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Linux Computer in USB Key Form-Factor

PMBjornerud writes "A start-up located in the French Alps near Grenoble is readying a tiny ARM-based Linux single-board computer (SBC) in a USB key form-factor. Calao's USB-9260 USB key-sized SBC measures 3.3 x 1.4 inches (85 x 36 mm). It is based on an Atmel AT91SAM9260 processor, an SoC (system-on-chip) powered by an ARM926EJ-S core clocked at 190MHz. The SoC targets "advanced applications such as GPS application processors," according to Atmel. Here is a Spec sheet PDF. With a 10/100 Ethernet port, firewall usage springs to mind. Other interfaces are 2 USB host ports and room for an expansion card. Which should allow some creative uses. "

149 comments

  1. imagine by trollercoaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    a beowulf cluster of these!

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    1. Re:imagine by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Funny

      a beowulf cluster of these!

      ...that's actually easy to do: you could fit a Beowulf cluster of 'em in a shoebox (or better yet, convert an old ATX case to hold a couple dozen or so).

      /P

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    2. Re:imagine by SQLGuru · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why isn't there a Grindel cluster or Grindel OS or something for all of these Beowulf clusters?

      Layne

    3. Re:imagine by dbIII · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why isn't there a Grindel cluster ... Beowulf

      It would be missing an ARM.

    4. Re:imagine by pushing-robot · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:imagine by Marc_Hawke · · Score: 1

      They have both sides of USB connectors. Could you just chain them by plugging them into each other?

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    6. Re:imagine by sedman · · Score: 1

      Because Grindel was the villain and would therefor need to run windows...And who would want the hassle of setting that up?

    7. Re:imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm yes... an imaginary piece of hardware w/ no explanation of implimentation or function. Quite an intelligent design.

    8. Re:imagine by stoolpigeon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Grindel? Is this a localization thing? I have never heard of Grindel - Grendel, but not Grindel.

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    9. Re:imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine a beowolf cluster of those shoe boxes..
      Would that be US UK or EURO sized?

    10. Re:imagine by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Awesomely funny and appropriate. Kudos!

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    11. Re:imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's Grendel. :)

    12. Re:imagine by Slaimus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That actually seems doable:

      1 7-port self powered USB hub
      7 of these keys
      7 ethernet cables
      1 8-port switch

      Connect the keys to the USB hub for power
      Connect the ethernet cables from the keys to the switch
      Connect your workstation to the switch

      Not sure which Beowulf supporting OS runs on ARM though.

    13. Re:imagine by ozbird · · Score: 1

      It would be missing an ARM.

      And you wouldn't want to meet it's mother...board.

    14. Re:imagine by snarkbot · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, each one of these has two USB 2.0 host ports. So you could just chain a whole bunch together or, with a little additional off-the-shelf hardware (i.e., USB cables), create a more efficient topology of parallel USB key computers. Add in some software for communication over these USB channels, and you've got a USB Beowulf cluster-to-go.

      (Yes, there are all sorts of issues with actually doing this, from getting power to chained USB devices to topological efficiency to latency to power/cost/computational efficiency. It's just fun to think about.)

      -snarkbot

    15. Re:imagine by nanosquid · · Score: 3, Funny

      That sort of thing is not permitted in Utah, you insensitive clod!

    16. Re:imagine by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
      Grindel? Is this a localization thing?

      Yep, it's a town in Switzerland.

      I think the OP's suggesting it's an expensive place.

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    17. Re:imagine by br14n420 · · Score: 1

      It sounds a lot more fun to stack up some laptop motherboards for this, instead.

      Unfortunately, it looks like the discussion here immediately went the route of folks thinking the USB dongle is the same thing as the eval kit, which is 5"x7" and requires external power. Which makes this only practical if you forget that in the same 5"x7" form, you could fit a 2GHz core2duo w/ pci express video, sata2, and several I/O ports we all know and love, only using laptop parts.

  2. Firewall by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

    Should be a bit more useful than the Windows-only USB "firewall" dongle that was posted here a while back.

    1. Re:Firewall by tigerc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think the only advantage of this particular linux usb key is it's size. Otheriwse, the gumstix are a helluva lot more powerful and almost as small (think size of a gumstick). Anyway, gumstix also has a variety of expansion boards. I'm waiting for the gsm module so I can make something off the OpenMoko platform or a cobbled together iPhone.

    2. Re:Firewall by ringfinger · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This seems like the ultimate in upgradable technology -- just unplug an old one and plug in a new one. Put this in a car as the on-board computer, then you could pull it out and plug it into another machine to perform diagnostics or upgrade software. This seems extremely useful to me.

    3. Re:Firewall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Gumstix may have a higher clock, but they use the XScale microarchitectrue. The 926 is the same architecture, but the microarchitecture has superior performance, particularly with regard to memory access. I'd be interested to see real world benchmarks between the devices.

    4. Re:Firewall by charlesnw · · Score: 1

      Um. Cobbled together iPhone? I am not aware that gumstix makes touch screens. Or are you planning to add one on via the expansion capabilities and some sort of custom case? If so that sounds like a very interesting project.

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    5. Re:Firewall by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, except that all gumstix products put Ethernet on a daughterboard using a Hirose connector that's a complete non-starter in a severe high-vibration environment.

      This thing still uses an RJ45 connector which means it still can't be used in such a severe environment in its off-the-shelf form, but it's much easier to desolder a connector and solder a jumper cable to something like a MIL-C-38999 and pot the whole thing in epoxy than try to ruggedize those Hirose connectors (hopeless).

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    6. Re:Firewall by owlstead · · Score: 2, Informative

      It seems this one is quite a bit smaller as well. Furthermore, it has 256 MB flash instead of max 16 for the gumstix I saw. Then again, you can easily upgrade the memory of the gumstix using SD or compact flash. And the gumstix seem to have more options. Of course, it depends on the price as well. The gumstix seem to be pretty sweetly priced, we'll just have to wait for the prices of these.

    7. Re:Firewall by Ann+Coulter · · Score: 1

      This device is very exciting to me. One possible application is to put a web server on the embedded device, store the data on its disk, and let people access their data with more organization than a hierarchical filesystem. More ambitious is to implement common applications via Web 2.0 on this web server and let the owner of the device modify the data without needing to use anything more than a browser on the host side. This is very exciting to me.

    8. Re:Firewall by hengdx · · Score: 1

      Many of these USB security dongles are windows-based. The only device i came across with multi-platform compatibility is "bioslimdisk", it is a usb security device using fingerprint security to protect and secure your data. I think its the only biometrics device which is working on linux/mac platforms.

  3. But does it.. by mulvane · · Score: 4, Funny

    Run Windows Vista?

    1. Re:But does it.. by DeeVeeAnt · · Score: 1

      No, to run Fester you need the slightly larger USB ball and chain form factor.

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    2. Re:But does it.. by Penguinisto · · Score: 2, Funny

      Run Windows Vista?

      Sure! You just have to plug it into one of the MSFT-recommended expansion packs...

      /P

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    3. Re:But does it.. by Skapare · · Score: 1

      Have you ported Windows Vista to the ARM CPU?

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  4. At last! by syphax · · Score: 1, Redundant


    A Beowulf cluster that fits in my pocket!

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    1. Re:At last! by Kaptain+Kruton · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nah... I think you are just happy to see me.

  5. Honestly... by AltGrendel · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...I'm not sure anything could.

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    1. Re:Honestly... by laejoh · · Score: 2, Funny

      The simple truth is that interstellar distances will not fit into the human imagination.

      The simple truth is that a computer capable of running Windows Vista will not fit into the human imagination.

      There, I fixed it for you :)

  6. In Soviet Amerika: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    Form-Factor Keys Linux Computer in USB Key.

  7. OBLIG: Imagine a beowolf... by martyb · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just imagine a beowolf cluster of these... Seriously!

    The SBC had TWO usb host slots into which TWO of these could be plugged (back-to-back) and EACH of these could have TWO more! And so on and so on. Sure there'd be power considerations (duh).

    So, more realistically, plug a multiport USB hub into your PC, and plug one of these into each of the ports... instant cluster!

    Yes, I know, there's probably has no _practical_ use like this (190 MHz; 64MB SDRAM), but just for the geekiness of it, I'd love to see someone DO it!

    1. Re:OBLIG: Imagine a beowolf... by mabhatter654 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's like a tidied up Gumstix. For small computers those guys rule the market right now. All the power of a WinCE or Palm in a tiny little board. They are missing USB hosting and video for the complete package. But they have Bluetooth and robot servo control... kinda makes up for it.

    2. Re:OBLIG: Imagine a beowolf... by fbjon · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome our new USB stick fractal overlords.

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    3. Re:OBLIG: Imagine a beowolf... by iabervon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately for that idea, it's too wide to plug two into adjacent ports on a hub and too tall to plug into adjacent ports on a computer. They need to offer a version with a mini-USB socket for the device end before you can make a cluster of these.

    4. Re:OBLIG: Imagine a beowolf... by caseih · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I disagree. I presume the device can run with only power (ie standalone). If so, and if it was cheap enough, stick one of these inside a Linksys WRT54GL case, attach it to an ethernet port, and you have a very nice parental filter dansguardian box. The Linksys itself isn't powerful enough to run dansguardian (not enough ram), but this device has sufficient ram. Or it could be used to augment the capabilities of linksys itself, like to do a PBX, or something.

    5. Re:OBLIG: Imagine a beowolf... by iamdrscience · · Score: 1

      Gumstix now has a PXA270 based board that has USB host. As far as video, I think the best you could probably do is either a USB video device (assuming you can get a driver working) or the onboard LCD controller (which is picky to say the least because LCDs are evil).

    6. Re:OBLIG: Imagine a beowolf... by chuckymonkey · · Score: 1

      I'm not all that familiar with dansguardian, but have you tried to mount a remote file system into DD-WRT and install the software in that? I've done this so that I can have the router access data on my computer, but haven't done it yet to run any applications.

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    7. Re:OBLIG: Imagine a beowolf... by Casca · · Score: 1

      Or just plug a USB wireless adapter into it and chuck the linksys...

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    8. Re:OBLIG: Imagine a beowolf... by oblivionboy · · Score: 1

      Or just get rid of the kids... :) .o.

    9. Re:OBLIG: Imagine a beowolf... by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      Or, you know, you could use USB extension cables.

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    10. Re:OBLIG: Imagine a beowolf... by caseih · · Score: 1

      nope. Doesn't work. I have enough space on the disk (as it were) for dansguardian, but 32 MB of RAM is not enough. chokes and dies loading cnn.com. Apps run fine from a mounted share, though, other than that.

    11. Re:OBLIG: Imagine a beowolf... by caseih · · Score: 1

      Good idea if the cost was low enough. Up until now, that's the big issue. No USB computer key thing can approach the low cost of the linksys. If only they made a linux-based router for under $100 that had expandable RAM (or hard-wired 256 MB or somethinng), and a bit more flash with USB, we'd all be set.

    12. Re:OBLIG: Imagine a beowolf... by chuckymonkey · · Score: 1

      That's good to know, thank you.

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  8. network analysis tool? by apodyopsis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With Ethernet on one end, USB2 on the other and stacks of ARM9 power?

    I bet that security researchers turn it into some kind of network analysis tool before I can say "whippit".

    And then the hackers get their hands on it.....

    I bet your there are waaay more uses for a sexy little gizmo like this then the manufacturers realize.

    1. Re:network analysis tool? by FauxReal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd like to see one with ethernet jacks on both ends... then it could be an inline analysis tool.

    2. Re:network analysis tool? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      It has Two USB host ports so you could add two USB Network adapters to it.
      Or you could put a USB network adapter and a USB wifi adapter.
      Or you could put a USB network adapter and USB bluetooth adapter.
      Or you cuuld put a USB network adapter and a USB drive for logging.
      Yep you could use it as an inline analysis tool with no problem.

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    3. Re:network analysis tool? by chill · · Score: 1

      Gumstix Connex with a netDUO-MMC and you're in business. 64 Mb RAM, bluetooth, dual-Ethernet, MMC slot for storage, 400 MHz -(Intel XScale® PXA255).

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  9. but does it run... by saleenS281 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Opensolaris? No... seriously, does it?

    1. Re:but does it run... by zergl · · Score: 2, Informative

      Assuming your question was seriously serious:

      I can't see how it does, considering there's no Opensolaris for ARM that I know of.

    2. Re:but does it run... by jgeeky · · Score: 1

      Hmmm...possible. It would definitely run NetBSD, and possibly make the greatest daughter card ever to the NetBSD Toaster

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    3. Re:but does it run... by saleenS281 · · Score: 1

      ahh, didn't see the ARM, I thought it was powerPC based. There are rumblings of an ARM port in the future, but you are correct in that it has not been done yet.

  10. Coming soon by pestilence669 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These guys have inherited the old BlackDog & K9 platforms. Rather than ARM, it uses a PowerPC core. New models coming soon:
    http://echoidentity.com/

    1. Re:Coming soon by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I rather like my BlackDog box. It took a bit of effort to get it to work reliably on Ubuntu, but it works on Windows like a champ. I still haven't gotten it to work on a Mac though.

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    2. Re:Coming soon by pestilence669 · · Score: 1

      Try the XDog project on the dog pound. I wrote it, so I know it works.

    3. Re:Coming soon by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

      Sadly, they are too ashamed to publish the pricing, one has to assume the proposed solutions are economically infeasible.
      Literally, nothing to see here.

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  11. beowulf posters take note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is a right way, and a wrong way to do a beowulf post.

    First of all, you do not put the word "imagine", or "beowulf" in the subject line. Your subject line MUST pertain directly to the subject at hand. In this case, the subject is a USB key computer that runs LINUX. It is also important to use the word "these" instead of the word "those".

    I have taken the opportunity to display a properly formatted beowulf post, conveniently reproduced below:

    Subject: USB Key form factor computer

    Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!

    1. Re:beowulf posters take note by sootman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Imagine swallowing a beowulf cluster of these!

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  12. Israeli companies have been making them for years by Organic+User · · Score: 5, Informative

    Many Israeli companies have been making computer-on-a-stick for quiet a while now. For example, Yoggie has been making some running linux to be used for security applications. I pick up a regular computer-on-a-stick for about $40USD 3 years ago in Tel Aviv.

  13. firewall? duh? by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 4, Funny

    "With a 10/100 Ethernet port, firewall usage springs to mind."

    Maybe if you're retarded. How effective is a 190 MHz computer with a single 10/100 interface?

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  14. USB Key form factor computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!

    1. Re:USB Key form factor computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good boy.
      Here, take a biscuit.

  15. Re:Israeli companies have been making them for yea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linked here a few weeks ago...

  16. a couple things I wonder by MoxFulder · · Score: 1

    (a) How much will it cost? If it's cheap, I want one!!!
    (b) This is darn similar to the recently announced Yoggie Pico, which is only $40--though the Pico doesn't have USB host capability or ethernet (but could probably be hacked to provide such :-))

    1. Re:a couple things I wonder by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Informative

      How is it $40? "The Yoggie Pico is available now, priced at $180 with a year's subscription to updates, according to the company. Subscriptions will cost $30/year thereafter."

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    2. Re:a couple things I wonder by MoxFulder · · Score: 1

      My bad, I've no idea where I got that price from.

      On the other hand, when I want a cheap and versatile embedded system, I just get a wireless router! I bought a discontinued model of NETGEAR wireless router with 32 MiB of SDRAM, 16 MiB of flash, USB 2.0, and a 200 MHz MIPS processor for about $30. Lots of fun to play around with!!

    3. Re:a couple things I wonder by mustafap · · Score: 1

      Well said. It would save on recycling costs too.

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  17. Hardhack? by Telvin_3d · · Score: 3, Funny

    After seeing this and a few other things tagged with 'hardhack' I decided to find out just what a 'hardhack' is. Turns out that it's a shrub http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardhack. Who knew?

    1. Re:Hardhack? by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 1

      hardhack == hardware hack

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    2. Re:Hardhack? by Dial-Up · · Score: 4, Funny

      Psh. How hard could a shrub be to hack? It's a kind of dirty, but with a little digging, you can easily get root.

    3. Re:Hardhack? by McGiraf · · Score: 1

      shrubberies!

  18. Re:firewall? duh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I'd imagine it would be possible to make it at least desktop firewall by using the USB ports to connect the device to a workstation; making the device more of a USB network card with an integrated firewall.

  19. Re:firewall? duh? by another_fanboy · · Score: 1

    If you connect a few together through usb you would have more ethernet ports. Also, you could use it as a usb network adapter with a built-in firewall.

  20. Re:firewall? duh? by spectro · · Score: 1

    easy, put vmware server or xen on it and add several virtual network cards... oh wait

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  21. Google for "one nic nat" by ahfoo · · Score: 1

    It can be done. Good luck doing rule based routing with tk though.

    Anyhow, I was checking this out when it came out on Linux Devices the other day and it's intriguing but it's still more of an embedded device and they don't give you much access to the IO without an additional module that sort of detracts from the small form factor sexiness. I'd like to see something like a DIY Arduino type board based on the chip though.

  22. Where by HWguy · · Score: 1

    Hey Organic User, where did you find them in Tel Aviv? I have friends who live there and I would love to find some embedded linux platforms for less than what gumstix charges.

  23. A few more (less legal) appliactions come to mind by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see. A computer that can easily be hidden inside your pocket. With a network interface.

    All you need now is a UPS uniform and a target.

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  24. That's really cool, but by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

    what versions of Windows will it run?

  25. Re:firewall? 802.11q. by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

    Assuming your switch supports it, you could use 802.11q packet tagging and vlans.

  26. Swiss Army Key? by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 1

    Never mind what OS it runs. What I want to know is if it will include a bottle opener and corkscrew.

    A man's gotta have his priorities.

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  27. That's right, a Linux computer in a USB drive by suitepotato · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and all you need to use it is another computer to plug it into. (insert giant rolling eyes emoticon here) The Linux world still isn't getting it... Here's your chance to start working on the other stuff like the projection keyboard, 3D sensor for hand movements and gestures, voice recognition, and heads-up displays. Wait, that's all hardware techie stuff and works with Windows as well as Linux. Which means in the next ten years we'll be getting /. stories about how Windows (Whatever) based pocket computers with all of the above are now being made to run Linux.

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    1. Re:That's right, a Linux computer in a USB drive by iggymanz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Linux is already being used in tons of embedded and monitor/control applications, what are you talking about?

    2. Re:That's right, a Linux computer in a USB drive by owlstead · · Score: 1

      "and all you need to use it is another computer to plug it into."

      Or a router with USB, hell, a television set with USB. You could probably also use the USB port just to power the device. So then you would have a mini PC with a network interface.

    3. Re:That's right, a Linux computer in a USB drive by PMBjornerud · · Score: 1

      and all you need to use it is another computer to plug it into. Or a router with built-in USB port.

      Or an... alarm clock, maybe?

      Or a few penlight-batteries?

      Can't really think of a use for the latter, except for taking your servers with you when going camping.
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    4. Re:That's right, a Linux computer in a USB drive by imroy · · Score: 1

      The Linux world still isn't getting it...

      Just what is the Linux world? Are you referring to Linux developers? Users? Supporters?

      This is just a company making a product that just happens to run Linux. Stupid troll.

    5. Re:That's right, a Linux computer in a USB drive by hengdx · · Score: 1

      For USB pocket PC, I have one myself. I installed Dam Small Linux (DSL) into my usb dongle and it runs all applications perfectly wherever i am, cybercafe, office, home. The complicated part is that you will need to find a bios that supports usb boot-up then you can boot into DSL from your usb stick. I am using a usb dongle now which runs on DSL and i am able to access openoffice, thunderbird, firefox, gimp, etc. In addition, my usb dongle has fingerprint protection which runs independently so it just secure my files/folders/data running on DSL. DSL: www.damnsmalllinux.org Dongle: www.bioslimdisk.com

  28. Re:firewall? duh? by dave420 · · Score: 1

    You seem to be confusing physical and logical networks...

  29. nice office ! by BokLM · · Score: 1

    At least, the picture of their office is nice !

    I'd like to be able to see a mountain like that when looking at the window.

    1. Re:nice office ! by veganboyjosh · · Score: 1

      I'd like to be able to see a mountain like that when looking at the window.

      Hey, you can! you just need one of these.

    2. Re:nice office ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Window? You get a window?! At work?!!

      Are you hiring?

    3. Re:nice office ! by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      I'd like to have a window.

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  30. Re:Israeli companies have been making them for yea by BosstonesOwn · · Score: 1

    The cheapest on the site is $180. I don't see cheaper yet.

    If this thing has a usb connection , they will have my money. I will buy at least 4. Plug them into a usb hub and run the usb cord to a rs232 serial adapter and I have myself an easy little terminal server , with enough pop to help me upgrade firmware from across the country. And no need to buy a sun ILOM equipped box.

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  31. More Realistically by B1ackDragon · · Score: 1

    I'm afraid I don't know much about small form factor computers, so bear with me on this one...

    Does anyone know if I'd be able to connect a USB hard drive and a USB soundcard and run musicpd on it? I just had to replace my MPD box with a big, ugly, old, but 10 dollar, dell. I really wouldn't mind a small quiet solution.

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    1. Re:More Realistically by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

      > Does anyone know if I'd be able to connect a USB hard drive and a USB soundcard and run musicpd on it?

      Probabaly not. Yes it has the plugs to connect a USB hdd and a USB sound device, and yes you could get power in through the USB plug fairly easy. But this device is clocked a wee bit slow (and has no FPU) to make OGG or FLAC playback very likely. Don't know about AAC. MP3 would probably be good to go though.

      You need to climb the power curve just a wee bit. Go take a look at what gumstix.com has to offer. They can set you up wuth a wee little thing that clocks at up to 600Mhz and can attach a stereo audio output directly. It still doesn't have floating point but at up to 600Mhz and enough ram to waste on optimization out the wazoo you can probably power your way through OGG/FLAC/AAC anyway.

      Although I do like the idea of this new device. Just need to think of a job it can handle.

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    2. Re:More Realistically by commanderfoxtrot · · Score: 1

      Back in the days, before modern machines became quieter, I used to rewire my PC fans to reduce the noise. Google for "fan 7 volt" - basically, if you ground the fan to 5V, the noise is reduced by 80% while airflow is reduced by 20%. I made those numbers up, but you get the idea.

      I also used nflushd (probably kflushd these days) to spin down the hard disk.

      I ended up with a silent P90 in the back of my car.

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  32. How about as a USB network? by lrohrer · · Score: 1

    With both a host and client USB port would not this device work as a bridge between two USB hosts? How about a Quick and dirty USB network?

    The other thought is to attach it to a portable (cheap) picture viewer that reads a usb flash drive, and download "newspaper" like material... I need something to read PDF's on the go.

  33. Fireball. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Put this in a car as the on-board computer"

    Just as long as it doesn't control anything important.

  34. How much though. by jshriverWVU · · Score: 1

    I've been wanting to buy an SBC for some time now, but they are very high. Why buy and SBC when I can get a microATX for a lot cheaper and still be somewhat small.

  35. Re:firewall? duh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could build a beowulf cluster of these and build a multi-port firewall...

  36. Unbelievable. by 2names · · Score: 1

    You just made the top of my "all time funniest posts ever" list.
    Seriously, THAT was hilarious!

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  37. A Linux Computer on a bootable USB disk? by Insipid+Trunculance · · Score: 1

    Is it possible to have a computer on a 2 GB USB key?I move a lot and i dont want to carry a laptop for my personal use. The main reason i want a usb computer is to use the internet and avoid having to carry /remember a load of logins/Passwords and have my browser set just so.I wondered if i could have something like ubuntu's live CD but with my tweaks and modifications.

    So the questions i have are this:

    Do most modern BIOS support USB booting?

    Is it possible to fit one on a key that size?

    Which Linux should i install?

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    1. Re:A Linux Computer on a bootable USB disk? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Saw one at a trade show a couple years back - using one of the dime-sized disks for memory.

      Appears as a drive to the system and launches a full-screen window displaying its own X server's screen buffer when plugged in (to a Windows, BSD, or Linux box).

      Has enough power storage in a capacitor to automatically save state when suddenly unplugged - so you can just pull it out, take it somewhere else, plug it into another box (perhaps with a different underlying op system), and pick up right where you left off (cursor position, keystroke, and all).

      Was intended to be licensed to manufacturers and to sell for $100 for kids to carry between school, library, and home. I think they eventually got a model to market for $125 with a flash drive.

      Don't recall the name right now (a somewhat simian word) but there have been a number of stories about it on Slashdot.

      The one in THIS article isn't it. Doesn't seem to have any mass storage onboard.

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    2. Re:A Linux Computer on a bootable USB disk? by BungaDunga · · Score: 1

      http://puppylinux.com/

      Teeny tiny, will fit on a 128mb key.

      I don't know what percentage of computers will boot USB drives. You can convince most any computer to boot from a floppy, and puppy linux has a floppy image you can use that'll make it boot off usb.

      Alternatively you can just burn a multisession CD-R of Puppy, make your changes and Puppy will burn them as a new track. Very cool option, but you need to be at a computer with a burner to save. A CD will fill up eventually, as you can't actually delete anything unless it's a CD-RW. Well, you can delete things so they don't show up, but they're still there on previous tracks.

    3. Re:A Linux Computer on a bootable USB disk? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      Why not just put a VM image on a USB keychain? You can get 8GB USB drives pretty cheaply now, which is enough for a reasonable OS install. Reserve 1GB for suspend state, and just suspend the VM on one machine and resume it on the other.

      Another option is to use something like Knoppix with the union mount stuff, so you boot from the Knoppix DVD and then just store the deltas on the USB drive, although this will save less state between migrations.

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    4. Re:A Linux Computer on a bootable USB disk? by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Just for browsing? A hole OS? What about portable applications? The only problem with portable Firefox is that for some reason you cannot use two instances of Firefox at the same time, but otherwise...

    5. Re:A Linux Computer on a bootable USB disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    6. Re:A Linux Computer on a bootable USB disk? by rapidweather · · Score: 1

      I do have this setup, been tested with a 2 GB USB drive, but requires an older computer that has a USB port, and a small hard drive with MSDOS or Windows 3.1, 95 or 98 on it. Works well with 128 MB of RAM, and a 266 MHZ or better processor. None of those computers can boot directly from a USB drive, so we have to have a MSDOS and loadlin setup with a selection menu that comes up, started from the C:\autoexec.bat file.
      You can carry the USB drive around with you, and plug it into a specially prepared computer, and you have linux. (See screenshots, below) For starters, you get Mozilla Firefox 2.0.0.4, Opera and Flock for web browsers. Details are in the Getting Started Guide.
      The files you need for the computer are here.
      There is a Readme packaged in the tarball.

      Also, you will need a copy of the CD, obtainable here.

      Rapidweather

    7. Re:A Linux Computer on a bootable USB disk? by dysfunct · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you mean the BlackDog Personal Server?

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    8. Re:A Linux Computer on a bootable USB disk? by EightMillion · · Score: 1

      I came across this just yesterday. I think it may be just what you're looking for. It's a collection of scripts to turn your own personal linux installation into a live cd or usb boot disk. Pretty cool stuff. Hope this helps. Good luck!

      http://www.linux-live.org/

    9. Re:A Linux Computer on a bootable USB disk? by Naomaru · · Score: 1

      > avoid having to carry /remember a load of logins/Passwords

      You can achieve this by storing your logins/passwords with KeePass for J2ME, too.
      http://sourceforge.net/projects/keepassj2me/

    10. Re:A Linux Computer on a bootable USB disk? by IckySplat · · Score: 1

      Most modern PC's and laptops will boot from a USB key.
      If you Buy a 1G+ USB key and copy over the Knoppix CD's bit's n Pieces
      you can then boot the stick using the ISOLINUX toolset and have room
      left over for a $HOME.

      I bought a 4GB stick and was hoping to get the DVD version on it but
      I was like 20MB short :(

      Still it's a great way to carry round your entire environment with you
      3GB is enough for a few docs and most of my e-mail :)

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  38. Re:firewall? duh? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    Use Ethernet over USB, so the device is used like a USB network card, sitting between you and the network, perhaps?

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  39. Re:firewall? duh? by smaddox · · Score: 1

    Exactly what I was thinking. However, if you use the USB ports you could daisy chain these, allowing as many connections as you would like. Unfortunately, the total throughput would be limited to 480 Mbit/s.

    The first application I though of would be for unobtrusive debugging/profiling, without the need for a whole separate computer (great for laptop use). The data gathering software could be fairly easily written to run on the dongle.

    Other than that, diagnostics and security are the only applications I can think of.

  40. Unbelievable is right by p3d0 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    You are truly a nerd among nerds.

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  41. This isn't new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any one ever heard of gumstix? http://www.gumstix.com

  42. For... research... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pre-load this with a rootkit, seeing as how the average computer user don't know more than where to find the Internet Explorer icon and have to call tech support to create a folder this means that all your little logs and upgrades to your rootkit have a safe haven to process any data that it captures and can store it temporarily until it is ready to zip out through the internet connection, it will also survive a reformat.

    But then again... you could just install the software manually, since you are doing this as research on computers that you have the right to do this on... right?

  43. Re:firewall? 802.11q. by psmears · · Score: 1

    Assuming your switch supports it, you could use 802.11q packet tagging and vlans. Got there before me! Though I think you mean 802.1Q. Someone else suggested connecting this thing to a Linksys WRT54G* router as a "network processor". The switch built into the WRT units supports 802.1Q, so the single ethernet interface would not be a problem.
  44. Interesting by 2names · · Score: 3, Funny
    C'mon, you didn't find that funny? ARM...get it? ARM? Anyone?

    Is this thing on? [tap tap]

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    1. Re:Interesting by DaveEckels · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, that was funny. Snort-cola-out-the-node funny.

  45. Read pdfs was : Re:How about as a USB network? by Memetic · · Score: 1

    I need something to read PDF's on the go. Hey if you added wifi,a GSM/GPRS/3G modem, a keyboard, a bettery a screen you could make it connect to the internet, make phone calls and stuff as well as be pdf viewer!

    Oh wait a minute, that's been done.
  46. absolutely by mckwant · · Score: 1

    check out damnsmalllinux. You can set a single usb memory stick to both boot off the stick or run (in emulation) in either Linux or Windows. You can customize it to run all sorts of packages. Running in emulation isn't speedy, but it gets the job done (eventually).

    It's pretty sweet.

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  47. Something like this would truly ROCK in: by NeuroManson · · Score: 1

    A Beowulf cluster! Seriously, set it up to communicate over the USB-2 protocol, then just plug it into a hub with as many of these as you can. Then that's plugged into a hub, that's set up the same way, and so on and so forth. Low cooling costs, and you could hypothetically build one in a standard desktop case with room to spare.

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    1. Re:Something like this would truly ROCK in: by NeuroManson · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Sorry, me just read through comments, me just wake up on wrong side of rock in cave. Brontosaurus need walking, me poop scoop so cro magnon neighbors not bitch, but they bitch anyway, call me unibrow, what that is. Me in bad mood now because me make stupid post. Stupid stupid post.

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  48. Re:Firewall/iPhone by ancientt · · Score: 1

    I think he might mean that he would like to see if he can integrate a modified iPhone as a front end to this as the back end or develoment server (in relationship.)

    I hope that is what he means. I am really curious to see somebody put BSD or Linux on an iPhone, heck I'd chuck $5 to that project if I could find someone with a good track record. Anybody planning to purchase $500 worth of "pretty" and then replace the OS?

    I think it would be awesome to have a server/client system with a stick like this and a modded iPhone. Maybe you could put a demo webserver on the gumstick and use the iPhone as the client, try different servers when you're pitching a development contract... I dunno, I dont care why you do it, just as long as somebody does it.

    iBeowulf anyone?

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  49. That's a filter. by twitter · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see one with ethernet jacks on both ends... then it could be an inline analysis tool.

    Analysis is better done with a tap than a pass though. Why waste processor time duplicating packets when you could spend time analyzing, storing and reporting the results from a tap? You only need a tap to listen.

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  50. Who needs video? by twitter · · Score: 1

    All the power of a WinCE or Palm in a tiny little board. They are missing USB hosting and video for the complete package.

    All the power of Palm and then some. With 64MB RAM, you can easily run X and forward your programs to yourself from the device if you want images. It would be better to use the device as a data collector and make graphs on your laptop from the results.

    As for a Beowulf cluster, if the power to flops ratio is good that can work.

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  51. Re:firewall? duh? by Adam+Hazzlebank · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's already been done: http://www.yoggie.com/

  52. Re:firewall? 802.11q. by MattBurke · · Score: 1

    I'm thinking it'd make a fantastic low-power transparent 50Mbit (remember the slow CPU) firewall if not for the lack of memory for state tables.

  53. Re:firewall? duh? by phorm · · Score: 1

    We used to do it a fair bit where I used to work. One machine functions as a DHCP server and NAT gateway. Since DHCP tells the computer to connect through the NAT box, all connections go in - and out - the same NIC.

  54. Actually could really be useful by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
    Imagine a laptop case stuffed with these! You'd essentially have a scalable beowulf in a laptop. If you're only doing simple processing then you'd just have to fire up one or two. Gamimg or compiling: fire up more.

    Better yet, you could buty the processing in modules and plug in as many as you need/can afford.

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  55. Re:firewall? duh? by PMBjornerud · · Score: 1

    Yes, I was thinking of the USB & Network combo, for lightweight, single-computer use. As opposed to the USB firewall posted some week ago that relied on redirecting all network traffic through the USB.

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  56. Honestly...ARMchairs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vista is running on the Ballmer 2000. The best chair throwing machine ever created.

  57. I for one... by Ivan+Pistoff · · Score: 1

    Welcome our new USB Beowulf Overlords!

  58. Full Circle? by Plekto · · Score: 1

    Of course, this will eventually lead us, interestingly enough, full circle, back to a dumb terminal on our desk. You sit down at the LCD screen and plug your computer into the USB/Firewire/etc(whatever they develop next) port. And then take it with you when you are done. They already have software that does this(Mojopac and others), but moving it all to hardware would be much better. The I/O port on it could handle the wireless adaptor to hook into the hotspot, of course.

  59. Secure Crypto Storage? by Grail · · Score: 1

    So I wonder if a device like this will eventually become the standard to replace smart cards, fingerprint readers, etc. Store your crypto material on this device, and present a crypto API via the USB port. No longer will you need to shuffle sensitive crypto material around on your desktop box very carefully lest it be written to swap in cleartext.

    Now all you need is that alpha source and a USB Gieger counter...

  60. Cheap NAS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps this can be used to create a cheap and not-so-power-hungry NAS?

  61. Yawn by bandmassa · · Score: 1

    Wake me up when I can stick 10 of them in my ear, still hear, use speech recognition and voice synth to interface, and be on wireless ultrabroadband at a carrier frequency the won't give me head cancer... That will be cool.

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  62. Re:firewall? duh? by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You realize that USB is the most CPU-intensive bus around?

    You would be better off assigning two IP addresses to two aliases on the device and using the one ethernet jack.

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  63. Re:firewall? duh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was enough to surf the web with before all websites came with 30 minute flash intros.

    If they'd take the flash stuff off web sites you could use this for web surfing, text-based chat, voip, basic email, the occasional simple letter/word processing, ordering off Amazon and listening to a few mp3s and save a lot of electricity for those who don't have an interest in games or all the various more dubious web-based activities. I would bet that most people would be happy with something that did those 7 basic functions.

    Let's face it, a lot of phones can do these things now, it is just that with a tiny screen and no keyboard it's like painting a house with a brush pushed through the letterbox. With some PDA-phones you can get enough peripherals to connect to video, wifi, keyboard, etc and have the computing power of a laptop from 2000 which would be enough for many. In fact not being able to run 3D games could be seen as an advantage to parents wanting to get their brats, I mean little darlings, outside to get some fresh air and exercise.

  64. easy solution ! by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    cluster up two of them ;)

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