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Nintendo Wii Homebrew Contest 2007

Croakyvoice writes "DCEmu is hosting the worlds first Nintendo Wii and Nintendo Gamecube Homebrew Coding Contest with prizes of $500 on offer for Homebrew and Emulators for the Wii and Gamecube, The hope is that through this contest an exploit will be released that will allow full homebrew on the Nintendo Wii without a Modchip. Gamecube Homebrew is already on the Wii with a host of systems emulated such as Snes, Genesis, Gameboy and Neogeo."

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  1. Other solutions by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I recently managed to get myself a Wii and from playing around with it, I feel there is a lot of untapped potential. Much of this could be accelerated if they made it easier for individual developers to add new channels. Although the Wii does not have a huge amount of processing power, when compared to a home PC, some of the stuff that I could see being added to it:
        - MP3 Player, accessing music from SD card or a media server such as iTunes. Currently the only MP3 player is part of the slide show.
        - Ability to play MPEG and MPEG4 movies, using codecs other than Motion-JPEG, from SD or a media server
        - Support for Bonjour, for discovering services on you local home network.

    I know that the Wii is meant to be a games machine, but once you have explored the weather, news and internet channels you realise it could be so much more. This price also makes it very attractive.

    On the game front this kind of competition could foster more imagination, than some game companies are will to provide, especially when it comes to using the controller.

    BTW you can play Flash based games with the help of Opera.

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    1. Re:Other solutions by Dwedit · · Score: 2, Funny

      And Flash is 100 times slower than QBasic.

    2. Re:Other solutions by Excors · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As well as Flash, you can do HTML and JavaScript and graphics in <canvas> – I experimented with an FPS engine a while ago, and developed it just with desktop versions of Opera and Firefox, and reportedly it actually works on the Wii too. (Recent nightly builds of Safari also support it – it's nice when browser interoperability works.)

      It's quite horrifically inefficient doing all this in a web browser rather than C++, but there's still a lot you can manage that's within the bounds of feasibility, if you use some imagination to simplify what you need the technology to do for you.

      Incidentally, I like the idea of supporting open standards like <canvas> and <video> rather than proprietary platforms like Flash, particularly given that everyone using the Wii browser has to (indirectly) pay for licensing the Flash player from Adobe.

    3. Re:Other solutions by _xeno_ · · Score: 3, Informative

      As well as Flash, you can do HTML and JavaScript and graphics in <canvas> - I experimented with an FPS engine a while ago, and developed it just with desktop versions of Opera and Firefox, and reportedly it actually works on the Wii too.

      It doesn't work on the Wii - I just tried.

      Even if it did, you wouldn't be able to play it because there's no way to generate keyboard events with the Wii. The only events you do get are mouse motion events and the left mouse button.

      The Opera-powered Wii browser is still a very capable browser, but it doesn't quite work for things like that.

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  2. Re:advertising ploy! by TodMinuit · · Score: 2, Informative

    By who? Nintendo isn't sponsoring the contest. It's unofficial.

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  3. Developers, developers, developers! by TodMinuit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Allowing anyone to develop a Wii Channel -- even if it's only restricted access through something like RSS -- would only have a positive effect on the console.

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  4. Wii homebrew without a modchip? read again. by Superken7 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From FTA:

    This Coding Competition will hopefully ignite a mass of interest for creating homebrew and emulators on the Nintendo Wii and Nintendo Gamecube.

    The article does not encourage homebrew developers to find a new way to run homebrew on the gamecube, far less on the wii itself (in wii-mode). As far as i can tell from the news post, it is just a GC homebrew competition which does not limit the loader to known methods.

    It would be far more interesting if someone already 'known' to the homebrew scene would create a bounty for the first person who is able to run homebrew on the wii (in wii mode, that is).
    Something similar to what StoneCypher did with the dswifi library, which was done by sgstair(thanks!).
    1. Re:Wii homebrew without a modchip? read again. by BoUgS · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It would be far more interesting if someone already 'known' to the homebrew scene would create a bounty for the first person who is able to run homebrew on the wii (in wii mode, that is). They already have that, and the bounty is currently running. http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wii_Linux_bounty
    2. Re:Wii homebrew without a modchip? read again. by Superken7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately that is not exactly the kind of thing i was talking about.
      That bounty is for getting linux to run (which requires homebrew running, yes, but that should be different goals/projects).

      Note that wiili adds a LOT of requisites appart from running homebrew AND booting linux, such as 'Wiimote, keyboard, mouse, dvd drive, sd-card and network support.', (which is not to be taken lightly)
      They even add the requisite of not voiding the warranty :P . I think they took a slightly different goal. That bounty will probably happen when homebrew is already a reality. Not before or at the same time.

      IMHO, a more natural approach would be
      1. get homebrew running.
      2. get linux to boot.(This one will happen like, almost instantly? ;)
      3. Improve 1. so that it does not void the warranty ..and/or.. add functionality to linux, but again, that will happen 'naturaly'
      4. I was tempted to include a 'PROFIT!' step here ;-, woops, i already did!

  5. Re:how long by hcpxvi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How long did you have to wait for the wii to come out?

    Until you get lucky ;) Seriously, I have been going to various stores, every once in a while, asking them when their next batch is due.

    If you are in the UK, then GAME make you do this. Those of us who have better things to do than hang around video game stores would be well-advised to try GameStation, who will take a deposit and phone you up when your name reaches the top of the list.

    The Wii is a thoroughly well-designed and enjoyable toy. I'd certanly like to see it opened up a bit. How else will we get Wii change-ringing?

  6. Not even $500 cash by Joreallean · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's not even for real money. It's $300 store credit to some junk store that sells crappy handheld knock offs.

    1. Re:Not even $500 cash by Sparr0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sadly, most people just ignore any console that doesnt have at least a 10% marketshare. Sometimes that is a good thing *cough*ngage*cough*, but other times you get imbeciles posting about great consoles like the GP2x (which i owned, and developed for, until mine was stolen).

  7. Why don't they PROMOTE home game creation? by Morgaine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The marketting divisions of Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony seem to be exceedingly blinkered when it comes to home games production on their consoles. It worked for the Amiga, which because of direct support from Commodore (docs and tools) saw the emergence of a huge and extremely buoyant community with legions of Amiga supporters worldwide. And that's only one example.

    There is really no reason for NOT supporting private developers, because every console that is purchased will also lead to commercial games sales as well, it's totally inevitable. Some people have suggested that the manufacturers are afraid of competition from the amateur sector, but that is just totally unsubstantiated. After all, all those years of game development and millions spent in asset production cannot easily be rivalled at home.

    While there will always be some people who simply cannot afford commercial games, in general the existence of a successful amateur sector would be *additional* to the success of commercial products, and it wouldn't replace them. The argument that the console manufacturers want their cut from licensing games doesn't stand up either, because they will continue to get their cut from those commercial games. If the sectors are additive, then that income is not reduced.

    Of course, if the multi-million dollar games are so crap that people prefer the amateur products instead, then there would indeed be an effect, but that's not likely to happen in the general case. Even if the commercial investments are highly inefficient and tied to games with poor/boring gameplay, they still provide *gloss* at least, and so people will still buy them.

    I put it down to the truism that "marketting is clueless", as always. Which is a big pity here.

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    1. Re:Why don't they PROMOTE home game creation? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The marketting divisions of Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony seem to be exceedingly blinkered when it comes to home games production on their consoles. It worked for the Amiga, which because of direct support from Commodore (docs and tools) saw the emergence of a huge and extremely buoyant community with legions of Amiga supporters worldwide. And that's only one example.


      There's a subtle difference between the Amiga and the game consoles. The Amiga itself was sold to make money, whereas game consoles sell games to make money. Sony and Microsoft, for example, take a loss on the systems. Nintendo, from what I've read, makes some profit on the Wii but very little. The money is recouped through publishing. That's the reason none of these companies are keen on home-brew games. It's sort of like how theaters don't want you bringing your own food and drink in. Interestingly enough, Nintendo survived and thrived when Commodore didn't.
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    2. Re:Why don't they PROMOTE home game creation? by Nazlfrag · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So what. If Nintendo made similar tools available, you'd be vendor locked to them. Supporting homebrew for your products is far from equivalent to the MS mantra 'Embrace, Extend, Extinguish'. XNA is a step in the right direction, but $99USD yearly fees destroy its homebrew credibility. Still, it's already far more fully featured for making a game than what Sony or Nintendo have to offer. When XNA drops its fees, Sony opens up the architecture and Nintendo chime in then we will see a truly powerful amateur market emerge. Until then, it will remain at a fraction of its potential.

  8. Re:advertising ploy! by Superken7 · · Score: 2, Informative

    By who? From the article:

    Prize Details

    [--banner from gp2xstore.com--]

    1st Prize) $300 to spend at GP2X Store

    2nd Prize) $150 to spend at GP2X Store

    3rd Prize) $50 to spend at GP2X Store

    I give you 3 tries :-)
  9. Mythical Wii dev kits by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Where are the inexpensive dev kits you promised last year, Nintendo? Sony and Microsoft are actually supporting homebrew, Nintendo is dragging their feet. I hope I can look forward to interesting and exciting news at E3 with regard to homebrew, dev kits, and VC originals ... but I'm not holding my breath. Please live up to your promises, Nintendo, don't turn this into another GameCube broadband adapter.

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    1. Re:Mythical Wii dev kits by edwdig · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nintendo promised cheaper dev kits to licensed developers. They never said anything about the general public.

    2. Re:Mythical Wii dev kits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yup. It's something I've looked into myself. The $2k isn't a big deal but as an indy mobile game developer who just works out of a home office, it's kind of a no-go. The Wii shop channel would be an awesome platform for independant/small game devs to try their hand at a few small, $5 Wii games, nevermind the potential from purely hobbyist homebrew devs. Sure, there probably wouldn't be heaps of great new awesome content but a few gems are bound to turn up and many more "fun time wasters" or even the odd program that might inspire one of the larger established dev companies. It'd be a win-win-win all around.

    3. Re:Mythical Wii dev kits by reybrujo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh, they are availabe here, and should be under USD 2000 (according to some old gaming articles), but apparently you need solid plan and backing to get them :-(

  10. Re:how long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sorry, no store in the world has "at least 10 Wiis all the time". So you're clearly a liar. But just to be sure, I checked. Not a single Best Buy in Alberta has a Wii in stock right now. The online stock locator showed zero, but I called the Edmonton North store to double check. He told me no one in the province had any either, and checked his own stock locator. I then checked Future Shop online, even though they're owned by Best Buy, and still nothing. Please give me a store in Edmonton that has a Wii in stock that I can call to verify.

  11. Cheaper Flash SDK? by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So how do I make Flash games without a $700 devkit? With the DS, I need $500 for a PC, $130 for a DS, and $50 for an R4 and a microSD card. I download the software to CD or microSD at a public library, and then I take it home and install it on my PC. With the Wii, I need $500 for a PC, $250 for a Wii, and either $700 for an Adobe Flash license or $250 for an Adobe Flash Education Edition license and at least $450 for a semester of community college.

  12. Re:Hah, yeah right! by heinousjay · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Come on, don't act naive. "Homebrew" is code for pirating and emulating old games, and "backups" is code for pirating new games. Now you have your education.

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  13. Why homebrew? by falcon5768 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Full developer tools cost 2000 dollars for the Wii, same cost of a decent computer system.

    Part of the whole homebrewing philosophy stems from the high cost of development of some of these systems (case in point PS3 dev box is 10,000 dollars)

    But if you REALLY want to create some good games for the Wii, and maybe even sell them via the Virtual Console for 5-10 bucks, then 2k for a developer kit aint that bad at all.

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    1. Re:Why homebrew? by Kent+Simon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Interesting idea, but in practice this is impossible. I wanted to develop for the Wii, so I emailed and inquired about the process of getting a Dev Kit. After reading my email, it was forwarded to the VC dept, because I hadn't had any AAA titles published. At the VC dept level, the email was sat on and I haven't heard from them again. Turns out you have to have a brick and mortar company to be able to develop for the Wii. Not a company you run out of your house, and certainly not a hobbyist developer. This is a major oversight by nintendo, as third party support really matters this time around. And I would love to develop for it.

      P.S. Unmodded all of my moderated posts so that I could say that.

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  14. Re:What GP2X titles? by LKM · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are actually commercial games created specifically for the GP2X (check out the store), but this is hardly the GP2X's point. Calling it a "knock-off," as Joreallean has done, is about the stupidest, most uninformed thing I've ever heard.

    It's a handheld for people who are into the whole homebrew thing and don't want to a) constantly fight Sony with firmware upgrades or b) buy expensive hardware to get homebrew to run on an unsupported handheld like the DS. The GP2X is a fully supported, programmable, Linux-running handheld. If you want to go into a store and buy games, it's not for you. This handheld isn't for everybody. It's for a very specific subset of all gamers, and for them, it's a great piece of hardware.

    Sorry for the rant.

  15. Re:What GP2X titles? by LKM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are actually commercial games created specifically for the GP2X (check out the store), but this is hardly the GP2X's point. Then what is the GP2X's point in practice? Emulators?

    Yes.

    Tetris clones like the one I made?

    Yes.

    The point is whatever you want it to be.

    I use mine to play Neo Geo games on-the-go on a nice, big screen. I also use it to play around with some game ideas. You could use it to watch TV shows. Or as a Walkman replacement. Or as an organizer. Or to show your pals the game you've made. Or to read a book. It's a toy. You use it for whatever the hell you want.

    Also, I don't know what it costs to get a GP2X in the USA. I'm from Europe. I know the GP2X was cheaper than a DS plus a DS-X (which I also own, by the way, as well as a PSP. I just don't actually write software for them because it's so much easier with the GP2X).

  16. Re:Hah, yeah right! by Pxtl · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't be silly. The scene began on the Dreamcast, and at the time, Homebrew specifically referred to home-made *games* not emulators. There are lots of good home-made games that are 100% legit for consoles.