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Apple iPhone v1.0.1 Update Now Available

The Webguy writes "Apple has released the first update for the iPhone. Updated components in the v1.0.1 update include Safari, the WebCore, and the WebKit. Quoting from the Apple Knowledge Base, the 'update is only available through iTunes, and will not appear in your computer's Software Update application, or on the Apple Support Downloads site.'" One source speculated that Apple wanted to get fixes in users' hands ahead of the Black Hat conference where details of early iPhone vulnerabilities could be revealed.

279 comments

  1. Sure wish... by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 4, Funny

    it would let me bookmark a Google Maps location.

    1. Re:Sure wish... by furball · · Score: 2, Informative

      Like arbitrary coordinates or an address? Because it can bookmark addresses and searches. I have McCarran International Airport (Las Vegas) bookmarked on my phone right now.

    2. Re:Sure wish... by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      Arbitrary coordinates. Right now Maps is useless for returning to locations that were arrived at by manually scrolling around. Not being able to create arbitrary placemarks is a real forehead-slapper of an omission, since not every location on Earth has a street address.

    3. Re:Sure wish... by JonathanR · · Score: 2, Funny

      What, are you hatching a terrorist plot?

    4. Re:Sure wish... by trentblase · · Score: 1

      you can always do it in safari.

    5. Re:Sure wish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know how the iPhone works, if it can only bookmark the current address, do this: click on the "Link to this page" link on the top right of google maps and then bookmark.

    6. Re:Sure wish... by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, unfortunately, using Google Maps is really awkward. I can't even tell how to scroll the map, frankly, since there's no way for the phone to confuse an AJAX "dragging" operation with the normal page-scrolling action.

    7. Re:Sure wish... by skinfitz · · Score: 1

      Speaking of glaring omissions - lack of ability to use a GPS with maps?

      Would it have killed them to allow connection to a Bluetooth GPS?

    8. Re:Sure wish... by vigmeister · · Score: 1

      I was going to point you to http://www.mgmaps.com/, but apparently Google stopped allowing the software to use their maps YESTERDAY. This is a sign from God that Google is evil...

      Regardless, the software is top class and allows the use of a GPS with maps from other providers...

      Cheers!

      --
      Atheist: Buddhist in a Prius
    9. Re:Sure wish... by jsight · · Score: 1

      I was going to point you to http://www.mgmaps.com/, but apparently Google stopped allowing the software to use their maps YESTERDAY. This is a sign from God that Google is evil...

      Regardless, the software is top class and allows the use of a GPS with maps from other providers...


      It is also a J2ME app, which makes it useless for iPhone users.
    10. Re:Sure wish... by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      WTF, this wasn't supposed to be funny. It's a real shortcoming with the Maps application that keeps it from being useful on hikes and stuff.

  2. hmmm or not by sam_paris · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I just plugged my iphone in as soon as I saw this story and I dont see any update 1.01...

    1. Re:hmmm or not by Necroman · · Score: 4, Informative

      You have to press the "Check for Updates" button in iTunes to get it. iTunes only auto-checks for updates every 7 days or so.

      --
      Its not what it is, its something else.
    2. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Its nine oclock on a saturday

    3. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      The regular crowd shuffles in

    4. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Theres an old man sitting next to me

    5. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Makin love to his tonic and gin

    6. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Im not really sure how it goes

    7. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But its sad and its sweet and I knew it complete

    8. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I wore a younger mans clothes

    9. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sing us a song, you're the piano man

    10. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sing us a song tonight

    11. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, were all in the mood for a melody

    12. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      And you've got us feelin alright

    13. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now John at the bar is a friend of mine

    14. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He gets me my drinks for free

    15. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And hes quick with a joke or to light up your smoke

    16. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But theres someplace that hed rather be

    17. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He says, Bill, I believe this is killing me.

    18. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the smile ran away from his face

    19. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well Im sure that I could be a movie star

    20. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I could get out of this place

    21. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now Paul is a real estate novelist

    22. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who never had time for a wife

    23. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And hes talkin with Davy whos still in the navy

    24. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And probably will be for life

    25. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the waitress is practicing politics

    26. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the businessmen slowly get stoned

    27. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But its better than drinkin alone

    28. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a pretty good crowd for a saturday

    29. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the manager gives me a smile

    30. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cause he knows that its me they've been comin to see

    31. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To forget about life for a while

    32. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the microphone smells like a beer

    33. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar

    34. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And say, man, what are you doin here?

    35. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the piano, it sounds like a carnival

    36. Re:hmmm or not by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      You have to press the "Check for Updates" button in iTunes to get it. iTunes only auto-checks for updates every 7 days or so. So if someone patched iTunes to prevent it from fetching iPhone updates...
      You could theoretically mod your phone and iTunes wouldn't stop working because of pending updates?
      --
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      o0t!
    37. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Piano man troll? Didn't see that one coming!

    38. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't they sharing a drink they call loneliness?

    39. Re:hmmm or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. The proxy server that line was supposted to be posted from timed out.

    40. Re:hmmm or not by Necroman · · Score: 1

      Nope, it asks if you watch to patch, you don't have to. From what I can tell, you are more than welcome to keep running 1.0.0 version of the iPhone firmware.

      --
      Its not what it is, its something else.
    41. Re:hmmm or not by Amouth · · Score: 1

      i thought it was kinda nice of someone to do.. i love that song.. and it helped break up the whineing that 90% of these "discussions" turn into....

      --
      '...if only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.'
    42. Re:hmmm or not by arivanov · · Score: 1

      It asks now. Are you sure that it will ask you about a patch that is critical for Apple's revenue stream?

      --
      Baker's Law: Misery no longer loves company. Nowadays it insists on it
      http://www.sigsegv.cx/
    43. Re:hmmm or not by node+3 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Are you sure that it will ask you about a patch that is critical for Apple's revenue stream? Absolutely. Apple *always* asks.
    44. Re:hmmm or not by cez · · Score: 0, Troll

      yeah they *always* ask... or they break libraries so one must upgrade to even open itunes.

      --
      Walk with Music;
    45. Re:hmmm or not by LKM · · Score: 1

      If you want to upgrade some libraries iTunes relies on, it should be obvious that updating iTunes may also be a good idea. However, if you want to, you can remain on your current version of all of your software indefinitely. Apple will not force you to update either your libraries or your applications.

    46. Re:hmmm or not by cez · · Score: 1

      Wasn't trying to troll, honestly with the last update...I was fine before the update and after it was available, before even thinking of updating, iTunes continuously crashed on start with a library error. That is until I updated with the iTunes updater.

      --
      Walk with Music;
    47. Re:hmmm or not by LKM · · Score: 1

      Wasn't trying to troll, honestly with the last update...I was fine before the update and after it was available, before even thinking of updating, iTunes continuously crashed on start with a library error. That is until I updated with the iTunes updater.

      What, you think the availability of the update made your iTunes crash???

      If Apple tried to pull something like that, there'd be a perfect storm of fanboy outrage killing the Internets within minutes. Nobody criticizes Apple for its mistakes harsher than Mac users.

  3. A Description of the Patches from Apple: by iluvcapra · · Score: 5, Informative



    iPhone v1.0.1 Update

    Safari

    CVE-ID: CVE-2007-2400

    Available for: iPhone v1.0

    Impact: Visiting a malicious website may allow cross-site scripting

    Description: Safari's security model prevents JavaScript in remote web pages from modifying pages outside of their domain. A race condition in page updating combined with HTTP redirection may allow JavaScript from one page to modify a redirected page. This could allow cookies and pages to be read or arbitrarily modified. This update addresses the issue by correcting access control to window properties. Credit to Lawrence Lai, Stan Switzer, and Ed Rowe of Adobe Systems, Inc. for reporting this issue.

    Safari

    CVE-ID: CVE-2007-3944

    Available for: iPhone v1.0

    Impact: Viewing a maliciously crafted web page may lead to arbitrary code execution

    Description: Heap buffer overflows exist in the Perl Compatible Regular Expressions (PCRE) library used by the JavaScript engine in Safari. By enticing a user to visit a maliciously crafted web page, an attacker may trigger the issue, which may lead to arbitrary code execution. This update addresses the issue by performing additional validation of JavaScript regular expressions. Credit to Charlie Miller and Jake Honoroff of Independent Security Evaluators for reporting these issues.

    WebCore

    CVE-ID: CVE-2007-2401

    Available for: iPhone v1.0

    Impact: Visiting a malicious website may allow cross-site requests

    Description: An HTTP injection issue exists in XMLHttpRequest when serializing headers into an HTTP request. By enticing a user to visit a maliciously crafted web page, an attacker could trigger a cross-site scripting issue. This update addresses the issue by performing additional validation of header parameters. Credit to Richard Moore of Westpoint Ltd. for reporting this issue.

    WebKit

    CVE-ID: CVE-2007-3742

    Available for: iPhone v1.0

    Impact: Look-alike characters in a URL could be used to masquerade a website

    Description: The International Domain Name (IDN) support and Unicode fonts embedded in Safari could be used to create a URL which contains look-alike characters. These could be used in a malicious web site to direct the user to a spoofed site that visually appears to be a legitimate domain. This update addresses the issue by through an improved domain name validity check.

    WebKit

    CVE-ID: CVE-2007-2399

    Available for: iPhone v1.0

    Impact: Visiting a maliciously crafted website may lead to an unexpected application termination or arbitrary code execution

    Description: An invalid type conversion when rendering frame sets could lead to memory corruption. Visiting a maliciously crafted web page may lead to an unexpected application termination or arbitrary code execution. Credit to Rhys Kidd of Westnet for reporting this issue.

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    Don't blame me, I voted for Baltar.
    1. Re:A Description of the Patches from Apple: by toleraen · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What, did you expect Apple's servers to get slashdotted by this post? Somehow I don't think news about a security update will generate as much traffic to their site as say, a steve jobs keynote would.

    2. Re:A Description of the Patches from Apple: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You omitted the part of the announcement where Apple indicates the list consists of the "security related" bugs fixed. Implicitly this says other, non-security related bugs fixed may be fixed by the update, too. I know for one, that the calculator in 1.0.1 works as expected.

    3. Re:A Description of the Patches from Apple: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Visit link provided in summary
      2. Cut & paste
      3. ???
      4. Profit!

    4. Re:A Description of the Patches from Apple: by chefmonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Viewing a maliciously crafted web page may lead to arbitrary code execution

      Arbitrary code execution? But isn't that what every iPhone user has been clamoring for?
    5. Re:A Description of the Patches from Apple: by empaler · · Score: 1

      Even better: Apple uses Akamai. That pretty much covers the bases and leaves one wondering how this guy got modded up to 5.

    6. Re:A Description of the Patches from Apple: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As usual, they forgot to mention that the patch makes onixia deep breathe more often...

    7. Re:A Description of the Patches from Apple: by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      Here in Australia Akamai's server was totally bogged down and unusable during the last WWDC. (But I agree that it's not going to go down because of this news.)

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      // MD_Update(&m,buf,j);
  4. Mother? What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I was thinking about taking your mother to the monster truck show, but now, I have second thoughts. Chances would be high for her to throw her iPhone at the monster truck as an offering since you have said this.

  5. oops by sam_paris · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok I have it now, but rather worryingly, half way through installation the process has stalled and my phone is currently ibricked :(

    1. Re:oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It takes a long time to get moving again once it stalls at the halfway point, but it does eventually continue. 5-10 minutes total, in my case.

    2. Re:oops by shawnce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Did you take it out of the dock? Anyway if need run the restore option that iTunes provides.

      (my update worked without issue, it did "stall" for about 2 minutes during the updating firmware stage)

    3. Re:oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you interrupt your iPhone update because you can't wait to post the result on slashdot? Man, get your priorities straight: your hardware is more important than your social status here.

    4. Re:oops by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 1

      Hrm... Halfway through, iTunes gave me an "Update could not be completed" error, although the progress bar on the iPhone itself is still going.

      Due to the Slashdot length-between-posts time limit, I have had time to let it finish, and it looks like it worked just fine. Although I currently have no cell phone signal, even though it's in the exact same location that it had a full signal before the update..... Ah, there we go. Signal is back. Sync failed, though. It's losing the connection to the iPhone... Trying plugged in directly, rather than through a USB hub... That did it.

      All is good now.

      --
      Another non-functioning site was "uncertainty.microsoft.com."
      The purpose of that site was not known.
    5. Re:oops by stonedcat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your struggle had me gripping the edge of my seat.

      --
      You can't take the sky from me.
    6. Re:oops by iknowcss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Social Status"?

      What web site are you on?

      --
      Life is rarely fair. Cherish the moments when there is a right answer.
    7. Re:oops by David+Nabbit · · Score: 1

      Don't mind him; he's new here.

      --
      "Her idea of wit is nothing more than an incisive observation humorously phrased and delivered with impeccable timing."
    8. Re:oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      by David Nabbit (924807) on 2007-08-01 8:15 (#20067333)
      Don't mind him; he's new here. In reply to iknowcss (937215).

      Now that's ironic.
    9. Re:oops by empaler · · Score: 1

      Oh, the humanity! I'll have to buy a change of diaper cos' I had a brown constable pop by to check on the commotion.

    10. Re:oops by sam_paris · · Score: 1

      Update: My iphone is alive and well and beeping happily. It just happened to stall for a good 5 minutes in the middle of updating. I'm happy to end this saga :)

  6. My iPhone seems fine... by qualidafial · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm writing this message from my iPhone and haven't noticed any problems at ~£]+~}2(&"@NO CARRIER

    1. Re:My iPhone seems fine... by qualidafial · · Score: 1

      lamest comment ever

      fuck you
      Wow, how insightful. Tell me more.
  7. Re:NIce! by aichpvee · · Score: 0, Troll

    It's in the IT section, too, moron.

    --
    The Farewell Tour II
  8. Re:Copy and Paste from linked article - karma whor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be new here...

  9. RoughlyDrafted? Where are you? by mattgreen · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'm expecting a fifteen page writeup on why these issues are not that big of a deal by tomorrow on my desk. Double spaced, Arial 9 point.

    Oh, and this time, please don't use Wingdings in the footnotes. I can't tell you how disorienting it is to find a jogging man icon be used as a marker in the middle of a rant.

  10. My iPhone got me laid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Chicks dig the iPhone.

    1. Re:My iPhone got me laid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      So you held the iPhone in the other hand?

      Remind me not to borrow your iPhone.

    2. Re:My iPhone got me laid by Crimsonjade · · Score: 1

      So you held the iPhone in the other hand?

      Remind me not to borrow your iPhone.
      No, he used it as a toy.
    3. Re:My iPhone got me laid by sqrt(2) · · Score: 2, Funny

      Informative? Informative!?

      Yes, waiter, another glass of kool-aid please.
      (captcha: ravening)

      --
      If you build it, nerds will come. Soylentnews.org
    4. Re:My iPhone got me laid by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 4, Funny

      An iPhone will work, but really it could be any item that indicates to the woman that you're willing to spend hundreds of dollars on something pretty.

    5. Re:My iPhone got me laid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He set it to vibrate mode, shoved it up his ass, then called himself. (AKA "a pudge").

    6. Re:My iPhone got me laid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why spend money when you can give her a beautiful pearl necklace for free.

    7. Re:My iPhone got me laid by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      '' An iPhone will work, but really it could be any item that indicates to the woman that you're willing to spend hundreds of dollars on something pretty. ''

      You still have to pull it off. And somehow I think that someone who posts on Slashdot that an iPhone "got him laid" is not the kind of person who _can_ pull it off.

    8. Re:My iPhone got me laid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh contraire!

      I think the kind person who posts on slashdot is *exactly* the kind of person that pulls it off regularly, multiple times a day infact.

    9. Re:My iPhone got me laid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're implying that he spent hundreds of dollars for someone pretty. Considering the types of people you see on reality TV shows like COPS, and the prices for their services, I suspect neither. The iPhone just allowed him to Google which corner to pick someone up at.

    10. Re:My iPhone got me laid by vlad30 · · Score: 1

      You set it to vibrate and she touched the screen with what?

      --
      Your'e all thinking it, I just said it for you
    11. Re:My iPhone got me laid by HedRat · · Score: 1

      My wife prefers to sit on a Heavy Duty Maytag during spin cycle with a slightly unbalanced load.

  11. One Source? by juuri · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who, cmdrtaco?

    Slashdot has sources now? ... right!

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  12. Re:Copy and Paste from linked article - karma whor by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

    Yes, but you can't argue with success ;)

    It's nice just to have it on the page to look at. Besides, how many people are going to actually read it anyways?

    --
    Don't blame me, I voted for Baltar.
  13. updated by Fluk3 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Feels Snappier(TM)

    --
    I've been upgraded to "bad"!
    1. Re:updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I agree. (For all the sense of the score you received, this should earn me a score of -2!)

    2. Re:updated by bar-agent · · Score: 1, Funny

      Im in ur iphone

      giving you teh snappy

      --
      i'd hit it so hard, if you pulled me out you'd be the king of britain [bash.org]
    3. Re:updated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know...
      imo, onyxia deep breathes more after i patched my iphone.

    4. Re:updated by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      like an alligator sandwitch?

      --
      Conservatism: The fear that somewhere, somehow, someone you think is your inferior is being treated as your equal.
  14. Re:Copy and Paste from linked article - karma whor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF? Because PPL don't RTFA.

  15. I always wanted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    a phone that I have to hook up to my computer and open a music player so that it doesn't get owned.

    Thanks Apple!

    1. Re:I always wanted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The mods are really smoking the ganja today. Flamebait? I laughed hard. He's funny.

    2. Re:I always wanted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This an Apple story. The only thing the mods are smoking is cock.

    3. Re:I always wanted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of us mods smoke the ganga daily, and if I hadn't already modded this story, I'd nut up and post as myself...but I do think the post was funny.

  16. Uh... by daveschroeder · · Score: 0, Redundant

    One source speculated that Apple wanted to get fixes in users' hands ahead of the Black Hat conference where details of early iPhone vulnerabilities could be revealed.

    And this would be surprising why, exactly?

    Is this not a good thing?

    1. Re:Uh... by dfghjk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Where did the author say it was surprising(, exactly)?

      Of what use is your comment, exactly?

    2. Re:Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To get mod points and be a typical Apple Fanboi while claiming he's not. What else?

  17. Copy/paste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's informative because he did it on an iPhone! (Haha, I made a funny! You can't copy/paste on an iPhone!!) :-P

    1. Re:Copy/paste by Amouth · · Score: 0, Redundant

      "(Haha, I made a funny! You can't copy/paste on an iPhone!!)"

      if that is true than all i can say is WTF mate..

      --
      '...if only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.'
    2. Re:Copy/paste by empaler · · Score: 1
  18. Clarification on my speculation. by lancejjj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One source speculated that Apple wanted to get fixes in users' hands ahead of the Black Hat conference where details of early iPhone vulnerabilities could be revealed. Admittedly, I had speculated this, but I have no basis to believe that Apple "rushed out" these fixes or had a timeline based on the conference. Instead, my speculation was that Apple merely wanted these fixes out earlier than later, and that some on the inside were happy that the fixes were released in such a timely manner.

  19. Interesting... by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The first step after hitting go involves the iPhone going into a "Software Update" screen, then immediately going to an Apple logo with progress bar. On the computer, while the progress bar is going by, is displayed "Verifying Current iPhone Software"... Does this mean it's checking the existing install to make sure it's not hacked?

    Anyone with a hacked iPhone try this yet, and if so, any problems? I expect any hacks will have to be re-applied (or even re-discovered, if the hole that allowed them was patched.)

    (I haven't hacked my iPhone yet, but I would like to make sure Apple doesn't lock hacked ones out of updates.)

    --
    Another non-functioning site was "uncertainty.microsoft.com."
    The purpose of that site was not known.
    1. Re:Interesting... by wannasleep · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes it is checking the install for integrity... and it looks like it wipes out phones with some mods. It is not clear yet what mods trigger a complete wipe. It looks like ringtones and minor mods will survive the update. People are still testing.

    2. Re:Interesting... by TechForensics · · Score: 1

      Isn't a hacked phone likely to fail updating because what was to have been updated has been hacked or removed?

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    3. Re:Interesting... by dizneedave · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yep. It wiped my ringtones and my custom graphics. I thought this might happen. Now let's see if it actually fixed Safari so it doesn't crash every 10 minutes.

    4. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i added ringtones to my iphone with ifuntastic, and the update didnt go through until I did a restore. However, after I restored my iPhone and did the update, I was able to re-add my rongtines with ifuntastic again. A bit of a lengthy process, but now I have the 1.0.1 update AND custom ringtones.

    5. Re:Interesting... by voisine · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just had some ringtones on there and the software verification failed. Had to do a full restore. It took longer and I have to re-hack it to get my cat-screech custom ringtone for the wife back, but otherwise painless.

    6. Re:Interesting... by bugnuts · · Score: 2, Informative
      From a certain site that doesn't want to be slashdotted:

      The iPhone Software Update 1.0.1 has been released. Here are the things we currently know about it:

          * Full system wipe on modded phones (fails integrity check)
          * Downgrade does not work (Kind of mixed reports here. Apparently you can go through the process, but
              Settings > General > About still says 1.0.1)
          * The phone goes back through the activation process (DVD Jon's method has been confirmed to work still along with the
              other Windows methods)
          * Jailbreak 1.0 appears to work just fine
          * Only newer versions of iPhoneInterface (0.3.3 and up) are known to work. Older verions of iPhoneInterface do not work.


      Jailbreak is the primary tool used to enter commands into the iphone. It works. So, it looks like you want to unmod your phone, and it'll be possible to apply the patch, the re-mod it.
    7. Re:Interesting... by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the update. I can confirm that Safari is just as unstable... (Crashed twice so far today.)

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      Another non-functioning site was "uncertainty.microsoft.com."
      The purpose of that site was not known.
  20. Now that I'm thinking about it... by chris_eineke · · Score: 3, Funny

    Isn't the iPhone a Newton 2.0?

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    1. Re:Now that I'm thinking about it... by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Newton 2.0 happened already, the MessagePad 2000 and 2100 were pretty impressive devices too. You should use one sometime.

      And yes, I think the iPhone is a lot like a MessagePad, but also completely different. I'd love to see internal MessagePad compatibility in terms of programming and data storage, just because it was so advanced and sexy to program, but oh well.

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      - Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
  21. Great, now where's update v1.0.2? by DeepZenPill · · Score: 1

    Still waiting for copy and paste, custom ringtones, and bluetooth file transfers... :(

    1. Re:Great, now where's update v1.0.2? by howlingmadhowie · · Score: 1

      while you're about it, you can also wish for the source code, the right to modify this as you see fit, and an open source ide.

  22. Re:NIce! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Flamebiat? I agree with him this isn't really news worthy material, at least to be on the front page. Put it in back and put the submitter back on the shortbus.

  23. One fix that I found by jht · · Score: 3, Informative

    VPN connections work correctly now. Before, it wouldn't save my PPTP password and then when it connected it would bring up a password entry box with only numeric characters allowed. I didn't try VPN with a password not saved, but at least saved password behavior is correct.

    The update took around 7-8 minutes altogether. Left a ".ipsw" file in my ~/Library/iTunes/iPhone Software Updates folder which presumably contains the image.

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    -- Josh Turiel
    "2. Do not eat iPod Shuffle."
  24. Nope, Palm 10.0 by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    It's Palm 10.0, if you think about how it really works... fundamentally, a device dervied from a newton would be all about handwriting recognition taken to the next level. the iPhone is about replacing the Grafitti input squares with a virtual keyboard, with some hint of the gesture recognition dispersed throughout the device.

    Also, it's what Palm should have developed about two years ago, if they hadn't lost focus on making great small device OSe's

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Nope, Palm 10.0 by amper · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is, if there's enough of Mac OS X in there, it should be theoretically possible to port Inkwell to the iPhone. I'm sure Apple is thinking about this.

      And Palm? It seems to me that about the only chance Palm has for continued existence is to go back to their roots and release Graffiti (v1, not v2, now that the lawsuit is settled) for the iPhone. You *do* know that Palm's original product was Graffiti, right? And that one of the platforms it ran on was the Newton MessagePad?

      Honestly, I hope Palm does well with the Foleo, because it embodies in many ways ideas that I've had about the future of mobile computing for a long time. It's just that given Palm's recent history, I doubt that it's going to thrive.

    2. Re:Nope, Palm 10.0 by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Informative

      The funny thing is, if there's enough of Mac OS X in there, it should be theoretically possible to port Inkwell to the iPhone. I'm sure Apple is thinking about this.

      I don't think they are, because the finger is a terrible writing implement - that would be far more suited to a stylus I think.

      And Palm? It seems to me that about the only chance Palm has for continued existence is to go back to their roots and release Graffiti (v1, not v2, now that the lawsuit is settled) for the iPhone. You *do* know that Palm's original product was Graffiti, right? And that one of the platforms it ran on was the Newton MessagePad?

      Yes, but the Newton was always more about pure text entry with the stylus, the Palm stuff really wasn't as useful on the Newton. Palm/Grafitti really came into its own with a dedicated OS, I had a few Palm Pilots and I loved them. They went to a place with the Treo I could not follow.

      Honestly, I hope Palm does well with the Foleo, because it embodies in many ways ideas that I've had about the future of mobile computing for a long time. It's just that given Palm's recent history, I doubt that it's going to thrive.

      The problem with the folio is that it's plainly positioned as an adjunct device to other smartphones, and unless Apple opens up the iPhone enough it can interoperate well... I'm not sure how well they will fare. I also do not wish Palm ill, but I'm not sure they have made good choices in the last few years.

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      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    3. Re:Nope, Palm 10.0 by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I don't think they are, because the finger is a terrible writing implement - that would be far more suited to a stylus I think. Nonsense. You just need a fingersharpener.
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      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
  25. Sooooo.... by kollywabbles · · Score: 5, Funny

    can I replace the battery now?

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    put it in the bit bucket
    1. Re:Sooooo.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it already dead? Man... you just can't please some people.

    2. Re:Sooooo.... by howlingmadhowie · · Score: 1

      nope. you can still send it in to apple where they will... well, what will they do exactly?

      i suppose, if i had an iphone, i'd try to find a way of wiping the memory bigtime before sending the device in to have its battery replaced. then i could be sure that apple wasn't gathering personal information about me.

    3. Re:Sooooo.... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      There's already a $20 third party replacement battery on the market if you want to DIY. It comes with a screwdriver, but you supply your own soldering iron.

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      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
    4. Re:Sooooo.... by tm2b · · Score: 1

      Sure. For $20, even.

      That'd be funny if it was posted two weeks ago. As is... just lame.

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      "It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
  26. Re:Copy and Paste from linked article - karma whor by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

    Oooh, I'm taking a hit for that one :P

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  27. My rotary dial phone is still on 1.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be retro-chic if it didn't date back to AT&T 1.0.

  28. Re:iPhone is the new PSP? by Internet+Ronin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well there is the fact that it doesn't break any of the existing hacks for the iPhone...

  29. WebTV Next Generation. Royal Vista on steroids. by argent · · Score: 1

    It's got nothing to do with Newton, Palm, Pocket PC, Symbian/EPOC devices, or any other smartphone or PDA, because you can't run anything but Apple's software on it.

    It's basically a canned email/browser device like WebTV in a pocket form factor, with a handful of common organizer applications baked into the image, like Royal's old line of organizers.

  30. Re:Copy/paste (and take the "Phone" out of iPhone) by UnanimousCoward · · Score: 1, Troll
    I'm gonna rant for a while, so move along if you don't want to hear this--you've been warned...

    You know how Steve mentioned three things when he introduced the iPhone? Well, two out of three ain't bad--mine wasn't a phone for about 24 hours (and didn't bother to tell me):
    • I was trying to make a call and/or send a text message to my wife at about 8pm to tell her that my son and I would be a bit late coming home. No dice.
    • I figure it's just my iPhone lying to me about signal strength, so tried a bit later from a different location--no dice.
    • I realize that my wife said she tried to call me in the afternoon and that my iPhone didn't even say missed call, new voicemail, or anything.
    • Then, I realize that I haven't gotten a call/message/made a call for about 24 hours.
    • So I reboot.
    • Voila. Several voicemails, missed calls, text messages appear magically. And I can make calls too!

    Either this update better address phone-freeze or I'm gonna have to reboot every 24 hours (or chuck it)...
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  31. iPhone doesn't charge after update? by HighBit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is anyone else seeing this? My iPhone will not charge via the wall adapter after applying the update. Charging from the computer works fine, but I get nothing when it's plugged in via the wall adapter.

    1. Re:iPhone doesn't charge after update? by HighBit · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hmm, probably an issue with the adapter itself. Here's a thread where people are saying they're pretty flaky: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID= 1032995&tstart=0

    2. Re:iPhone doesn't charge after update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take off the tip and then firmly reinsert it. It should now work fine.

      Best of luck.

  32. Re:NO CARRIER by fistfullast33l · · Score: 1

    People like you are the reason we need a "Doesn't get the joke" mod.

  33. A phone update makes the news by networkzombie · · Score: 1

    If you would have told me 2 years ago that a lousy phone update would make news on Slashdot I would have said "Apple made a phone?"

    1. Re:A phone update makes the news by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Two years from now, Slashdot will have a story about the Fleshlight firmware update 1.01. Remember that you heard it here first.

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      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
  34. And Why is this on Slashdot? by maalau · · Score: 1

    Yeah and there was a firefox update yesterday, a debian security update the day before for some software, but I can't remember which, I just hit the go button...

    I did a fink update for my mini, I think I'll check to see if there is an update for some software that doesn't do auto updates later

    Need real news please!

  35. That's nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I got laid *without* an iPhone.

    Anybody can get laid with an iPhone.

    1. Re:That's nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I buy an iphone, and can't get laid, will you pay me $600?

    2. Re:That's nothing by mkiwi · · Score: 1

      Anybody can get laid with an iPhone.
      You must be new here.
  36. Freedom activists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    So where's the Defective by Design tag that gets attached to every Microsoft product that has artificial limitations?

  37. iTunes.... really? by moosesocks · · Score: 1

    For a device as advanced as the iPhone, I'm shocked that this update can't be automatically done via WiFi or EDGE. I mean, it's practically a freaking computer on its own, and doesn't need to be tethered to yet another device.

    Dear Apple,

    Please stop selling out. You're on a slippery slope, and we won't forgive you another time after you slipped up in the 90s.

    Sincerely,
    Your customers.

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    -- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
    1. Re:iTunes.... really? by mr_matticus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, because what everyone needs is a download or patching failure to brick their phone while they're traveling. Needing a computer allows you to backup/sync data beforehand and gives you the tools to do a restore if need be (for example, if a wonky hack bricks the update).

      Just because data and an installer can be delivered doesn't mean it's a brilliant plan.

      But I just have to ask: to whom has Apple sold out by requiring you to sit down at your computer to update a mobile device?

    2. Re:iTunes.... really? by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      Requiring iTunes to manage the thing even for people explicitly not using it as a glorified iPod doesn't sound like a particularly great idea.

      Likewise, I don't think all that many people tend to make a regular habit of plugging their phones into their computers.

      It's perfectly technically feasible, and in all likelihood would be easier for the user to update wirelessly. Requiring iTunes was a business decision plain and simple.

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      -- If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done? - Uli's moose
    3. Re:iTunes.... really? by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 1

      I mean, it's practically a freaking computer on its own, and doesn't need to be tethered to yet another device.
      The iPhone is a flash-based iPod video with a piss-poor phone and some rudimentary web and e-mail clients. Nothing more, nothing less. People with Blackberries and Palm smartphones are thoroughly unimpressed.... when's the last time you saw a story of a non-Mac-fanboi ditching their Blackberry for an iPhone with nowhere near the capabilities of their old device?
    4. Re:iTunes.... really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every Sprint phone I have owned has had an over the air update option. As I sit here at my desk, it would only take me a few clicks to update all 1200 Blackberry devices that our users have with no more then a few clicks. Service books, software, configurations, the password, the password timeout, how and where it syncs and much more.

      I know that sounds like such a hard task but other companies are doing it.

    5. Re:iTunes.... really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a Blackberry and I'm throroughly impressed, solely based on the WiFi and browser. I despise the Blackberry's browser, and mine has no WiFi capability.

    6. Re:iTunes.... really? by Com2Kid · · Score: 1

      For a device as advanced as the iPhone, I'm shocked that this update can't be automatically done via WiFi or EDGE


      Firmware Updates are done tethered for good reasons. Typically modern cell phones support limited over the air (OTA) updates, but firmware updates fall outside those bounds.

      The reasons? If anything goes wrong, the phone is effectively dead. The firmware[1] is the first thing that a phone loads when it is booted. If anything goes wrong during a firmware update and the firmware becomes corrupted, the phone cannot even boot. This means that you cannot even try to re-apply the same update (or revert to a previous firmware version), or do anything else for that matter!

      Firmware typically cannot be patched in place while the phone is running, in other words, it is not a background task.

      To recap, for a firmware update to take place, the phone has to go into a special mode, 100% complete the update, and if anything fails in a non-controlled manner, you have what is essentially a dead device.

      An OTA update would make the phone spontaneously go into a special "sorry you cannot make calls your phone is being updated right now" mode (violating numerous human interface guidelines right there), and many user's first reaction would be to turn the phone off and then on again.

      Which would, of course, kill the phone.

      Doh.

      Tethered updates are typically user initiated, and when done, are accompanied by large (possibly flashing) text telling the user not to turn off or disconnect their device. The user is informed of both the steps entailed in the process, and how to avoid the inherit dangers of firmware flashing.

      Human interface guidelines achieved! Well, more or less, most firmware flashing apps are not exactly user friendly, but I have not seen Apple's take on it.

      [1] ROM, etc. ROMs in phones are often times not actually read only. Thus the term firmware.
    7. Re:iTunes.... really? by mr_matticus · · Score: 1

      You've clearly never owned a smartphone. Plugging it into the computer is the way it's done. You install updates, ROM flashes, most third-party software, and do syncing and backup all through ActiveSync. It's a nice, proprietary application, too.

      Mac users were screwed until someone created a hack that would let them work. Early Vista adopters (myself included) were screwed until after the retail release because Sync Center, which replaced ActiveSync, didn't actually do anything like, you know, syncing. Windows Mobile 6 does allow for over-the-air patching, but cell phone providers will still likely provide 50-60MB ROM images on their sites which require an actual computer to run--there isn't enough RAM to unpack and handle the installer for updates. Small patches delivered via CAB files are certainly one advantage to WM6.

      What about Palm, which required Palm syncing software for the longest time? It was arbitrary and proprietary, too. Sony-Ericcson? Same deal.

      The reality is that portable devices like this can't manage complete updates on their own. They can't stand alone all the time. You've still not addressed pre-update syncing and backup and how the device could handle restoring itself.

    8. Re:iTunes.... really? by syrinx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      when's the last time you saw a story of a non-Mac-fanboi ditching their Blackberry for an iPhone

      I assume "never", since according to you anyone who did ditch their Blackberry for an iPhone would, by definition, be a "Mac-fanboi".

      No true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.

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    9. Re:iTunes.... really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are describing enterprise level services. Something that the iPhone is not ready for.

    10. Re:iTunes.... really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As stated in another thread. I can issue OTA software updates to every person with a Blackberry where I work with a few clicks of a mouse. You can basically change any setting and update the unit remotely including the OS and perform deactivation/initial activation. We do this frequently.

      It CAN be done. Maybe not by Apple though.

    11. Re:iTunes.... really? by Com2Kid · · Score: 1

      As stated in another thread. I can issue OTA software updates to every person with a Blackberry where I work with a few clicks of a mouse. You can basically change any setting and update the unit remotely including the OS and perform deactivation/initial activation. We do this frequently.


      The update is therefore technically delivered by the "user", the corporation. Blackberries differ in that the owner is typically a company. Companies can send out messages to all their employees who have one: "Be sure to have your Blackberry phone in an area where you receive good reception between 9:00am and 9:30am this coming Monday, we will be rolling out an update."

      Especially since Blackberries are so closely tied to corporations internal networks, weighing the costs of bricking a device versus exposure of sensitive data will almost always come down in favor of protecting the data and maybe having a small chance of killing a few phones.

      The iPhone (and most cell phones for that matter) are not intended for corporate use. As such, the data that they deal with is typically not sensitive[1], and phone updates can wait until the user is able to safely tether the device.

      Also it becomes a UI issue. iPhone = Good UI. Disrupting the user from making calls for some random update is not a good practice. Blackberry = Good Corporate Citizen. Security first.

      [1]On the same scale that corporate data is. There are even federal laws that deal with the consequences for allowing a foreign competitor to acquire proprietary information due to lack of proper security practices.
  38. In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by gig · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is the first time ever that a vulnerability has been found in a smart phone and it's been patched ahead of the public demo of the exploit.

    There is this meme that the iPhone is not ready for the enterprise because it doesn't have MAPI and special I-T management tools. Yet here we have the first vulnerability in the iPhone and it is promptly patched through a system that will distribute the patches very quickly and easily. A stark contrast to other mobiles. There are multiple holes in Symbian and of course Windows Mobile that remain completely unpatched. Nobody knows when that is going to change. For all the enterprise bluster around those systems they are not patching zero-day exploits.

    There are many reasons that the Mac is more secure than Windows, but a big reason is that OS X is such a moving target. Every quarter for 5 years there has been a new version which updates itself automatically. Exploits are made less valuable not just because of the smaller user base than Windows, but also because of the short shelf life of each OS version. The vast majority of Mac users are using the very latest OS and have all the patches applied even though the vast majority of Mac users have no I-T staff and no I-T skills.

    When the iPhone first shipped and people started hacking it, there was a lot of talk then that every hack may be temporary, a software update could come down through iTunes at any time and reset the game. There is nothing like that protecting any other mobile.

    1. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yet here we have the first vulnerability in the iPhone and it is promptly patched through a system that will distribute the patches very quickly and easily.


      Quickly and easily? That's crap, and you know it. Quickly and easily would be for the iPhone to update over the air, like the T-Mobile Sidekick does. Having to connect the device to a PC running iTunes isn't "quick" or "easy".

      Tell me, how is IT is going to push patches to the device?

      How are users going to know to apply the patch? Maybe we should send a memo - but who will read it? What if users don't fire up iTunes frequently? What if they have disabled patching?

      How do we ensure compliance? What's to stop iPhone 1.0 users/devices from connecting and downloading sensitive data?

      Apple can't answer these questions because they've never handled deploying iPhones in a managed environment. As Apple deploys more devices in their own organization, I suspect their management tools will mature.

      There are multiple holes in Symbian and of course Windows Mobile that remain completely unpatched.


      Oh, really? Because so far I'm counting zero. That's not to say that there aren't any, but I have never seen any attack on Windows Mobile other than a proof-of-concept.

      There is this meme that the iPhone is not ready for the enterprise because it doesn't have MAPI and special I-T management tools.


      The iPhone isn't ready for the enterprise because you can't manage it. You can't force users to use a PIN (BlackBerry/Windows Mobile can), you can't encrypt the contents of the device (BlackBerry/Windows Mobile can), and you can't remotely wipe the device (BlackBerry/Windows Mobile can).

      Here's a pop quiz - the CFO's iPhone is lost/stolen. What do you do?

      There are many reasons that the Mac is more secure than Windows, but a big reason is that OS X is such a moving target.


      Bullshit. Mac OS X is fundamentally unchanged from when Tiger came out two years ago. By your logic, we should count every Microsoft update rollup as a "new version". Even major new versions of Mac OS leave most of the OS unchanged.

      The vast majority of Mac users are using the very latest OS and have all the patches applied even though the vast majority of Mac users have no I-T staff and no I-T skills


      You have no idea how patching works in IT. We don't necessarily WANT users to have "all the patches applied", at least not right away. IT needs to control patch delivery to limit compatibility issues. Or do you believe that patches never break anything?

      When the iPhone first shipped and people started hacking it, there was a lot of talk then that every hack may be temporary, a software update could come down through iTunes at any time and reset the game. There is nothing like that protecting any other mobile.


      Windows Mobile 6 devices can be patched over the air, and patch delivery can be managed with a variety of third-party tools. Thus far it has not been particularly necessary. We live in a world of differnet devices running different software. Attacking mobile devices doesn't make sense.

      Our CTO has an iPhone. He also carries a BlackBerry. Pretending the iPhone is ready for the business environment doesn't make it so.
    2. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Quickly and easily? That's crap, and you know it. Quickly and easily would be for the iPhone to update over the air, like the T-Mobile Sidekick does. Having to connect the device to a PC running iTunes isn't "quick" or "easy".

      It is, if you have a PC or mac??? I found it quick and easy. OTA might be a little nicer, but given that I sync once a day or so for calendar updates and other refreshes, it's easy enough.

      Tell me, how is IT is going to push patches to the device?

      The whole point was they don't need to, because it's easily handled by the user. Less IT work is a good thing, if you can just release your claws a little from grasping everything that comes within reach.

      How are users going to know to apply the patch?

      Software automatically prompts them to do so within seven days of the last check, so worst case in six days or so the last people should be updating the phones (unless they sync less frequently). Just like OS X updates, with 99% of the user population apply just fine with no IT involvement. I know the concept is just blowing your mind, but updates don't have to involve "support staff".

      What if they have disabled patching?

      You can't, though you could decline the update. But why would you? Remember, most users just hit "yes".

      How do we ensure compliance? What's to stop iPhone 1.0 users/devices from connecting and downloading sensitive data?

      Within a week there will be no iPhone 1.0 devices. You aren't getting the Big Picture here.

      Here's a pop quiz - the CFO's iPhone is lost/stolen. What do you do?

      What you can. Here's the kicker - this is true of your CFO right now, regardless of your feelings! So what are YOU doing other than putting your head in the sand? When have CFO's ever really been "managed" anyway?

      Bullshit. Mac OS X is fundamentally unchanged from when Tiger came out two years ago.

      Illusion! All those security updates, with patches to sshd and the like - they were all figments!

      You have no idea how patching works in IT. We don't necessarily WANT users to have "all the patches applied", at least not right away. IT needs to control patch delivery to limit compatibility issues. Or do you believe that patches never break anything?

      More sand-holing. How sad. Learn to deal, you have seven days before everyone is patched, figure it out if something doesn't work - but then again, since you can't install your own software anyway what exactly would break again?? Since you aren't doing the updates why are you taking support calls for the thing? Point them to Apple.

      Presumably when third party software arrives, it will keep in step with iPhone updates just as software does with OS X updates.

      Windows Mobile 6 devices can be patched over the air, and patch delivery can be managed with a variety of third-party tools.

      Oh, you're one of THOSE people. No wonder the big picture is so elusive to you. You've forgotten who you serve.

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      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    3. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The vast majority of Mac users are using the very latest OS and have all the patches applied even though the vast majority of Mac users have no I-T staff and no I-T skills.

      I don't think the "vast majority" are using 10.4.10. I work in, well I don't need to say where, but I see dozens of Apple machines a week and they run the gamut from 10.2.1 to the latest. There are still a lot of PowerPC machines in use (and I mean a lot) and easily 1/3 to 1/2 are still running 10.3.

      Yes, many Mac owners use the automatic software update (though I wouldn't myself, since occasionally an update will cause trouble on a random machine, I prefer to wait a few days to get reports and then do it manually.) But just as many use whatever OS was on the computer when they bought it, only updating when an app they need requires them to. I don't even blame them really, if you have say a G4 iBook running well under Panther there's no need to purchase Tiger.

      (As a side note I think the lack of concern about viruses means many Mac owners don't bother updating at all, or they play "catch up" every few updates or so. But that's just a theory.)

    4. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by prockcore · · Score: 1

      This is the first time ever that a vulnerability has been found in a smart phone and it's been patched ahead of the public demo of the exploit.


      And smartphones have been running Windows for 7 years now... no vulnerabilities. I fail to see how that is anything but a huge win for Microsoft.
    5. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by jrumney · · Score: 1

      There are multiple holes in Symbian and of course Windows Mobile that remain completely unpatched. Nobody knows when that is going to change.

      Anyone who has done the smallest amount of investigation into the smartphone platforms will know that OTA updates are a standard part of Windows Mobile 6. So somebody does know when it is going to change.

    6. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by Heembo · · Score: 0, Troll

      Tell me, how is IT is going to push patches to the device?

      The whole point was they don't need to, because it's easily handled by the user.

      This is, by far, the most ignorant security comment on Slashdot I have ever read. You are a fool sir, at least when it comes to security.
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    7. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by chrb · · Score: 1

      It is, if you have a PC or mac??? I found it quick and easy. OTA might be a little nicer, but given that I sync once a day or so for calendar updates and other refreshes, it's easy enough. Yes, updating is easy if you're a geek. The GP's point was that Apple is marketing the Iphone to non-geeks. There are employees out there with company phones who never sync.. with OTA, they would be updated too.

      The whole point was they don't need to, because it's easily handled by the user. Less IT work is a good thing, if you can just release your claws a little from grasping everything that comes within reach. You must have never worked in enterprise IT support. Hypothetical questions: if you're rolling out an update to 10000 users, do you a) update a few devices, test that everything still works with your software, your intranet web pages, etc., and once the problems are ironed out, do an automatic wide update or b) let users update whenever they want, and possibly break access to all the apps they rely on every day?

      Illusion! All those security updates, with patches to sshd and the like - they were all figments! opensshd is not OS X. Some bugs have been fixed since two years ago. The fundamental operating system is unchanged.

      More sand-holing. How sad. Learn to deal, you have seven days before everyone is patched, figure it out You really have never worked in IT support. Question: an update breaks a legacy intranet app that your sales team rely on every single day. Some of the sales team are broken on day 0, some later. You don't have 7 days, you have 0 days. What if the intranet app was coded by some contractors, or the offsite running is contracted out? You can't just fix every problem instantly!

      Since you aren't doing the updates why are you taking support calls for the thing? Point them to Apple. You have no idea. Can you imagine actually doing this in an enterprise support environment? Telling users to sod off and talk to Apple themselves? You'd probably be fired, and possibly no more Apple devices for staff...

      Oh, you're one of THOSE people. No wonder the big picture is so elusive to you. You've forgotten who you serve. The ability to manage updates is essential to large enterprises. It's not a Microsoft thing. Have you ever heard of Red Hat Network? Or Novell Zenworks? Probably not.
    8. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It is, if you have a PC or mac??? I found it quick and easy. OTA might be a little nicer, but given that I sync once a day or so for calendar updates and other refreshes, it's easy enough."

      Hmm so you have to be near another computer to sync your information as well ? I am trying to think far back enough to when I had a "smart" phone that required that. What if I am away from my PC for a week, or 3 days..how erm 2001

      The rest of us have moved on from that desktop sync model years ago.

    9. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, thats the way to do it. Everybody keep the old versions with hacks on the loose. Seriously, the only thing that can break on an iPhone is web pages. Almost all of which have fuck all Active X crap in them. Which makes them broken already for the iPhone! Not like users haven't been updating iPods on all their own for years without any IT intervention though. Ya know, it's sooo hard clicking yes, and following plain english directions that say to leave the device alone.

      Don't worry man, IT wasn't meant to be a non-moving, easy going, gravy train. Allowing the users to do things themselves is a good thing. They even learn something in the process often times! We all are insecure at times when the user learns something, and the need for our job (one more piece of controller software) lessens by one bit. The good news is that as they learn more they usualy want to do more which ends up just providing us with more do learn, and do ourselves.

      As long as your not the bottom rung you should have no problems. If you are...well what the hell are you doing in IT anyways?

    10. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      hat if I am away from my PC for a week, or 3 days
      "Erm", you could always, I dunno, wait until you get home to conduct the sync? It's not like your iPhone stops working if you don't run the patch NOW. And if you are half as important as you think you are, you probably already have a laptop with you, no?
    11. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...IT needs to control patch delivery to limit compatibility issues. Or do you believe that patches never break anything?"

      IT folks sure can get full of themselves, can't they? You know, patching of computers and other devices happens all the time outside the enterprise, and it's typically not a problem. Most of the trouble I've seen related to patches in the enterprise was a result of compatibility problems with applications created by IT. Apparently, IT is where one ends up when one lacks the skills to create professional software. Our IT department is very much locked into a particular version of IE, primarily because they lack the competence to build to standards.

      IT needs to control, IT knows what's best, trust IT. Yeah, right.

    12. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You can't force users to use a PIN (BlackBerry/Windows Mobile can), you can't
      > encrypt the contents of the device (BlackBerry/Windows Mobile can), and you
      > can't remotely wipe the device (BlackBerry/Windows Mobile can).

      WTFH!!!! Really?

      Well, you made MY next phone purchase decision easier, at least. I message on-the-go and use enough mobile internet that I was considering getting a Pearl or Blackjack in a couple of months. But is some 5kR197 K1dD13 can easily brick the thing remotely, not a chance.

      So I guess it's either a Sidekick or an iPhone...

    13. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by goodmanj · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The "moron"-level user, which IT security nazis seem to spend all their time worrying about, docks his iPhone every day or two. He does this to charge it, and to get his music, calendars, contacts, etc synced with his computer. Whenever he does this, he will automatically get the update. Unless he clicks "don't update". If you're worried about users rejecting updates, you should worry about them trying to swallow the phone too.

      People have complained about how the iPhone is tethered to a desktop computer. Not only is this not a hassle -- you need to plug it into something to charge it anyway, why not your computer? -- but it builds a useful habit in the user: software updates will happen automatically whenever it's docked.

      Here's an analogy for you. Imagine a mobile device is like a car. If you're not driving an iPhone, you need to go to three separate service stations for gas, for minor maintenance, and to get major repairs. On iPhone, you pull in for gas, and an army of attendants come out to check your oil, wash the windows, and oh by the way, there's a recall out on your airbag, would you like us to fix that real quick for ya? If you're not on an iPhone, best-case scenario is a tow truck pulls you over on the highway and fixes your airbag on the roadside. Worst-case is, you don't find out there's a recall until it's too late.

      Or do you believe that patches never break anything? Maybe they do on Windows, but I have never, *ever* had a security patch break something on my Mac. Not once.
    14. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by SilentChris · · Score: 1

      To be honest I'm a little frightened that your post was rated +5 Insightful. It's very clear that you don't work in a corporate environment and don't understand what the OP is driving at.

      When a user has a problem, WE'RE the support. Not Dell, not Apple, etc. Us. When an executive can't print, we don't tell them to call HP. When the CEO wrecks his home machine downloading spyware, we drive to his house and fix it. I wish this wasn't the case sometimes, but this is how IT support works in large environments (my company in particular has 10s of thousands of users).

      Software patches DO break stuff. Often. I've pushed out thousands of patches across multiple OSes and devices over the years (computers, phones, printers, etc). Usually it's unintentional, but anytime a bug fixes a vulnerability or a library gets updated, some important app somewhere is going to get screwed.

      When you have 10s of thousands of users, you have to maintain control. All boxes report to update servers of one kind or another. Every time an update gets released, it goes into a "holding" area where we regression test it across several dozen OS builds with varying degrees of apps. Only after everything in the matrix is checked does it get pushed out.

      Our phones, in particular, are managed by a BES (Blackberry server). Anytime an update is available, it's tested across Blackberry models before getting pushed out. We never allow our users to update devices themselves.

      Let me give you a recent example of how important it is maintain control (and how Apple's current scheme for iPhones wouldn't work in today's corporations): the time zone change. From the time congress officially approved the change to the time we had to implement it, thousands of phones needed to be updated. In particular, calendar apps became a nightmare. Now, imagine we have no idea of telling what users have updated their phones, whether the patch installed correctly, etc (e.g. they all have iPhones). Now, picture the day of the change. The cost of hundreds of users (including some executives that make billion-dollar transactions) calling the helpdesk simultaneously would FAR outweigh the costs of properly testing and deploying the patch.

      At it stands right now, no corporation would distribute iPhones without some key changes: real Exchange support, remote manageability, remote updates. My corporation has outright banned the devices. I personally own one and love it (I use it everyday) but I can't in all honesty recommend it for my business.

    15. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by goodmanj · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The whole point was they don't need to, because it's easily handled by the user. Less IT work is a good thing, if you can just release your claws a little from grasping everything that comes within reach. If I can jump on the bandwagon again here, let me tell you a story.

      Once upon a time, in the distant '80s, there was a large research lab. This lab did a lot of work with computers. The computers of the day were giant VAXen which filled a basement room, with tentacles reaching out to terminals in users' offices throughout the building. The computers was complicated and confusing, and an army of highly trained, very smart support people worked on them. These high priests and acolytes lurked in the basement, worshipping the VAX god and interpreting its prophecies to the users. They did this job well.

      But the users looked at the sacrifices they were making to the VAX god and its acolytes, and realized, "I can get much more done with far less money if I buy a small workstation for my office." The priests in the basement said, "but we won't be able to control and service the machine. What will you do when it breaks?" The users replied, "I'll buy a new one. They cost as much as two days of your salary." Lo, the priests in their basement temple feared for their jobs, feared that their great god, the source of their power, would be lost forever.

      The priests were right, up to a point. The workstation users discovered viruses, and hackers, and spam, and the rest of the ten plagues of the Internet. They learned to do some of the work the priests once did on the VAX. But the new workstations were so much cheaper, and so much easier to use and maintain, that they found it a fair trade. The great VAX was cast out of the basement, and died the sad death of all forgotten gods, but the priests met a happier ending. The eldest took a generous early retirement; the neophytes re-trained, and learned to serve the new pantheon of desktop workstations. By letting go, by giving up their ability to control and manage and dominate, the priests made their users happier and more productive, and saved the lab a hell of a lot of money. ...

      Then, one day, in the empty, dusty temple where the VAX god was once worshipped, the first Beowulf clusters sprouted. And as they grew and spread their tentacles, a new breed of priests arose to serve them...
    16. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by Darth · · Score: 1


      Hmm so you have to be near another computer to sync your information as well ? I am trying to think far back enough to when I had a "smart" phone that required that. What if I am away from my PC for a week, or 3 days..how erm 2001

      The rest of us have moved on from that desktop sync model years ago.


      uh...maybe this is a stupid question, but what device are you syncing information on your phone with?

      When it comes to phones, i'm not really a "power user". I make calls and store contact information in mine, but i don't store that info anywhere else so i never have a need to sync it with anything. Other than your computer, what are you syncing your phone's data with?

      --
      Darth --
      Nil Mortifi, Sine Lucre
    17. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      To be honest I'm a little frightened that your post was rated +5 Insightful. It's very clear that you don't work in a corporate environment and don't understand what the OP is driving at.

      Actually I have and I do, and I very much understand what is going on here compared to "traditionally" supported devices like WIndows Mobile units.

      When a user has a problem, WE'RE the support. Not Dell, not Apple, etc. Us. When an executive can't print, we don't tell them to call HP. When the CEO wrecks his home machine downloading spyware, we drive to his house and fix it. I wish this wasn't the case sometimes, but this is how IT support works in large environments (my company in particular has 10s of thousands of users).

      Of course. But all of that is irrelevant in terms of what the iPhone supports or does not support, because all that happens anyway! At least the iPhone offers you a fighting chance that the exec may in fact update his own phone, and not bother you about it. That's how simple the updates are.

      Software patches DO break stuff. Often. I've pushed out thousands of patches across multiple OSes and devices over the years (computers, phones, printers, etc). Usually it's unintentional, but anytime a bug fixes a vulnerability or a library gets updated, some important app somewhere is going to get screwed.

      But at the moment, you can't install third party apps on the iPhone and so the greater likleyhood is that this will all still work because Apple is in charge of testing the updates. I know you feel uncomfortable letting that go, but why? What makes you think you can do any better job than Apple testing a closed system?

      Let me give you a recent example of how important it is maintain control (and how Apple's current scheme for iPhones wouldn't work in today's corporations): the time zone change. From the time congress officially approved the change to the time we had to implement it, thousands of phones needed to be updated. In particular, calendar apps became a nightmare. Now, imagine we have no idea of telling what users have updated their phones, whether the patch installed correctly, etc (e.g. they all have iPhones). Now, picture the day of the change.

      The day of change all the iPhones worked without your intervention because APple released a patch about a month beforehand. Don't you realize that in fact Macs had to address that very issue, and through software updates did in fact fix just about every Mac on the planet well beforehand?

      At it stands right now, no corporation would distribute iPhones without some key changes

      I agree corporations are too fearful to deploy them. What I am saying is that they are there, and you should be less fearful than you are of what that means - or at least understand in what ways you do have control to react to issues, and to what degree you should in fact say the company supports use of the device.

      For now they do in fact work quite well for Outlook calendar support, even if they don't integrate well with Exchange. Having access to calendars on the go is in fact very useful to a lot of people, in fact arguably more useful even than constant use of work email.

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    18. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Yes, updating is easy if you're a geek. The GP's point was that Apple is marketing the Iphone to non-geeks. There are employees out there with company phones who never sync.. with OTA, they would be updated too.

      Non-Geeks are easily updating the iPhone, just (as the other poster noted) millions of people do with iPods and Macs today. Why do you think updates HAVE to have support staff to be able to work them? My parents have managed many Mac updates without any intervention from me, because Apple updates are simple to apply and not risky.

      You must have never worked in enterprise IT support. Hypothetical questions: if you're rolling out an update to 10000 users, do you a) update a few devices, test that everything still works with your software, your intranet web pages, etc., and once the problems are ironed out, do an automatic wide update or b) let users update whenever they want, and possibly break access to all the apps they rely on every day?

      And you must be an idiot if you'd prefer a device that YOU have to test instead of a vendor. Why do you think companies buy COTS stuff? It's because it places a lot of burden of testing on the vendor. Yes you have to test some things in your environment but currently the iPhone is not really interacting with anything at a level that YOU need to test. Why do you think it's acceptable that phone updates have to be tested by YOU and not the phone maker?

      Furthermore, your assertion that you have tight control of other devices like Windows Mobile is a total joke from those who are familiar with users of them. What about the Black OS updates, and other customizations? The very notion that you have in fact tested Mobile updates at all for real world use is farcical.

      You have no idea. Can you imagine actually doing this in an enterprise support environment? Telling users to sod off and talk to Apple themselves? You'd probably be fired, and possibly no more Apple devices for staff...

      For execs of course you have to help them, just as you do with other supposedly "unsupported" devices. But for general users? They have to call vendors for support all the time. Why is APple not like other vendors, just because it's a phone. You have been tricked into thinking you must handle phone support.

      The ability to manage updates is essential to large enterprises.

      This fundamentally is mistaken thinking when applied generically, without thought as to specifics of devices. Yes some things need managed updates. But remember that phones are end-nodes in a giant tree, generally not production devices on which thousands of other moving parts depend.

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    19. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      You make it sound like palm and windows mobile is riddled with security exploits. Come on, admit it, this is you.

    20. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by SilentChris · · Score: 1

      Actually I have and I do, and I very much understand what is going on here compared to "traditionally" supported devices like WIndows Mobile units.

      We don't use Windows Mobile units. They are flaky from a stability standpoint and aren't as simple to use by executives as Blackberries. Not to mention, I wouldn't call them "traditionally supported" (no mobile device could be considered "traditionally supported" when it comes to updates -- you often don't know what devices are on the network, if they'll suddenly fall off the network during updates, etc).

      Of course. But all of that is irrelevant in terms of what the iPhone supports or does not support, because all that happens anyway! At least the iPhone offers you a fighting chance that the exec may in fact update his own phone, and not bother you about it. That's how simple the updates are.

      I don't think you understand how corporate updates work. I KNOW, when I check the update server, whether or not a given device has been updated. If I see something like "98% updated, 2% failed", I KNOW exactly what devices are behind in patches. I often KNOW, by looking at the server, WHY they failed (device off the network, download screwed up, etc). I also KNOW exactly where to send the techs so we can prempt any problems before they occur.

      With the iPhone, I know nothing. I don't know which devices are updated. I don't know who canceled their upgrades. I don't know when a user's iTunes will check for updates next. It's not even like Mac OS X where I can control it through ARD. I have absolutely no control over the devices that I'm supposed to be controlling.

      But at the moment, you can't install third party apps on the iPhone and so the greater likleyhood is that this will all still work because Apple is in charge of testing the updates. I know you feel uncomfortable letting that go, but why? What makes you think you can do any better job than Apple testing a closed system?

      I work at an advertising conglomerate. I support several thousand Macs. Actually, 40% of our userbase is Macs.

      APPLE MAKES MISTAKES. I know you might not want to hear this, but it's true. Example: there have been 5 updates to address Airport incompatibilities in the past year. There have been over a dozen to address Safari mistakes. And these aren't isolated bugs. These are updates to address the same bugs over and over, and sometimes to address bugs that they themselves created in the last patch.

      Now, picture yourself in an IT management system. Apple releases an Airport update. Do you a) blindly install the update and deal with the CEO calling from overseas the next day when he can't connect to the hotel WiFi? Or b) regression test the update on a dozen different models of G4 and Intel Macs you have on the floor.

      The day of change all the iPhones worked without your intervention because APple released a patch about a month beforehand. Don't you realize that in fact Macs had to address that very issue, and through software updates did in fact fix just about every Mac on the planet well beforehand?

      Ok, now I know you have no clue about the corporate world.

      First, like I mentioned, Apple patches occasionally break things. To call wireless "fixed on just about every Mac on the planet" after, say, the first Airport update would be ludicrous.

      Second, like I mentioned, not every Mac user understand they need to run updates as soon as they come out. Apple has said before that a lot of people out there are still running 2 or 3 point versions behind.

      Third, anyone who runs Macs on a large scale in a corporate environment is using ARD to push out updates -- not relying on Software Update roulette.

      I agree corporations are too fearful to deploy them. What I am saying is that they are there, and you should be less fearful than you are of what that means - or at least understand in what ways you do have control to react to issues, and to what degree you should in fact say the co

    21. Re:In Your Face "Enterprise" iPhone Bashers by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      With the iPhone, I know nothing. I don't know which devices are updated.

      Why does it matter. What do you NEED to know. There is a reason to know the patchlevel for other things in an enterprise - what is that reason for the iPhone?

      APPLE MAKES MISTAKES. I know you might not want to hear this, but it's true. Example: there have been 5 updates to address Airport incompatibilities in the past year. There have been over a dozen to address Safari mistakes. And these aren't isolated bugs. These are updates to address the same bugs over and over, and sometimes to address bugs that they themselves created in the last patch.

      Now, picture yourself in an IT management system. Apple releases an Airport update. Do you a) blindly install the update and deal with the CEO calling from overseas the next day when he can't connect to the hotel WiFi? Or b) regression test the update on a dozen different models of G4 and Intel Macs you have on the floor.


      Yes sometimes they make a mistake. But again, as I've said in countless other replies the iPhone is a different beast than a complex system like a laptop, where you might have installed any number of things that could break. The iPhone is, repeating myself, a closed system. If your microwave vendor releases a new version of the microwave do you test that before you put it in the kitchens?

      Ok, now I know you have no clue about the corporate world.

      And now I know you're just another overreacting bungling IT monkey. Now that we've both offended each other enough, can we move past the obviousness of each others carelessness and pay attention to arguments?

      I'm sorry, but you're again showing your ignorance here. Companies need Exchange support, not one facet of Outlook.

      Now I see the problem, you've forgotten that "companies" have "users". Users may or may not need Exchange support. Obviously the Company is not going to deploy this device to critical people who might require Exchange support. But this argument is not about that, it's about the fact that company employees are and will buy the iPhone and what can be done to help them.

      Again, come back when you're dealing with tens of thousands of users, not 5.

      Done. As in, been there, done that.

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  39. Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With my Newton Message Pad I could at least change the batteries when they got low. Those I know with iPhones are always paranoid about a place to plug in instead of just having a back-up battery in their bag. The battery issue is a real flaw.

  40. Re:NO CARRIER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Oh, shut up. It's obvious you didn't like it because it stomped your precious iPhone. It was used correctly, and was as good as ever.

  41. riiiight by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    because that song's not whiney a bit.

  42. Yes Dorthy by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    You could replace it anytime you liked, just like you could with iPods.

    I personally don't mind sending it to Apple in three years or so, when it's at 80% capacity... or I may not, as it is the battery is plenty enough for me.

    If you enjoy having to replace batteries more often just because you can, and having shorter battery life - more power to you (so to speak).

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  43. You mean UNIX? by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    It's got nothing to do with Newton, Palm, Pocket PC, Symbian/EPOC devices, or any other smartphone or PDA, because you can't run anything but Apple's software on it.

    Yeah, what a bummer it's just UNIX in a small form factor.

    Why don't you go rain all over the Zaurus user parade while you're at it?

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  44. Mod "Piano Man" up! by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    Sure it's a random troll, but you have to admit it's impressive that whoever did it managed the coordination between the multiple machines necessary to accomplish that.

    Of course, all subsequent trolls of the same type should be modded to -1, obviously.

    --

    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    1. Re:Mod "Piano Man" up! by empaler · · Score: 1

      Nah, saw one yesterday as well. Can't remember which article it was attached to, but at least they were all replies to the first post - easily hidden. Maybe it's just cleaning out cookies? Never checked how /. keeps you from reposting too often as AC, never really been an issue for me.

    2. Re:Mod "Piano Man" up! by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Slashdot keeps everyone from reposting too often by checking IP-addresses, I think. So in order to accomplish this, the troll has to have control of a number of machines (not behind the same NAT, either!) equal to the number of posts in the sequence.

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    3. Re:Mod "Piano Man" up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, you know, proxies. But yeah I'm sure the army of zombie pc's is more plausible ;)

    4. Re:Mod "Piano Man" up! by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Slashdot keeps everyone from reposting too often by checking IP-addresses, I think. So in order to accomplish this, the troll has to have control of a number of machines (not behind the same NAT, either!) equal to the number of posts in the sequence.

      Impressive - but unless they were iPhones, it is off-topic ;-)
      --

      Lars T.

      To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck

    5. Re:Mod "Piano Man" up! by tepples · · Score: 1

      Impressive - but unless they were iPhones, it is off-topic ;-) Even if one can get Billy Joel recordings on iTunes Store?
  45. Here's a way by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Informative

    When you are at the area you want to save, search for a road name visible on the map. Searches take place primarily in the area you are viewing, so if the road is small enough you'll get a pretty exact location you can bookmark to return to that area.

    If you use a major road name, the location chosen might be in the middle of the stretch of roadway, so try to use smaller streets if you can.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Here's a way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bwahahahaha...

  46. Do it when you're not expecting a phone call! by attemptedgoalie · · Score: 1

    If you receive a call in the middle of the update, it will probably crash, forcing a slow restore.

    Me? I'm bitter and lonely, I could update the phone on my birthday with no concerns.

    But normal people will probably want to do it later at night to prevent a painful experience.

    --
    My mom says I'm cool.
    1. Re:Do it when you're not expecting a phone call! by sydsavage · · Score: 1

      If that's true, wouldn't puting it in "I'm on a plane" mode before updating prevent that from happening?

    2. Re:Do it when you're not expecting a phone call! by e4g4 · · Score: 1

      Umm...I think it's highly unlikely that the radio will be on when the phone is being updated.

      --
      The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. - Albert Einstein
  47. update is only available through iTunes... by krischik · · Score: 1

    ... yet another reason not to buy an iPhone. Yes the competition need update software as well. But that is dedicated updated software. The competition won't force me to install an 50MB music player software I don't like to update my phone.

    Everytime I stand ion front of an Apple Mac I have great respect for the technology. But those buisiness and marketing descisions make me shake my head.

    Martin

    1. Re:update is only available through iTunes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Dude it's an iPhone, as in iTunes.



      Since syncing with iTunes is the whole point of the device, having iTunes installed (and using it as an update mechanism) is not an unreasonable burden.

    2. Re:update is only available through iTunes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering iTunes was required to activate your phone, you would have had to go through the process of uninstalling it, and then re-installing it in your case.

    3. Re:update is only available through iTunes... by lukas84 · · Score: 1

      I have an iPAQ Voice Messenger 510 - essentially a Windows Mobile 6 Smartphone.

      I don't have any software associated with this device on my laptop. It syncs directly over the air against my companies Exchange Server 2007. It retrieves my contacts, tasks, calender ond of course mails from it. Everything directly over the air, secured using SSL by either U:PW or Clientside certificates.

      It also retrieves company settings from the server, like the minimally required device password, remote wipe, etc. pp. from it.

      Software updates can either happen managed by the server too (this requires 3rd party software, though), or directly against Microsoft's Windows Update server. Again, all works over the air.

      The good thing? This device costs 200US$ without a contract. No, it doesn't have a nice screen. No, surfing the Web is a PITA.

      But Messaging & Calendaring work exceptionelly well, with no effort required.

  48. Phone update via music player by Philosomatographer · · Score: 1, Funny

    Am I the only one who thinks it's really silly that the only channel through which to update your phone (or, put in another way, your slightly-locked-down, general purpose hand-held computer and communications device) is... is... your MUSIC PLAYER!?

    (it is called itunes, no?)

    1. Re:Phone update via music player by djh101010 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Am I the only one who thinks it's really silly that the only channel through which to update your phone (or, put in another way, your slightly-locked-down, general purpose hand-held computer and communications device) is... is... your MUSIC PLAYER!?

      (it is called itunes, no?) Am I the only one who finds it amusing that people are so desperate to find something, anything, negative to say about the iPhone that they pick something like this to complain about? That, and if you're on a PC and going to sync an iPhone, which includes an iPod (needs iTunes), why would you want _another_ app to do the syncing of the stuff on the iPhone that isn't music? It's the most logical place for that functionality.
    2. Re:Phone update via music player by Philosomatographer · · Score: 0

      Am I the only Mac OS X user who has this little standard application (and framework) called iSync installed? Or is iSync actually the music management application, and iTunes is the synchronisation management application? Now I'm all confused!

    3. Re:Phone update via music player by dthable · · Score: 1

      Last time I used OS X (10.4), iSync just updated the contact, notes, calendar portion of the iPod (and most likely the iPhone) by reading the files off the device while mounted like a disc. The music sync still had to be done via iTunes. For a class project, I ended up writing my own sync agent using Python as described above.

      It's all a fairly silly argument. I mean, why do you need to Tools in Firefox to see the Options item? It's not really a tool and I'm so pissed about that. Or why do I need to open up My Computer to see network drives? They technically aren't part of MY computer. And......

    4. Re:Phone update via music player by Philosomatographer · · Score: 0

      My argument exactly! Good responsibility allocation is a lost art... I know iSync does what it does, but the point is, "iSync" should be responsible for "sync'ing", and if it's not up to the job, it should be improved or rewritten as such.

      But to clobber absolutely all this responsibility into iTunes is ridiculous - I mean, it must be the only music player in the world to contain features to activate a mobile telephone for a particular telephone network! Or to set up which calendars photo albums should be synchronised with your iPod. What a mess!

      (I am a happy iTunes user, but that's because there are no easily-set-up better options for me at this stage)

    5. Re:Phone update via music player by LKM · · Score: 1

      Windows does not have iSync. It does, however, have iTunes. Hence, Apple uses iTunes to sync all of your data to your iPhone, not only music.

    6. Re:Phone update via music player by Philosomatographer · · Score: 0

      That's the worst excuse for poor responsibility allocation I've ever heard! Nothing stops them from (transparently even) bundling a dedicated
      Synchronisation framework with iTunes. (Just like they transparently bundle Quicktime, which does the actual media decoding and playback for iTunes).

      Sorry, but to build all sorts of non-music-related synchronisation stuff into a *music player application* is the worst idea ever.

    7. Re:Phone update via music player by LKM · · Score: 1

      That's the worst excuse for poor responsibility allocation I've ever heard!

      For poor what???

      Nothing stops them from (transparently even) bundling a dedicated Synchronisation framework with iTunes. (Just like they transparently bundle Quicktime, which does the actual media decoding and playback for iTunes).

      Sure, but why would they? iTunes already syncs music anyway, why not copy a few more files? I think it would be preferrable if it used iSync on Macs, but come on, it's not as if it was any kind of big deal at all.

      Sorry, but to build all sorts of non-music-related synchronisation stuff into a *music player application* is the worst idea ever.

      The worst idea ever? Worse than pricing the PS3 at 600 bucks? Worse than invading Iraq? Worse than the first world war?

      On the scale of bad ideas, using iTunes to sync more than just music doesn't even register.

    8. Re:Phone update via music player by Philosomatographer · · Score: 0

      Umm... are you even in the field of software engineering at all?

      Otherwise, I can see how my comment would not quite fit into perspective for you. Responsibility allocation is one of the most important tenets of object-oriented analysis and design, and (apparently) the Apple team wasn't too strong on that front.

      Dude, this is slashdot... Yes, this *was* a worse idea than pricing the playstation at 600 bucks. (since I don't have any intention of buying one, but I am, however, an iTunes user)

    9. Re:Phone update via music player by LKM · · Score: 1

      Umm... are you even in the field of software engineering at all?

      Yeah. But nice implied insult there, congratulations.

      Otherwise, I can see how my comment would not quite fit into perspective for you. Responsibility allocation is one of the most important tenets of object-oriented analysis and design, and (apparently) the Apple team wasn't too strong on that front.

      I still have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe you'd care to explain instead of telling me that I have no clue.

      Dude, this is slashdot... Yes, this *was* a worse idea than pricing the playstation at 600 bucks.

      No, it's not, and I'm saying that as a PS3 owner. Using iTunes to sync the iPhone on both the Mac and Windows saved Apple money and made the user experience consistent. As I said, it may be a bit annoying for Mac users, but generally, it was the right thing to do for Apple.

    10. Re:Phone update via music player by Philosomatographer · · Score: 0

      First you tell me that you are in software engineering, then you tell me you *still* don't understand the single-responsibility principle? The insult was, ergo, not implied... Please look this up on google or wikipedia, or pick up a good design book, it really is quite important.

      What I *do not* understand, is how the heck your posts score 5 every time, yet I get no points. My karma sucks as it is, and I was hoping this little thread would pick it up somewhat. Sheesh.

    11. Re:Phone update via music player by LKM · · Score: 1

      What I *do not* understand, is how the heck your posts score 5 every time, yet I get no points. My karma sucks as it is, and I was hoping this little thread would pick it up somewhat. Sheesh.

      Possibly because you're an insulting Troll?

      No, in reality, you obviously do not understand how slashcode works. I think you're confused about the ratings. For somebody who insults others by questioning their software engineering knowledge (due to confusion you've, by the way, you've created yourself with your inane non-sequiturs), you're remarkably stupid.

      See, I can do the non-implied insults, too. And with that, I bid you goodbye.

    12. Re:Phone update via music player by Philosomatographer · · Score: 0

      I never though "the single responsibility principle" to be an inane non-sequitur, but rather a standard aspect of Object-Oriented design.

      You sir, may very well bid me goodbye, but I hereby proclaim the last word of this argument! Ha! Who's the troll now!

      (oh wait, probably still me)

  49. I'd like to add... by earnest+murderer · · Score: 1

    Quickly and easily? That's crap, and you know it. Quickly and easily would be for the iPhone to update over the air, like the T-Mobile Sidekick does. Having to connect the device to a PC running iTunes isn't "quick" or "easy".

    It is, if you have a PC or mac??? I found it quick and easy. OTA might be a little nicer, but given that I sync once a day or so for calendar updates and other refreshes, it's easy enough. Moreover, AT&T can't reliably deliver weather updates and barely gets web pages over it's network. A 7+ MB (or more in the case of Windows Mobile phones) is just not a workable method. Never mind the updates which require nuking all of the data on the phone (typical for WM patches). God help you if your battery goes dead in the process. Sure it would be nice, but when you've been eating shit sandwiches all of your life and someone hands you white bread with cheese and mayonnaise you don't hassle them for not grilling it for you.

    Bullshit. Mac OS X is fundamentally unchanged from when Tiger came out two years ago.

    Illusion! All those security updates, with patches to sshd and the like - they were all figments! He does have a point though, Apple patches some things because they must to save face. There are a lot (LOT) of gratuitous reproducible bugs, bad behaviors, and performance issues that have never been fixed. Almost none of which are documented on Apple's site. It is one of the area's Microsoft has really out-shined Apple.

    You have no idea how patching works in IT. We don't necessarily WANT users to have "all the patches applied", at least not right away. IT needs to control patch delivery to limit compatibility issues. Or do you believe that patches never break anything?

    More sand-holing. How sad. Learn to deal, you have seven days before everyone is patched, figure it out if something doesn't work - but then again, since you can't install your own software anyway what exactly would break again?? Since you aren't doing the updates why are you taking support calls for the thing? Point them to Apple. True that.

    Windows Mobile 6 devices can be patched over the air, and patch delivery can be managed with a variety of third-party tools. Great, so once MS publishes a patch and it works it's way through the OEM's system (if ever it does) and possibly the additional step/question of the carrier deciding they need to distribute it... you can patch over the air. Who cares, insisting on over the air patching implies an urgency that just does not exist. The argument over a cable is tantamount to arguing over which side of the roll should the toilet paper hang. It does not matter. Just go plug the fucker in.
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    Platform advocacy is like choosing a favorite severely developmentally disabled child.
    1. Re:I'd like to add... by DaggertipX · · Score: 1

      I agreed with you up until the comment on the toliet paper - it should always hang over, never under. Under is just obnoxious.

  50. Re:iPhone is the new PSP? by bsane · · Score: 1

    So wait- if Apple release security updates they're evil?

    If they don't patch security holes, what are they then? evil, incompetent, both?

    Is Linus evil? Every new kernel he throws out there potentially breaks my custom super secret kernel module!!

  51. In other news by wanted · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft relased Service Pack 15 for Windows 2000. News at 11.

    Seriously, are we going to make a story out of every point release of iPhone's firmware?

    1. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, we probably will.

    2. Re:In other news by dspyder · · Score: 1

      Seriously, are we going to make a story out of every point release of iPhone's firmware?
      No, but we ARE going to make a big deal out of the first patch ever of a phone many of us are actively trying to hack. Seriously.
  52. Re:Copy/paste (and take the "Phone" out of iPhone) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mine wasn't a phone for about 24 hours (and didn't bother to tell me)

    I wonder if HTC patented that feature, because they had it first.

  53. iPhone update by Ryandav · · Score: 1

    the phone works well after the update, and does actually already show signs of improvement in performance. To some extent, I got around the crashing with reboots and recharges, or just used it in different ways. In the time spent this evening, it has not dropped to the main screen once. More remains to be seen, but this is what I was waiting for. The first proof that Apple is going to follow a proper release and update cycle.

    It's obvious when you use the iPhone for a while that there are unfinished features or placeholders. Apple as a company has a history of this type of behavior with OSX, as-of-yet unrevealed features will be played out when it suits them to stoke demand and news coverage. Ringtones, anyone?

    Does this break the current hacks out in the wild, how will the response from the community go, these types of questions will take time to properly answer. I look forward to it!

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  54. That explains it.. by Tap13579 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I was wondering where all the kids are on slashdot that like to post obscenities on comments/forums.. until I found the Threshold combo box. Nice little feature. Keeps me sane. *click* "1:105 comments" Praise the .. lord?

  55. MOD PARENT THE HELL UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We get a song troll and they pick "The Piano Man"?

    Jesus Effing Christ, they couldn't have picked Search and Destroy or Your Pretty Face Has Gone To Hell?

    I'm so ashamed, I'm going to post this AC.

    1. Re:MOD PARENT THE HELL UP! by dthable · · Score: 1

      Pick Jessica from the Allman Brothers. It would make for less postings and save time.

  56. Not a Troll by dreamchaser · · Score: 0, Troll

    I am constantly amazed at the moderation when it comes to anything about Apple. Parent is most certainly not trolling, and seems to show a lot of understanding about how a corporate environment needs to manage mobile devices.

    This is an apples and oranges discussion though, since the iPhone was never *meant* to be used in a corporate environment. Apple wouldn't even sell them to people with AT&T business accounts.

    Anyways, parent should have been modded +5 Informative, since the statements were quite accurate, if not what fanbois wanted to hear.

    1. Re:Not a Troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, the mods proved your point.

  57. Spin it, baby! by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 1

    There is this "meme" spreading that the iPhone is a general purpose computer that could be useful to an enterprise.

    Did they patch that flaw?

    (And please provide links to these ZOMG 0-day SPLOITZ! I have a great need to take over phones and bring down the network. HACK THE PLANET!)

  58. Don't Fool Yourself by stewbacca · · Score: 1

    ...you aren't half as interesting as you think you are.

  59. Re:NO CARRIER by qualidafial · · Score: 1

    I don't own an iPhone. Security holes are security holes and poking fun of them is always fair game. However, the joke was clueless and unfunny. Sorry. Original poster here. Funny or unfunny is a matter of opinion, and you're entitled to yours. Clueless, no. I started programming when I was 10, back in the days of the 8086. Shortly before you started wearing adult diapers for incontinence.

    I was logging into BBS's during their heyday as a teenager. I used to write scripts to play the chat room games for me—not macros, automated scripts. The fact that you inferred me to be ignorant of the distinction between modems, GSM, and Wi-Fi technologies based on a *joke* just makes you a mirthless wet blanket. Maybe you shouldn't assume the worst in people. (Then again, this is Slashdot.)

    NO CARRIER wasn't a perfect fit, but it didn't matter. It's a joke, Mr. Spock.

    And by the way, I do own an iPhone, and I actually did post the original message from it.
  60. Reject iTunes, reject iPhone, buy what instead? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Dude it's an iPhone, as in iTunes. Right, but if I don't buy music on iTunes Store...

    Since syncing with iTunes is the whole point of the device Then what should I buy instead of an iPhone? Specifically, what device is designed to browse the World Wide Web over a mobile phone connection, like in Apple's "it's not kinda-sorta the Internet; it is the Internet, on your phone" TV spot, but is not designed to play music that carries FairPlay DRM?
    1. Re:Reject iTunes, reject iPhone, buy what instead? by wtmcgee · · Score: 1

      Thank god I found that sweet hack that lets me play mp3 files, regular AAC files, wav files, and a host of other non-drm'd files on my iPhone and every iPod ever.

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  61. Re: Not the only changes by CmdrPorno · · Score: 1

    After updating, my iPhone has a new bookmark for "View your AT&T Wireless Account." I hope those spammers at AT&T burn in hell.

    --
    Sent from my iPhone
  62. Who is more ignorant by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is, by far, the most ignorant security comment on Slashdot I have ever read. You are a fool sir, at least when it comes to security.

    What I am is a security REALIST. What I realize is that people are "in UR Enterprize iPhoneinating UR Network". So who is more ignorant, the one who thinks about how this device can fit in as-is because it's going to anyway even if you don't want it, or someone who whines about lack of IT controlled updates and pretends like it's not already affecting you.

    Welcome to real world security. Here's a Q-tip for that sand in your ears.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Who is more ignorant by Heembo · · Score: 1

      Look man, first of all I should have answered your post in a more polite and respectful way, my apologies.

      I submit that you cannot trust a user to patch anything unless it is done automagically. With Windows mobile and nokia enterprise class phones, you can force an update and/or wipe the entire phone remotely without user intervention (or even knowledge!). With the iPhone, you depend on user interaction. That's normally considered a poor security posture, even for security realists.

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    2. Re:Who is more ignorant by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      I agree that you cannot remotely destroy the phone and contents, leading to potential issues with data loss. But consider the current capabilities of the phone:

      1) You cannot load files on it.
      2) It holds only a small buffered "window" of email on it (not years worth of email), and requires a call to the server to fetch contents for each email.
      3) Calendar entries transferred from outlook do not transfer documents.
      4) Passwords are not stored on the device, the closest thing you have is that cookies are maintained from browsing sessions.

      So, if you lose the device why do you need to wipe it remotely? Contacts and calendar entries and a few emails they can see summaries for but not read and thus not access attachments, are not really as great a risk even as random files stored on the device. The potential risk of significant loss is small, and lowered even more if you can convince people to use a password lock to access the device (which cannot be made mandatory and probably will not be widely followed, but then you just need to get key people to adhere anyway).

      As some capabilities are added that stance might have to be looked at again, but it's not like companies don't already have that problem with other devices today like thumb drives or iPods that hold files. In the face of any number of ways to transfer important data out of the enterprise the only weapon of significance you have left is policy, to tell people that while they can, there are classes of documents that must not be stored or accessed off a server and they can and will be fired if they do so, then help people recognize what data those rules apply to.

      That's where I'm coming from with a security realist posture, that the iPhone is a lot less worse than other problems that already exist and that much of the degree of control IT is looking to have over the iPhone simply does not seem needed to maintain a healthy level of risk as the device stands. If in fact Apple has made it easy to apply security patches and users do so, that's even better than IT having to be the ones to try and make that happen by force.

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      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    3. Re:Who is more ignorant by Heembo · · Score: 0

      So, if you lose the device why do you need to wipe it remotely? Defense in depth, the cornerstone of security. You may have cached web pages, cookies CAN leave important stuff (like session information), contact lists, email server connectivity information, etc.

      If in fact Apple has made it easy to apply security patches and users do so, that's even better than IT having to be the ones to try and make that happen by force. I disagree. You cannot trust a user when it comes to security. You need to do it by force. IT needs to control security, not your end user.
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    4. Re:Who is more ignorant by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Defense in depth, the cornerstone of security. You may have cached web pages, cookies CAN leave important stuff (like session information), contact lists, email server connectivity information, etc.

      Defense in depth is important, but so is letting the company and users function. Again potential loss of information on the iPhone is not worth an edict (that you cannot enforce anyway) proclaiming users cannot use them.

      I disagree. You cannot trust a user when it comes to security. You need to do it by force. IT needs to control security, not your end user.

      Then you (or your company) are already doomed, because what you say is not practical for everything.

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      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    5. Re:Who is more ignorant by Heembo · · Score: 1

      Then you (or your company) are already doomed, because what you say is not practical for everything. Security is not practical. Quite the opposite. Bill Gates keeps saying that security should be invisible, but you see his track record. But really, it depends on your risk. For some companies, the iPhones' security posture is ok. For some, no way. Overall, I think enterprise phones from Nokia are years ahead of the iPhone when it comes to security. We are going to have to agree to disagree.

      When I first held an iPhone in my hand, I was in awe at the leap in UI for a phone. Mommy, I want one! There are a lot of great things about the iPhone. There I said it.
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    6. Re:Who is more ignorant by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Security is not practical.

      Impractical security is not secure, because users will route around it.

      I know because I have been at both ends of the fight.

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      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    7. Re:Who is more ignorant by Heembo · · Score: 1

      What happen to being the security realist, Kendall? I have to install a 3rd party firewall on my clients to be more secure, thats not convenient or practical. Same with installing virus protection. Same with Captas. And that is only scratching the surface. The reality is, you need to sacrifice convenience and practicality for security. Here is a reference that somewhat backs this claim: http://www.cio.com/article/102252/Security_Before_ Convenience_Say_Online_Bankers

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      Horns are really just a broken halo.
  63. Mod parent up! by ssstraub · · Score: 1

    Under is like hanging a picture on the wall with the backing facing out. Why would you do this?

    1. Re:Mod parent up! by earnest+murderer · · Score: 1

      Ha! This is true, but is irrelevant to yours or my dirty ass. I do not refuse to wipe simply because the toilet paper's orientation does not square with my world view. Nor I do not bother my host with such triviality. Time is short and the issue is so small.

      And just in case you didn't know (I was certainly pushing the realm of the obscure), the remark stems from countless letters to Dear Abby, Miss Manners etc. on the subject of hiding the tail (behind) or easy access (in front). The usual response (and my reason for using the analogy) being that concern over such a trivial mater belies a much more serious personality problem. Time spent worrying about the matter denies attention to much more serious issues.

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  64. Funny? by jgoemat · · Score: 1

    Can you really hack the iPhone to add custom ringtones? If so, can you give a URL? I would love to buy an iPhone after trying it out in the Apple Store, but the SMS notification tone is unacceptable. I get automated SMS notifications at night for problems at work, which need to be able to wake me up from a drunken stupor. I had to replace some of the the default "message tones" on my last LG CU500 to make that happen. The iPhone doesn't even let you change the tone at all, and it's a short, quiet beep with about 1/2 second of vibration.

    1. Re:Funny? by Anonymous+Freak · · Score: 1

      Yes, you can. If all you want is to add custom ringtones, you can use a simple app like iFuntastic. If you want to replace existing other sounds (like the SMS tone you mention,) you need more in depth methods.

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      The purpose of that site was not known.
  65. Re: Not the only changes by tmarthal · · Score: 1
    I haven't updated my phone yet, but I really wish that they would hotlink the Multimedia SMS messages auto-generated message.

    I sent you a multimedia message. You can view my message via the internet at viewmymessage.com using Msg ID [10 characters] Password lkj23j4lka


    The Msg ID is 10 characters with 2 numbers and 3 non-alphanumeric characters... for a really long one-off string that I do not care to remember.

    This is something that I wish AT&T and Apple would get together on!

  66. Not if you can't get a command line. by argent · · Score: 1

    Yeah, what a bummer it's just UNIX in a small form factor.

    If you can't get a command line (legitimately), it's not UNIX in any meaningful sense.

    Why don't you go rain all over the Zaurus user parade while you're at it?

    Why should I? The iPhone's not a Zaurus either.

    1. Re:Not if you can't get a command line. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      If you can't get a command line (legitimately), it's not UNIX in any meaningful sense.

      Serial port through the dock.

      Why should I? The iPhone's not a Zaurus either.

      But the Zaurus is also UNIX.

      Another poor mistaken soul failing to look beyond a GUI... I'm glad I am here to correct technically oblivious people such as yourself.

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  67. Ignorant of ignorance by Heembo · · Score: 1
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  68. You, in this case, would think wrong. by attemptedgoalie · · Score: 1

    There are multiple stories of people who were halfway through the update getting hosed by an inbound phone call.

    That would be a massive OOPS on Apple's part, and will surely be remedied in a future build. You and every other rational person on Earth would expect it to disable the radio. I'm guessing that they forgot. :-)

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    My mom says I'm cool.
  69. Shouldn't have used the hack by aardwolf64 · · Score: 1

    I bought and used a $10 program called iPhoneRingToneMaker that works without messing with my firmware. It simply copies the ringtone to some kind of folder on my iPhone. When I reboot the iPhone, voila! I installed the update, and no firmware reset was nessecary. :-)

  70. Hacked iPhone is a fools game. by argent · · Score: 1

    Serial port through the dock.

    Please read for content, goofball. You can't legitimately do anything with that command line. I'm better off with Linux on an iPaq plus a separate cellphone than you are with the bootleg debug console or ssh server that you voided your warranty and put your cellphone contract in jeopardy over.

    But the Zaurus is also UNIX.

    The Zaurus is *supported* UNIX.

    The iPhone is *unsupported* UNIX, and that's nothing new... I've had unsupported UNIX on a handheld for years.

    1. Re:Hacked iPhone is a fools game. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Sorry man but nothing is more UNIX that a serial based terminal interface.

      If you lock your keys in your car, does it stop being a car?

      What a maroon.

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      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  71. You have no idea what UNIX is. by argent · · Score: 1

    The serial console on the iPhone does not get you a shell, it gets you something akin to Open Firmware... something Apple has had since long before they were running UNIX. You also get the same interface from most routers and other network equipment, most minicomputers, many microcomputers other than Powermacs, gas pumps, automobile engine computers, and coffee machines. In fact, the kind of "serial based terminal interface" you' get from the iPhone is about as "not UNIX" as you can get over a serial port. To get a shell you have to install additional software on the iPhone to make the shell available. Apple goes to great lengths to make this impossible, and doing it violates your contract with AT&T and voids your warranty.

    If you are willing to give up cellphone service (and even if you can manage to do this without being detected for the moment, don't bet on keeping that capability) then you can turn your iPhone into a UNIX handheld. You can also turn your iPaq and half a dozen other handhelds into UNIX handhelds by installing NetBSD or Linux on them, and you've been able to do this for years.

    The fact that the iPhone has UNIX under the hood is irrelevant because you can not get to it without making your iPhone not an iPhone. To the typical user it's no more relevant that the fact that they can install Linux on their iPaq. They're not going to do it, and anyone who *is* going to do it doesn't need an iPhone to get to the same place. An old iPaq or a Zaurus is cheaper and you can actually get software for them. Hacking your iPhone is a party trick, not a useful tool.

  72. Video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well - Does the Update Enable Video Out to the TV,
    iChat VoIP Skype-like integration, voice dialing, and full Quicktime support,
    or is the iPhone still a $600 paperweight?