Wii to Get New Hardware - Possibly Hard Drive?

HoboBob writes "It has been suggested that Nintendo will be unveiling some new hardware for the Wii at the E3 media festival, and some are speculating that it could be a hard drive. According to the article: 'Confirmation back in April that Neo Geo games will begin being added to Wii's Virtual Console download service adds weight to the speculation, considering Neo Geo games are huge — some clocking in it at up to 330MB. One of those bad boys would put serious strain on the Wii's memory.'"

Comments

Neo Geo games?

[Canthros]

Duuuuude. I would almost kill for some Samurai Shodown. Dag.

Re:Neo Geo games?

[LKM]

Of course I am a bit skeptic after buying Super Mario Bros for the VC as it runs faster than normal (PAL issue)*, its flickery and has other general playability issues...

I did not notice any flickering or "playability issues," but actually, I think the speed issue is a bugfix rather than a bug. The NES PAL version ran too slow compared to the Japanese and US versions, right? Nintendo fixed that for the Wii release.

Form factor

[Agent00Wang]

While I think having more space would be great, I'd hate to lose the Wii's small form factor in my entertainment cabinet. Maybe it'll be somewhat modular rather than an external box attached via USB or some other wire?

Re:Form factor

[Cinnamon Whirl]

Agreed. Nintendo always seem to like using pre-existing, proven tech, rather than making their own. Considering the price (and size) of a 2gb USB drive nowadays, why not use them?

Re:Form factor

[Phisbut]

While I think having more space would be great, I'd hate to lose the Wii's small form factor in my entertainment cabinet. Maybe it'll be somewhat modular rather than an external box attached via USB or some other wire?

What I'd actually like instead of a hard drive is the ability for the Wii to read directly from the SD card, instead of forcing me to copy the data from the SD card to the Wii's internal memory before using it. Would make managing backups much easier, and even at 300MB, a NeoGeo game can easily fit on a 1GB SD card, which I can then copy to my computer's hard drive for backup when I need more space on the SD card.

Could that be done with a simple firmware update instead of a hardware upgrade?

Re:Form factor

[SausageOfDoom]

You can only use the SD for store; you can't run VC games from it, you have to move them to main memory first.

Re:Form factor

[Amouth]

yea but correcting that and letting you use it to run games.. is nothign more than a software upgrade

Re:Form factor

[CastrTroy]

Wii Sports isn't the be all and end all of sports games for the Wii. It's a free game that's included with the system. And a darn good one at that. You don't see any of the other systems coming with a free game. I haven't seen that since the original NES. I'm sure there will be sports games released in the future that will have online play. Give it time. As for Wii sports, find some real world friends and invite them over to play. If they aren't there with you, you're missing out on most of the fun anyway.

SMB

[rlp]

I'd rather see a software upgrade to support SMB. Then my Wii could access files on my server. While we're at it, they could add a DivX channel for video playback. Oh yeah, and a Java VM ... and a pony.

Re:SMB

[maniac/dev/null]

I'd rather see a software upgrade to support SMB. Then my Wii could access files on my server. While we're at it, they could add a DivX channel for video playback. Oh yeah, and a Java VM ... and a pony.

Why not just wish for a Cell Processor, the end-all-be-all of CPU technology, while you're at it.

I was going to ask for a Folding@Home Channel, but I realized my Wii doesn't have enough downtime to make good use of it.

Re:SMB

[AsnFkr]

I'd rather see a software upgrade to support SMB. Then my Wii could access files on my server. While we're at it, they could add a DivX channel for video playback. Oh yeah, and a Java VM ... and a pony.

Dude, in this conversation you can't use the acronym "SMB" and have it mean what you intended.

correction

[hamanu]

neo geo games were maximum 330 mega BITS, not megabytes.

Re:correction

[Elledan]

Correct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_Geo_(console)

Specification for ROM size was up to 330 megabits, hence the system displaying "MAX 330 MEGA - PRO GEAR SPEC" upon startup. While no technical changes were required to achieve it, some games over 100 megabits followed this screen by displaying an animation touting "The 100 Mega Shock". The original ROM size spec was later enhanced on cartridges with bank switching memory technology, increasing the maximum cartridge size to around 716 Mbit. These new cartridges also caused the system to display "GIGA POWER" upon startup, indicating this enhancement.
So think roughly N64 cartridge sizes.

Wii Hardware Wishlist

[rnmartinez]

I hope they just do a firmware update so that I can use a usb drive or the sd card. I doubt I will personally use the virtual console to go beyond 4gb that an sd card can give me. The only reason I would want an hdd would be if it could play movies and music. I really wish that there was a way to get some type of 5.1 sound (not pro logic II) and some DVD software. I know everyone has a dvd player but it would be nice to have just one magic little box to do everything. And a wireless nunchuk would be cool too

what would be more profitable?

[Dance_Dance_Karnov]

to release new hardware? or to release a patch to let us use network or USB storage? or to re-encode all the redbook audio and fmv with real codecs so that those games don't clock in at anything over 50MB? speaking of, how the hell hard is it to whip up a usb keyboard driver?

Saturn Games

[TwoQuestions]

I hope they come out with some Sega Saturn games, such as NiGHTS or Dragon Force. That would certainly fill a great hole in Virtual Console's arsenal.

Another positive for the Wii.

[poormanjoe]

Whatever optional add-ons Nintendo comes out with for the Wii will just add to the system, not take away from. For it is my option if I want the hard drive to play all the old games I grew up with, but for others they have played those games and are not going to spend the money for the nostalgia of owning them again. Either way I decide whether or not I want to pay the money for the HDD. I'm not being told you must have it for our platform. The same goes for HD-DVD. If I am happy with my DVD collection, and it would cost me thousands to get the same collection in HD format I am probably not interested. If I don't have a DVD collection, then maybe I am highly interested in HD-DVD.

Main point is its my choice.

Re:Another positive for the Wii.

[DarkJC]

It's obvious what parallels you're drawing here, but really they're two completely different systems. For example, leaving an HD optical storage option out of the picture (or even offering it as a choice as Microsoft has done) works for the Wii, because it's not hugely powerful, doesn't support HD resolutions, and doesn't need all that space in the first place.

However, once you offer something as a choice to the consumer, it means that you for the most part cannot use that to enhance the gaming experience for the consumer. In the case of the optional 360 hard drive vs. the PS3's built in hard drive, many games on the PS3 use the HD for streaming data to for optimizing load times, like Oblivion or some upcoming games like Uncharted (which, due to the hard drive, will have no load times). They can do that because it's standard. Likewise, when Microsoft chose to keep DVD as the standard format for game delivery, I have a feeling that they'll be coming to regret that decision in a year or two. It's not going to be a dealbreaker, but it will definitely become more apparent as time goes on that with all the space assets take up in HD games, you really do need a higher capacity storage medium. They left consumers the option of the HD-DVD drive addon in case they wanted to watch HD movies, but that approach doesn't let them take advantage of the superior storage those discs have to offer.

What does this have to do with the Wii? Well, the tone of your post seems to be touting the Wii as the superior choice because you think Nintendo is doing you a favor. For the Wii, the exclusion of the hard drive and HD/DVD playback works, because it's not an HD system and there isn't enough content to really support the inclusion of a hard drive. But to try and draw parallels to the other systems which frankly are offering completely different experiences just reeks of fanboyism to me.

compression?

[Floritard]

Don't tell me these games aren't compressed. Even old school NES games compress like a mother. Are these roms stored without compression? That's quite a few less games I can be buying from VC if I'm filling up my Wii with uncompressed data. Especially N64 and NeoGeo.

I'm also on the USB train...

[Churla]

Just come out with a nice firmware update to more fully utilize the USB support.

a) USB HD
b) USB keyboard

Do that and I am peachy keen fine with the world.

Re:Hmm

[cowscows]

I seriously doubt that they're going to release a new version of the wii that includes any sort of hard drive. I don't think releasing a Wii HD makes much sense for Nintendo either way, but if they were to do so, they'd almost certainly do it as an external add-on. They're still easily selling Wii's by the truckload in their current form, why would they add anything else to it to cut down on their margins?

DVD playback is more likely, because it wouldn't require much in terms of hardware changes, the Wii already has pretty much what it needs to play DVDs.

Realistically

[irwtdvoys]

It'll most likely be peripheral improvements:

- Wireless sensor bar (many people myself included have made one.)
- Light gun attachment (seen at last years E3 but never released.)

Or how about a Wii WebCam (eToy type device) that would fit with the big N's new ways to play philosophy.

I doubt Nintendo will add DVD playback as it makes the console less of a console more of a home entertainment system (PS3) which isn't what Nintendo wants, they have no devision telling them to include video + music playback like Sony do. Hard drive... probably not, I just can't see Nintendo releasing a separate device that plugs in, besides a 4gig card works fine it's not like you can't add any extra space.

Hard Drive for all games (Disc based as well)

[geders]

Ok, seems a bit of overkill to make a harddrive attachement for use only with the Virtual Console. The majority of people using the Virtual Console will never purchase anything larger than an N64 title (max is about 64 megabytes).

Let's assume they use a 10GB 1.8" harddrive (or flash equivalent) that's integrated into the angled stand that ships with the console (if one can even purchase bulk quantities of those anymore). That would let you buy roughly 150 of the largest N64 games to fill that storage space. Or over 100 of the largest Neo Geo games. That seems to be more purchasing than the smallest tiny niche portion of the Wii market would buy. This argument disappears if original downloadable content ever arrives for the Wii.

So, if you are going to come out with a harddrive attachement, give it a "normal" size of 80 GB or larger, and allow us to "store" our Wii disc based games on there. Now you would have the ultimate system for lazy people like me that click around in the Wii menu to play old VC games instead of getting up and walking across the room to put in a new Wii disc to play something different. It would be great if we could "surf our Wii channels" and have access to all of our games.

Re:Does Anyone Actually Use Their Wii Anymore?

[ShaggyIan]

Just started playing Twilight Princess about a week ago, and my wife just purchased Mario Party 8 this week.

What I'm wondering is: Why is playing alone with the Wiimote any more silly than playing with a typical controller? If you are bothered by playing with the controller by yourself, it sounds like you're not interested in the game enough. If you're interested in the game, the controller should just disappear.

I find many of the younger gamers (the XBOX(360) / PS2(3) crowd) lose interest in the Wii because they don't really enjoy the games. While I still enjoy playing God of War, FIFA, etc. on my PS2, I also enjoy some of Nintendo's stuff. My wife, and many of our friends, were never into any other console, but still enjoy Wii. It also isn't a regular activity, as we all have full time jobs and kids eating up our time (not to say you don't).