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Nerdy Photo in Vista DVDs Thwarts Disk Pirates

maximus1 writes "Microsoft says that the tiny photo on the Windows Vista Business Edition installation disks is an anti-piracy feature. The tiny photo of three grinning men — less that 1 mm in size — is one of several images incorporated into the hologram's design intended to make it harder to replicate a Vista DVD, according to Nick White on Microsoft's Vista team blog. 'The real story is interesting, but conspiracy theorists will be disappointed to learn that it is not the result of a deliberate attempt to deceive,' White wrote."

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  1. If it were porn... by rufo · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...would Vista be pirated less or more?

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    1. Re:If it were porn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If it were the same three guys it would be pirated less.

  2. How is someone supposed to know by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that they are supposed t look for that to see of the copy they have is legit?

    And it only assumes the buyer cares.

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    1. Re:How is someone supposed to know by Saxerman · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are a host of anti-counterfeit measures on currency. And for the most part the average consumer will neither know nor care, and just keep passing the stuff off as genuine. Yet the Fed certainly cares, and they are certainly looking for the stuff. Adding tiny anti-counterfeit designs doesn't make it harder to print fake currency, it makes it easier to identify the stuff as fake. So they can locate fake currency floating in the wild and hopefully trace it back to its source.

      Watermarks such as this are designed to prevent counterfeits, not piracy. There are large scale counterfeit operations designed to pass themselves off as legitimate software resellers. Considering the type of disc presses these organizations have access to these days, they can stamp some very authentic looking discs.

      The BSA and other such agents look out for these tiny missing features, so they know when and where to release the hounds.

      A mom and pop shop with a few extra installs than licenses is small potatoes. They group stamping 100s of thousands of discs in China and selling them as genuine in Europe are the big daddy potatoes.

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    2. Re:How is someone supposed to know by bkgood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The BSA and other such agents look out for these tiny missing features, so they know when and where to release the hounds. A mom and pop shop with a few extra installs than licenses is small potatoes.
      I hope you aren't suggesting the hounds wouldn't be released on the mom and pop shop regardless -- easy money is easy money in the eyes of the BSA.
    3. Re:How is someone supposed to know by Reverend528 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So they can locate fake currency floating in the wild and hopefully trace it back to its source.
      This works with money because it is circulated. Once bound to a host, vista cannot be reused.

      Watermarks such as this are designed to prevent counterfeits, not piracy.
      I have to wonder how many people will unknowingly buy a counterfeit version of windows. And how many that do are actually going to inspect their DVD for a 1mm image.
    4. Re:How is someone supposed to know by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, Vista isn't circulated like currency, but counterfeit disks will still turn up in raids, seizures of smuggled cargo, etc.

      This isn't about stopping you or me from installing a pirated copy of Vista (knowingly or unknowingly), this is about making it that bit easier to find and shut down the big counterfeiting operations.

  3. It's all about the photo by Shabbs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, cuz a tiny little photo is going to stop the piracy. Stop the presses... gather 'round children... PIRACY HAS BEEN ELIMINATED!!!!

    All pirates care about is 1) Does it install? 2) Can I "activate" it?

    Cheers.

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    1. Re:It's all about the photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      REAL pirates primarily care about: Can I sell it and get away with it?


      REAL pirates primarily care about: Can I SAIL it and get away?
    2. Re:It's all about the photo by fm6 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      All pirates care about is 1) Does it install? 2) Can I "activate" it?
      Yet another "everybody's like me" Slashdotter. This isn't aimed at preventing dorks like you from borrowing your friend's install disc. MS would certainly like to prevent that kind of piracy, but they don't really lose sleep over it. What they do lose sleep over is big commercial pirate software organizations that want to pass off their product as "legitimate".
  4. Link To Pictures by pavon · · Score: 4, Informative

    For the majority of slashdotters that don't have a Vista DVD and a magnifying glass sitting on their desk, the engadget article has pictures.

  5. The three guys trap your soul ... by siddesu · · Score: 4, Funny

    Then, if the disk is illegally copied, they send the soul to Microsoft Hell. And if the disk is genuine, the soul goes to Microsoft Heaven.

    1. Re:The three guys trap your soul ... by lgramling · · Score: 3, Funny

      they send the soul to Microsoft Hell. And if the disk is genuine, the soul goes to Microsoft Heaven. What's the difference?
    2. Re:The three guys trap your soul ... by mjwx · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then, if the disk is illegally copied, they send the soul to Microsoft Hell.
      Where you're forced to use a Mac
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  6. All I know is ... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... if I worked on the 'Vista' team I sure wouldn't want my picture printed on the DVD. What if someone recognized me on the street? Or in prison?? Or on /.???

    1. Re:All I know is ... by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... if I worked on the 'Vista' team I sure wouldn't want my picture printed on the DVD. What if someone recognized me on the street? Or in prison?? Or on /.???
      how can we recognize you unless you uploaded your own photo? for all we know you look like this: 8>)
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    2. Re:All I know is ... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Funny

      how can we recognize you unless you uploaded your own photo? for all we know you look like this: 8>) OK ... where's that hidden camera?
    3. Re:All I know is ... by Score+Whore · · Score: 3, Funny

      You sure it's not three virgins and no wise men?

  7. I Feel Ripped Off by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Funny

    The problem is that when I got my Vista upgrade discs through Dell for systems bought just before Vista was released, I don't have pretty hologram discs like that at all. I have just plain printed Dell labeled junk that anybody could counterfeit.

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  8. Re:fail by rborek · · Score: 5, Informative

    Microsoft is more worried about the large-scale pirates - the ones that sell the disks to unwitting consumers, either standalone or as part of a new PC. This would allow them to more easily show that the disks themselves are counterfeit.

  9. Let's see what's wrong... by perlhacker14 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First off, nerds like us are the ones who pirate stuff in the first place. Second, if the image is so small, which user is going to see it, and if the user cannot see it, then claims of amnesty are theoretically possible. Third, due to the traditionally nonintimidating nature of the nerd, what pirate who sees the image will think and stop what they are doing? It seems that Microsoft demonstrates its foolishness through oversight and arrogance once again. Though, the whole idea is quite funny for the rest of us!

  10. "I buried Paul" by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft Corp. has clarified the identity of the mysterious trio on the installation disks for the business version of Windows Vista.
    And no, you can't play the installation DVDs backwards and hear the devil talking, either.
    Yeah, you have to play them forward to hear the devil talking.
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  11. Avoid CLick through by blhack · · Score: 5, Informative

    Real story
    no ads.
    This isn't an anti-piracy measure, Microsoft is actually pretty upset about it. They don't like easter eggs because it makes them look unprofessional. If they find the guys that did this, they will probably be fired.

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    1. Re:Avoid CLick through by blhack · · Score: 3, Informative
      from TFA:

      Microsoft doesn't like easter eggs in its products, doesn't like surprises that could make it look unprofessional or just be embaressing. Larry Osterman said, "Nowadays, adding an easter egg to a Microsoft OS is immediate grounds for termination". Jeremy Mazner has more:

              Leading up the release of Windows 2000, Microsoft starting getting a lot more serious about selling servers into the government and large enterprise markets. These guys saw NT 4 as the first really credible enterprise-class product from MS, and were evaluating Win2k to see how things were progressing.

              The story, as I recall it, is that one of these customers had some strong words for our easter eggs, suggesting that any company that could let such things frivolous things into their products wasn't doing a very good software engineering job, and thus couldn't be trusted to run an enterprise-scale business.

              The argument never made much sense to me. Easter eggs, at least on teams I worked on, were never anywhere near critical-path code. And they often seem to have been pretty well tested by every member of the product team who wanted to verify their name showed up. Maybe there's some story I don't know about how an Easter egg caused a perf hit, or crash or something (I bet if such a story existed, Raymond would know it.). In any event, it seemed like we one day got this email that said "no more Easter eggs ever again", and that was pretty much the end of it.
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    2. Re:Avoid CLick through by martinX · · Score: 4, Funny

      But how can MS find them? They are so tiny and could hide anywhere.

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  12. At least... by ceroklis · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... they didn't use this one.

  13. So this is why Vista is so expensive by Kildjean · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hmmm Embeded holographic images... So wait a second, is this why Vista is so Expensive? I mean are people who are paying $300 bucks for vista paying really $1 for the OS and $299 for the Hologram?

    Sweet!

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  14. Re:fail by petermgreen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It only takes one customer (or test buyer) to spot a counterfeit and provide information allowing the counterfieter to be traced.

    Plain pirates who do nothing to disguise what they are selling as legit may do some damage but buisness customers are easilly scared away from them by the threat of audits, counterfieers OTOH can sell at a much higher price to buisness customers taking sales directly from MS.

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  15. exactly by ihatewinXP · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The pirate copy I bought in here in Beijing had these security features:

    1. Plastic sleeve
    2. No box
    3. Burned CD with "Vista 32 Eng" written in Sharpie on the front.

    And it works great. Even came with the guys phone number in case I had problems applying the validation hacks.

    If youre going to buy a pirate version what do you care? I have seen the nicer versions (with fake box et. al.) but trust me, no one is fooling themselves into thinking that they are getting a $400 program for ten bucks.

    But my even more ghetto pirate version only cost $5 and it came with Office 2007 as well (which employed the same counter measures) ;)

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    1. Re:exactly by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      no one is fooling themselves into thinking that they are getting a $400 program for ten bucks.

      That's for the $10 copies. There are, however, the $400 copies, in which case people are fooled into thinking that the $400 they're paying for this program is going to Microsoft instead of some thief's pocket.

      (And yes, this is in fact theft. The data might not be "stolen", but the $400 definitely was stolen.)

    2. Re:exactly by Carnildo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      (And yes, this is in fact theft. The data might not be "stolen", but the $400 definitely was stolen.)


      No, it isn't. Selling an item with the pretense that it's a different item is called "fraud".
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    3. Re:exactly by arashi+no+garou · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually it depends on which country or even which state the transaction occurs in. Where I live (Georgia, United States) it's called Theft By Deception. There is a parallel charge called Deceptive Business Practices, which covers businesses and individuals claiming to be a business that attempt a fraudulent transaction. If they actually succeed in selling a bogus product or service, and money exchanges hands, they are hit with the theft charge as well.

    4. Re:exactly by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 3, Funny
      You forgot one word. Lemme correct it for you:

      That's for the $10 copies. There are, however, the $400 copies, in which case people are fooled into thinking that the $400 they're paying for this program is going to Microsoft instead of some other thief's pocket. hehe...

      (And yes, this is in fact theft. The data might not be "stolen", but the $400 definitely was stolen.) I completely agree. In both cases!
  16. Worried about being authentic by mmarlett · · Score: 4, Funny

    So does anyone have a torrent of this hologram? The Vista I have really needs it.

  17. Re:fail by GFree · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dude, for most of us Slashdot might as well be the planet. So shut up and (sudo) get me a sandwich!

  18. Nerdy Photo? by GFree · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's not a nerdy photo.

    If there were really serious, THIS should have been the embedded image.

  19. Re:fail by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There isn't a lot of negative reaction to Vista.

    Dell had to revert back to selling XP due to customer demand. Many poles, published on many sites, indicate that the business world is nonplussed with Vista and many have no plans to migrate over. This includes our shop that runs all XP on the desktop and Linux on the servers only.

    Many, many people are not interested in Vista, particularly since it won't run a lot of popular software. By the time you can't get support for XP, we will have already migrated to either OS/X or Linux. There IS a lot of negative reaction to Vista. The average gamer or grandma may not care because it is their only choice, but many of us will stick with XP until a better choice comes along. I run IT and I haven't bothered installing it, although I can for free. Won't run all my hardware and software, is buggy as hell, so why would I?

    What really matters: More people are trying to pirate XP than Vista. When people won't even STEAL a product, I would consider that a negative reaction to it.

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  20. It's a secret BECAUSE... by TheDarkener · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nobody has cared to look at the Vista Business Install CD.

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  21. Kneel before ZOD by jptechnical · · Score: 3, Funny

    If an explosion occurs nearby, won't it shatter the hologram releasing these three criminals that were imprisoned on Krypton nearly 3 decades ago? You know they must be pissed! They would have super human powers, and superman is nowhere to be found!

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  22. Does no one get it? by batkiwi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is not about buying a cheap copy for $5 and "wondering" if it's real or not (hint: it's not). A contrived example of why this is important:

    You go to your local mom and pop PC shop. You buy a PC for $1000 including Vista. They give you a disk that has a nice color silkscreened vista logo. 9 months later, the activation hack they applied and didn't tell you was applied is fixed via update, and you call MS to deal with validation. They ask you about your disk, which has no holograms. They tell you you've been "had," so you go back to the mom and pop shop and require a real copy, this time knowing what to look for and demand.

    The same story could be told about small businesses who are not large enough to use corporate version with their own keyserver, and thus buy bulk professional licenses and have the CDs as proof of license.

  23. Fifth picture discovered by walt-sjc · · Score: 5, Funny

    In an even smaller spot, this picture was found...

    1. Re:Fifth picture discovered by master_p · · Score: 3, Funny

      In an even smaller spot, this picture was found...

  24. Cracked? by Associate · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will cracked versions feature a pasty white buttocks of the nerd that cracked it?

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  25. Vista by itself is enough to thwart piracy by bl8n8r · · Score: 4, Funny

    My sister's friend's brother's girlfriend has a cousin that went to china and said she saw them throwing out the vista cds and pirating the clamshells.

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  26. Re:LESS THAT 1 MM IN SIZE by normuser · · Score: 4, Funny

    LESS THAT 1 MM IN SIZE...

    If you must comment on your penis size, Please use your journal.
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