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Chameleon Liquid Could Replace LCDs

InvisblePinkUnicorn writes "NewScientist reports on a color-changing liquid that could cheaply replace the color components of standard LCDs. According to researchers at UC Riverside, the liquid 'contains tiny iron oxide particles coated with plastic. It is cheap and easy to make, and could also be used in flexible, rewritable, electronic paper.' From the article: 'The opposing forces of electrostatic repulsion [in the plastic] and magnetic attraction [in the iron oxide] result in the particles arranging themselves into an ordered structure, known as a colloidal "photonic crystal". The colloidal crystal reflects light because the spacing between neighboring particles in the structure is equivalent to the wavelength of light. Also, tuning the spacing slightly alters the exact wavelength, or colour, of light that is reflected. This can easily be done by varying the strength of the magnetic field applied to the crystal.'"

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  1. Liquid Paper already exists.. by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 5, Funny

    And it's called white-out, duh!

    1. Re:Liquid Paper already exists.. by ringfinger · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dude -- You should clean the white out off your computer monitor - then you might be able to actually READ THE ARTICLE...

    2. Re:Liquid Paper already exists.. by ringfinger · · Score: 3, Informative

      Dude - I was making a joke play of the Weird Al line in All About The Pentiums -- about the newbie that had 'white-out all over your screen'. Besides, to be fair it doesn't say that paper would be made out of this liquid, just that it would provde the color/images. More likely is that this liquid would be the coating on the paper.

    3. Re:Liquid Paper already exists.. by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 4, Funny

      I didn't RTFA. I assumed that they were talking about actual chameleon liquid. I was thinking all those "Will It Blend?" experiments had finally paid off.

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    4. Re:Liquid Paper already exists.. by Manos_Of_Fate · · Score: 2, Funny

      That would be "liquid chameleon".

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  2. lets get to it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm tired of these new technologies that never make it out to the customer. Stop telling me what we could do, and do it already!

    1. Re:lets get to it by Aladrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The ones that 'never make it out' are the ones that are tragically flawed and you don't want, anyhow. Too expensive, too cancer-causing, too impossible, etc.

      On the other hand, if you don't want to know the cutting-edge tech that -might- come out soon, you are probably on the wrong site. Geeks tend to value new ideas, even if they are impractical.

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    2. Re:lets get to it by Glith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course we do. New, practical ideas don't come into existence without brainstorming through plenty of new, impractical ideas.

    3. Re:lets get to it by daskinil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree, its not that these technologies never come out either, but the upstream technologies and research often take 6-10 years to be engineered into products. So the consumer doesn't see technology thats developed today until 2015 or so.

    4. Re:lets get to it by catbutt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have you considered not reading technology sites and just going to the mall, if all you are interested in is finished products?

    5. Re:lets get to it by object88 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Too expensive, too cancer-causing, too impossible, etc.

      I hate it when my new technology crosses that painful threshold between "slightly impossible" and "too impossible".

  3. Magnets by hack++slash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I remember having fun with powerful magnets and CRTs, does this mean LCD panels made with this new liquid be susceptible to magnetic fields too?

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  4. Re:Response time? by SilentUrbanFox · · Score: 4, Informative

    Um, it's only fairly recently-ish we've had sub-6ms LCDs... it's funny you mention 8 ms because 8 ms is widely considered the "acceptable" gaming threshold, at least in my research when I was looking at buying an LCD a year ago or so. (Note: I held off until a couple months back, and my current display is 2 ms latency.) Not to mention, the panels on older laptop computers had significantly higher latency, and they were quite usable for basic office tasks.

  5. Re:Response time? by MontyApollo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Slow response time would be fine for websurfing, photo albums, PIMs, etc. The display could be used for certain PDA's, smart phones, electronic books/newspapers, etc... I think it still would be cool.

  6. brown and other hues by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 2, Informative

    the tags are right. The brown color is not in the hue (compare with rainbow), so controlling the wavelength is not enough. You'd need to controll brightness at least, and then brown would be kind-of dark-orange.

    Also, if you rely on reflecting light (aka. mirror), you rely on fact that the light source HAS this color wavelength in its spectrum. This is not always the case if you don't use sunlight.

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    1. Re:brown and other hues by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now, that's an idea! Let's make a display that is physically incapable of reproducing the colour ginger! Then, sufferers will be able to show other people digital photographs of themselves looking normal .....

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    2. Re:brown and other hues by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your watch, calculator, and Gameboy (if it's a first-generation Gameboy Advance or earlier) have what's known as a reflective LCD, or they block out reflected light. You can't read your watch or use your calculator in the dark, can you? They take ambient light around them, and block portions of it that would otherwise be reflected to make a display. There are also transflective displays, which work better in bright ambient light.

  7. Re:Toner? by IBBoard · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, they just invented the entirely new "toner in liquid". There's no prior art and the patent is coming soon.

  8. Probably not. Too many electromagnets by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It sounds cute, but it's another minor advance in materials science, and a long way from being a new display technology.

    The basic problem is that it requires a big array of electromagnets, one per pixel. Fabricating large arrays of electromagnets is expensive; it's hard to fabricate coils using an IC process. And it doesn't scale down well; tiny coils are tough to make. It's also hard to contain a magnetic field in a small space. So electrostatic devices, like LCDs, and emission devices, like plasma panels, tend to win out.

    Previous technologies shot down by this fact include magnetic bubble and magnetic core memories. They worked, but they never got either cheap or tiny.

    1. Re:Probably not. Too many electromagnets by mosb1000 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Any electrical current will generate a magnetic field. I don't know why you think you need coils. Coils are used because the field overlaps on itself and there is an additive effect. But the article does not say how strong the field has to be, so there's no reason to believe that it will be necessary to use coils. It all depends on how strong the magnetic field needs to be.

      "It's also hard to contain a magnetic field in a small space"

      There is no need to "contain" the magnetic field, since each pixel would be dominated the nearest magnet (magnetic fields dissipate rapidly with distance).

    2. Re:Probably not. Too many electromagnets by Judebert · · Score: 2, Informative

      On the other hand, both hard drives and electromagnetic tape use tiny magnetic fields. So making this work is just a matter of coating the back with the same material we use for hard drives and setting the bits with a moving head (instead of a moving platter).

      While that may not be practical (moving head, what am I thinking?), I did RTFA. The effect is caused by the opposing static and magnetic forces. So, if we can electrostatically increase the static charge on the particles, like we do in an LCD screen, then we can achieve the desired result.

      And on the third hand, I sure hope this reflection is more like ink, and less like the reflective screen on a Gameboy Color.

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  9. Color changes with viewing angle? by G4from128k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The variation in color around the tubes shown in the photos seem to suggest that the color is angle-dependent (not surprising given the photonic crystal design). One would see a redder (longer-wavelength) when viewing straight on to the panel than from any angle to the side. This is NOT acceptable for most applications.

    I do hope they can create angle-independence -- perhaps microlenses or shaping of the cell well would help in some way.

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    1. Re:Color changes with viewing angle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, I think it's because the field strength varies across the tube. They just put magnets behind the tubes (you can see one of them) -- not very precise or high-tech, but it shows how simple the technology is, which is a good sign IMO.

  10. Re:What if you dropped a magnet on it? by SQLGuru · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And a magnet didn't make your CRT go all "wonky" rainbow colored?

    Layne

  11. One major advantage to LCDs... by Jazz-Masta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    is that they aren't susceptible to magnetic interference. With modern day TV rooms, this is essential. Even though everyone claims they have "magnetically shielded" speakers, put a few big ones close to a CRT, then tell me whether or not they are truly "magnetically shielded."

  12. photonic crystals ? by Arthur+B. · · Score: 2, Funny

    For Aiur !

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  13. Re:Response time? by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The display could be used for certain PDA's, smart phones, electronic books/newspapers, etc
    Wouldn't the whole 'susceptible to magnetic intereference' be a problem for a portable screen?
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  14. Re:Response time? by MontyApollo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe...

    It just depends on how susceptible. Weren't floppy disks susceptible to being erased by magnetic interference, but people rarely took special precautions.

  15. Re:But wait... by tsa · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, because the wall behind your monitor changes all the time! Never a dull moment there!

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  16. Re:Anyone have info on energy usage? by tsa · · Score: 2, Informative

    200 micrometer is REAL BIG in lithography land. No problems there that I can see.

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  17. Re:Response time? by profplump · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're right that the change isn't instantaneous on a CRT, but the maximum refresh rate of a CRT is very much related to the decay rate of the phosphors, at least after you adjust for the marketing lies. That's why fixed-frequency 60 Hz monitors (or TVs) don't have huge flicker problems, but a multi-sync monitor with a 180 Hz maximum refresh will put you into seizures if run with a 60 Hz refresh.

  18. I think he's right... by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the good old days we had CRT monitors at 60Hz, and even at 50Hz and guess what? They didn't flicker! And neither does your TV!!

    Nope. The phosphor is designed for that particular refresh rate.

    The problems started when PCs decided they wanted to refresh at lots of different rates so the phosphor was designed for the highest rates supported by the monitor.

    Result? 60Hz flickered like mad on them.

    So...he's right and you're wrong. Ergo, you suck.

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  19. Re:Response time? by SnowZero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As opposed to an LCD which truly is at a given level, there is no fade out. Wrong. Go to Tom's hardware and look at any of their LCD reviews. The response curve is not square, nor is it likely to be anywhere near the quoted speed, which is usually describing the best case rather than the worst case. You're also neglecting the common "overdrive" method used to get sub "16ms" response times, which means the LCD takes a long time to actually converge on a level; Contrary to your claim, for video it really is almost never is at the right level, rather it wobbles around it and looks grainy. So, CRTs are still better at response time (in particular rise time) and flatness of a shade, but suck for all the other reasons that CRTs do (size, weight, flicker, etc). It's a trade-off, please don't try to pretend it isn't.

    If you want a good waveform, you'll need an OLED. Those can respond in a few ms from/to any brightness level (just like an LED). Once those take off in popularity, they will probably rule the roost for gaming and video, if not everything.
  20. Re:cool picture, a long way off by owlstead · · Score: 2, Informative

    "the resolution and control still isn't very good"

    Looks like a glass vial to me. With a single magnet in the middle. So, yeah, resolution seems to be 1:1 and they are showing off all the colors in the vial, not trying to make it a single color. And I *do* see most colors you would need, so that's a plus.

    As for liquid paper: it can be made flexible, I suppose it uses little energy and it uses reflexion as well. Couple this with high dpi and this would qualify it for digital paper in my view. Actually, for me, it would even be viable for electronic paper even without the flexible bit. I have no issue bringing a light A4/letter slab with me if it can bring up all my paperwork on request.

  21. Re:I don't see how this can ever work by darkshadow · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well,you could put this panel on the end of some sort of tube, and have a gun of some sort emitting a focused magnetic field that swipes across the panel in an array of some sort changing the pixels one by one until it builds an image.

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  22. The implications... by nadamucho · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Another issue with this, which has yet to be addressed, is that the pixels in this display aren't made up of RGB subpixels. This means that when color is processed by the computer, it needs to be transmitted as a color, rather than shades of RGB. Should this technology come to market, it seems that it would be too impractical to take an RGB signal from the computer, analyze it, convert it to a color, and then display it. It would require an entirely new video driver (possibly new graphics hardware) to output a "color" signal, rather than an RGB signal.

    As far as brightness is concerned, this is "easily" solved by backlighting the display with white OLEDs. This way, you have a color and a brightness, everything you need for a pixel.

    1. Re:The implications... by n+dot+l · · Score: 2, Informative

      would require an entirely new video driver (possibly new graphics hardware) to output a "color" signal, rather than an RGB signal Nah. Converting RGB to HSV or other color spaces is fairly straight-forward and can easily be done in real-time at 60 Hz. I have no idea how cheap a chip that can do that is - but it can be done right in the monitor.

      This way, you have a color and a brightness, everything you need for a pixel. Not exactly. Adding white LEDs whould give you color and saturation, which isn't the same as brightness. Turning up the white light would just wash out the colors (which is an ability you'd want - just not for the reason you gave). What you need is control over how much colored light gets reflected back - which means you'd have to either get control over how much light comes in, or have the ability to turn a given percentage of a pixel black in order darken the final color - in reality you'd probably need to use some combination of both.
  23. Re:Response time? by eggnoglatte · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sorry, you are wrong on two counts:

    a) modern LCD panels do not have a square pulse. In order to achieve fast switching times, the frame-to-frame differences are actually overdriven. Say you are currently at pixel value 100, and want to go to 150. You would actually drive the pixel at 170 or so, such that at the end of the new frame, the time-averaged transmission over the frame interval is the desired 150. The numbers are made up of course, but the principle holds.

    b) CRT phosphors have a non-zero decay period, but they are actually fairly fast. So much so, that you can measure easily where the electron gun is at any given point in time. This is how light pens work (used to be the input device of choice before the mouse and touchscreens, now http://www.fastpoint.com/ seems to be the only manufacturer), or how security researchers manage to read the screen content from a reflection on the wall: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ieee02-optical.pdf

  24. Re:Response time? by MontyApollo · · Score: 2, Informative

    >>Not really. It results in disappearance of the mouse cursor, and interferes with scrolling.

    I guess it depend too on what you mean by "slow" response time. The OP in not so many words said it had to be fast enough to play video games without ghosting. Most applications are not that demanding.

    If it was too slow you could not use a mouse or scroll, but their could be workarounds (page up and down instead of scroll, moveable focus rather than a moveable cursor).

  25. Re:Response time? by eggnoglatte · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try this. Take your digital camera, put it into the highest ISO setting, open the aperture all the way, and take a really short exposure of a CRT screen. What you'll see is a block of scanlines (about 20 or so for a 1/1000s exposure) that is bright, and the rest of the screen, which is very dim by comparison. The transitions between the bright and the dark regions will be very sharp, which will show you that the phosphor decay is quite rapid, and you only see multiple illuminated lines because, even at 1/1000s, the exposure time is still too long to see a point.

    Phosphors have an exponential decay, which means that they fall off to a fraction of their peak intensity fairly rapidly, but it takes forever for them to dim completely. That is why you see radiation in a dark room, but it is at a level that is MUCH smaller than the level you get even showing a black screen with an active electron gun.