load times (instant, while Firefox can take 10-15 seconds, or minutes if it decides to download the daily update). Better privacy reset controls. Better mouse gestures. Better tab control. Better download control. Better zoom control. Absolute and separate control over each individual html/stylesheet option: don't like the page margins? reset them! don't like bold, disable in with a click. don't like the page colors, chose your own!

      The feeds, the voice browsing, the mail, news, and chat. Built-in skins, widgets, security/SSL controls, etc. etc. etc.

      Why do these "geeks" keep using Firefox?

    3. Re:Firefox 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Because:
      1. it's Free software.
      2. it's extensible.
      3. it's fully Google compatible.
      4. It's widely available/supported.
      5. it looks nice.

      I don't need or want voice control, widgets, or built-in mail/irc clients. Plus, I find Opera's interface a little annoying.
    4. Re:Firefox 2 by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      Yes, and it protects you from spyware which would send all the URLs you visit to a "don't do no evil" company, too, right?

      I know this can be disabled, but how many people even know how to change the defaults?

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    5. Re:Firefox 2 by eln · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm going to be brutally honest here, and I may get nailed for it, but here it goes:

      The primary reason I don't use Opera is because you goddamn zealots turn me off of it.

      Seriously people, every single story we see about any sort of anything that even vaguely relates to web browsers, you can bank on several comments that basically just say "Use Opera!"

      It used to be the same with Linux stories and Gentoo. These days, it's rapidly becoming Linux stories and Ubuntu. Opera zealotry, however, has shown remarkable staying power.

      I do not like seeing the same parroted shit about how your browser is so superior to every other browser. Yes, Opera has nice features, and yes Opera was the first to offer tabbed browsing. I get it, really I do. However, this endless stream of posts parroting the same crap about Opera in EVERY SINGLE STORY even tangentially related to web browsers is a huge turn off. Okay, so Opera has awesome mouse gesture support. Guess what? I don't give a tin shit about mouse gestures. Load times? Firefox takes an average of about 2 seconds on a non-loaded machines to start up, I don't care if your load times are any faster. Better granular control over every aspect of stylesheets? I don't care! I want to browse the web, not customize every webpage I see.

      I get that your browser is nice. I don't need to hear about it every time any other browser is mentioned. Give it a fucking rest already.

    6. Re:Firefox 2 by dteichman2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, FF3 uses less RAM than my FF2 install. So shove it.

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    7. Re:Firefox 2 by jombeewoof · · Score: 1

      Use GNU/Debian... It rocks

      ----ducks**

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    8. Re:Firefox 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. That's not enabled by default. If you really want to send every URL to Google, you actually have find the preference and change it. How many people do you think will do that by accident?

    9. Re:Firefox 2 by maxume · · Score: 1

      At the moment, there is no need to change the default, the feature checks sites against a downloaded list, rather than sending them anywhere:

      http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/phishing-prot ection/

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    10. Re:Firefox 2 by suv4x4 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Actually, FF3 uses less RAM than my FF2 install. So shove it.

      Because it's prerelease, but they ensured everyone that by release time we'll have the same experience as with FF2.

    11. Re:Firefox 2 by RulerOf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The same zealotry actually keeps me off of Firefox.

      I used to use Opera, way back in the day, and one of my favorite features was the mouse gesture support... of course, that was before 5 button mice became popular. I stopped using it because it didn't render several web sites properly. (Although after later learning of CSS "hacks" that are required for proper IE6 rendering, it's ironic to realize that Opera likely did render those pages correctly.)

      Firefox had tabs. That made it nicer than IE6. Firefox has an initial load time significantly higher than IE6. That made it worse than IE6.

      IE7 came out, and in my eyes, Firefox lost its edge. IE now has my beloved tabs. IE7 also uses ClearType, which I think most websites look better with.

      When it comes down to it, you should use the web browser that you prefer, and it's not my job to give a damn which one you use. I use IE7. It loads faster and looks cleaner and better than any other browser available for Windows. But try arguing that stance with another computer geek... You'll probably get moans about security woes. Geeks are the ones smart enough not to browse as an admin and also not to install every ActiveX control and "Magical Desktop Enhancer with 50 IE Toolbars" app that they run across on a daily basis. If that's the case, why the hell start the argument in the first place?

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    12. Re:Firefox 2 by SethraLavode · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Opera zealots are as vocal as they are because they equally (if not more) sick of the attitude of the Firefox ideologues.

      They're tired of hearing people proclaim how Firefox is the greatest thing EVAR, when most of the highly-touted "new" features were part of Opera's default install for ages. They're sick of hearing people complain about how Opera used to cost money or used to have advertising and that asking for money to support a company is a bad thing, when the desktop version is free. They get annoyed at how FF users proclaim that Firefox is "truly" free, when that freedom actually only really matters to maybe 5% of the userbase. Most of all, though, Opera users get annoyed because any minor revision to Firefox or random extensions makes the main page at Slashdot by default, while equally (if not more) capable browsers get major news overlooked.

      Firefox zealotry is the norm here. Supporters of other browsers have to be vocal, or else they would get little to no exposure.

    13. Re:Firefox 2 by Sigma+7 · · Score: 1

      Or just upgrade to Firefox 2, which has the feature built in. What's the threshold? I've submitted reports of phishing sites, but haven't really seen any changes in reaction within Firefox.

      In particular, I've been looking at "online pharmacy" sites that are obviously fake (e.g. have you submit credit card information over http rather than https) - which is a common trend for 99% of these fake pharmacy sites that I've been to.

    14. Re:Firefox 2 by bunratty · · Score: 1

      You've done a nice job of trying to rationalize fanboyism. The truth is, fanboyism of any product, whether it be Opera or Firefox, is harmful to the product. Firefox, being the second most used browser with usage rising all the time, doesn't seem to be hurt by the fanboyism. Opera, being the fifth most used browser and usage below 1% according to NetApplications, can't afford to be hurt by fanboyism.

      Your point about Firefox being covered on Slashdot more than other browsers is misguided. Firefox is covered more often because it's used so much more than other browsers, with the sole exception of Internet Explorer. It seems like your main annoyance with Firefox is just that it's more popular. There's really no reason to be envious of the success of others.

      Lastly, just because Firefox has fanboys doesn't mean Opera has the right to have fanboys. You admit yourself that it's annoying. Why annoy others with fanboyism when you admit yourself that your sick of fanboyism?

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  6. Re:FF antiphishing howto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now here's an interesting thought. How to prevent yourself from being a victim of phishing phraud (sic):

    Step 1: Do all banking off-line
    Step 2: Don't use your credit / debit card over the Internet
    Step 3: Don't use Internet Step 4: ???
    Step 5: Profit!

    It's like abstinence but you can almost bear it.

  7. Just a summary... by dclozier · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was hoping for a review of the extensions but only found a summary of what was available. More of the same information can be found by searching for 'phishing' extensions.

  8. Eh? by Mystery00 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "For most Internet users, defending against phishing attacks is a top priority."

    I think 'most' users would say "what the hell is phishing?" Only way to prevent phishing is to bring up a "Welcome to the internet, here are a few things you should know about before you go on: ... " splash screen when they open up their browser for the very first time.

    ...

    Followed by another splash screen that says "If you ignored the previous information, you are now entering with the risk of doing something extremely stupid, would you like to bring up the Welcome screen again? [Yes] [Yes]"

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    1. Re:Eh? by Hucko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think 'most' users would say "what the hell is phishing?" Only way to prevent phishing is to bring up a "Welcome to the internet, here are a few things you should know about before you go on: ... " splash screen when they open up their browser every time.
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  9. Or you can just use OpenDNS by unassimilatible · · Score: 2, Informative

    Easy way to defeat the phishers, OpenDNS. Or you could actually look at the status bar to see what site you are clicking on...

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    1. Re:Or you can just use OpenDNS by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

      Why is OpenDNS smarter?

      We fix typos in the URLs you enter whenever we can. For example, if you're using OpenDNS craigslist.og will lead directly to craigslist.org.

      When you try to go to a website that won't load, instead of a browser error we show you OpenDNS Guide and help you get to where you want to go.


      How about not breaking shit and returning a notfound?

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    2. Re:Or you can just use OpenDNS by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      I use Opendns and I help Phishtank but OpenDNS itself is only a DNS service which only interests in hostname part, not the page. Using OpenDNS may help against complete evil hosts who serves nothing but phishing but you still need phishtank extension/support for page / url based phishes.

      I think that is main reason why phishtank was started by openDNS.

      As phishtank verifier I think the good old days of checking status bar, viewing browser address bar are soon over if not already. I have even seen couple of cracked SSL hosts while verifying.

    3. Re:Or you can just use OpenDNS by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      Why is OpenDNS smarter?

      We fix typos in the URLs you enter whenever we can. For example, if you're using OpenDNS craigslist.og will lead directly to craigslist.org.

      When you try to go to a website that won't load, instead of a browser error we show you OpenDNS Guide and help you get to where you want to go.


      How about not breaking shit and returning a notfound? The semi spyware/pyramid scheme/web 2.0 abuser/search engine abuser toolbar you advertise via referral on your signature could be a good starting point not to "break the shit".

  10. who is this for ? by thebear05 · · Score: 1

    having read the article it seems that the problem is more about people believing bs emails etc. and about keeping a list of anti phishing sites to stop it. seems like an issue for setting up friends/family machines who are not tech savvy than an issue for most /. readers who i assume are the few who actually lookout for this kind of thing

  11. Re:FF antiphishing howto by Perseid · · Score: 2, Funny

    I dunno. I think the feds can get to your computer even if it's offline. Better get out the jackhammer. Oh, um, hold on a sec. Some of my tinfoil is coming off.

  12. Blacklists don't work any more. by Animats · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Blacklists aren't really working any more. As with spam, where each spam message is now different, and as with viruses, where the smarter ones are different for each copy, the more advanced phishing sites now generate multiple sites, not just one site.

    PhishTank is fooled by this. It assumes that a "phish site" is a unique URL. The phishing sites are now wise to that trick; many sites generate a new URL for each user, and some even generate a new domain. Current domains in PhishTank include "session-97701.nationalcity.com.userpro.io", "session-300962.nationalcity.com.userpro.io", "session-5489554.nationalcity.com.userpro.tw", "session-2721837.nationalcity.com.directories.io", etc. There are presumably many, many more that no user has reported yet. So the blacklist defense is failing.

    It's thus too late for approaches based on manual detection. In the early days of spam, we all reported spam sites to SpamCop, which then blocked them. That stopped working years ago. The same has now happened for phishing sites.

    The hard line approach is to implement something that prevents putting in credit card or bank information into forms unless the target page has a solid SSL certificate. (And not one those "Instant SSL - Domain Control Only Validated" cheapo certs that mean nothing, either.) It's getting harder to make even that work, with more and more Javascript processing going on in the browser. The browser may not be able to detect that the user is filling in a form.

    We (SiteTruth), of course, are trying to promote the idea that you don't want to deal with a website unless the business behind the website can be clearly identified, so we do have a bias here. Nor do we have all the answers. But from the amount of activity in this area of security in the last month, it's becoming clear that some major tightening-up on business legitimacy on the web is needed.

    "On the Internet, no one knows if you're a dog" just isn't good enough any more.

    1. Re:Blacklists don't work any more. by diqmay · · Score: 1

      pssssst!

      you're using Yahoo as a host but they aren't a verifiable website? Methinks you shouldn't be doing business with them.

    2. Re:Blacklists don't work any more. by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      It seems the blacklist would work perfectly if nationalcity.com.userpro.io, or just userpro.io was blocked. The startling thing about those numbers is the huge gaps, though I doubt they are sequential, it seems the reports are few and far between. The best reason to avoid blacklists is the fact they are always behind the times, no matter how often you update them. Your hardline approach seems valid, if there was a 'secure transaction' setting client side that disabled scripting then validated certificates and analyzed form fields, phishing would need some sort of infection to compromise someones system, shifting the problem back to the antivirus domain. It isn't in any way a perfect solution, but could resolve quite a lot of issues.

    3. Re:Blacklists don't work any more. by Animats · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It seems the blacklist would work perfectly if nationalcity.com.userpro.io, or just userpro.io was blocked.

      Notice that they're using "userpro.tw" and "directories.io" as well. And "prouserbase.tw", "udll.tw", "usersetup.io", "kloot.hk", and more. That phish operation has a domain farm with hundreds of domains known, and probably many more that haven't been reported yet.

      CastleCops identifies this as a botnet. One that buys domains with stolen credit card numbers.

    4. Re:Blacklists don't work any more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A simple regex would take care of that. Surprisingly enough, programmers in the Windows world often don't know anything about the concept of regexes and always program for literal matches or very crude matching operators like ? and *.

    5. Re:Blacklists don't work any more. by radtea · · Score: 1

      We (SiteTruth), of course, are trying to promote the idea that you don't want to deal with a website unless the business behind the website can be clearly identified, so we do have a bias here. Nor do we have all the answers.

      Sitetruth's rating of Sitetruth says: "Site ownership not clearly verified, or some issues exist with the business."

      You claim to be applying California law, which says that a business must clearly identify itself and give its address to customers. Yet your silly little rating tool gives a site a negative rating if it does not contain the company address on the website. This is extremely odd, as only a blithering idiot would suggest that everyone who visits a company's website is a customer.

      Many, many companies, my own included, do not sell things or take money over the web, and we always identify ourselves clearly to customers, in accordance with commercial law in many jurisdictions.

      So your rating system, even if it could somehow manage to rate your own site properly, has absolutely nothing to do with the law it purports to apply.

      Now that's a system I'm sure everyone on /. is willing to trust implicitly.

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    6. Re:Blacklists don't work any more. by Animats · · Score: 1

      SiteTruth rates SiteTruth itself as "Site ownership identified but not verified." (a yellow question mark), which is correct - there's a valid name and address on the web site, but no third party verification of business identity. That's a neutral rating by our standards. The red circle with a bar through it is a bad rating. To get a good rating, a green checkmark, some third party has to verify business identity. A valid BBBonline seal (and yes, we check) or an SSL cert with a name and address will do it. We're working on verification via credit card processors for sites using off-site payment systems. Click on any rating icon for the full explanation of a rating.

      The standard we're enforcing is rather low. Insisting that a business have a valid, published, name and address isn't an obstacle to any legitimate business. Yes, the standards we're enforcing are slightly higher than those of California law. They're consistent with the Consumer's Union WebWatch guidelines ("Web sites should clearly disclose the physical location where they are produced, including an address, a telephone number or e-mail address") and the European Electronic Commerce Directive (Member States shall ensure that the service provider (defined as "any natural or legal person providing an information society service") shall render easily, directly and permanently accessible to the recipients of the service and competent authorities, at least the following information: (a) the name of the service provider; (b) the geographic address at which the service provider is established.) There's little support in law for anonymous businesses. If you're running a business without a published, valid name and address, there's something wrong.

      All we ask for is a "Contact" or "About" page with a name and address in a format that would work on a mailed envelope. We can find that in HTML text; you don't have to do anything special for SiteTruth.

      Name and address is just the first stage. Once we have a solid name and address, we can match it against business databases - state incorporation records, D/B/A names, criminal records, and credit ratings. We're doing some of that now, and will be doing more.

  13. Coming soon: metalists! by aerthling · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't wait for the top 10 'Top 10 Firefox Extension' list.

  14. Known sites? by flyingfsck · · Score: 0

    If you know which sites are 'bad', simply add them to the hosts file and loop them to the home address. No need for a plugin.

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    1. Re:Known sites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why edit the hosts file when you simply hard code them into the network driver?

    2. Re:Known sites? by someone1234 · · Score: 1

      Yep, works greatly against IP numbers: http://123.45.67.89/ Where your.bank.com is your homebank, 123.45.67.89 is the phishing site.

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    3. Re:Known sites? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      Better still, bearing in mind that the best defence is a good offence, you should submit your details to the site (or *some* plausible details). With a script. Hundreds and hundreds of times, different every time.

      You can generate valid-but-fake credit card numbers using the checksum algorithm used to verify the numbers. Names and addresses can be generated from a randomish list, just like the names spammers use. Use their own tools to attack them.

  15. Helpful article or payola scam? by macraig · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Did anyone else notice that all of the promoted extensions but the last one seem to be the work of commercial enterprises, and apparently tied in some way to their for-profit motives? Is it possible that the author or security-hacks.com got some perks or quid pro quo for the journalistic promotion of these extensions and the commercial entities behind them?

    I'm often too skeptical for my own britches, but that also why I do in fact pay attention to my bank's "sitekey" and why I don't these products to avoid phishing attacks. All but the last one just seem to be trading one form of ignorance - of phishing - for another - of capitalism.

  16. The problem is the authentication mechanism! by SplatMan_DK · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most modern phising is done very professionally, and the pages totally mimic the real thing. I recently received a phising e-mail regarding PayPal accounts and out of curiosity I took a look at it. The result was shocking. The page I was directed to was an exact duplicate of the real PayPal system. The link I followed did not use scripting. It did belong to the wrong domain, but most normal users would not have noticed it. Copy-pasting the link would not have made any difference.

    The "fix" against phising is a better authentication method.

    For some reason, many banks and payment providers in the US only use username/password (one-factor) authentication. In Europe most banks use at least a 2-factor security system, where the logon information is combined with either a physical security token (RSA or similar), an encryption key file, a supplemental 6 digit PIN sent by SMS to the user, etc.

    The whole approach attempting to eliminate phising by filtering webpages, making fancy browser plugings or stuff a lot of security-bloatware on the computers is essentially wrong. The only reason simple phising attacks work is because the authentication mechanism is way too simple.

    Adding another factor of security to the systems is a trivial task in terms of programming and implementation. And it works - the European home banking systems are the proof of that.

    Phising gets a lot more difficult when SMS messages, encryption keys or physical tokens are involved in the logon procedure. Since all these methods have been well explained and documented in books ranging back to the early 80's, I really don't understand why these simple methods are so largely ignored...

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    1. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by wizardforce · · Score: 1

      The "fix" against phising is a better authentication method.

      no! the best authentication method in the world can not protect against this: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/15/221 6235
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    2. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by jombeewoof · · Score: 1

      People who click on links like that should have their computers immediately taken away from them. If you drive irresponsibly then they take your license. If you're stupid enough to click on links like that then it should be the same punishment. Take the internet away from these people.

      We lock up people who pose a danger to themselves and others, this should be no different. Might want to cut them off from the breeding pool while we're at it too.

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    3. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by moranar · · Score: 1
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    4. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by J0nne · · Score: 1

      No, the 'fix' has been available in browsers since 1993, and it's called 'bookmarks'. Don't be so stupid to follow links to your bank/paypal/ebay from some random e-mail/website, just use the bookmark in your browser to go to the website instead.

      As long as the phishers haven't hijacked your dns settings, this method is safe. And if someone managed to either compromise your hosts file/dns servers, you have other things to worry about...

    5. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by SplatMan_DK · · Score: 1

      Are you seriously suggesting we totally abandon the use of anchor-tags in HTML mails?

      I would't call that a "fix". I would call it a "work-around" with a heavy negative inpact on usability.

      Our company and our customers send tons of HTML formatted mails with anchor-tags. Allmost all of them are individual links to specialized content targeted each reciever. It would be devestating for the end-users if we were to abandon these specialized anchor-tags.

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    6. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by SplatMan_DK · · Score: 1

      I am pretty sure that neither my mom, aunt, or even my boss would ever install a plugin where the terms "HTTP", "AJAX", or other techno-babble words were involved.

      Besides - why sign *all* the traffic when all that is really needed is to digitally sign (and encrypt) the two parties involved in the transaction?

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    7. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      For some reason, many banks and payment providers in the US only use username/password (one-factor) authentication. In Europe most banks use at least a 2-factor security system, where the logon information is combined with either a physical security token (RSA or similar), an encryption key file, a supplemental 6 digit PIN sent by SMS to the user, etc

      SEB, my Swedish bank, sent me a hardtoken - a little calculator like gizmo. The bank sends you two 4 digit numbers, then you enter your 4 digit pin to log into the device and the numbers and it generates a 6 digit hash which you enter into the password box. Each time you need to do a transaction you need to go through the process again. All of which is pretty good, certainly better than one factor security, or one factor plus a code from hardtoken which doesn't need user input since that could be stolen.

      Unlike a one factor authentication, you can't steal someone's ID since the hardtoken is part of that.

      It still doesn't protect completely against MIM attacks though, since the MIM could enter whatever data he wanted into the website and pass you an emulation of it which looks ok. So if you made a payment for 100SEK to Telia, he could hijack it into a payment of your bank balance to himself. You'd need to make a payment for him to steal money though. But you don't know if the numbers the bank send are a hash of your transaction or a hash of his.

      But I think it could. If you could make the numbers depend on the state of the transaction - e.g. the webserver could make you agree to each page transtition, or each keypress. Rather than having the user sign manually when he needs to transfer money, software and a hardtoken would get hardware to sign for any UI event in the window. The idea is that the MIM can't do this, since he has no hardtoken. But he meeds to be able to click the mouse and use the keyboard to get the details of his fraudulent transaction into the bank.

      It's pretty much Windows only though - the idea is something like custom software and and a USB hardtoken. The user would need to enter a password into the hardtoken to start the whole process off, after that the server would send a stream of random numbers and the client would hash these with each keystroke, sign the result and send it back. So if I want to send $100 to telia and the MIM wants to send $100 to himself, the bank would know that I was agreeing to a different transaction. A signed ActiveX control talking to a USB device would be ideal - it could listen for the stream of random numbers and queue them an pick numbers out of the queue whenever a key is pressed, do the math and send the stream of results back.

      Maybe keystrokes are too fine grain since you don't want the bank server to have to keep track of them - you could do it at the HTTP form granularity. So the bank would send the random numbers in hidden form fields, and the control could sign them and the form data with hardware and put the result in another hidden field. Then the bank knows you've agreed to each form submission. But you need signed, trusted code and hardware to make this sort of think work I think.

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    8. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by moranar · · Score: 1

      Hey, you were the one to say "The "fix" against phising is a better authentication method." I didn't say it'd be ipso facto apt for mom and pop.

      Besides, the explanation to developers on mozdev isn't necessarily the one I'd give to grandma, but I hoped it wouldn't be necessary to say this.

      For any technical comments about enigform, you are more than welcome to address the comments on the site, not to a random slashdotter.

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    9. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by J0nne · · Score: 1

      No, I'm suggesting that people use bookmarks to go to their bank's website instead of following links in e-mails, not to get rid of anchors altogether. Or do you send e-mails with links to banks to other people at work?

    10. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      The device I use in Istanbul is calculator like independent/dedicated device which they also offer a J2ME phone software lately.
      http://www.vasco.com/

      It seems your bank was seriously tricked by some MS puppet company.

    11. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by SplatMan_DK · · Score: 1

      Why would it not protect against a MIM attack?

      The whole point of the multi-factor authentication is to establish a secure identification of two parties and encrypt the communication between them.

      I am pretty sure the communication between you and your bank is encrypted when you have established a connection using your token.

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    12. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by SplatMan_DK · · Score: 1

      We do not link to peoples banks :-)

      But we do link to pages connected to peoples userprofiles, and which require a valid logon. Like Slashdot we offer the option to use a "never ending logon" without expiration (using a cookie).

      There are many benefits in such personalized links, and the banks could use them without danger if only the authentication method was secure.

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    13. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by SplatMan_DK · · Score: 1

      Calm down. Take another cup of coffee. I ment no disrespect. I simply observed that the proposed solution was of a rather technical nature... and that "common people" would not be able to use it by themselves. :-)

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    14. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by moranar · · Score: 1

      Since it's still at a very early phase of development, I'd say that there's plenty of time (or none at all, if we think of the original problem) to make it work, and then make it friendly. Though it's possible that, without being somewhat friendly, it will not work -as in be useful and used- at all.

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    15. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      The SEB system can't protect against an MIM attack.

      Consider. I go to the website to pay a bill. Someone sits between me and the bank - they could install some malware that sets them up as a proxy. I enter 100SEK and the phone company's bank account in the the MIM site. The MIM site intercepts this and puts 1000SEK and their account into the bank site. The bank then sends them the two numbers which are either random or linked to the fraudulent transaction. They send them to me. I sign them and enter them into the MIM site. They send them on to the bank.

      Bingo, I've just agreed to transfer money to their account. If the MIM site can act as a proxy, they can just wait for me to make a transaction and grab the cash.

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    16. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Actually I found that someone has actually done a Windows only trusted client for banking

      http://digg.com/linux_unix/SEED_How_South_Korea_s_ Encryption_Standard_is_Holding_the_Nation_Back
      In Korea, you have certificate issued by your bank. When you shop online, instead of typing in your credit card number and billing address/CCV as you do in the US, you give you credit card number, certificate (protected by passphrase) and usually some kind of challence/response system like a printed security card with numbers on it.. When you pay your taxes or go online to get a government form, you use the same certificate to verify your identity. The US government have no way to verify your identity to provide government services such as to check your property taxes or social security, get the USPS to setup mail forwarding etc.

      So they're using an ActiveX control to verify the identity of the client.

      It occured to me that if you could get the clients to sign all HTTP requests with a hardware dongle, you'd have solved the problem, since the MIM attacker can't do this. For the attack to work, he needs to modify your requests before he passes them on to the bank. If the request was protected by a signature and the signature was generated by hardware, the bank would be able to tell.

      I wonder if there's an OS independent way of doing this?

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    17. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      It seems your bank was seriously tricked by some MS puppet company.

      Read the comment more carefully. My bank has a hardtoken. It doesn't completely protect against MIM attacks if someone can act as a proxy between me and the bank for a while - they can wait until I make a transfer and hijack all my money. But it is OS independent.

      If you want to protect against MIM attacks where the attacker acts as proxy, I think you need something much beefier. Given that you need to get the client to pass things to a USB dongle to be signed, I think you need a proprietary solution. I know how to do this on Windows, but I've got no idea how to do it for other OSs.

      Of course, if you or anyone else can think of a way to do it in a OS independent way, I'd be interested in hearing about it.

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    18. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by maxume · · Score: 1

      The token based systems don't help you know you are talking directly to your bank. They help the bank know that you are actually involved with the transaction, but a man in the middle attack can still present you with a fake site and use your input to fiddle with your account on the actual site. Multiple factors over the same channel don't do much to prevent a sophisticated enough proxy.

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    19. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Swedbank (formerly FSB) have an idea on how to fix this. The 8-digit challenges they send to you are always (except on login) derived from the amounts and account numbers of the transfer taking place. If the attacker wants you to authorize payments to his account, he needs to present you with a challenge that is most likely not consistent with the one you would expect for the transaction you actually want to do.

      Challenges at login always start with a nine, so if the attacker gets a couple of your codes through fake login screens he can only use them to transfer money if you have more than 900000.00 on your account, and if his account number gives a nine at the beginning of the challenge. It would be possible for the bank to disallow any occurence of nines in the beginning of the challenge for any other purpose than login, but they don't state clearly on their website whether they do this or not.

      All this of course assumes that you have read these "rules" on the genuine website, and remember it when you are presented with the fake site where these instructions are missing or changed.

    20. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by SplatMan_DK · · Score: 1

      I disagree.

      The bank knows the ID of the token in question, and the keys it should return. The MIM/proxy does not. If the end user establishes a secure connection to the bank, the proxy in the middle will still not be able to use the encrypted data exchanged between the two points.

      The proxy can only effectively make an attack if the user accepts an unsecured connection. If not, the MIM/proxy is not in possession of the keys needed to lure information out of the encrypted traffic.

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    21. Re:The problem is the authentication mechanism! by maxume · · Score: 1

      Right. But the systems aren't using the key widgets to authenticate transactions over already secure connections, they are using them to authenticate the connection(or, at least, that is the impression I have of the systems that I have seen).

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  17. Pointless by quokkapox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All of these anti-phishing tools are a waste of time. The real problem is educating users about safe computing practices.

    People simply need to learn that you just don't click on a link in an unsolicited email supposedly from your bank, any more than you would deposit your paycheck into a newly opened bank branch in the nasty part of town, with shoddily painted signage and shifty-looking tellers.

    98% of people can learn principles of safe computing. The remaining 2% are a lost cause. Instead of coddling people's ignorance, we should focus on education. Crooks are always going to be out there trying to take advantage of people. This problem is not going to go away or be solved by technological safeguards. It is counterproductive to devise and improve ways for people to continue ignorant, careless behaviour, "La la la, click on whatever links I see," download and run this, that and the next thing, rather than teaching them how to be careful about what code they run and where they type their password.

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    1. Re:Pointless by AaronLawrence · · Score: 1

      Yes. It keeps occurring to me that perhaps the net SHOULD be represented as a dangerous, confusing place, because that way people might actually be cautious. Your bank account, credit card, passwords, and PC can be effectively stolen. Sorry Hollywood, you were right! (The Net)

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    2. Re:Pointless by catbutt · · Score: 1

      Or better yet, we should use eugenics to make future generations smarter. Seems more likely to be effective than your plan to just teach everyone to be less dumb.

  18. grow a brain? by SQLz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know, phishing attempts seem pretty damn obvious to me.

    1. Re:grow a brain? by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 1

      Trite, but true. I recently had about a worst-case phishing attack. I bought something through PayPal, and then I got two emails "from Paypal" at almost exactly the same time. I even labled both emails as being related to the thing I was buying. But then when I looked at the link it was giving, the status bar indicated it was a different site from Paypal. And that's a pretty easy, completely accurate check.

      So, even when I was *expecting* something from the spoofed site, at that exact time, *and* expecting to click on link within that email, it still didn't work, simply because I do something I do by habit anyway: check link targets before clicking. Which is virtually no effort.

      All the proposed "solutions" to phishing rely, necessarily, on the user making some conscious effort to use it, even if that means simply heeding the "this is a phishing site" warning. (Particularly stupid are those who think that adding *another* authentication method to the real site will help. Remember, you can't control the phisher's fake site!) But if the user is going to put any effort at all, there are already two methods much easier than anything they can propose: check the target, and only load from bookmarks.

  19. More pointless 'security solutions' by Jessta · · Score: 1

    This is the same style of 'security solution' as Anti-Virus software.

    Phishing is really easy to prevent.
    1. Don't submit information on non-encrypted pages
    2. Check certificate to make sure it's for the company you want to send the information to.

    Amazingly this is really simple, protects better than any 'anti-phishing' list and has been part of the default functionality of web browsers for many years.

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  20. grr, wanted to say this by someone1234 · · Score: 1

    Yep, works greatly against IP numbers: http://your.bank.com@123.45.67.89 Where your.bank.com is your homebank, 123.45.67.89 is the phishing site.

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  21. Best anti-phishing soln. by zygwin · · Score: 1

    OpenDns + Netcraft + Common sense

  22. The PERFECT PHISHING by Giorgio+Maone · · Score: 2, Informative

    I guess ZoneAlarm registered customers may be surprised in finding how their own original login page works.

    Even if you're not a registered user, just follow the link above and enter fake credentials.

    The game becomes spicier if you have auto-completion enabled for that form...

    Have fun with those antiphishing toys ;)

    Original proof of concept courtesy of Elio, original XSS courtesy of .mario.

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    1. Re:The PERFECT PHISHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very interesting, many thanks.

      From the little can understand of the "Elio" post, this exploit cannot work if I've got the noscript firefox extension and open the link from an "untrusted" place like an email or a message board, right?

      Anyway, that's really scary. I tried with fake user/pass, and told the browser to remember them... BOOM, "your credentials have been stolen".
      When I tried again, even in a different session, they got stolen instantly without any interaction!!!

    2. Re:The PERFECT PHISHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, with NoScript you get a "NoScript filtered a potential cross-site scripting (XSS) attempt from [http://it.slashdot.org]. Technical details have been logged to the Console."

    3. Re:The PERFECT PHISHING by ZoneAlarm · · Score: 1

      ZoneAlarm has been made aware of this script vulnerability. A fix was implemented on Tuesday, June 5th and to our knowledge no customer information has been compromised. -Heather Haas, ZoneAlarm public relations manager

  23. For that matter... by Moraelin · · Score: 1

    For that matter, how about not clicking OR copy-and-pasting?

    I mean, think about it. If it's your bank, you already know it's URL anyway, you probably even have it bookmarked. Why on Earth would anyone need to follow a link from some dodgy email to go log in to their bank? No, bloody seriously.

    Let's try to think like the most clueless user for a moment, and actually believe that my bank wants me to log in to verify I still exist. Well, ok. I already have a bookmark to the bank, I'll go log in there.

    Ah, but maybe they want me to enter some code or whatnot. Well, ok, then the bank will have a link somewhere in its menu for that. Banks existed for quite a while, debatably the first proto-bank were the knights Templar. At any rate, they existed long before emails and wouldn't make clicking on an email link their only option. What if someone forgot their email password, for example? If they want some extra data from me, then (A) they'll also send a snail mail letter, and (B) at any rate the form would be available from the normal site too.

    Or how about picking up the phone and asking my bank if there is some problem?

    Basically, yeah, I'm left scratching my head as to why _is_ an anti-phishing plugin needed at all. If you got someone educated enough about phishing that they'll actually go and download a plugin, then how about just educating them to not do their banking via email links? There, problem solved.

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    1. Re:For that matter... by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      You are thinking about it (which of course is a good thing).

      Many users do not think about it - at least the ones that fall for the scams are more likely thinking like this:

      "Oh, my bank needs to verify my identity. Oh, convenient, there's a link here, then in one go I can open the Internet and go there.".

      That of course is much easier than opening the browser, digging through your bookmarks (and plenty of users don't keep bookmarks - my wife for example always types in yahoo.com and hotmail.com to check her e-mail!), going to the bank, and figuring out where that upate is (it's then not there of course - but the bank sent an e-mail so must be there! Oh wait there was a link in the mail...)

      Wouter.

    2. Re:For that matter... by FST777 · · Score: 1

      You have to realize that while a majority of people have an IQ of 100 and up, some don't. And some of those do use the internet.

      The point is that there are people out there who are just to stupid to think about phishing. The problem is getting them to install an anti-phishing tool. In some case one can do that for them, which might be helpfull. There is where such a thing is needed.

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  24. Correction correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Where?"

    While that other AC is not much help, what he meant to say was that the phrase is "Hear, hear!".

    Regards,
    your friendly neighbourhod AC.

  25. If only by bluegreenone · · Score: 1

    If only there were an extension to block real phishing on the web
    ...
    NJ Transit , PATH train schedules online

  26. Nope by jandersen · · Score: 1

    Phishing and other scams are easy to avoid if one simply use the brain to think with:

    - Banks don't send out security warnings by email with a handy link in so you can 'confirm your details'.
    - Banks never ask for all of your security details even when you are logging on to their actual site - they ask for part of them only.
    - And of course, you should get a teeny bit suspicious when you receive tens of 'security warnings' or similar from banks in a day, especially when you don't have account there.

    The top priority for anybody browsing the internet who has even a marginally normal outlook on life is to avoid adverts. After all, when you are on the internet you tend to know what you want; or I do, at least. If you want to buy something, you search for it - you don't tend to buy spontaneously, just because you an advert. I know people in advertising will hate me for saying this, but intrusive or obstructive advertising doesn't really work. It may work on tv, in newpapers and on posters, but it doesn't work on the internet - because it creates animosity.

  27. Hijacking Firefox Via Insecure Add-Ons by holle2 · · Score: 1

    As reported earlier on /. :
    http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/31/122 6222

    There is a number of unsecure extensions to hijack FireFox. Presumably Googles code as well as other stuff.

    I suggest everybody who thinks of installing such a anti-phishing toolbar should also check out the article above.

  28. Logic, a killer feature of brain v1.0. by greenlead · · Score: 3, Funny

    My brain features the Logic subroutine, which prevents me from falling for scams like phishing. This is a killer application; everyone should install it!

    1. Re:Logic, a killer feature of brain v1.0. by zolaar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When I opened up my Grandma's brain to install the update ( ::cough,cough:: whoa, dusty!!! ), everything seemed to go alright... at first... things just started going downhill not too long after I got the thumbscrews back in...

      Yeah. Frequent, unexpected shutdowns/crashes. Memory leaking all over the place. Some peripherals seem to be completely unaddressable, others seem to have had their drivers corrupted as they work in spasms. Half the time she's completely unresponsive, maybe some I/O call is failing and causing a block, who knows...

      Oh, well. She's an old system, no docs or anything, and her service warranty expired looooong ago. I think I've narrowed it down to being an issue where the filesystem got mucked up, but considering her age it could literally be anything...

      Just to be sure, I should drive her up to that big-box store uptown to see what it'd take to get her all patched up and running again (they'll overcharge, though, hrmf..). OOH, wait! I heard they have some service where you ring them up and a couple technicians in funny little techie uniforms cruise over in their special little techie van and pick it up for you! Bonus! Where's that number...

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  29. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No wonder I thought 2.0 was slow...

    All this anti-phishing crap will slow your browsing experience down. Just don't be a moron, and you're fine. If you're stupid enough to fall for it then...nah I can't say that. But nigga, plox.

  30. red herrings taste bad by SlashDread · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "For most Internet users, defending against phishing attacks is a top priority."

    I cannnot read past this bullshit red herring line.

    Not a single user I know, even understands the word "phishing".

    1. Re:red herrings taste bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear, Hear!

      (and it's not here, here, you fucking idiots!)

      We cannot educate those who do not understand the basic underpinnings of internet security. I have tried. I am tired.

      I would shoot every such malefactor in a second, but the 'here, here' idiots would step in front and take the bullet!

      Sheesh.

      George Bush, IX (or whatever number it is)

  31. I'm sure some Firefox proponents... by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...will come up with a way that having ten different anti-phishing extensions is a good thing. Phishing attacks rely on the uneducated and careless users, which need protection from themselves. If you're qualified to go through these ten extensions and pick the one(s) which are useful, you almost certainly don't need one. So yeah, I guess somewhat interesting for those that manage other people's computers, but it won't do much good for the average Firefox-at-home user. They'll be much better off if the built-in, default phishing protection is improved.

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  32. Disabling JavaScript For Starters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very well said!

    XSS-based phishing like reported in this other PERFECT PHISHING comment can evade any current antiphishing tool.

    Pasting the link and/or looking at the host won't help either, as the landing site is the original, legit one. You would need to be a programmer analyzing the whole URL very deeply, even if that example has not been obfuscated for educational purpose, I guess.

    It's detected and blocked by the NoScript Firefox extension, provided that it's opened from email or from an untrusted site, but that's another story (or just the same?)

    The scary part is that if you've got automatic completion enabled for the login form, you don't even need to type anything, and your account is already stolen...

    JavaScript is dangerous, and incompetent developers make it worse :(

  33. My favourite: SpoofStick by Sapphon · · Score: 1

    aye, I be usin' my SpoofStick aaall the time when I'm online. Never whipped it out for no fishin' website, though. Weirdos.

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  34. Why do you need a Firefox extension? by ajs318 · · Score: 1

    Why the hell do you need a Firefox extension to protect yourself from Phishing?

    It's simple enough: NEVER, EVER respond to an e-mail purporting to be from a bank. If your bank really need to contact you, they will find a way. If there's really a problem with your account, you will have to visit a branch to sort it out anyway. You NEVER have to "confirm your details". Barring special circumstances, there are only two valid reasons for ever visiting a bank; paying in money through the HITW machine, and drawing out money through the HITW machine.

    Also, prefer postal orders to cheques when paying for goods you have ordered. They can't be traced back any further than the post office where they were sold (which need not even be in your own town). You can pay for your postal order using a cheque, but cash is always best. Especially coins, which don't have serial numbers. Don't use very small denominations, though, as other customers behind you in the post office queue may remember being held up by someone fart-arsing about with coppers.

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  35. replace phishing for adverts ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    im fed up of people going "use opendns" on every phishing thread even tho IE7 and FF2 do it out the box

    if i wanted to fuck up my DNS settings i would install the spyware myself

    open dns is nothing more than self help spyware, go read their privacy policy and read the bit about selling you and your data to anyone that wants it, why replace 1 problem (phishing) for another (adverts/user tracking,profiling)

    you would have to be fucking mad to use OpenDNS, its not open (as in source or anything) and its not DNS
    why break shit just to think that somehow you are safe and that the speed of light is somehow faster to their servers than your ISPs all to be profiled by some scumbag advertisers, have my errors redirected to another page filled with scumbag adverts, open dns is nothing more than a shitty advertising company hawking other peoples shit instead of coming up with a product that people actually want to pay for

    you are played for suckers

  36. how is this going to stop serious attempts by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    Any serious fisher will:

      Use a botnet to install a certificate as a ca on the machines,
      update the hosts file so that their banks web site points to a new address.
      Setup a website with the banks correct address as setup in the host file with a certificate signed by the CA they've installed on the host machine, that proxy's the real banks website.
    Sit and collect all the login information required with what appears to be a valid url with a valid SSH certificate (that all important padlock in the corner).
    profit

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  37. Netcraft toolbar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is for the best of them... oh wait not on the list... well, another sposorized list.

  38. SiteAdvisor by Rojo^ · · Score: 1

    They left out McAfee SiteAdvisor. I'm surprised, b/c SiteAdvisor doesn't just detect phishing sites, but also sites that spam or provide spyware downloads.

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  39. Overwhelm the phishers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe this is obvious, but I haven't seen it mentioned much before.

    Whenever I get a phishing email, I go to the site and type in random data in all the appropriate fields and then press submit.

    I figure it's pretty difficult for the phishers to distinguish that from real data entered by less well educated / unsuspecting internet users.

    If a few thousand people (let alone the millions receiving these emails) acted similarly, it would make their job very difficult indeed :)

  40. IETab as anti-phishing extension by angribork · · Score: 1

    My bank uses ActiveX on its website, and so I use the IE engine when using my bank online. In IETab I have a web page filter like this: "https://online.mybank.net/*", which will activate the IE engine. So if I am lead to a web page, say https://online.mybamk.net/, Firefox will still use the FF engine without ActiveX support and not the IE engine, and then phishing web sites trying to mimic my bank can't use ActiveX against me, when I have this setup.

  41. News for clueless users... by X86Daddy · · Score: 1

    ... Stuff that matters to the companies selling their products to said users and astroturfing this site.

  42. Toolbars always fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here are studies by MIT AI labs an CMU group why phising toolbars never work.

    groups.csail.mit.edu/uid/projects/phishing/chi-sec urity-toolbar.pdf
    www.cylab.cmu.edu/files/cmucylab06018.pdf

    Users prime motive is get their job done for which they will click "ok" on any popup or site which makes their job easy,Most of them will never try to to see what is the colour of my address bar,Is the form has a HTML injector or JS hijacker etc;)

    Most of these toolbars work on the feedback based system i.e a phish outbreak occurs and some user reports and the ISP is reported and they are taken down . An average UP time of a Phish site is around 4-10 hrs i.e and average user visitors with real credentials is around 10-50 depending on the Up time.So that point is we are killing the effect not the Cause.

    Use of Multifactor(User to site and vice versa) with Trasaction verification in place will help to curb phishing.

  43. TFA Missed One: Netcraft Toolbar by miller60 · · Score: 1

    The article missed an important anti-phishing Firefox extension: The Netcraft toolbar which is free and has been a top performer in third-party comparisons of toolbar effectiveness.

  44. Comments - phishing filter quality by Sigma+7 · · Score: 1

    Most of "top 10" list appears to be composed of reactive solutions, which rely on user reports. A proactive one automatically detects if a user is entering what appears to be a credit card or debit card number over an http or unsigned https connection - a common trait for most phishing sites.

    Based on the article, Google Safe Browsing should either be at the top or bottom of the list, and not obscured by having a reactive entry in a more prominant position.

    As a side note, these phishing sites want as much traffic as possible. We should give it to them - Lad Vampire handles the traffic, and the fake name generator gives the database entries.