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Rick Rubin Discloses Sony Rootkit Called Home

caffeinemessiah writes "Rick Rubin, the legendary music producer, recently signed on as co-head of Columbia Records, which is owned by Sony BMG. In a recent New York Times interview (on pg. 4 of the online version), he discloses, possibly accidentally: 'It was the highest debut of Neil [Diamond]'s career, off to a great start. But Columbia — it was some kind of corporate thing — had put spyware on the CD. That kept people from copying it, but it also somehow recorded information about whoever bought the record...' Seems like the rootkit might have been a little more than your vanilla invade-your-rights-DRM scheme."

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  1. Pah by ruinous · · Score: 0

    Given the context, it doesn't sound like he was too au fait with the technical details, so I wouldn't read too much into it.

  2. A simpler solution by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe it didn't phone home, and Rick Rubin (a music producer, not a computer geek) just doesn't understand what the root kit did.

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    1. Re:A simpler solution by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't know, he might know plenty about systems. RJR and RMS are practically twins.

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    2. Re:A simpler solution by jollyreaper · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe it didn't phone home, and Rick Rubin (a music producer, not a computer geek) just doesn't understand what the root kit did. Have you seen the way Rick Rubin looks? He could have easily fallen out of Richard Stallman's beard. When someone who looks like that tells me something, I listen. Or tell him I don't have any spare change; I guess it depends on what he says.
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    3. Re:A simpler solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most likely not. He stays in the music zone with probably his headphones always on. He's knows enough about electronic music systems and actual musical intruments. You've just been rooted by my rootkit. It's can be very extensive or so I've been told.

    4. Re:A simpler solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe, maybe not. One thing that I am certain of, however, is that RR is a dirtbag. Proof?

      How about evidence instead? Besides simply being in the music industry. When the Black Crowes (formerly Mr. Crow's Garden) were making their debut album, the oh-so-clever NYC sophisticate RR kept insisting that they change their name to the Kobb Kounty Krowes, an unsubtle jab at Cobb county and the boys' southern heritage.

      Yeah, so he'd make millions from the controversy of an Suthren [sic] artist with the initials 'KKK'.

      You'll note that RR is listed as the producer of that album, however if you own a first release vinyl copy his name is not listed on the liner notes. Dirtbag only wanted credit after it went platinum.

      How do I know this? I worked for the Crowes. Boycott RR, boycott Columbia, boycott Sony.

    5. Re:A simpler solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's the thing, RR has been involved in creating some of the most innovative and exciting music of the past 25 years. The Black Crows is basically a secondrate coverband.

    6. Re:A simpler solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too funny! I won't argue against either of your two (unrelated) points. Mostly because I agree with them.

      I'll just say that Bill Gates donates millions of dollars to charity annually.

      Two questions, Mr. Digression...
      How do you like his software?
      What do you think of his business practices?

      Bonus points: Would you ever recommend playing a RR [produced/approved/exec'ed] CD on [your/your friend's/your family's] computer?

    7. Re:A simpler solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RMS => Software
      RJR => Drugs?

    8. Re:A simpler solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      look more alan cox to me

    9. Re:A simpler solution by neildiamond · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Actually the irony here is that Neil Diamond got sued for singing about "E.T. phoning home" a la the song Heartlight in ~1982.

    10. Re:A simpler solution by Technician · · Score: 1

      just doesn't understand what the root kit did.

      Actualy he did. After the fluf introduction on the first 2-3 pages he gets into the meat of the scandal on pages 4-6. He speaks of the Neil Diamond album and how the DRM Rootkit affected sales and how he made no bones about calling it a disaster. Part if his influence with record distributers is that that never happen to an artists work again.

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    11. Re:A simpler solution by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Translation: I'm a no-life shit who likes to go on online forums, make up scandalous stories about people I have never and will never meet.

      Believe my fake ancedotal story!

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    12. Re:A simpler solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I'd prefer to boycott the black crowes...they haven't put out anything relevant since the early 90's.

    13. Re:A simpler solution by ystar · · Score: 1

      Rubin produced both Californication and By The Way. I liked BSSM, but those two chili peppers albums were among the most amazing pieces of art I've ever heard. He claims to not have a very deep sense of music however, which I believe...he's worked with some less than stellar artists and the output has been less than stellar as well.

      My impression is that he's a bit of a life coach. He helped clean up the Peppers (though John Frusciante and the others were moving towards a cleaner lifestyle during that era already). Frusciante's wicked melodies and soaring harmonies however were his own. I used to believe Rubin could work magic (Cochise is perhaps the hardest rock song on earth) but I think he just unleashes the talent of whoever he's in the room with.

    14. Re:A simpler solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoever came up with that idea, it wasn't that bad.
      KKK as a band name, priceless.

    15. Re:A simpler solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just checked my vinyl copy of SYMM, and George Drakoulias is listed as sole producer. No mention of Rubin anywhere on the sleeve or inner sleeve.

    16. Re:A simpler solution by iainl · · Score: 1

      In terms of the songs on them, Californication is my favorite RHCP record by a long way. But the way all the dynamic range is crushed out of it is infamous, so I'm not going to run round giving Rubin the credit.

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    17. Re:A simpler solution by Potor · · Score: 1

      That KKK thing could be true, no idea. But he also signed Run DMC and Public Enemy.

    18. Re:A simpler solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has anyone ever seen RR and RMS in one room together?
      Maybe they are the same.

    19. Re:A simpler solution by ystar · · Score: 1

      I forget who mixed it, they're the one to blame for that (may have been Rubin but I doubt it).

    20. Re:A simpler solution by SomeGuyTyping · · Score: 1

      One of my favorite groups, Switchfoot, just got out of their Columbia deal to go independent.

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    21. Re:A simpler solution by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 1

      Great to hear! I love Switchfoot. I remember when one of their previous albums was released with anti-rip DRM, fans were complaining in the forum on the band's website. One of the band members posted instructions for bypassing the DRM. /. covered it here: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/19/03 43251

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    22. Re:A simpler solution by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      "Boycott RR, boycott Columbia, boycott Sony."

      Much easier to just boycott your post.

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    23. Re:A simpler solution by h3llfish · · Score: 1

      Lies, all lies. I am The Black Crowes, all five of them, and I never saw you at the meetings.

      You want us to believe that Rubin wanted to change the band's name to KKK in an effort to enhance album sales? On what planet does it work like that? Maybe on Bizarro world... so what time is your flight back there? Be sure not to miss it, AC.

      Boycott ACs!

    24. Re:A simpler solution by foreverpuppy · · Score: 1

      It works on the same planet that Marilyn Manson, N.W.A, 50 cent, and Madonna sold millions of records.

    25. Re:A simpler solution by deets · · Score: 1

      The KKK thing IS true... Watch "Behind the Music" on VH1. Now, that guy working for the Black Crows, that is questionable.

    26. Re:A simpler solution by h3llfish · · Score: 1

      Is that right? I must have missed the albums where those artists implied that they were members of the KKK. Which album was it again?

      Besides, 50 and NWA are black. They can play the race card all they want. The Black Crowes are a white Southern rock band.

      And Madonna? Huh? Yeah she's shocking, but in a sexual way. That really has nothing at all to do with what we're talking about. Nothing. At all.

    27. Re:A simpler solution by foreverpuppy · · Score: 1

      It's about controversy, plain and simple. Controversy sells albums.

    28. Re:A simpler solution by h3llfish · · Score: 1

      And all controversy is created equal? Madonna dressing in S&M gear is the same thing as a southern rock band appearing to endorse the KKK?

      So if the southern fried white racist formula works so well, please name one such act with a gold album. Just one.

      I guess all controversy is not created equal, is it? Think a bit more before you post here again, this exchange was pretty embarrassing for you.

    29. Re:A simpler solution by foreverpuppy · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it would've worked if Rubin had been able to follow through. If he suggested it (and I believe he did), the rationale behind the suggestion was almost certainly to create a controversy around the band. I'm sure the controvesry created by the burning crosses in the Madonna "Like a Prayer" video helped more than it hurt, though, as did Marilyn Mansons use of Nazi imagery.

    30. Re:A simpler solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Bonus points: Would you ever recommend playing a RR [produced/approved/exec'ed] CD on [your/your friend's/your family's] computer?

      If it's Reign in Blood by Slayer, then FUCK YEAH!!! And not just their computer, either! That shit is playing in by BRAIN right now!

    31. Re:A simpler solution by h3llfish · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding me? Are we still talking about this? You are so desperate not to lose an argument with a stranger on the frakin internet that you are now contradicting yourself? You have issues, bub.

      Because you did say it would have worked. You said exactly that. Scroll up and read it.

      Me: You want us to believe that Rubin wanted to change the band's name to KKK in an effort to enhance album sales? On what planet does it work like that?

      You: It works on the same planet that Marilyn Manson, N.W.A, 50 cent, and Madonna sold millions of records.

      If you choose to reply to this, I won't answer. This argument is nonsensical. I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

    32. Re:A simpler solution by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      That KKK thing could be true, no idea. But he also signed Run DMC and Public Enemy. And he played with Beastie Boys, as a band member.

      It is not true and I bet it has to do with some idiotic religious fanatics got whole idea of Slayer album which he produced wrong thinking Slayer is endorsing what Germany did in WW 2. They were describing it impersonating the nut jobs who were behind those actions.

      http://www.answers.com/topic/reign-in-blood

      They were describing the horrible actions. Does Spielberg's movies describing what they did without any kind of censor makes him a nazi supporter?

      Another thing is, the rap bands of those ages (80s) weren't some "Look my phone, how cool is it" kind of junk. They were plain political bands, that is why they are still getting respect from fans of every kind of musical genre.

  3. Next sony rootkit debacle... by Darundal · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...Bravias have rootkits! Honestly, at this point, I think non-rootkit news about sony would be front page worthy. At this point, it is just expected.

    1. Re:Next sony rootkit debacle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yawn...

  4. didn't we know this? by l2718 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The analysis of the trojan already showed that it phoned home. Of course the point of this was to gather data.

    1. Re:didn't we know this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And again, I must ask... why wasn't anyone ARRESTED for this? If an individual had created and distributed such a program, he would be imprisoned for years and the 6 o'clock news would run a half a dozen segments along the lines of "Special Report : OMG TEH HACKERS CAN STEAL YOUR HARD DRIVE!". Why doesn't anyone care when a corporation does it?

    2. Re:didn't we know this? by mpe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And again, I must ask... why wasn't anyone ARRESTED for this? If an individual had created and distributed such a program, he would be imprisoned for years and the 6 o'clock news would run a half a dozen segments along the lines of "Special Report : OMG TEH HACKERS CAN STEAL YOUR HARD DRIVE!". Why doesn't anyone care when a corporation does it?

      There is a distinct lack of prisons for "corporate people". Indeed the whole "corporations are people" meme just falls apart when it comes to criminal (as opposed to civil) law.
      It also dosn't help when the concept of "limited liability", something which was only intended to be relevent to a bankrupt company, is instead treated as a shield for the activities of what amount to criminal gangs.

    3. Re:didn't we know this? by WNight · · Score: 1

      Check this out: http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID= /20070829/LOCAL/708290511

      Cop goes joy-riding with three girls in the car, gets in an accident, tells them to flee the scene, lies to superiors, contradicts witnesses, etc.

      He *may* get fired.

      If you did half of that you'd still be in prison in ten years.

  5. suckmyassnyt / suckmyassnyt by larry+bagina · · Score: 1, Informative

    Rick Rubin is listening. A song by a new band called the Gossip is playing, and he is concentrating. He appears to be in a trance. His eyes are tightly closed and he is swaying back and forth to the beat, trying at once to hear what is right and wrong about the music. Rubin, who resembles a medium-size bear with a long, gray beard, is curled into the corner of a tufted velvet couch in the library of a house he owns but where he no longer lives. This three-story 1923 Spanish villa steeped in music history -- Johnny Cash recorded in the basement studio; Jakob Dylan is recording a solo album there now -- is used by Rubin for meetings. And ever since May, when he officially became co-head of Columbia Records, Rubin has been having nearly constant meetings. Beginning in 1984, when he started Def Jam Recordings, until his more recent occupation as a career-transforming, chart-topping, Grammy Award-winning producer for dozens of artists, as diverse as the Dixie Chicks, Slayer, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Neil Diamond, Rubin, who is 44, has never gone to an office of any kind. One of his conditions for taking the job at Sony, which owns Columbia, was that he wouldn't be required to have a desk or a phone in any of the corporate outposts. That wasn't a problem: Columbia didn't want Rubin to punch a clock. It wanted him to save the company. And just maybe the record business.

    What that means, most of all, is that the company wants him to listen. It is Columbia's belief that Rubin will hear the answers in the music -- that he will find the solution to its ever-increasing woes. The mighty music business is in free fall -- it has lost control of radio; retail outlets like Tower Records have shut down; MTV rarely broadcasts music videos; and the once lucrative album market has been overshadowed by downloaded singles, which mainly benefits Apple. "The music business, as a whole, has lost its faith in content," David Geffen, the legendary music mogul, told me recently. "Only 10 years ago, companies wanted to make records, presumably good records, and see if they sold. But panic has set in, and now it's no longer about making music, it's all about how to sell music. And there's no clear answer about how to fix that problem. But I still believe that the top priority at any record company has to be coming up with great music. And for that reason, Sony was very smart to hire Rick."

    Though Rubin maintains that his intention is simply to hear music with the fresh ears of a true fan, he has built his reputation on the simultaneously mystical and entirely decisive way he listens to a song. As the Gossip, which is fronted by a large, raucous woman named Beth Ditto, shouts to a stop, Rubin opens his eyes and nods yes. This is the first new band signed to Columbia that he has been enthralled by, but he is not yet sure how to organize the Gossip's future. "Let's hear something else," Rubin says to Kevin Kusatsu, who would, at any other record company, be called an A & R executive. (Traditionally, A & R executives spot, woo, recruit and oversee the talent of a record company.) "We don't have any titles at the new Columbia," Rubin explains, as Kusatsu, the first person Rubin hired, slips a disc out of its sleeve. "I don't want to create a new hierarchy to replace the old hierarchy."

    Rubin, wearing his usual uniform of loose khaki pants and billowing white T-shirt, his sunglasses in his pocket, his feet bare, fingers a string of lapis lazuli Buddhist prayer beads, believed to bring wisdom to the wearer. Since Rubin's beard and hair nearly cover his face, his voice, which is soft and reassuring, becomes that much more vivid. He seems to be one with the room, which is lined in floor-to-ceiling books, most of which are of a spiritual nature, whether about Buddhism, the Bible or New Age quests for enlightenment. The library and the house are filled with religious iconography mixed with mementos from the world of pop. A massive brass Buddha is flanked by equally enormous speakers; vintage cardboard cutouts of John, Paul, George a

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  6. oooh, data miner. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess this is their "We can't afford watermarking all the CD's music, but we'll steal the buyer's identity instead" solution.

    1. Re:oooh, data miner. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they figure that watermarking isn't going to stop people from sharing music so they might as well try gathering all the data they can on their customers... a very stupid decision on their part- everyone knows that if someone's going to pirate music they certainly arn't going to go to the store, buy one and copy it a hundred times- they'll just take it off bit-torrent and copy the non-DRMed/non-watermarked version which leaves the people who actually paid for the music up a creek without a paddle.

    2. Re:oooh, data miner. by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because if Joe Hacker did this, and it comes back to Joe Hacker, Joe Hacker is arrested. Now when they go to Sony, they'll be met with a wall of lawyers. When fingers start being pointed, you'll get "I wasn't the person who authorized/conceived said issue. And no, we can't tell you who did. Talk to our lawyers".

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  7. Cue the inevitable... by Seumas · · Score: 1

    Cue the always present "if you don't have anything to hide" corporate apologists.

    1. Re:Cue the inevitable... by Shados · · Score: 1

      Its Sony. Even corporate apologists don't think much of Sony.

    2. Re:Cue the inevitable... by Gandalf_the_Beardy · · Score: 1

      I have plenty to hide and not afraid to admit it.

      When the corporate apologists manage to show that that is a situation that is dangerous then I'll take note. Until then I'll only listen to corporate apologists that live in a glass house and write all of the financial transactions on the walls with their credit card numbers and PIN's too.

    3. Re:Cue the inevitable... by mdmkolbe · · Score: 1

      If Sony doesn't have anything to hide, why did they sneak in a root kit instead of being up front about the hole thing?

    4. Re:Cue the inevitable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is the point of an upfront root kit?

    5. Re:Cue the inevitable... by Workaphobia · · Score: 1

      You're thinking of government. I don't think anyone believes the world would be a better place with total transparency of personal information for corporate benefit.

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    6. Re:Cue the inevitable... by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      As a corporate apologist, that's not what I'd say. That'd just be wrong. No, the real issue is that piracy is partially responsible for these measures being taken, and at least some of the blame needs to rest with the consumer. If they don't want this crap surrounding their entertainment, they can stop pirating, or help others stop pirating. Also, a good boycott never hurt anyone. Well, except for the odd company, their employees, shareholders, etc.

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    7. Re:Cue the inevitable... by mdmkolbe · · Score: 1

      No, the real issue is that piracy is partially responsible for these measures being taken, and at least some of the blame needs to rest with the consumer.

      Mr. Sony: Your Honor, it's not my fault I broke in to John's house. I only broke a few windows in the process. I was just trying to figure out if he was the one that stole my stuff. Those people who keep stealing my stuff, it's their fault.

      Judge: Riiight, sure, sure.

      That argument wouldn't fly in the physical world, and it doesn't fly in the virtual world either.

    8. Re:Cue the inevitable... by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you listen to Neil Diamond, you have something to hide.

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    9. Re:Cue the inevitable... by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      If by "broke a few windows", you mean placed software on the disc the guy bought, and made the disc auto-run said software, provided the guy didn't hold down shift, or fiddled with a few options, or ripped the CD, or ran a different OS, then yes, Sony "broke a few windows".

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  8. Not entirely surprising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article is possibly the first time I'd say tl;dr, but then again it isn't something that would interest me normally. Regardless, if the claims prove to be true, is anyone surprised? The prerequisite lack of morals necessary to build a rootkit into your DRM surely cannot be all that far from the prerequisite lack of morals necessary to add spyware to the mix.

    1. Re:Not entirely surprising... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      The thing is, it's just so easy to do, and let's face it: corporate types like those running the show at Sony can generally rationalize pretty much any kind of bad behavior, particularly if they feel there's little risk to themselves, no real downside. And look what happened: even when they got caught they weren't penalized anywhere near as much as they should have been, had Justice actually been served. Worse yet, the very people most likely to be affected by that little scheme are largely incapable of understanding what was done to them. Sony got off lightly, and will probably do it again and again, since I doubt they really see anything wrong with it.

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  9. Re:root kit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Although somewhat difficult to understand at first, I find that as an allegory for DRM, your story works quite well.

  10. Dup by astrosmash · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's an interesting discussion on the same topic over here.

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  11. Slashdot proves you're wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    No, he's correct. You're wrong.

    http://games.slashdot.org/games/05/11/07/1221209.s html

    Sony Rootkit Phones Home

    strider44 writes "Mark from Sysinternals has digged a little deeper into the Sony DRM and discovered it Phones Home with an ID for the CD being listened to. XCP Support claims that "The player has a standard rotating banner that connects the user to additional content (e.g. provides a link to the artist web site). The player simply looks online to see if another banner is available for rotation. The communication is one-way in that a banner is simply retrieved from the server if available. No information is ever fed back or collected about the consumer or their activities."
    1. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by catbutt · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Well then how is he correct? Rubin said "it also somehow recorded information about whoever bought the record." and your quote says "No information is ever fed back or collected about the consumer or their activities."

      BTW, i just read an article about Rubin (was it linked here yesterday?) that said he had never heard of Simon Cowell from American Idol up till last year or whatever. Now...not saying that Simon Cowell is anything great, but for a top record producer to have never heard of someone that familiar to everyone else...that's just weird. Rubin may well be a genius at what he does, but his knowledge of the rest of the world seems spotty at best. I wouldn't be surprised to hear him say that he's never used the internet or something.

    2. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      Uh dude... you think a webserver doesn't log what "banner" you downloaded? Is it that hard to conceive that maybe even a log scanner or even apache module is on the server side, using the "retrieval" to amass a database of what people are listening to?

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    3. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by gweilo8888 · · Score: 2

      You misread the comment. What you have quoted is the *claims* from Sony, but those claims were proven to be untrue.

    4. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by Grimbleton · · Score: 1

      Who is Simon Cowell? No, really. I've heard him mentioned in commercials for American Idol... but who is he?

    5. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by shaggy43 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had never heard of Simon Cowell before 'idol', nor had my father, and he's a gold-and-platinum-record-holding sound engineer and record producer *from England also*.

      Just because you *might* have doesn't mean the industry has...

    6. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by badasscat · · Score: 1

      Who is Simon Cowell? No, really. I've heard him mentioned in commercials for American Idol... but who is he?

      He's the Rick Rubin of the UK. Seriously.

      People always get all uppity with him in the auditions. They complain that he's "just a judge" and not qualified to tell good singing from bad. The fact is the guy has produced some of the UK's top-selling acts, and he's currently a producer at Sony BMG. He's also famously passed on some acts that went on to great success, so it's not like he's a God. But he is a fairly successful and well-respected producer and A&R man.

      He and his production company have also produced some of the UK's top TV shows. So he's probably as qualified an American Idol judge as any. He's certainly more qualified than Paula Abdul.

    7. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by SethJohnson · · Score: 1



      for a top record producer to have never heard of someone that familiar to everyone else...that's just weird.

      That's just ego-bashing. Simon Cowell is extremely small-potatoes compared to Rick Rubin. When an interviewer asks a big player about their thoughts on an up-and-comer who's currently getting a lot of attention, it's typical for the giant to say they haven't heard of the other guy.

      Seth

    8. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You could have boiled your entire spew down to four words:

      "He's an ego-whore."

    9. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by Grimbleton · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...who's Rick Rubin?

    10. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by h3llfish · · Score: 1

      Now...not saying that Simon Cowell is anything great, but for a top record producer to have never heard of someone that familiar to everyone else...that's just weird.

      So you point that out why? Are you trying to imply that Rick Rubin is out of touch with popular culture? Surely not, because that would be totally asinine. Rick Rubin practically invented popular culture one day in 1985 when he said to Run-DMC "Hey, I think you guys should cover this old Aerosmith song...". The rest, as they say, is history. And that's just one of his contributions. Cowell does what again? Judges some TV talent show?

      I sorta doubt that Rubin never heard of the guy in the literal sense. I think that he meant that Cowell has a truly pathetic resume as a producer, compared to what Rubin has done. He was dissing Cowell, and saying that Cowell is not in his league. And even if he did mean it in the literal sense... so what? Rubin doesn't watch American Idol? So what?

      Rubin is a great music producer, and Cowell is a TV personality. Simple as that. And if you want to refute that, please name a few albums that Cowell has produced.

    11. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to rain on your parade man, but does the industry know your father is representing them by proxy through you via slashdot in a 'so there' type of way? I didn't think so. So There.

    12. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      BTW, i just read an article about Rubin (was it linked here yesterday?) that said he had never heard of Simon Cowell from American Idol up till last year or whatever. Now...not saying that Simon Cowell is anything great, but for a top record producer to have never heard of someone that familiar to everyone else... If I could only be so lucky :(
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    13. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by CheechWizz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Simon Cowell may be a marketing genius but Rick Rubin is a musical genius and a pioneer who helped break dozens and dozens of acts with a whole lot more creative merit then Cowell's manufactured pop drivel. Almost all the albums Rubin produces end up being one of the, if not the best album of that particular band or artist. Don't get me wrong Cowell is good at what he does but Rubin is in a whole different ball game all together.

    14. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Informative

      He's the Rick Rubin of the UK. Seriously.

      BWAHAHAHAHA

      Try again.

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    15. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by spoco2 · · Score: 1

      Sir, that was amusing :)

    16. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by kripkenstein · · Score: 4, Insightful

      BTW, i just read an article about Rubin (was it linked here yesterday?) that said he had never heard of Simon Cowell from American Idol up till last year or whatever. Now...not saying that Simon Cowell is anything great, but for a top record producer to have never heard of someone that familiar to everyone else...that's just weird.

      Rick Rubin not hearing about Simon Cowell is about the same as the chef de cuisine at a French restaurant not knowing what McDonald's is.
    17. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      No, that's not weird, that's cool. Knowledge about minor (and unimportant) celebrities isn't needed for anything except gossiping with people who don't have any useful knowledge. Not knowing Simon Cowell means Rubin meets more interesting people, and that he doesn't surf the internet aimlessly or read crap newspapers.

    18. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by arivanov · · Score: 1

      Agree.

      Simon is a typical manufactured semi-synthetic UK celebrity. Someone suitable for OK, Hello and the like. His track as a producer is laughable. 15 or so albums out of which he got lucky with the Westlife ones.

      What a laugh.

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    19. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by gsslay · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and then he got lucky again, producing and owning the format to one of the world's most successful TV franchises and becoming very rich and famous.

      Some people just keep getting lucky, huh?

      I'm not a fan, BTW, but you can't deny the facts. You don't get where he is through blind luck.

    20. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by starwed · · Score: 1

      Hate to break it to you, but the term "producer" means something different in the music and TV industries.

    21. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by GalionTheElf · · Score: 1

      He's the Rick Rubin of the UK. Seriously.
       
      I'm pretty sure that's a disservice to both of them.
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    22. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by bWareiWare.co.uk · · Score: 1

      But fetching the banner doesn't let them log which computer you are on (assuming the norm of browsing from a dynamic-IP and/or behind NAT), let alone who is listening, and certainly not 'who bought the music' as claimed.

      Given that the root-kit could easily be feeding them all the information on your PC (passwords, contacts, other music you have 'acquired' etc.) the extent of the information it sends is highly relevant.

      (Though from my point of view the captua for this post sums it up best: If you trust Sony you are going to be 'screwed'!)

    23. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly, what kind of a poncy wanker hasn't heard of macdonalds!

    24. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your busted phoney.

      not knowing what McDonald's is.

      You're effort to appear well-versed in gastronic delight's would be a little more convincing were you able to punctuate you're sentence proper like.

    25. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

      Cowell does what again? Judges some TV talent show?
      Not quite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Cowell#Professi onal_career

      He introduced artists who won't be to everyone's taste, but who did sell millions of records.
    26. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by greginnj · · Score: 1

      strider44 writes "Mark from Sysinternals has digged a little deeper into the Sony DRM and discovered it Phones Home with an ID for the CD being listened to."
      And Mark Russinovich from Microsoft has commented that this behavior should be considered a feature !
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    27. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by h3llfish · · Score: 1

      I read the same Wikipedia entry you did, and I've never heard of any of those people, except the teletubbies (and in all fairness, that album did kick ass).

      And what's more important, he was simply the A&R man for most of his career... he scouted the talent, but he didn't produce many records, from what I can tell.

      I'd never utter his name in the same breath as Rick Rubin's.

      This all totally off topic anyhow, but who cares! Thanks for replying. You're one of three who read my post!

    28. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by photomonkey · · Score: 1

      More like this:

      "Rick Rubin not hearing about Simon Cowell is about the same as the chef de cuisine at a French restaurant not knowing the name of a McDonald's franchise owner."

      Undoubtedly, Rubin has heard of American Idol. Likely, he hasn't really sat down to watch it, or cared to follow its characters.

      I would go one step further to see this as one of the reasons that Columbia brought him in, and has caved to his (nearly) every demand. He might be the guy to save the record industry, or at least help it to go out with a little class. Obviously the American Idol shit coupled with rootkits and lawsuits isn't doing the job.

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    29. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that i not that strange. Not everyone watches mainstream TV and knows who all the "cool" people are. If it wasn't for my wife I would still have no clue who the hell Simon Cowell is. I know exactly who Rick Rubin is though. He is the guy that sat on the couch and smoked pot while some engineer worked hard to make Rick Rubin who he is today. Just go look at the credits on some of the records he has done. Producers only make the record possible. Engineers make the record.

    30. Re:Slashdot proves you're wrong. by Eivind · · Score: 1

      True. In general I prefer talking to well-informed people. It just so happens that certain kinds of information has negative value. In the sense that if someone *doesn't* know it, they're actually more likely to have a clue in general and be more interesting to talk to.

      If someone *doesn't* know who Robbie Williams is currently dating, I consider that a plus.

  12. Neil Diamond proposed this scheme decades ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh, one, touching one, reaching out
    Touching me, touching you...

  13. Won't affect anybody by sunderland56 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The number of people who own a computer, are technically smart enough to listen to music on it, and who listen to Neil Diamond, is zero.

    1. Re:Won't affect anybody by Techogeek · · Score: 1

      Hey! I happen to like Neil Diamond!

    2. Re:Won't affect anybody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yankees suck.

    3. Re:Won't affect anybody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The number of people (outside his supposed demographic) who'll listen to a Neil Diamond album (or Johnny Cash) because Rick Rubin producted it: millions.

    4. Re:Won't affect anybody by Detritus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Neil Diamond has more talent in his big toe than most of the artists that get airplay on American commercial radio. I'm not a fan of his style of music, but he is an excellent singer and songwriter.

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    5. Re:Won't affect anybody by Swampash · · Score: 1

      You are wrong by at least 1. I have a lot of Neil Diamond in my digital music collection.

    6. Re:Won't affect anybody by PeelBoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. Neiel Diamond is one of the great American singer / Song Writers.

      One of the best in the world.

    7. Re:Won't affect anybody by the_fat_kid · · Score: 1

      and without Neil, we wouldn't have all those great hits from the Monkees

      sigh...

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    8. Re:Won't affect anybody by Technician · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The number of people who own a computer, are technically smart enough to listen to music on it, and who listen to Neil Diamond, is zero.

      If that were true, than this whole rootkit discussion would be a non-issue as absolutely nobody would have even found the software at all. The technicaly smart people who listen to Neil Diamond is the ones who blew the cover of this DRM.

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    9. Re:Won't affect anybody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who listen to Neil Diamond simply deserve to get rooted...

    10. Re:Won't affect anybody by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      That's why I've never heard of this rubin bloke.. I can't *stand* either of those (and was born about 20 years too late to like them anyway).

    11. Re:Won't affect anybody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then perhaps he should start writing and playing with his big toe.

    12. Re:Won't affect anybody by GalionTheElf · · Score: 1

      I was born in 84 and I think the stuff Johnny Cash did with Rick Rubin is amazing. Also he did loads more than him and Neil Diamond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rubin#List_of_al bums_produced

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    13. Re:Won't affect anybody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why I've never heard of this rubin bloke.. I can't *stand* either of those (and was born about 20 years too late to like them anyway). Yeah, you're way too young (32) for other Rubin-produced albums from his Johnny Cash period (1994-2002) from bands like Rage Against the Machine, Audioslave, ACDC, and Red Hot Chili Peppers.
    14. Re:Won't affect anybody by kurfu · · Score: 1

      You fail.

      i like Neil Dimund and i am not dum.

  14. And yet by obeythefist · · Score: 2, Funny

    And yet Sony has walked away with less than a slap on the wrist.

    Replace "Sony" with "Al Queda" or "North Korea" in the same story and see how it reads. Amusing, isn't it?

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    1. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Neil Diamond is working for the Koreans? That's not amusing at all. The terrorists have won.

    2. Re:And yet by chiok · · Score: 1

      Replace 'Sony' with 'E.T.' and then it's really unsurprising that he phoned home.

    3. Re:And yet by Scrameustache · · Score: 3, Funny

      And yet Sony has walked away with less than a slap on the wrist.

      Replace "Sony" with "Al Queda" or "North Korea" in the same story and see how it reads. Amusing, isn't it? Now now, don't be silly. Al Quaeda and NK are nowhere near as powerful as Sony ;-)
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    4. Re:And yet by Boycott+BMG · · Score: 1

      That's because it wasn't Sony that did the deed, but Sony-BMG. Also Sony-BMG is not getting away with it, they settled a lot of lawsuits and I believe the top executive of the company resigned/was pushed out.

    5. Re:And yet by obeythefist · · Score: 1

      By which I presume you mean he was given a multimillion dollar golden handshake and a few nice boardroom job offers at the afterparty drinks and cocaine session?

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  15. Re:root kit? by jollyreaper · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The thing that scares me in this world is that something like this probably wasn't written just to shock people, it was most likely stroke material for poo fetishits. Things like this make me think that people like Osama are right. But then I consider that Osama's own society is full of sex freaks and I realize he doesn't have a leg to stand on, either.

    And who the fuck has so little time on their hands that they hang around waiting for articles to post so they can drop a frist pr0st in that will be immediately downmodded?

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  16. Off topic -- Radio is gone? by Joseph_Daniel_Zukige · · Score: 1

    Bottom of the 3rd page of TFriendlyA.

    For some reason they can no longer use radio to push singles. They are looking for other avenues and focusing on (huh?) popular TV shows and the like.

    Internet radio?

    File sharing?

    Do they not understand word-of-mouth? Have they no sense at all?

    Well, big corporations are going the way of the dinosaur, which, in evolutionary terms, is appropriate.

    joudanzuki

    1. Re:Off topic -- Radio is gone? by boguslinks · · Score: 1

      Internet radio?

      File sharing?


      As was noted on page 4 of TFA, the music business essentially controlled radio (and the other very limited number of distribution channels), but it's a tough nut to crack for them to have control over what people file-share.

      "Until very recently," Rubin told me over lunch at Hugo's, a health-conscious restaurant in Hollywood, "there were a handful of channels in the music business that the gatekeepers controlled. They were radio, Tower Records, MTV, certain mainstream press like Rolling Stone. That's how people found out about new things. Every record company in the industry was built to work that model. There was a time when if you had something that wasn't so good, through muscle and lack of other choices, you could push that not very good product through those channels. And that's how the music business functioned for 50 years. Well, the world has changed. And the industry has not."

    2. Re:Off topic -- Radio is gone? by jimicus · · Score: 1

      Do they not understand word-of-mouth? Have they no sense at all?

      Word of mouth is slow and it's hard to quantify its effectiveness. Neither of which are a good thing in an industry dedicated to getting the next big thing out fast, and wanting complete control over the market.

  17. Quit with the PR nonsense... by Hamster+Lover · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Home isn't a "game", per se, but a three dimensional environment where one, represented by an avatar, may interact with others, launch games, play movies and music, etc. on their PS3. It's essentially an interactive 3D replacement for the XMB (media cross bar), or rather, it's an adjunct to the XMB. No one is quite sure yet and Sony isn't saying.

    Home could be the next great thing from Sony or it could be utter shit. Personally, I think it's shit. Why I would want to cruise around what is essentially a Second Life clone on my PS3 simply to launch a game or view a video? The XMB does that job just fine, thank you.

    1. Re:Quit with the PR nonsense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still not a game you frothing fanboy (yes I realise you're not being as insane as otherwise today. Maybe you got your new meds, I don't know I'm not your psych)

  18. Re:PLEASE REPLY TO THIS COMMENT WITH YOUR BEST TRO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hitler was a sensitive man who was mildly understood

  19. HOLY GOD!!!!! by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now that Sony knows the true identities of all the Neil Diamond fans, they can now complete their deathstar and will be the ultimate power in the universe!

    1. Re:HOLY GOD!!!!! by ross.w · · Score: 1

      What, both of the surviving ones?

      I kid, I know Neil Diamond still has a huge following, but never let the truth get in the way of a good joke...

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  20. A brontosaurus standing on its head. by yusing · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If they want him to "save the record business", the first thing they better do is lose the RIAA, and stop manufacturing that huge steaming pile of bad will.

    The industry's refusal to get into digital sales online was criminally stupid. Everyone told them that, and they just dug in. They're a brontosaurus standing on its head.

    We now know how they always worked; the truth is out there. You can feel it all over. If we ever did, we don't *need* them any more. We don't like them any more, and we don't like the homogenizing and genericizing of the sound. Artists need them for one thing only: marketing.Since they've been worse than useless for decades, they'll need a lot of re-org and a lot of giveaways and a lot of goodwill-mending to survive.

    I don't think they can; I hope they can't. Good riddance. I haven't bought a new RIAA product in five years; I won't pay $20 for a record I bought 20 years ago either. Personally I'll smile every time one of them buys it. They had their chance, and they gave us the finger.

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    1. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by PygmySurfer · · Score: 1

      Columbia had better get in line - Rubin is currently focused on saving Metallica!

    2. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by arkham6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bad will? Bad will? What bad will. You walk into any music store and ask a random person buying CD's if they like or dislike the RIAA, they are going to look at you blankly.

      Ask them what they think about the lawsuits being filed daily by the RIAA, and they will shrug and say "Yeah? So, i'm not getting sued, i don't care."

      Ask them if they are upset that there is a rootkit in that CD they are holding, the would probably not understand the ramifications.

      Face it, the American people care for their rights, up into the moment choosing between those rights and getting the newest, shiney toy.

    3. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      If they want him to "save the record business", the first thing they better do is lose the RIAA That is either some super deep koan zen shit, or you just don't realize that the RIAA is the music business. The RIAA are the proverbial "they" who want him to save their biz.
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    4. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by migurski · · Score: 1

      Bad will? Bad will? What bad will. You walk into any music store and ask a random person buying CD's if they like or dislike the RIAA, they are going to look at you blankly.

      Walk into any music store, and all you'll see is the leftover rubes who haven't yet figured out how to operate bittorrent or itunes. Of course they'll stare at you blankly.

    5. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Saving Columbia could be a good thing. Frankly, I think anyone that helps save Metallica ought to be charged with nuisance and forced to listen to their crap at 500 decibels.

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    6. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by bdo19 · · Score: 1

      Face it, the American people care for their rights, up into the moment choosing between those rights and getting the newest, shiney toy.

      Sad, but I think largely true. We're protecting our constitutional right to be materialistic, at all cost.

    7. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by kripkenstein · · Score: 1
      Regarding 'saving the record business', Rubin says this rather insightful piece:

      Rubin sees no other solution. "Either all the record companies will get together or the industry will fall apart and someone like Microsoft will come in and buy one of the companies at wholesale and do what needs to be done," he said. "The future technology companies will either wait for the record companies to smarten up, or they'll let them sink until they can buy them for 10 cents on the dollar and own the whole thing."
      He is spot on. Actually the industry is getting pretty close to tipping point; witness Apple's success and how it frightens the traditional record companies.

      Although I prefer Rubin's prediction: to have Microsoft buy the RIAA would make my life much simpler, I would be able to focus all my hatred on one target instead of two ;)
    8. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      If they want him to "save the record business", the first thing they better do is lose the RIAA

      He's got no chance. He and apparently everybody else is now convinced that a subscription model is the way to go. So far, they've got the "They pay us money every month" part figured out.

      People want to download music. People are going to download music. They can either try to make money from that or they can go out of business.

    9. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by Illserve · · Score: 1

      Face it, the American people care for their rights, up into the moment choosing between those rights and getting the newest, shiney toy.

      I know it's trendy to bash Americans these days but this isn't the place.

      Your experiment would have the same results in just about any record store.

    10. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by swilly · · Score: 1

      I know it's trendy to bash Americans these days but this isn't the place.

      You must be new here.

    11. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean Apatosaurus.

    12. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by radish · · Score: 1

      Or you'll see people like me, who know perfectly well how to operate both BT and iTunes, but who find one largely immoral and the other just plain crappy (which is which is left as an exercise for the reader).

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    13. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by ukemike · · Score: 1

      If they want him to "save the record business", the first thing they better do is lose the RIAA, and stop manufacturing that huge steaming pile of bad will.

      Actually they could have done worse. At least they put a music guy in charge instead of a bean counter. There is no question that Rick is a music guy!
      from wikipedia...
      * 1985: Radio - LL Cool J * 1986: Licensed to Ill - Beastie Boys * 1986: Raising Hell - Run-DMC * 1986: Reign in Blood - Slayer * 1987: Electric - The Cult * 1988: Danzig - Danzig * 1988: Tougher Than Leather - Run-DMC * 1988: South of Heaven - Slayer * 1988: Masters of Reality - Masters of Reality * 1989: Dice - Andrew Dice Clay * 1989: Live Fast, Die Fast - Wolfsbane * 1990: Same - Geto Boys * 1990: Trouble - Trouble * 1990: Danzig II: Lucifuge - Danzig * 1990: Seasons in the Abyss - Slayer * 1991: Nobody Said It Was Easy - The Four Horsemen * 1991: Manic Frustration - Trouble * 1991: Decade of Aggression - Slayer * 1991: Blood Sugar Sex Magik - Red Hot Chili Peppers * 1992: Danzig III: How the Gods Kill - Danzig * 1992: King King - Red Devils * 1993: Thrall: Demonsweatlive - Danzig * 1993: Wandering Spirit - Mick Jagger * 1993: 21st Century Jesus - Messiah * 1994: Danzig 4 - Danzig * 1994: American Recordings - Johnny Cash * 1994: Divine Intervention - Slayer * 1994: Wildflowers - Tom Petty * 1995: One Hot Minute - Red Hot Chili Peppers * 1995: Ballbreaker - AC/DC * 1995: God Lives Underwater - God Lives Underwater * 1995: Empty - God Lives Underwater * 1996: Songs and Music from "She's the One" - Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers * 1996: Unchained - Johnny Cash * 1996: Undisputed Attitude - Slayer * 1996: Sutras - Donovan * 1998: "Let Me Give the World to You" - The Smashing Pumpkins (an unreleased song) * 1998: VH1 Storytellers - Johnny Cash & Willie Nelson * 1998: Diabolus in Musica - Slayer * 1998: System of a Down - System of a Down * 1998: Peasants, Pigs & Astronauts - Kula Shaker ("Sound of Drums") * 1998: Chef Aid: The South Park Album - South Park * 1999: Northern Star - Melanie C ("Suddenly Monday" and "Ga Ga") * 1999: Californication - Red Hot Chili Peppers * 1999: Echo - Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers * 1999: Loud Rocks - V/A ("Shame" by System of a Down and Wu-Tang Clan, "Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nothing Ta Fuck Wit" Tom Morello, Chad Smith and Wu-Tang Clan) * 1999: The Globe Sessions - Sheryl Crow ("Sweet Child O'Mine") * 2000: American III: Solitary Man - Johnny Cash * 2000: Paloalto - Paloalto * 2000: Renegades - Rage Against the Machine * 2001: Amethyst Rock Star - Saul Williams * 2001: The War of Art - American Head Charge * 2001: Breath of the Heart - Krishna Das * 2001: The Final Studio Recordings - Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan * 2001: Toxicity - System of a Down * 2002: American IV: The Man Comes Around - Johnny Cash * 2002: By the Way - Red Hot Chili Peppers * 2002: Audioslave - Audioslave * 2002: Steal This Album! - System of a Down * 2003: Results May Vary - Limp Bizkit (with Terry Date and Jordan Schur) * 2003: Unearthed - Johnny Cash * 2003: Door of Faith - Krishna Das * 2003: De-Loused in the Comatorium - The Mars Volta (with Omar Rodriguez-Lopez) * 2003: The Black Album - Jay-Z ("99 Problems") * 2003: Live at the Grand Olympic Auditorium - Rage Against the Machine * 2003: Heroes and Villains - Paloalto * 2004: Vol. 3 (The Subliminal Verses) - Slipknot * 2004: Armed Love - The (International) Noise Conspiracy * 2004: Crunk Juice - Lil' Jon and the East Side Boyz ("Stop Fuckin' Wit Me") * 2005: Make Believe - Weezer * 2005: Fijación Oral Vol. 1 - Shakira * 2005: Oral Fixation Vol. 2 - Shakira * 2005: Out of Exile - Audioslave * 2005: Mezmerize - System of a Down * 2005: Hypnotize - System of a Down * 2005: 12 Songs - N

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    14. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      Digital sales? Why would anyone pay for digital materials they can (a) copy from their friends and (b) download from the Internet for free?

      It's over. Face it, music as a revenue stream is over and done with. Nobody is going to make money from recorded music. Live music, maybe. Although paying $150 a ticket for some concert is just about over as well.

      Sure, it is all low-quality compressed stuff that is being passed around. Just about right for the earbuds that are all the fad today. The sound reproduction capability of the hardware has been matched against the sources of music available.

    15. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by photomonkey · · Score: 1

      Oh, I doubt very seriously this problem is limited only to Americans. Let's not forget the vast majority of Western Europe.

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    16. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You walk into any music store and ask a random person..."

      How do you squeeze into those little tiny tubes? Or are you talking about IMing someone?

    17. Re:A brontosaurus standing on its head. by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      "... we don't *need* them any more."

      I'm sorry, I can't get "Gone, gone, gone... Sméagol's FREEEEE!!" out of my head.

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  21. You know what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Usually if I like a song enough to keep it, I'll go buy the real CD, or grab it off iTunes if it's DRM-free.
    But If I ever want any music from Columbia/Sony (which is bloody unlikely anyway), I'm not going to pay for it. Ever.
    Fuck them.

  22. Re:Misleading Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's only misleading if your an A. Idiot or B. Sony Shill or C. Both. You are C.

  23. Spyware != Rootkit by SoapBox17 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This shouldn't be a hard concept here on slashdot, but the article is talking about some type of "spyware" that tracks people who own the CD. This is distinctly different from a rootkit.

    1. Re:Spyware != Rootkit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yabut, it was spyware installed with a rootkit to hide it, slick. Please keep up with foil hat styles.

    2. Re:Spyware != Rootkit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you're an idiot who didn't RTFA and find out that it *is* a rootkit.

    3. Re:Spyware != Rootkit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... who didn't RTFA ...
      You must be new here....
    4. Re:Spyware != Rootkit by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      Its distinction is that it is spyware being hidden within a rootkit. It is both a rootkit and spyware, this isn't an either-or situation.

    5. Re:Spyware != Rootkit by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      They're different but not orthogonal -- you can have a rootkit that is spyware or just a spyware app with no rootkit, or a rootkit with no spyware. The fact that something is spyware doesn't in other words preclude it from being a rootkit, or vice versa.

      He may be talking about the same thing, but without understanding it.

      Think of how many people you know call their computer a 'CPU' or a 'Hard Drive'. He's not a technology nut, he's a music nut.

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  24. Re:Misleading Title by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For those of you who don't already know, Sony will shortly be releasing a virtual reality MMO called Home for their PS3 console. Home is a revolutionary game that will turn the console world upside down with its innovative features. On top of that, Home is totally free for PS3 owners!!

    Astroturf much? I mean, seriously, which idiot modded this up? No one with more than basic English skills would have been confused by that title (which is a surprising rarity for Slashdot) in the way you describe, and all you do is promote a PS3 feature in an anti-Sony article. Sorry if this is harsh, but "Home" is neither revolutionary nor innovative (although it is unique to consoles), and it is completely irrelevant to this story (at least until next month, when we find Sony using it to disable PS3s of people they don't like).
  25. This is the second time this story was on /. ... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    It was only recently that I got a flamebait rating for being humorous and saying Rick Rubin is the music industry new messiah ...... so everyone bow down to him and buy what he says to buy.

    He promoted to know all even before he reads the long running comments made by consumers....

  26. So what's being done about this? by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 1

    Has anyone at Sony done gaol time yet? If not, why not?

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    1. Re:So what's being done about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello Max Littlemore. What the fuck is gaol time? Thank you.

    2. Re:So what's being done about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you are from Amerikkka...

      If you'd spend more than five minutes *not* glued to your spaceman rugby, you'd notice that outside your continent we speak a dialect of English called "British", often called "Proper" English.

      A hint:

      gaol
      -noun, verb (used with object) British.
      jail.

      Oh, what an appropriate captcha: redneck.

    3. Re:So what's being done about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Outside of Pommy Land and the Usual Shits and Arseholes, there's another version of English called Ostrain. It includes the term "shit f' brains" which the GP clearly is. People that prove you don't need a long neck to be a fuckin goose.

    4. Re:So what's being done about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck is gaol time? Stupid AC. It's from the Flintstones theme song:

      When you're with the Flintstones,
      you'll have a yabba-dabba-doo time,
      a dabba-doo time.
      You'll have a ga-ol time!
    5. Re:So what's being done about this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello Anonymous American,

      This is how you spell "jail" in English.

      Please stop the 'embrace and extend' tactics on our language.

  27. hmm by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 1

    I could swear I plugged this article three days ago here for different reasons.

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    The game.
    1. Re:hmm by bdo19 · · Score: 1

      But your post didn't contain the words "rootkit," "spyware," "DRM," or "RIAA."

    2. Re:hmm by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 1

      Have you RTFA? It's 10 pages! There's a lot to digest!

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      The game.
  28. music producer, or coder? by Gothmolly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So he's a music producer, but somehow knows about the inner workings of the rootkit, and he discloses something that NOBODY else figured out about the rootkit? Amazing.

    Or, he's talking out of his ass.

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    1. Re:music producer, or coder? by Durrok · · Score: 1

      He probably just read a few news articles about it since it pertained to him. Those news articles may have been talking out of their ass, but it's refreshing to see that he at least is trying to keep up with current events.

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    2. Re:music producer, or coder? by chubs730 · · Score: 1

      Along with ruining the current music, great combo.

    3. Re:music producer, or coder? by blackest_k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think you can reasonably expect Mr rubin or a reporter to have much of a clue about rootkits.

      "it was some kind of corporate thing -- had put spyware on the CD. That kept people from copying it, but it also somehow recorded information about whoever bought the record. The spyware became public knowledge, and people freaked out. There were some lawsuits filed, and the CD was recalled by Columbia"

      Is what he said as written in the article.

      He's angry and bitter coz something was put on the CD that caused people to panic and not buy it. After spending 2 years getting the album together he doesn't care what it did technically, its effect was to cause the CD to bomb.

      Public perception was something like - this thing Sony put on its CD infected your computer and spied on you, kinda Like a virus and thats bad isn't it...

      He doesn't know, I doubt he would ever want to know, how it worked or what it did exactly- it killed his album sales thats all that matters.

      The only insight we really get is that a producer produces the album not the CD. I feel sorry for him, Columbia took his baby and grafted horns on.

  29. Re:Misleading Title by shakestheclown · · Score: 4, Funny

    sounds like multi player Microsoft Bob to me...

  30. Re:root kit? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

    Parent post brought to you by: http://www.info.ucl.ac.be/~pvr/decon.html

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  31. Re:root kit? by EagleEye101 · · Score: 2, Funny

    well, at least he's creative........ right?.....

  32. Neil Diamond? by fishbowl · · Score: 1

    I cannot think of an artist who would be more likely to have, say, a retired judge with time on his hands, as a fan.

    Just sayin.

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  33. Re:PLEASE REPLY TO THIS COMMENT WITH YOUR BEST TRO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus was a Leprechaun.

  34. Re:Misleading Title by PygmySurfer · · Score: 1

    When I read the title, I thought the article was about Home being a rootkit. That is clearly not the case. I just wanted to clarify that.

    That's what they want you to think...

  35. Re:Misleading Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Almost every single one of your comments talks about how great Sony is, how great BluRay is, the PS3 is a supercomputer, Halo 3 isn't impressive, Microsoft is anticompetitive, and you think anyone trusts anything you say?

    I hope you are getting paid for this, seriously.

  36. Hey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who posted this, someone who owns stock in the New York Times? How about a link that DOESN'T require registration?

  37. Re:Misleading Title by Kris_J · · Score: 0, Troll

    Rude much? When I first read the title I thought it was about a new rootkit called "Home", not that the old rootkit reported back to Sony. Title Case Doesn't Help. Neither does using the ambiguous word "called".

  38. Re:PLEASE REPLY TO THIS COMMENT WITH YOUR BEST TRO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Jesus was a leprechaun - with a dick out to here!!

  39. mod parent up y'all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parent may be violating copyright, but he's not a troll. The subject refers to a username / password you can use to bypass NYT's lame required registration thing (see http://www.bugmenot.com/view/www.nytimes.com )

  40. Re:root kit? by jollyreaper · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Well, aren't you just a festive little ball of hate. Have fun with your trolling.

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  41. Re:Misleading Title by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1, Troll

    Did you get a free PS3 for that? Let me try!

    I love Sony! They make the best video games and have for generations! Blu-Ray is clearly superior to HD-DVD in every way. I hated rumble anyway. HDCP is the way of the future. $599 is perfectly reasonable for what all you get.

    (If it's all the same, can I have the cash instead? I'd like to buy a Wii if I can find one.)

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  42. And apparently ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Gossip isn't a new band either.

  43. New here? by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

    ... who didn't RTFA ...
    You must be new here.... We get articles now?! Sweet! I can't wait to not read them before posting!

    */me realizes entirely too late that it was karma burnt without a cause...*

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    If I mod you up, it doesn't necessarily mean I agree with what you've said, sorry.

  44. Re:Misleading Title by Aladrin · · Score: 1

    I have college-level English skills and my first thought was "Why would the new Sony 'Home' game be a rootkit? That doesn't make sense..." After re-reading the title 3 more times, I finally managed to make sense of it.

    It -is- an easily misunderstood title, especially with the hype about the 'Home' game lately. And yes, it's hype. From what I can tell, it's Second Life, but on PS3 and completely run by Sony. You'll be able to buy brand-name gear and advertisements for your character to wear and advertise different companies... Why you'd pay for this privilege I have absolutely no clue. The game itself may be free, but they've already said you'll have to pay real money for the items in it beyond a very basic set.

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  45. I Used to Think that Rick Rubin "Got It" by hondo77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Then I read this quote: ""You would subscribe to music...You'd pay, say, $19.95 a month, and the music will come anywhere you'd like. In this new world, there will be a virtual library that will be accessible from your car, from your cellphone, from your computer, from your television. Anywhere. The iPod will be obsolete, but there would be a Walkman-like device you could plug into speakers at home.

    Yes, the iPod will be obsolete. Just ask Napster...or Yahoo...or Microsoft. Sigh.

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    1. Re:I Used to Think that Rick Rubin "Got It" by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      The iPod will be obsolete, but there would be a Walkman-like device... Wow. Sony sure wants to spread FUD.

      When he says a "Walkman-like device" he really means "something made by Sony and not by Apple." He doesn't mean "something more similar to a Walkman than to an iPod."
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    2. Re:I Used to Think that Rick Rubin "Got It" by JacksBrokenCode · · Score: 1

      Maybe he does "get it". Instead of having a library in a fixed location (your iPod), you have a physical token that provides instant access to your centrally (online) stored library. Instead of having to pick the 8gb of songs/audiobooks/videos that you want to carry with you, all you ever have to carry is your token and when you plug it into an enabled theatre system you instantly have access to everything you've purchased (or everything accessible to your subscription tier, since he's talking about subscribing).

      There will always be a market for an iPod-like device since the entire planet isn't (and maybe won't be) online-accessible, but that doesn't mean there's not a market for a better storage/distribution model.

  46. Re: Falling out of Richard Stallman's Beard? by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Funny

    Should we tell Rob Manuel so he can update Name That Beard?

    http://www2.b3ta.com/namethatbeard/

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  47. Everyone sing along now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh, one, touching one, reaching out
    Touching me, touching you...


    Sweeeeet Dee Arr Emm
    Rootkit really got me good...
    I'm too naive,
    To think that Sony never would
    Oh, no, no..

    1. Re:Everyone sing along now... by MarsDefenseMinister · · Score: 1

      You're so vain you probably think this rootkit is reporting about you.

      Oh wait, that's not Neil Diamond. Darn.

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  48. Possibility: by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    He works inside Sony.

    Perhaps someone inside Sony who actually knows about it said something to him?

    Or, he's talking out his ass. But then, so are you.

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  49. Maybe this should raise more flags... by jskline · · Score: 1

    If this is indeed happening, then the public at large should be well informed about what is going on with the music purchases they are making and I suspect that most of the buying public even the computer illiterate folks would discontinue buying CD's or find a way to obtain the music through other channels.

    Further eroding of the CD medium that we all originally liked, and still do; that if it not for the rampant pimping and crapware these idiots decided to load on there with our purchased tracks, things would be more like it was in the 80's. They can't do that with Vinyl, so why isn't someone proposing bringing back the analog record??? I made copies from it cleanly all the time and still can. I bet there are hosts of them out there ready to do that.

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  50. 99 problems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You crazy for this one Rick

    - Your boy

  51. Re:Misleading Title by Boycott+BMG · · Score: 1

    While he was astroturfing, I disagree that this is an anti-Sony article. This is an anti-Sony-BMG article. FYI Sony-BMG is a separate entity that is 50/50 owned by Sony and Bertelsmann. Furthermore, the BMG side holds the top executive spots. If anything, Bertelsmann is more to blame that Sony for the rootkit, since they promoted the executives that made the decision to use the rootkit.

  52. Dick Rubin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    hahahah

    /moving along now

  53. Your knee is jerking by heinousjay · · Score: 1

    Like the other replies have said, when the hell has that ever happened?

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    1. Re:Your knee is jerking by Seumas · · Score: 1

      When has that ever happened?!

      When have you ever read a discussion about government or corporate intrusion into privacy or infringement on fair use rights and various copyright extension idiocies without a few people claiming that either the government has the right to do so, because you shouldn't care unless you are a bad person with something awful to hide -- or justifying ridiculous draconian commercial efforts to limit your rights as a consumer and relegating you to a subscriber of *everything* (even a book, even though you physically "own" it) by saying that if you make a big deal out of it, you must be a pirate and looking to commit massive theft on said company?

  54. Re:root kit? by jasen666 · · Score: 1

    The OP didn't even write that. I saw it posted on a newsgroup more than 10 years ago.
    This guy isn't even creative, he's just trolling with offtopic stories.

  55. Re:Clip of text from page 4 by Technician · · Score: 2, Interesting

    By the time Barnett first approached Rubin about coming to Columbia, Rubin had already decided that he would have nothing more to do with Columbia Records. This was because of the company's handling of the Rubin-produced Neil Diamond record "12 Songs" in 2005. Diamond was a hero of Rubin's, and he spent two years working on the album, persuading Diamond to record acoustically, something he hadn't done since the '60s.

    "The CD debuted at No. 4," Rubin told me at Hugo's, still sounding upset. "It was the highest debut of Neil's career, off to a great start. But Columbia -- it was some kind of corporate thing -- had put spyware on the CD. That kept people from copying it, but it also somehow recorded information about whoever bought the record. The spyware became public knowledge, and people freaked out. There were some lawsuits filed, and the CD was recalled by Columbia. Literally pulled from stores. We came out on a Tuesday, by the following week the CD was not available. Columbia released it again in a month, but we never recovered. Neil was furious, and I vowed never to make another album with Columbia."


    What Rubin didn't get is the fact SONY had a hand in the same bad management. He won't produce with Columbia, but WTF is he doing with SONY? Maybe he is just not informed.

    clip from bottom of page 4;

    As a kind of test, Rubin made some unusual demands. "Oh, God, I would have liked to have heard those negotiations," Natalie Maines exclaimed. "Rick knows what he's worth, and I can just hear him telling them, 'You might never see me, I may never wear shoes, you're not the boss of me.' And I'm sure they were saying, 'Whatever you want, Mr. Rubin.' I was surprised Sony made such a smart decision: someone who knows music should be running the company."

    I hope he is able to get SONY to drop all the attempted DRM & anti-copy junk starting with mini disk and CD's and ending with DVD's and thumb drives.

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  56. right to privacy? no such thing by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Where is my right to privacy codified in law?

    Here in the US I do see that I have some rights: right to religion, right to free speech, right to establish a militia(nobody is certain if that is an individual right or a state right), right to refuse to quarter soldiers, protection from warrentless searches, right to a "fair" and speedy trial, protection from excessive punishment, right to own property, right to not be enslaved or indentured, right to petition the government, right to vote.

    There seems to be only limited protection of an individual's privacy, and it does not seem to be codified in the Bill of Rights. Also I fail to see how a corporation has to follow the the same restrictions as the government. Individuals and corporations can limited a person's free speech in legal ways, such as an employer prohibiting an employee from disclosing information. Even if that information is not covered by trade secret, copyright or patent laws. they can be fired is the consequence. I can't walk into a job site and start spouting off idealogical rhetoric, and a business has every right to fire me for something unwanted that I am doing on company time. there seems to be court precedent that prevents a company from regulating your life outside of work, but there are exceptions to that as well.

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    1. Re:right to privacy? no such thing by randolph · · Score: 1

      I believe it's called the Fourth Amendment. More generally, the Supreme Court has found that without a right to privacy, various parts of the Bill of Rights are without force and that, therefore, the Bill of Rights implies a guarantee of privacy; the famous penumbra of specific guarantees of the Bill of Rights, much hated by authoritarians. See GRISWOLD v. CONNECTICUT, 381 U.S. 479 (1965).

    2. Re:right to privacy? no such thing by stinerman · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the often forgot #9, which essentially states:

      Just because we singled out some rights in the previous amendments, that doesn't mean those are the only ones you have.

    3. Re:right to privacy? no such thing by mosch · · Score: 1

      The world would be much better if people routinely asked 'what actions are ethically correct?' instead of stopping at 'are my proposed actions currently illegal in this country?'

      It's often true that a damaging, dangerous or stupid action is legal, simply because laws are nearly always implemented as a blacklist, meaning that somebody has to think to ban the specific action in question.

      The United States has an assumed Right of Privacy. EU countries all have clearly legislated rights to privacy. The fact that there may be a hole does not make an unnecessary, unexpected, and harmful intrusion acceptable. Legal, perhaps, but not acceptable.

      Company: "Hey, we can gather a small amount of nearly useless data by secretly installing a piece of network-enabled software on their computer."

      Ethical Employee: "But if everyone behaves like that, all computers will be devalued, as they will have huge piles of unmaintained, network-enabled software installed, and causing a wide variety of problems."

      Sony: "Fuck the customers, I want to know how many people listen to Neil Diamond on their laptop!"

    4. Re:right to privacy? no such thing by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Not everyone agrees that the a GENERAL right to privacy can be extracted from a right that guards against unwarranted search and seizures. Searching a person's medical records to find if they have committed a crime is an unwarranted search. I easily agree with that, but don't ascribe more to this vaporous "right to privacy" than is really there. I think any reference to the right to privacy must be placed in the context of warrantless searches, because that is what the constitution states and that is the origin of the only precedence ruling on privacy.

      Now installing root kits to gather marketing statistics as a private entity seems legal and I would argue even ethical. I would go so far as to say they might even be ethical for pin pointing which customers need to be investigated for copyright violation(piracy). I don't believe your right to privacy extends to Sony, the RIAA, or any other corporate entity. You may not like your loss of privacy in this modern world, but tough shit. I'm mainly concerned with the real problems, with people who are denied jobs because a company obtained medical records either covertly or through extortion. It's generally illegal and certainly unethical, but it does not fall under a fourth amendment right, to the best of my knowledge.

      As long as I am not acting as an agent for the government, it seems I am able to use far more "flexible" methods for obtaining evidence to use in a trial than the methods available to the police. Obviously as a private citizen I am also limited in certain ways, like I could be prosecuted for breaking and entering. but generally the evidence I gathered would still be allowable in court, unless there was a deal offered by the DA that I would not be charged, because then it turns me into an agent of the state.

      I think if you don't like rootkits on your machine, you can chase after these companies as a computer or wire-fraud crime. Which are much more strictly enforced and harshly punished than any vague right of privacy between two non-governmental parties. And laws to force disclosure by companies that are installing additional software on your computer would not be a bad thing either, but that's not a right to privacy issue either.

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  57. Re:Misleading Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, it's about time someone actually realized that there are other companies involved. I get sick and tired of people bashing Sony Computer Entertainment over something that Sony Music did, or Sony Pictures over something that Sony Online Entertainment did. Sure, they all have the word Sony in their name, but that doesn't mean they're the same people.

  58. VERY interesting quote... by Zancarius · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure you fully understand the ramifications of your quote.

    It seems to me that if a "legendary music producer" seems to be discussing the notion of what essentially amounts to a library "subscription service" for music, perhaps we ought to listen? It doesn't seem all that far-fetched that this could be the ultimate end-game of the RIAA after all. Strip the individual's freedom to copy and listen to music they have purchased, and what are you left with? If legislation comes about that effectively outlaws any form of copying, I could certainly see a world where iPods are defunct and the only way one can listen to music is to use their recording industry-approved Sony "Netman" for their listening pleasure.

    And sadly, if it were essentially ubiquitous, perhaps that legislation isn't necessary, after all. Provide a service for convenience and a large subset of the population will probably gobble it up--even for a monthly fee.

    "What about your rights to copy the music as you choose," you might find yourself asking some stranger on the streets.

    The answer? "Oh, why would I? I'm paying $19.95 a month to Sony. They let me play my music anywhere."

    If the industry moves to a subscription model, you can bet your last dollar that CDs or any other form of copy-capable music distribution will be extinct the following day. Now, let's see if they start pushing for "secure" digital speakers so that listeners cannot intentionally use the analog signal to record from...

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  59. Rootkits on vynil by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    highest debut of Neil [Diamond]'s career
    Sharp deducion tells me that at the highest debut of Neil [Diamond]'s career, people were converting from 78 to 33.3 RPM. And they aparently had rootkits then. Indeed, Sony has always been evil.
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  60. Re:Misleading Title by greg_barton · · Score: 1

    Astroturf much?

    The irony is I found out about Home because you complained about the astroturfing and got modded up.
  61. This is old news by cavebison · · Score: 1

    The article is recent, but the incident itself, that the OP mentions, happened in 2004.

  62. Re:root kit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not if you believe jasen666, see above post

  63. lack of control by Joseph_Daniel_Zukige · · Score: 1

    Well, the lack of control over the channels in the new business model is one thing that's causing the bean counters over there nightmares, I'm sure, but they have to get used to the fact that this world contains no real guarantees just like the rest of us.

    And there ain't really any "or else" in this. There were no guarantees in this world before the big institutions were built up. The big institutions were able to give an illusion of guarantees, but that illusion has been stripped away by the power of the buyer when the buyer is informed and mobile.

    Even the farmers have never had any guarantees.

    They've just got to get used to living on spec just like the rest of us.

    joudanzuki

  64. Not a particularly misleading title by iainl · · Score: 1

    Why would Home need to be a "rootkit"?

    You gave Sony all the personal information they'd want to create your PSN login. Sony wrote the OS that your PS3 is running. While connected to Home or any other PS3 online service it is securely communicating with their servers and verifying that you've not done anything to remove unwanted 'features' from that OS - they have the perfectly good reason that they're stopping cheats.

    None of the above is hidden in a "rootkit", because all of it you agreed to when you signed up for a PSN account, and it's the same for 360 owners with XBox Live. If you're the sort of person who doesn't trust Sony with your personal details, you'd be nuts to connect a PS3 to the internet. If you're not nuts anyway.

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  65. Re:root kit? by ookabooka · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah I've seen that type of first post before. . .ah, here it is After the first few words I realize I should just stop reading. . .but it's just so damn ridiculous I have to keep reading to see where the madness will end. . .like I said before, it's the literary form of goatse; curiosity is a curse.

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  66. understanding by kardar · · Score: 1

    They don't get it.

    Ok. Whatever.

    A maharishi that like Beastie Boys. A guru that leads a yoga session with Metallica.

    Gimme a break.

    What the music industry needs is something like the SEC.

    Information.

    At least that's what the SEC aims to provide -- in the first place. Information. A 10-K. An 8-K. Etc.

    What do music fans need? Information.

    Give me the name of an artist or a group and five seconds with Google and I'll have a website at my fingertips. Yet you want me to go down to the nonexistent Tower or whatever. Or perhaps wait a couple minutes for the sexy flash to load. I want a sample flac. Gimme a sample flac, mr. guru!!!

    It's over. The game is over. NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) won't save it.

    Filesharing (real filesharing, that is) provides a forum where music fans can discover new artists. What is needed is a "forum" of sorts, a "meeting place", or something along those lines -- a place (most likely virtual) where fans can meet artists and can make connections -- perhaps connections that can last a lifetime. NPD and corporate corruption can't provide even 0.00000% of what's necessary.

    P2P is a forum. It's a meeting place.

    Listen to me... Hendrix - Joplin - Morrison - Scott - Cobain - and many, many more. The industry has dues to pay. An industry that kills people for money. And bookcases full of unread spirutuality and bare feet aren't going to save anyone - they never have, and they never will.

    Music that sells itself -- they sure are willing to discriminate - to take years - to present to the public music that sells itself. But do they care about art? Do they care about creativity? Perhaps if it makes money...

    The "prospectus" and the "stock" need to be seperate things. The information about the music and the music need to be seperated. The "hook" reverses this situation. The "hook" incorporates the prospectus, the merchandising, the marketing, and the passion into the song. The song sells itself. You call this art? Gimme a break.

    Only accepting songs that sell themselves? That's not art. It's BS.

    Narcissism brought down Europe. Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler. All products of cold-bloodedness. Narcissism is obviously about to bring down the American "entertainment" industry. Bravo. What this really means is more art for the masses, which can only be good.

    Long live art.

  67. Not well thought out... by tkrotchko · · Score: 1

    "If they don't want this crap surrounding their entertainment, they can stop pirating"

    So they targeted the people who actually buy the music? Isn't that backwards? They took the customers willing to pay for their music, and trashed their computers, and spied on their listening habits. The people who simply downloaded the tracks were treated much better, as their computers were fine, and their habits were not tracked.

    This is what most people call an "idiot test".

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  68. I caught that as well by tkrotchko · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I saw those same comments and I'm surprised nobody picked up on it.

    The record companies have concluded the only way to do business is essentially through getting rid of music that you "own". All music will be streamed to you via industry approved devices and if you want it, you have to pay your $20/month. What a deal.... for the record companies.

    This does two things... it guarantees them a stream of money for essentially doing nothing, and it locks small artists and labels out of the distribution channels.

    The chances of this happening, however, are pretty close to zero. This is just a pipedream of an industry that is about dead. Their dreams about every man, woman and child paying them an annuity are the same dream where I win $300M in the lottery, but a huge house on Maui, and have swimsuit models working as cabana girls for me at the mansion.

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  69. Re:Why are there no black moderators at Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What, a member of the GNAA stole your computer?

    *me ducks* ;)

  70. Rick Rubin and Alan Cox; seperated at birth? by cowbutt · · Score: 1, Troll

    ...and I'm not the only person who thinks so, either

  71. Re:root kit? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

    Oops. Forgot to check the Post Anonymously button, didn't we?

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  72. mastering vs. mixing by colfer · · Score: 1

    It's usually the mastering, not the mixing, that compresses out the dynamic range. The musician may be there with the producer and sound engineer and whoever for the mixing, but the mastering is done later by the record company. So I have read.

    1. Re:mastering vs. mixing by ystar · · Score: 1

      You're right, sorry for the ...mix-up (groaaann)

  73. Re:root kit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow! Thanks for the update. I thought this person was maybe kinda sort of original but I guess not, LOL! It makes me think that this person is obviously very young and a bit unfulfilled. Well, that's my take on his trolling habits. I wonder what a professional profiler would have to say about such online tendencies?

  74. Re:PLEASE REPLY TO THIS COMMENT WITH YOUR BEST TRO by I(rispee_I(reme · · Score: 1

    You ruined the joke. Correction follows.

    Jesus was a leprechaun - hung like this!

    No, I didn't forget to post anonymously.

  75. Repeat after me ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Music has no value. The price that people are willing to pay for music is zero. Some music has a negative value - you have to pay to put it in front of people and they still will not buy it.

    People will not choose to pay for music when it is available for free. 40 years ago the transistor radio began this movement when people could turn on the radio instead of putting a record on the phonograph. Radio existed before but it was low quality and the sort of music people listened to demanded high quality. Today, between extreme compression and tinny little ear-speakers quality is a thing of the past. Quality is irrelevant. Quantity, both in size of a collection and in how loud it is, is all there is left.

    Recorded music has no value. I can download anything I want for free. Everyone I know fills their iPod with whatever they want for free. The idea of paying for 10,000 songs is so completely out of sync with today's generation that if you do not understand you never will.

    And don't tell me about the thriving iTunes marketplace. They have maybe 3% of the music downloads that are happening and it gives the Apple folks a good feeling that they have added some more songs to a few iPods. Compare this with your average iPod user with 1,000 or more tracks on it. Did they pay for all of those? Maybe a few rich people did. The rest, they downloaded it all for free.

  76. That wasn't a slip up by SlappyBastard · · Score: 1

    Rubin was tearing Colombia a new asshole for fucking up one of his pet projects. He's the boss now, and frankly I don't blame him for rubbing Colombia's nose into the stain they made on his carpet.

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  77. A lot here is correct. by jskline · · Score: 1

    That is a big big problem in this country right now. We are congregating around a huge population of "Sheep" and various "sheep herders". These are the nincompoops that go out and buy the dribble that is produced by said RIAA. Of course these are the very same sheep that then the said RIAA goes after to make them an "example" for the rest of the sheep.

    This whole thing sucks and stinks to high heaven. At some point I hope the RIAA just goes off and dies a very very painful and expensive death and ultimately goes away. They're helping to perpetuate the sheep in this nation and lack of brain matter therein.

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  78. Re:Misleading Title by Tsiangkun · · Score: 1

    Honestly, I don't understand that point of view.

    To me, if they want to use SONY in their name,
    then they inherit every thing associated with
    that name.

    Reputation is a double edged sword.
    It takes time to build a good one, and but a
    moment to destroy it. I'm over the walk man,
    what has SONY done for me lately ?

    And sure, these SONY companies are different
    people, but they are all trying to get your
    attention by using the SONY name. I think
    marketing types call this brand recognition
    or something. People bond with brand names,
    and people learn to avoid brand names too.

    Because the good SONY companies can't be bothered
    to separate themselves from the bad SONY, neither
    shall I bother. If it is labeled SONY, I will
    assume it comes from the SONY that supports and uses
    invasive and limiting DRM technologies.

  79. Re:Why are there no black moderators at Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Because replacing every instance of 'you' on the front page with "YO' CRACKA ASS" would cost a fortune in bandwidth. Add to that the cost of getting the /. office cafeteria to stock that much fried chicken and watermelon and you realise that black moderators would would bankrupt the company. That's if they didn't rob it first.

  80. Not really tech stuff, but good article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man, Rubin definitely marches to the beat of his own drummer. There was a tiny blurb about the rootkit stuff, but the other 9.75 pages were about how he approaches producing music. A good read!

  81. Re:Why are there no black moderators at Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe if black people (or as I like to call them, shitskins) were not so stupid, agressive, and unable to utilise technology except to an extremely primitive level (nextel chirp instead of actually dialing a number on a cell phone being a key example), then maybe Slashdot, home of the white and proud would have some shitskin editors. Until this changes, we have no choice but to make sure that no shitskins gain access to the upper echelons of the slashdot management.