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Microsoft To Try Works As Adware

Several readers noted that Microsoft has announced plans to pre-install an ad-laden version of Works on some manufacturers' PCs in coming months. Works is Microsoft's lightweight docs-and-spreadsheets software. The manufacturers involved were not disclosed. The adware Works will come with a pre-installed cache of ads that will be refreshed when the machine is online. Microsoft will decide by mid-2008 whether it can afford to forgo the $40 normally charged for Works.

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  1. Switch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    [...]Microsoft has announced plans to pre-install an ad-laden version of Works on some manufacturers' PCs in coming months. [...]

    Can't think of a better reason to try Linux or Mac.
    Thanks, Microsoft!

    1. Re:Switch! by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or OpenOffice, for christ's sake. I mean, come on, MS Works doesn't even read MS Office documents. It doesn't have the features of a full office suite. There is absolutely no good reason to continue using this crap, even if it's free.

    2. Re:Switch! by Kpau · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've heard tell legends of small cults of people who actually use Works but during my decades of travels as an IT wizard, I've only encountered one who actually *used* it. Typically people only use it until they figure out it is mostly incompatible with the rest of the freaking world... even within Microsoft's world.

    3. Re:Switch! by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Funny

      I am usually an opponent for the use of OpenOffice stating it is a sub-par replacement for office... But as a replacement for MS Works. I would say use OpenOffice even without the Adds over Works. The only advantage I found with Works in College was a lot of Girls who wrote their paper in works needed it converted to a Doc or even .TXT format went to us geeks.

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    4. Re:Switch! by stevey · · Score: 2, Informative

      The last time I saw Works installed and being used actively was in the late 90's.

      Nowadays you sometimes see it as a "free bundle" with some cheap home PCs, the ones that don't come with office, but even there I can't imagine it being used for long.

    5. Re:Switch! by catbutt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't like defending Microsoft, but in this case....that's a reason to switch platforms, because you don't like an application that you don't have to use?

      Is it the ads that bother you? Slashdot is adware, you know.

      Personally, I'm happy to see Microsoft finding separate revenue streams for their apps, rather than just bundling them with Windows and claiming they are free. That would have been typical Microsoft....kill Google Docs by bundling something with the OS and covering its cost with the price of the OS.

    6. Re:Switch! by Bluesman · · Score: 5, Funny

      "a lot of Girls who wrote their paper in works needed it converted to a Doc or even .TXT format went to us geeks."

      Yeah, I've got a life size picture of that:

      Girl: "Can you convert my files for me? I have to go fool around with my boyfriend."
      Geek: "Sure!"

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    7. Re:Switch! by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sleeping with her boyfriend behind her back is better still tho. ;)

    8. Re:Switch! by j2fraser · · Score: 2, Informative

      Is it the ads that bother you? Slashdot is adware, you know.

      Not with Adblock!

    9. Re:Switch! by Inner_Child · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Say I did use MS Works. Why should I switch just because of the new adware? So that I may lose the use of other software thats not on Linux? If you use MS Works, chances are you don't use anything that can't be easily replaced in Linux. How many dedicated Photoshop users - to use your example - would actually drop back to something as crippled as MS Works to do anything?
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    10. Re:Switch! by catbutt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's ok, the rest of us will just look at more, bigger, more obtrusive ads to cover for you and the rest of the freeloaders.

      Really, it's ok, we don't mind.

    11. Re:Switch! by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, if a girl won't cheat on a guy with me, he must be hotter than me, and I gotta say, that's pretty damn hot.

    12. Re:Switch! by MadUndergrad · · Score: 2

      I would never have clicked on or bought anything from them anyhow, so why should I have to look at them?

  2. Why would anyone want Works anyway? by Sh00tingstar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    given that it's not a particularly functional package, and Open office is mature enough to offer most of what you need anyway. I think the adware-laden 'free' trials are one of the most irritating things about buying a new PC!

    1. Re:Why would anyone want Works anyway? by Tom9729 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A lot of people just don't know about OpenOffice. People will use this because they don't feel like paying for the full thing (MS Office). Sure, they'll mumble and groan about the ads and etcetera, but they'll use it.

      This is a great time for OpenOffice to get out there and let the common person know about them. Firefox had ads in the newspaper, why couldn't OOo?

      My only question is how long before we see ads in Windows.

    2. Re:Why would anyone want Works anyway? by brunascle · · Score: 2, Informative

      the Calc part.

    3. Re:Why would anyone want Works anyway? by confused+one · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why? because it costs 1/10 what Office costs. If you're a student and only need basic functionality, it's enough

    4. Re:Why would anyone want Works anyway? by misleb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A lot of people just don't know about OpenOffice. People will use this because they don't feel like paying for the full thing (MS Office). Sure, they'll mumble and groan about the ads and etcetera, but they'll use it.


      They'll use it until they find out (the hard way) that they can't share the resulting files with others. WEll, technically there is a Works to Word converter, but Microsoft, for some "strange" reason didn't see fit to include it in Office by default. I don't think Microsoft really wants people to use Works at all. They just want to get people using some Microsoft product and annoy them (with ads and document incompatibility) into "upgrading" to Office. Works is a gateway application.

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    5. Re:Why would anyone want Works anyway? by bilabrin · · Score: 4, Funny

      IMHO Works is garbage. Here's a list of progams I'd use as a text editor before I'd consider using Works again.

      Wordpad
      Notepad
      Paintbrush
      Pencil and paper.
      A sandy beach, a stick and a camera!

      Seriously, Works is a puchline!

    6. Re:Why would anyone want Works anyway? by JohnBailey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So we don't just whine about how commercialized Microsoft is. They know how to play to win. If open source wants to get ahead, it has to pick up on good ideas and make them better. You don't by any chance work in an advertising related business?

      The only good idea in this case is getting a free Office suite, even if it is not very good, and finding a crack that will cut out the ads. Otherwise it will be a good incentive to find a different app to do the same job.

      I agree the open source world needs to pick up on good ideas. And a great idea is to never touch adware with a very long barge pole.
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    7. Re:Why would anyone want Works anyway? by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful
      given that it's not a particularly functional package

      MS Works appeals to home users who want to do some very ordinary, everyday things, without a lot of hassle. Print a greeting card, a poster for a garage sale.

      The Print Shop has been around for twenty years.

      But I've yet to see an open source replacement for this ageless "killer app" on any platform.

  3. Just what the world needs... by rbochan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even more people using a program that saves to proprietary formats that can't be used by other programs.
    Sigh.

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  4. Have they ever managed to sell works? by also-rr · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm pretty sure *I* have a free CD somewhere here, and I have never bought a computer with Windows on it. Maybe it came free with my digital watch.

    With some irony it isn't even a useful office suite for homework as it can't (or couldn't when I was 17) handle 'industry standard office files' - as required by UK schools.

    1. Re:Have they ever managed to sell works? by NickFortune · · Score: 4, Funny

      Exactly. Now instead of just bundling office software that no one wants and no one uses with new PCs, they're going to bundle sotware that no one wants, no one uses, and that advertises at you.

      Of course, this being MS, they're going to try and sell this as an added value proposition: "seventy five percent of all the sock puppets that responded to our market research all said that they felt the lack of advertising was a serious lack in Microsoft Works"

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  5. Works sells for 40$? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Has any one actually shelled out money to buy works? It is installed as crapware by the vendors. How out of touch with reality is MSFT really?

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    1. Re:Works sells for 40$? by Zarhan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually...Back in old days, when it was MS Works 2.0 (DOS version!). Early 90's. I really liked the darn thing.

      The target segment for Works, I suppose, is to use it for "home accounting". For that purpose the 2.0 worked very well due to one nice fact:

      It came with it's own teaching program! No annoying clippy. No gazillion menus, and indexed helps where you cannot find anything. Basically a self-running tutorial for elementary word processing and doing some spreadsheets - some basic formulas (doing sums, etc). And it worked. Even my somewhat-of-a-luddite parents changed their home accounting from pen&paper to Works. It would nicely show off some examples, allow you to try it yourself, checked your input, and really taught how to do things.

      These days they are using Openoffice. So am I.

      What went wrong?

      Well, basically, at around version 4.0 Works became bloatware. So, might as well go for Excel/OOO. And the teaching functionality is no longer there in the basic package so it's no longer even useful as a "my first spreadsheet". (Ok, I don't know about the absolute latest versions).

  6. HP by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just bought an HP laptop. It came with a trialware version of MS Office and a (non-adware) copy of MS Works.

    Guess which I uninstalled? Office, or Works? ...

    You guessed it, I zapped BOTH! Then installed OO.o.

  7. who wants this? by huckda · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The manufacturers involved were not disclosed. So as not to hurt the sale of said systems...

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  8. Just guessing by OpenSourced · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Microsoft has announced plans to pre-install an ad-laden version of Works on some manufacturers' PCs

    Lemme guess... Perhaps that offer will be done to the manufacturers that were "thinking about/already intalling" Open Office for free in their naked PCs ?

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  9. i have an idea by overcaffein8d · · Score: 2, Interesting

    they should do that with the entire MS office. then we can find an ad blocker, just like we did for AIM .

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  10. Same as Google apps by JeremyGNJ · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is no different than Google Documents & Spreadsheets. It's just ad-supported office applications. However, the fact that it's locally installed is nice, because it allows for more advanced functionality than AJAX. I think Microsoft has a winner with this one. Not just because of the ad revenue, but because of the user lock-in. Users of works would be more likely to upgrade to MS office. smart move.

    1. Re:Same as Google apps by l33t.g33k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the bigger issue is what people are willing to tolerate. Most users (including myself) don't have the same expectations of web applications and desktop applications. It's fine with me if a web application is ad-supported, because... well, it's on a website. However, if I were to have a desktop application that constantly displays ads, then I would have serious qualms about its quality, and I feel that my computer is "unclean" and I would perceive a decrease in performance. It's like crappy old Kazaa all over again! Web ads are fine, desktop ads are NOT fine!

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    2. Re:Same as Google apps by 1729 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      his is no different than Google Documents & Spreadsheets. It's just ad-supported office applications.

      A large part of Google's success has been that they deliver targeted and relatively non-obtrusive ads. I often click on Google's ads, because they're relevant. When they aren't useful, they don't bother me, since they aren't animated or loud or otherwise distracting.

      Incidentally, I've never noticed an ad while using Google Docs & Spreadsheets, so I'm not sure how they are working advertising into the service. When I'm searching the web, Google's "Sponsored Links" are often exactly what I'm looking for. However, when I'm editing a document, it's very unlikely that I'll click through an advertisement, and my tolerance for distractions is much lower.
  11. works openoffice? by SolusSD · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't think works even lets you write .doc files-- Openoffice supports most MS formats fairly well. Seems like the market just isn't there for Works, even if it was free and ad free.

  12. Re:I hate Microsoft Works. by Ephemeriis · · Score: 2

    Not that it isn't a decent package in its own right ... it's that it doesn't automatically save things in Microsoft Office formats.
    I like the versions of Microsoft Works that actually install an older version of Word to do their word processing, and then use some kind of plug-in to do the translation. That plug-in invariably breaks, and suddenly you've got folks who can't open their own documents anymore. Hours of fun for the whole family!
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  13. Do they censor the ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Excellent. Now how do we purchase adspace for Open Office and KOffice in this wonderful program?

  14. OpenOffice needs to step up by computerman413 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe OpenOffice should try and arrange to have their products put on Windows computers. It won't cost manufacturers anything, and it won't have annoying ads.

    1. Re:OpenOffice needs to step up by pegr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It won't cost manufacturers anything
       
      Except their Windows OEM license!

  15. Ad-Laden? by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny

    Isn't he the number three Al Queda guy these days?

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  16. Sounds like a trial balloon by khendron · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why would Microsoft do *anything* with works? This can't be a big money-maker for them, unless they are charging OEMs behind the scenes to have it installed (in which case the OEMs are stupid for installing it).

    I think Microsoft is just practicing the ad-supported software model with an application they don't really care about, just to see how well it works. They can iron out the wrinkles (or maybe drop the idea all together) without damaging the reputation of one of their core products.

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  17. Brilliant... by msimm · · Score: 4, Funny

    but only so long as they use Clippy to present the ads. It would be like life in hell in a great cuddly way.

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  18. Oxymoron! by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Funny

    Microsoft Works

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  19. but they won't be supplying by Jerry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the Vasoline.

    That's still the consumer's responsibility.

    What amazes me is that so many are still willing to bend over for this abuse... AND PAY FOR IT!

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  20. Jerks. by norminator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    [...]Microsoft has announced plans to pre-install an ad-laden version of Works on some manufacturers' PCs in coming months. [...]

    Can't think of a better reason to try Linux or Mac.
    Thanks, Microsoft!
    Seriously... Isn't Works already bundled with new PCs for free (to the end user) anyway? So isn't this just extra revenue for MS and/or the vendors, while reducing the value of the product?

    Jerks. Not that I've ever used anything in Works for more than 45 seconds, but still, it's the principle of the thing.
  21. Monopoly by fermion · · Score: 2, Interesting
    MS is a convicted monopolist, but we have not seen significant monopoly evidence in a while. The IE, WMP, etc are old hat and not really significant to the current OS. Increasingly sites are designed to meet a general audience, including firefox, and now Safari and iphone. iTunes has a majority of the legal download market, and Zune is not doing that much to change it. The one new success, xBox, has little to do with a monopoly. They invested enough money to make the xBox happen, something they may not be able to do with the Zune due to investor pressures.

    So I am surprised to see such a blatant abuse now. I think it indicates how desperate MS is to find a new profitable product. While losses for xBox and Zune for year might exceed 2 billion, Google has shown that is it possible to make money pushing ads if you provide a service that people want. However, even with leveraging the desktop monopoly, MS has not been able to compete with google, at least not in the developed world.

    So, they are back to thier old tricks. Exploiting the desktop monopoly in new way. Take a product that should be given away, implement some ads, and bribe people to use the MSN add network instead of googles. I am not saying that Google is any better than MSN, simply that instead of creating a better search product, something we desperately need, MS is taking a shortcut.

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  22. Re:Works?!?! by bumby · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...and I then delete it because it's a WORTHLESS piece of shit.

    works or windows?

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  23. Wait...what? by Control+Group · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft still makes Works? And they charge money for it? Is it still one of the best document-encryption tools around?

    I haven't even seen a Microsoft Works installation since the days when I'd carry around a floppy with Norton Utilities on it - and use it often.

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  24. Oxymorons!!!! by Pojut · · Score: 3, Funny

    #974: Airline Food

    #632: Civil War

    #232: Microsoft Works

  25. I think it's unfair! by garry_g · · Score: 3, Funny

    By bundeling ad-ware with Works, it gives Ad-Ware a bad name ...

  26. Works has actually gotten worse over time. by eobanb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Believe it or not, I have version 1.05 of MS Works. It runs on PC-DOS on my 286, and it's actually great, as it included a terminal emulator, which lets you use a modem to dial into another machine (or use a null-modem cable straight to another computer) and exchange data. If you set up another machine to be an internet gateway, Works becomes a useful, if rudimentary, way of accessing files on the internet on a computer from 1983.

    Let's see Works 9 do that.

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  27. Another feature to boost its abilities! by Warbothong · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This looks like a long-awaited feature to add to the portfolio of Microsoft Works, the oxymoron which many believe to be an office suite when it is in fact a piss you off enough to buy microsoft office suite. It probably only exists to make sure there is a clear "upgrade" path ("If Works doesn't then why not try Office?", rather than letting customers loose into the wild where they might happen upon a competing free product), and to cater to those who think (rightfully so) that word processing is a basic task for a computer to do these days and should come by default for free but without pissing off the OEMs and DoJ with forced Office preinstallation or reducing the cost of Office (which, along with Windows, keeps Microsoft afloat). (Seriously, I went to buy a mouse from a local computer shop recently and the guy running it took an age to explain to the woman in front of me why the computer she just bought can't do word processing, and that if she wanted it to she'd have to fork out a few hundred quid. I would've intervened with OpenOffice but I was with my girlfriend at the time and I try not to be too zealoty around her)