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Zune DRM Cracked

An anonymous reader noted that Zune Scene is reporting that the Zune DRM has been cracked with software now available that strips the DRM from Zune Marketplace tracks and those shared with WiFi.

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  1. Microsoft is thrilled by this news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It means someone bought a Zune.

    1. Re:Microsoft is thrilled by this news by CSHARP123 · · Score: 4, Funny

      No wonder, They sold the sixth one now.

    2. Re:Microsoft is thrilled by this news by gilesjuk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, it might even increase sales, which all goes to show how DRM isn't good for hardware sales.

    3. Re:Microsoft is thrilled by this news by Divebus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow. It took this long for someone to care.

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    4. Re:Microsoft is thrilled by this news by uncoveror · · Score: 3, Funny

      A lot of people bought Zunes as gifts for kids and grandkids. Old people believe slick salesmen who say "it is the same as an iPod." Both of the kids that didn't return their Zunes and buy an iPod should be happy the DRM has been cracked.

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    5. Re:Microsoft is thrilled by this news by jelle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, it might even increase sales, which all goes to show how DRM isn't good for hardware sales.

      Since DRM is about selling the customer _less_, how is it a surprise that DRM isn't good for sales?

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    6. Re:Microsoft is thrilled by this news by Liquidrage · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Shoot. I liked mine better then the iPod's at the time it was released.

      Not really sure why anyone would total diss it other then hype/marketing/backlash/etc.. It's not like iTunes was a DRM free happy land when the Zune was launched either.
      Interface was no worse then iPOD (seriously, I'd love to see someone that has actually used both try and claim the interface sucked or was somehow worse), storage for the price point was the same, Zune had bigger screen which was a feature I wanted since I use it for carrying around photos and listening to the radio as much as MP3's.

      It was a decent product, sales have been so-so but nothing special. But it just gets too much flask IMO because it's MS and not Apple.
      Hell, apple could probably launch a $600 phone with virtually no 3rd party apps and that can't even send pictures in text messages and people would probably buy it.

    7. Re:Microsoft is thrilled by this news by Liquidrage · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I didn't say it as anything has changed.
      And seriously. You opinion on the interface was very convincing. It sucks because it sucks. What does it actually do worse.
      If you pick the thing up you can navigate through songs/albums/artists/media/etc very quickly and easily. Hence, it doesn't suck.
      Everyone's going to have a preference (though 90% of the ones I'm going to read about the zune I can rightfully dismiss as people that have no clue what their talking about). But I've yet to see the race between zune and iPod users finding music or using the device in other ways.
      Oh yeah, and the better screen. I guess the specs are arguable. But "better" in most cases is subjective. Never had a problem with my screen, and bigger is better on a device of similar size. It's easier for people to see pics of my dog/cat/wife/car/whatever on the zune then it would be on a comparable iPod. In fact, I really wanted to Zen Vision W, but it was just a tad too big to be carried around.

      But I know I know. Apple is great, MS sucks. Your statements were very thought out.

    8. Re:Microsoft is thrilled by this news by mahlerfan999 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Would a cracked Zune gush instead of squirt?

    9. Re:Microsoft is thrilled by this news by dintech · · Score: 3, Funny

      I believe that the more important question is "will it blend?"

      Fixed...

  2. At last... by darien · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is the announcement that's been so desperately needed to kickstart Zune sales...

    1. Re:At last... by rob_squared · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not to fear, just like PlaysForSure, this will be patched by next week. After all, Microsoft does care about its real customers: Shareholders and Music Industry. http://www.schneier.com/essay-126.html

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  3. And yet... by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No one cares. Breaking AACS, iTunes, or even CSS was a big (albeit inevitable) deal, but I suspect most of us just shrug this story off for one simple reason--Microsoft, with its ill-thought-out strategy of expanding into every conceivable market at once, at whim, and with no controlling strategy has made itself an irrelevant bit player in multiple markets.

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    1. Re:And yet... by AusIV · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This strikes me as somewhat different than breaking AACS, FairPlay, or CSS. If you bought something restricted by one of those formats, it's plausible you want to remove the DRM so you can play it on a platform that is technically capable of playing it, and restricted solely by the DRM. You've paid for the media, and you want to play it on another platform.


      The difference with the Zune's DRM is that it effectively allows music "rentals" through WiFi sharing. People can "squirt" each other a song then remove the DRM, effectively getting the song for free. Not much different than pirating off of p2p networks, but it does mean Microsoft has created an incredibly effective piracy device.

      For the rest, I agree. Microsoft has tried to over expand, making itself irrelevant in quite a few markets. In the process, they've half-assed their position in their original market, alienating a lot of customers. I've had several more technical friends switch to Linux, and less technical friends switch to Macs in the time since MS has started focusing more on running everything than making a solid OS. Microsoft needs to seriously reconsider their priorities if they want to avoid becoming irrelevant in all of their markets.

    2. Re:And yet... by EMeta · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "...since MS has started focusing more on running everything than making a solid OS."

      What is this magical, mystical time period you're talking about where making a solid OS was a successful MS priority? '99-'02? Hadn't they already started with the branching then? (e.g., MSN?)

    3. Re:And yet... by Virgil+Tibbs · · Score: 3, Funny

      Windows is a solid OS.
      It's so bloated and uses so much memory it would sink like a stone...

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  4. Alright! by LordKaT · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I can listen to music that I didn't buy for the media player I didn't purchase on an MP3 player that I don't possess!

    Isn't technology awesome?

    1. Re:Alright! by LordKaT · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I swear to god, it's impossible to tell a fucking joke to a geek.

    2. Re:Alright! by cmdrpaddy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Obviously, how are they supposed to know what "fucking" is?

    3. Re:Alright! by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's no geek, that's the grammar checker in MS Word.

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  5. Breach of Their Contract by blankaBrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I recall Steve Jobs claiming back in February that if iTunes Fairplay was cracked, they were under contract with the Record Labels to repair the crack within something like 24 hours. He used this as a reason why Apple couldn't license Fairplay to third-parties. Do you think M$ has a similar agreement? Maybe the Labels will have to wait until Patch Tuesday.

  6. Look here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  7. Re:Is Secure DRM Possible? by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In a word, No.

    The problem with DRM, in a nutshell, is that you ultimately have to provide the keys for accessing the content to the end user. All DRM, no matter how it's designed, is at the most basic level just security through obscurity. Since decryption keys have to be provided to the end user it's just a matter of time before one of the (potentially) millions of users worldwide manages to find those keys and figure out how to make use of them. Companies spend more and more on trying to restrict access to those keys, and now to revoke compromised keys (think AACS), but even that's a losing battle. Companies spend tons of money and some teenaged hacker in Russia still manages to crack the encryption fairly quickly. It's a no-win battle for the companies. They just haven't admitted defeat yet.

  8. It doesn't solve the problem by dalmiroy2k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We hardcore and tech savvy users usually crack, mod or unlock any device we got ours hand into (Ipods, cell phones, DVD Players, Apple TV, etc) but it doesn't solve Six pack Joe's DRM problems. He will get a Zune, won't bother or know how to crack it and play along MS and MAFIAA's rules.
    The same thing will happen with our parents and most people. The solution is buying products that are open and DRM free in the first place.

  9. Marketshare and cracking by Infonaut · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For years now we've been hearing that Mac OS X is less vulnerable to viruses and cracking because it has a far smaller marketshare than Windows. The argument is that nobody bothers with OS X because of the smaller marketshare. Although Zune DRM is being cracked for a different purpose, it does make me wonder if marketshare is much of a factor in decisions regarding which systems crackers attempt to defeat.

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    1. Re:Marketshare and cracking by MBCook · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think so. That may have been the case when 10.0 or 10.1 came out, but at this point Macs are more common. Combined with the perception of security (and the Apple ads touting such), the Mac is a very nice target. If someone was able to make a good Mac virus that didn't require security authentication or other such things, they could get a lot of press (and probably a very easy shot at a good position in computer security). I'm sure there are plenty of people trying.

      The Zune took so long because most people don't care. The average consumer doesn't care (or doesn't know that they should), and they bought an iPod anyway. The average techie (who does care) either bought an iPod, or probably doesn't buy DRMed music. Doing this is an interesting challenge, but it doesn't have the motivation behind it of cracking the DRM on the largest selling player and music store.

      The market share thing for OS X is a myth. It's not perfect, but it is more secure by design than XP (Vista was supposed to improve that, I don't know how good a job it really did, I haven't looked). The Zune just wasn't a very temping target, so this took a while.

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  10. The link to FairUse4WM for Vista and Zune by Zune-Online.com · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here are the links to the FairUse4WM :

    FileSend
    zUpload
    Files-Upload
    zShare
    QuickSharing
    SendSpace
    ShareBee

    MD5 hash 0d5eaa7f8010e1293221a320943adb7e
    Via:
    http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=127943

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  11. Nice try Microsoft by Statecraftsman · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, cracking your own DRM won't allow you to reach your Zune sales goals either.

  12. Piracy by Dr.+Zed · · Score: 5, Informative

    You miss the point. Because the Zune can network with other Zune, this now means that people have a way to pirate songs over a network.

    Oh, wait. Never mind.

    1. Re:Piracy by JonathanR · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...with other Zune The flaw in your argument...
  13. Re:Great, another set of morons. by telemart73 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yes, you are quite a "genious."

  14. oh no! by friedman101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DRM exists entirely for the protection of the RIAA, not Microsoft. This will only increase the popularity of the Zune. An mp3 player that can share files over wifi with no restrictions, sign me up. I can't see Microsoft being too proactive about locking down the DRM again.

  15. It might by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does this mean I'll be able to play my Microsoft PlaysForSure tracks on my Microsoft Zune now?

  16. Re:Beyond Me by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I guess it's the consensus around here that the Zune is a horrible piece of junk. The place I work bought some Zunes and some iPods and some other portable media players and I got a chance to take each home for a few weeks.

    I really kind of liked the Zune. To my surprise it wasnt' that ugly brown color. All my (non-DRM) music played just fine, and I even kind of liked the way the Zune sounded with a pair of the $40 JBL 210 reference ear pods. The videos played well and the interface was acceptable. Battery life was pretty good.

    I didn't try the wifi stuff, but the unit I tried compared nicely with the 30gig iPod.

    I'd never buy one myself because I make a concerted effort to avoid giving Microsoft my business, but it wasn't the horrible crap that I'd been led to believe by that group of people who only seem to post at Slashdot when the issue turns to something having to do with, or competing with, Apple. I have heard that if you look at those people out of the corner of your eye you only see a black silhouette of a dancing gen-Y'er with fake dreadlocks.

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  17. Anyone emailed them yet? by NitroWolf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Has anyone emailed the 4 people who own Zunes yet and let them know?

    I think two of them were non-techies, so they may not know.

  18. Re:Good news, if of limited use... by wkitchen · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, I did not get a brown one. The brown makes it look too much like a friggin' candy bar made out of-- well, you know.
    Chocolate?
  19. Re:Beyond Me by macdaddy357 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't know why everyone keeps bashing the Zune. I love mine! It is the perfect size to shim up that old table in my den with a short leg.

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  20. Re:Beyond Me by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    you are incorrect. It's the consensus here that the Zune is a great piece of hardware. everyone agrees it has a fantastic screen awesome power and is overall a incredible device.....

    that was turned into a turd by the software that it runs. They took the decent software inside and then shoved DRM in by the heaploads. Making it a turd.

    That makes it the horribly piece of junk.

    Once it's cracked and a 3rd party firmware can be installed to run it, I'll be buying 2 or more of them. In it's current DRM and windows Locked state, nobody wants it.

    Microsoft catered so hard to the RIAA and MPAA organized crime families that they ruined the product.

    it's like the microsoft keyboards, they are actually awesome, but nobody would own one if they refused to type words or phrases that were on a banned list.

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  21. yay by artifex2004 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'll bet Zune owners are celebrating with a circle-squirt.