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Aussies Sue Over Misleading Google Ads
eldavojohn writes "Google is the target of another lawsuit — this time over whether or not they are responsible for the content that advertisers put up on their site. The case involves an instance where Google displayed ads for two automotive dealerships in Australia, yet the links led users to the site of a commercial rival. The company that placed the ads in 2005 avoided a lawsuit by settling with Australian regulators, who are now going after Google for not policing the ads. If this suit holds up it will set a precedent for very heavy ad monitoring responsibility on the part of all search engines, not just Google."
Perhaps the company placing the ads of a rival should be sued for false advertising.
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I mean, I'm not one to say "oh the poor multibillion dollar company", but this is bordering on ridiculous: Is Google really that evil or are the 5 or so lawsuits I've been hearing about in just 2 weeks against them maybe a bit much?
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I am not a Google fanboi but this lawsuit is BS. Google cannot police the content of the ads. It is just a medium - akin to a billboard or a newspaper.
How many times have we seen informercials on TV and the web promising extraordinary "male enhancement"? My wife keeps pointing me to them all the time (I guess she is telling me something).
Anyways, they never work. They are all bogus but I have never been able to bring lawsuits against the TV stations or the websites.
I can sue the advertiser not the medium.
Just yesterday my wife was referred by a friend to a particular carpet cleaner, and when she searched for it online she got several ads with that company's name but they took her to different sites.
I was wondering if it would do any good to complain to Google or whether this is considered fair business practice. I thought of even letting the carpet cleaning company know what was happening, but since they did not even seem to have a website to begin with I doubt they would have even known what I was talking about.
Not that it isn't a good idea for all countries to pursue, but Australia's actions don't automatically effect the rest of the world
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The Aussies are just pissed off because they didn't read the advertiser's fine print that stated "Results not typical. Not all users will experience the same gain in length or width. Some users may not notice any change at all."
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If a society is interested in remaining healthy and prosperous, groups going after innocent parties like this need to be outright censored (if private) or disbanded (if governmental) or completely overhauled with the top people fired. They are actively doing more harm than good and should be treated like the social cancers they are.
I had a similar experience recently. I was looking for a utility to restore an accidentally deleted file so I searched Google for "windows freeware undelete". The first result displayed was an AdWords listing entitled "Windows Undelete Freeware". I clicked it and looked all over the site but the company offered only paid undelete services.
I emailed the company and told them I found this misleading and they were very nice about it, saying they did not want to be accused of bait-and-switch and would contact their marketing department about this. I don't expect all companies to be so honest.
This could be good if it means web sites and advertising suppliers become responsible for the veracity of their advertisers. Most advertisers already function as a type of censor, not willing to represent viewpoints in opposition to the status quo (for instance when was the last time you saw a TV or banner ad advocating marijuana legalization, paper trails at voting machines, or encouraging people to go out and protest at the local park?) Instead of making moral judgements maybe they could make factual ones instead.
I'm a yank and dont know about Aus law. maybe I'm assuming free speech that does not exist there. It shouldnt be a big deal to ask people to evrify the facts before they represent someone.
PS-if you're found guilty of a crime in Australia do they ship you off ot the UK?
It'd be like expecting Slashdot 'editors' to actually read the linked articles before posting the stories. Where would that kind of madness end?
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
ha! So you're suggesting that this should only be allowed in the US where prisoners can sue for mistreatment.
"Or they just put a note that they are not responsible for it, and put it in the agreement with the advertiser that the advertiser is responsible."
Clearly they shouldn't be.
If I purchase an ad in a newspaper would the newspaper be liable if I used a competitors name? Does the newspaper have to personaly verify every address and phone number to ensure I am using only my information?
What if I visit a printing company and have scam flyers printed up. Is it up to the printing company to verify?
Just because something happens on the internet doesn't mean it's different from any other media in regards to issues like this.
the second part states that Google's entire business model of placing advertising in the first 3 slots of any search result -yet making it so subtly seperated that most people are unaware that those results are paid for- constitutes deceptive trade practices. lets face it folks, even if you go to google's own FAQ section on how to make more money with adsense, 100% of the methods they tell webmasters to use are basically "blend in the colors and the font so that the ads look exactly like the rest of your page. this blending makes users happy and more likely to click on your ads! we promise it's not because you're tricking them, its just because you are making your page look more elegant" BULL FUCKING SHIT. Do you guys remember back in the late 1990s when the big moral debate at the time was whether or not search engines should start selling placement in their search results to the highest bidder? back then there was a huge uproar because people rightly said that would be deceptive. yet now, every search engine in the world DOES sell placement, because for the overwhelming majority of internet users, people simply cannot distinguish a text ad from an organic result. there was a BBC study about 12 months ago that showed that less than 12 percent of randomly sampled internet users could "spot the ads" on a google or yahoo search. this lawsuit, besides saying it is illegal to let people trick users with trademarked keyword ads, also says that the entire PLACEMENT and SEPERATION of google's ads on their search page is deceptive. jesus christ, just go to webmasterworld for a while and read the posts.. 99% of what they discuss is how to "blend" ads to make users more likely to be tricked into clicking on them. and the sad part? this "trick" is the entire financial basis for every web 2.0 company out there. Google's text ads aren't a smash hit because they are "relevant", they are a smash hit because text ads look just like hyperlinks and people don't even recognize them as ads! if your father recommends a good car dealership he's dealt with for decades, you would give that recommendation more weight than if a car salesman in a cheap flashy suit walked up to you on the sidewalk and told you he sold great cars, right? banner ads = the cheap flashy suit salesman. text ads = you think it's just part of an unbiased website, giving you helpful advice, and you have no idea the advice was paid for. in NY and other major cities, premium liquor manufacturers pay actors/models to go around to all the hottest clubs and conspicuously order drinks made with the manufacturer's booze, and then even tell people around them how great it tastes, etc etc.. is this really what we want the web to become?
It is called "fraud". False advertising is addressed in laws in every state or country, so it is a good thing they are taken to task over this.
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If the newspaper is notified by Nike that you have been placing advertisements for fake Nike shoes in their newspaper for months, and they refuse to take down the advertising, then yes the newspaper is complicit.
Do you realize that over 70% of the keywords bought on Google and Yahoo and MSN are for copyrighted words?
Take away the ability to mislead web surfers and you've just pulled out one of the main financial pillars of the web 2.0 economy.
The newspaper would be held responsible if it contained porn...
There is usually an editorial policy in place. It has been awhile since I used Google Adwords, but I believe they did have a policy against using trademarked company names for example. They had an automated system that would scan for trademarked names, forbidden words ("online poker"), and that type stuff, then it had to undergo review by a real person.
A good question is if you were to complain, would Google respond or just blow you off.
I came across a fraudelant ad on Ebay several times over the years where somebody hijacked an account with good feedback and was trying to scam somebody into sending them money ($25K in one case), and everytime I reported this I got some form response back saying that the ad did not appear to violate their terms of service or something to that effect.
google was making TONS of money selling ads that appeared whenever anyone typed in Louis Vuitton. There are hundreds of pirate manufacturers selling fake Louis Vuitton purses, and they were making a mint on Google.
Louis Vuitton sued Google, and Google lost. Badly.
This case is a rehash of that concept, except they have also gone a step further and claimed that Google's entire business model of displaying several paid results before the organic search results is misleading too- since they use the exact same font/size/format.. Do you think your parents or a newbie online knows that the tiny "ads by google" waaaaay over on the right hand side of the screen means that any link to the left of it for 5 inches is a paid ad?
No. They dont. People (not slashdot crowd) think that the first results are the "best" results. They have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA those are ads. None. The BBC did a study last year that showed 12 percent or less of a random sampling of web surfers could point out where the advertisements where on a typical search result page.
That folks, is why this suit is really scaring Google. Hell- even a national news story that mentioned in black and white "Hey guys, you see all this stuff on the right hand side of the screen, and on the top? Those are all paid advertisements, even though they dont look like it" could kill the whole scam.
Google has made a business model out of buying the commercial television time right after the evening's national news show, and hiring a look-alike model with a copycat set to run a second newscast, except pitching paid advertisements. Sure, a very few people might realize that it isn't the real news, but enough people will be fooled that they'll make shitloads of money.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that Google adwords editorial people are supposed to visit the website linked to from the ad and ensure that it satisfies their editorial policy as well. Ads can get rejected if the linked to page does not have enough original content for example.
This goes back to if Google is allowing ads to link to competitors, is this condoned or do their editors suck?
Ad agencies like Google are going to have to address this. The law on this varies by country, but given that Google regulates the style, content, and format of ads, then charges for them, they're clearly not just a passive conduit. More significantly, Google acts as an ad agency when it places ads on the web sites of others. It determines where, when, and how often the ad runs. That's acting as an ad agency. Ad agencies are routinely held liable in false advertising lawsuits. Sites on which Google ads run probably qualify for a safe harbor, but Google, acting as an ad agency placing ads on the sites of others, does not.
It's not clear how much liability an Internet ad agency has for content, but failure to take basic steps to identify the advertiser running the ad looks like negligence.
Here's a summary of US false advertising federal law. "The FTC can pursue the advertiser, its agency, and their employees. It can fine, and enjoin, them. If the advertiser or agency is a subsidiary of another company, the FTC can go after the parent. The FTC can even impose liability for false advertising on a merged successor."
Similar principles prevail in Australian law. "The Commission does not necessarily expect (advertising) agencies to independently check the technical claims made about a product, but if they are complicit in an obviously misleading presentation, and fine print is used to obscure an offer's restrictions, then difficulties start to arise."
Wait a minute. When did they start giving copyrights for individual words? That's gonna make writing ANYTHING kinda tricky. I get a picture in my head of a lawyers version of the "Knights of Nee". Can I get the copyright for "the"?.
Who is John Galt?
Right, after all, a newspaper isn't responsible for people who place misleading classified ads. Google is an advertising carrier, not an advertiser... just like in any advertising case, you don't sue channel 6 because the car dealership put an advert out with a bait and switch photograph on it... it's the person who actually makes the ad that's the culprit. I love how nobody in the world is ACTUALLY responsible for their own actions anymore.
Speak for yourself.
"If I purchase an ad in a newspaper would the newspaper be liable if I used a competitors name?"
Actually, yes. A publisher/editor is liable for all the content that appears in the newspaper. (I'm assuming of course, that you're using the competitor's name in a way that is injurious to reputation.)
"Does the newspaper have to personaly verify every address and phone number to ensure I am using only my information?"
Most good news papers have their fact checkers doing EXACTLY that. Again, a publisher/editor is liable for all the content that appears in the newspaper.
"What if I visit a printing company and have scam flyers printed up. Is it up to the printing company to verify?"
No, because unlike the newspaper, the printing company does not -distribute- the flyers. You could print scam stuff till you're blue in the face, you are just not allowed to distribute it.
-- Brian Boyko
-- Former Associate Editor, Daily Texan Newspaper, Austin, TX.
-- M.A. Journalism, University of Texas.
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I am running an add on google.pl targeting the word blog. The first two ads are for blogger, a service owned by google. While the disclaimer states - sponsored links - I guess google is not paying itself. Or is it? So it is just a way of moving their own service to the top of the search results.
so why don't people sue tv stations for showing misleading commercials?
The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
Whenever I bring up the BBC study showing that only 12 percent of a randomly selected population in a study 12 months ago were able to "spot the ads" when shown a search engine result page, I always get people chiming in saying "well it's obvious to me what are ads, if you can't tell the difference then that's your own fault"
Even when I say 100 times that the ads are not targeted at slashdot or computer savvy people- they are targeted at older adults with disposable income who haven't been on the web for a decade and haven't yet learned to tune the ads out.
Even when I point out that having the tiny light gray "ads by google" 7 inches to the right of a block of ads, totally unconnected, is a bit deceitful considering as you age your vision goes and most people can't even SEE the ads by google text, much less know that it applies to hyperlinks that may be nowhere near it.. Everyone says "well, thats their own fault."
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I run an automotive performance tuning business, and use Google AdWords (with mixed success) to advertise. Google recently introduced a new feature where they recommend keywords to use based upon, I assume, traffic profiles with similar businesses.
Guess what some of the suggested adwords were?
You get a thousand points if you guessed "names of your competitors." Several obviously trademarked names showed up in their list.
I found this to be quite interesting in that Google was practically *inviting* me to use these trademarked names to drive clicks to my site.
Tempting? Yes...but in the end, not tempted enough to violate Google's own policies which prohibit this practice.
It did get me to wondering, though: Can I be held liable for false advertising or in violation of Google's TOS if I follow Google's keyword recommendations?
There is a second issue being reported and this is the issues of getting genuine search results vs. getting results from paid advertising, and googles failure to identify the paid ads clearly. In Oz if an article in a newspaper etc. is sponsored by someone like a company, then the article must state that fact.
There was an unknown error in the submission.
The first result on Google (paid result) was:
This kind of result implies that FXHome are the makers of Serious Magic, while in fact they are a competitor! (Serious Magic was bought by Adobe, btw).
This practice is unethical, to say the least.
Google is an ad agency in disguise, not a "common carrier". They check if the ad is for tobacco or gambling so they can - and should - check for illegal/unfair practices too.
Mod me down Google fanboys. See if I care.
Well said above, i'd also like to mention that the ACCC's actions here are consistent with their actions in other mediums, namely radio.
Five years or so ago the ACCC sued a famous Australian talk-back radio radio personalities for not having a clear seperation between his comments and advertising. e.g. whenever a caller rang to comment about the telephone system he would always be defending one telephone company who happebned to be a sponsor, it was considered deceptive and misleading. (search for John Laws, Cash for comments)
ACCC also said they were picking on google in the hope that it would have a flow on effect to other search engines.
What's this stuff that everyone's talking about with "ads by Google" way off the right of the search result?
Any time I search Google, I only ever get "organic" results in the main portion of the page, with a "Sponsored links" column over to the left. I've visited all the links in the main portion and they seem legit.
Can someone suggest a search term that will produce anything that looks like a sponsored link (ie: "non-organic" in the ACCC's lingo)? Perhaps the stealth ads are only visible to IE users?
Speaking as a Google Certified Adwords Professional, I'd say their editors truly suck. At least their danish ones. I've had nothing but problems on their part; last time I wrote to them about an error in their system*, their reply took a month. And was almost useless. Oooh, and had something along the lines of "We apologixe for the inconvenience. We are currently having trouble meeting our 24 hour service goal". GODSDAMNTHEM!
I'm so glad I've had most of my customers moved to a coworker so I can concentrate on my real work.
/empaler
*: If you've never had to work with the Adwords System, praise yourself lucky.
-- Brian Boyko
-- Former Associate Editor, Daily Texan Newspaper, Austin, TX.
-- M.A. Journalism, University of Texas.
You sound like a trustworthy source, mister Boyko.
If that is your real name?
I agree, Google is involved in the generation and preparation of advertising material, and has taken on a great deal of legal responsibility by doing so. However I think your assumption that Channel 6 couldn't (or wouldn't) be chased by the ACCC is false.
It is my understanding that if a corporation distributed advertising that they knew, or should reasonably have known, was false, then they would be liable under section 52 of the TPA.
e.g. If you walked down the street handing out leaflets containing misleading or deceptive information, and you knew that to be the case, then you will have engaged in conduct that is misleading or deceptive or is likely to mislead or deceive.
Luckily you're not a corporation, so the legislation would not apply to you.
Alternatively if a business was paid to put an advertising poster in their window that they knew contained misleading information, then they could be held liable, even if
- They didn't prepare the ad
- The ad wasn't for their business
Section 52 of the TPA doesn't care about who produce the advertising or whose products the advertising was for. In fact it doesn't even mention the word advertising. A corporation shall not, in trade or commerce, engage in conduct that is misleading or deceptive or is likely to mislead or deceive. That can apply to a TV station, a newspaper, a billboard owner, or any website that is engaged in trade or commerce.Read more of this story at Slashdot.Read more of this story at Slashdot.Read more of this story at Slashdot.
Not necessarily. Not every ad's target page (there are billions) will be visited by a Google employee. However, Google does have a crawler called Google Ads Bot that crawls every single target page, and then digests it, so that Google can determine if the page is a good match for the ad text & keywords or not. If it's not a good match - according to this algorithm - Google won't let the ad go through. But bear in mind that this kind of software-based figuring out if a page matches a keyword well enough is far different from verifying a Nike ad doesn't load up an anti-Nike page at Reebok. More info on Google Ads Bot.
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