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Storm Worm Evolves To Use Tor

An anonymous reader writes "Seems like the Storm botnet that was behind the last two waves of attacks is also responsible for this new kind of social-engineering based attacks, using spam to try and convince users of the necessity of using Tor for there communications. They 'kindly' provide a link to download a trojaned version of Tor. This blog entry has a link to the original post on or-talk mailing list which has some samples of the messages."

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  1. Are we late to the party? by Jennifer+York · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm surprised that it took this long for them to try to hide their tracks through anonymizers. Perhaps they've been doing this for quite sometime, and just now are we catching on to the technique...

    It just makes sense, and is obvious, and a natural progression of the technology..... Hey! Maybe I should write a patent!

    1. Re:Are we late to the party? by VGPowerlord · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm still not sure why people would actually listen to that. I mean... why would anyone just download a random program from a website without looking up said program in, say, google to see what it actually does?

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    2. Re:Are we late to the party? by Urd.Yggdrasil · · Score: 5, Informative

      They aren't using Tor to hide their traffic, their trying to trick users into download a Trojan saying that it is a Tor executable and they need to protect their privacy. The Storm bot net uses a system called Fast Flux to hide traffic.

    3. Re:Are we late to the party? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Surely they are also using their compromised TOR nodes for some nefarious deeds. Like de-anonymizing...

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    4. Re:Are we late to the party? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zhelatin sounds like one of those fake/cheap drugs they sell in spam.

    5. Re:Are we late to the party? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm still not sure why people would actually listen to that. I mean... why would anyone just download a random program from a website without looking up said program in, say, google to see what it actually does? That's easy to solve. Just add a helpful comment to the mail saying:

      If you are not sure if you should install this program, get more information at http://www.evil.org/malware/installer.exe!
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    6. Re:Are we late to the party? by rucs_hack · · Score: 3, Interesting

      if you look at sites like gamecopyworld.com you will find a wealth of programs that people will download for legitimate (in the consumers mind) use, to mean they can keep their game dvds in their boxes. Add 'trainers' and 'fun free games' to the list and your looking at the majority of casual downloads not directly involving pron or media.

      The main problem though is closed source. If source is closed, then there is no easy way to find malicious code before it is deployed on your system. Ok, I'm speaking as a programmer, so that would be useful for me, not a non coder. Still, the point remains, binary distribution only means trouble, be it storm, a sony rootkit, or just 'phone home' code in a program.

      What we need is something sort of like gentoo, where all programs are compiled locally, and the code can be inspected for malicious intent. Alas such technology, while it does exist, does not exist in a form that could be disseminated and used by people with no technological background. This is a pipe dream for the moment, I know this. Especially since I tried once to compile openoffice locally (18 hours I think). Perhaps trusted compile farms that deliver fresh binaries?

      Waxing lyrical I know, but there has to be an answer somewhere.

    7. Re:Are we late to the party? by Goaway · · Score: 1

      Why the hell would they care about de-anonymizing? No money in that.

    8. Re:Are we late to the party? by plover · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Because the modestly intelligent person you are hoping for might think, "This says to install tor, let me open a new window and google for it. Hey, this tor thing looks pretty good!" It's the sort of reaction we encourage people to have, to do some research before installing.

      Of course, they then follow the original link from the worm and they still get the trojan. So close, and yet so far... sigh.

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    9. Re:Are we late to the party? by plover · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why the hell would they care about de-anonymizing? No money in that.

      Are you kidding? If you could trace back a tor link to gaysex.com/bathroomEncounters.mpg to Senator Larry Craig's machine, don't you think TV shows like Dateline would be offering you tens of thousands of dollars for it?

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    10. Re:Are we late to the party? by ThisNukes4u · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Only if you can also trust the compiler chain.

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    11. Re:Are we late to the party? by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just because somebody can verify the code, doesn't mean I want to spend days/weeks looking through all the code in a newly downloaded program, just to verify that it isn't doing something I don't want it to, and hope that I didn't miss anything in the millions of lines of code. Do most people who use Gentoo even bother reading more than 1% of the code? Sure it's good after the fact if you find malware that you can pin it on someone, but the best way to deal with this stuff is don't run software from untrusted sources, regardless of whether or not it's open source. I'd much rather run most of my stuff out of some sort of sandbox, at least the stuff that isn't speed critical (like RDBMSs and such) so that I can monitor what they are trying to do. Things such as going on the internet should be flagged, as well as writing to certain folders. Think of it like a firewall, only for all conceivably bad actions, not just network traffic.

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    12. Re:Are we late to the party? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. They aren't using Tor at all, other than the name. The binary you download is just a bunch of trojans. They have no compromised nodes. The story title is wrong.

    13. Re:Are we late to the party? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > as long as the users have some antivirus...

      Since storm is controlled peer-to-peer, shouldn't it be possible to co-opt it into sending out anti-virus spam?

      The real problem with a huge/scary bot net like this, is not that a small group of people can control it, but that in theory anyone can take it over for their own purposes.

    14. Re:Are we late to the party? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As has been pointed out above, they are not using Tor. You don't need something like Tor if you are willing to hack into a bunch of computers yourself, and you you don't need the added protection of a mix network. They have been using proxy chains that exploit legal and cultural barriers for some time now. This is enough of a problem for law enforcement that the focus tends to stay on the money trail, Western Union, people letting them use their bank accounts for money laundering, and so on.

    15. Re:Are we late to the party? by Marcos+Eliziario · · Score: 1

      Come on, if there was such kind of stupid people on earth, we would have Bush as the President of the USA, people telling Cuba is a Democracy, and Lula would be president of Brasil. No way I can see this as a likely scenario.

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    16. Re:Are we late to the party? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Proxies are widely used, but integrating something like Tor just uses up precious file space, the smaller the worm, the easier it can spread, therefore the disadvantages generally outweigh the advantages for using Tor.

    17. Re:Are we late to the party? by Iron+Condor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The main problem though is closed source. If source is closed, then there is no easy way to find malicious code before it is deployed on your system. Ok, I'm speaking as a programmer, so that would be useful for me, not a non coder. Still, the point remains, binary distribution only means trouble, be it storm, a sony rootkit, or just 'phone home' code in a program.

      Not really. In a binary I can at least in principle parse rudimentarily for things like "does this ever call the TCP/IP stack" and raise a flag ("why should tetris initiate outbound connections?"). In source, it is pretty darn easy to obfuscate intent ("// open port for game engine here" or such). I doubt that either is really more secure. Nice that I can get the source for OOo, but am I going to actually read the whole thing and then compile it myself (after compiling my own compiler, of course)? Or am I going to download the binary?

      What we need is something sort of like gentoo, where all programs are compiled locally, and the code can be inspected for malicious intent. Alas such technology, while it does exist, does not exist in a form that could be disseminated and used by people with no technological background

      Sure it does: It's called "just-in-time" compilation. Usually used by languages like TCL or Java that compile to bytecode which is then run on a VM. In principle that allows you to inspect code (unless that code is now jar'ed up or such). And unless we are curious how something was programmed, you and I both will just run it without ever looking at the code....

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    18. Re:Are we late to the party? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Unlikely. High-end modern botnets like storm are sophisticated, self-healing fully distributed systems with strong end-to-end encryption. The days of just cracking a client exe for the IRC channel password, joining it and gaining control are pretty much over. Of course the difficulty of hijacking isn't much of a consolation given that it's in the hands of unknown criminals already.

    19. Re:Are we late to the party? by Goaway · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're expecting a SENATOR to be able to use TOR?

    20. Re:Are we late to the party? by maxume · · Score: 1

      And all the hardware involved.

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    21. Re:Are we late to the party? by Heembo · · Score: 1

      And all the hardware involved. And all administrative, software engineering, and other personal; including the janitor at night.
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    22. Re:Are we late to the party? by fractoid · · Score: 1

      And all administrative, software engineering, and other personal; including the janitor at night. And don't forget the social security of the firm. A simple "Hi, [Security Firm] here, we're doing an audit of your systems and [..bla bla stuff..] we're checking for insecure or easily crackable passwords, may I have yours?" is a hell of a lot quicker than cracking some 2048-bit public key.
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    23. Re:Are we late to the party? by Heembo · · Score: 2, Funny

      LAUGH. A technique like this was effective in getting 60% of a section of IRS employees to give up their password. When I brought this up to my dad (who works there) his answer was, why, you want mine? here it is....

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    24. Re:Are we late to the party? by MrSmileyJr · · Score: 1

      If it's something they've never heard of before, people are more likely to download and try it out of curiosity I suppose. But I do agree that it's the same old thing where you have to not be thinking to clearly or just not understand computers to be fooled to run it. TFA says it's already detected by antivirus as Email-Worm:W32/Zhelatin.IL. so as long as the users have some antivirus they should still be okay too. That is of course, unless the installation instructions say "Please turn off your antivirus before running the installation, as antivirus may interfere with installation...." :-D
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    25. Re:Are we late to the party? by Lobster+Quadrille · · Score: 1

      Just because somebody can verify the code, doesn't mean I want to spend days/weeks looking through all the code in a newly downloaded program


      Right... but when there's a few thousand security researchers out there looking for exploits, you don't have to- just add bugtraq's rss feed to your newsreader and you're relatively safe. With closed source, that's not really an option.
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    26. Re:Are we late to the party? by Shadow_139 · · Score: 1

      I think it's funny you saying "...why would anyone just download a random program from a website without looking up said program.." and have the following as a sig "I switched to Opera [opera.com], you can too!"....

    27. Re:Are we late to the party? by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

      True, but chances are you've heard of Opera. Besides, nothing's stopping you from googling Opera.

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    28. Re:Are we late to the party? by scoot80 · · Score: 1

      SkyNet is alive??

  2. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  3. Storm is still a trojan, not a worm by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As always, it works based on user stupidity, not programmer stupidity.

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    1. Re:Storm is still a trojan, not a worm by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As always, it works based on user stupidity

      Oh no, the internet's doomed! :(

    2. Re:Storm is still a trojan, not a worm by Cyko_01 · · Score: 1

      This is not entirely true. The storm trojan/worm is now evolving to use new methods of spreading itself. It is overtaking commonly used websites [ Citation ] using iframes and javascript[ Citation ] to insert malicious code. I suppose you could interpret that to mean that the owners of the website are stupid for not properly securing there system, or that the user is stupid for visiting that site in the first place, but the worm is now using javascript to exploit vulnerabilities in the web browser to spread itself.

    3. Re:Storm is still a trojan, not a worm by hairyfeet · · Score: 1
      Which is why all us geeks should be telling every non-tech we know to download noscript+adblock plus. I have already sent emails weeks ago pointing out the threat and providing the links.Added bonus is you can tell them you won't help with any computer problems if they don't have those two programs installed.

      I switched my non-tech friends to Firefox or Seamonkey ages ago(depending on whether they still use regular email or webmail)and with the noscript+adblock plus I've found the rate of "computer is acting funny" calls have dropped way down.Hats off to the noscript and adblock plus guys.Keep up the good work!

      And here are the links so you can simply copy/paste: Noscript-http://noscript.net/ Adblock plus-http://adblockplus.org/en/

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  4. Ummm. by crhylove · · Score: 1

    Anybody here taking this activity more seriously? For instance, is there a possibility that this is a military operation? Seems a lot more advanced than most of the usual spam/bot/virus stuff I read about. I hope they don't screw up TOR, especially since I'm living in more and more of a police state these days (US).

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    1. Re:Ummm. by memnock · · Score: 2, Insightful

      if TOR goes down, it's likely another network would pop up in it's place.

    2. Re:Ummm. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seems a lot more advanced than most of the usual spam/bot/virus stuff I read about. You mean... More intelligently designed?

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    3. Re:Ummm. by Urd.Yggdrasil · · Score: 1

      It's more advanced to prevent zombies from being found and cleaned as easily. The gang running the Storm bot net are making money hand over fist using it and don't want to lose it.

    4. Re:Ummm. by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 2, Informative

      For instance, is there a possibility that this is a military operation? No, this is private entrprise at its best - the high tech goes where the money is.

      What is surprising is that it's taken so long for the spammers to realise that by investing ih a high tech, well engineered solution they can make far more money than the low tech solutions we've seen in the past.
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    5. Re:Ummm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Is it inconceivable in the face of the eroding of the USAPATRIOT act and warrantless wiretapping via constitutionality claims that the U.S. Government would engage in a very sophisticated attack against the things that Americans hold so dear, such as anonymity and the fear of cyber-warfare, in an effort to pass even more intrusive legislation in an otherwise unregulated market? They can get AT&T to tap the phone lines but haven't been so successful with the myriad independent ISPs. Who have been the latest victims of the attack -- file sharers and Estonia (!) Estonia is merely a proving ground to install (yet more) global fear. File sharers of course are destroying "Intellectual Property" - practically the only thing the U.S. even exports any more. This thing goes from being virtually unheard of to global domination nearly overnight based solely on the ability to manipulate a gullible populace, a tactic with which this administration is highly prolific. So, you tell me - is it _inconceivable_?
      </tinfoil>

    6. Re:Ummm. by bakuun · · Score: 1

      I think it perfectly possible that it's a military operation. Perhaps not very likely - there are more cyber criminals out there than there are governments interested in this sort of stuff - but not impossible. A government having control over this sort of network could cause immense destruction of the infrastructure of an enemy country. And if it was a military operation, of course they would like it to look like a private thing - until they unleash it in full scale against whatever target they choose. It doesn't even need to have been constructed in anticipation of such an operation - it might just have been created for the having the capabilities if need would arise.

    7. Re:Ummm. by AaronLawrence · · Score: 1

      Most spammers are very stupid, looking for "big profits" with little or no efforts.

      Unfortunately over time they have hired some reasonably smart programmers and those guys have built up techniques that are now hard to beat. Also, a lot of the small fry spammers have been closed down by filters and controls (the main problem they now generate is funding the hard core spamemrs by buying their spamming services and software). So spamming has evolved by survival of the fittest.

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  5. If they start providing nodes this could be good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If some of their hijacked machines become tor nodes (either kind) this could be helpful. It would allow for more bandwidth through tor and reduce the fraction of nodes run by the NSA making traffic analysis harder.

  6. Spelling... by rumith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    using spam to try and convince users of the necessity of using Tor for there communications. It took me a second to understand what the author meant. Spell-checking, anyone?

    Speaking on topic, I'd like to correct one of the previous posters: it's not a mere variation on the "Use XXX Bank" theme; as far as I understand, Tor has been picked among tons of other software that could be infected and supplied to users because it helps the spammers in covering their tracks, since their email is routed through Tor now.

    1. Re:Spelling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      "there" looks to be spelled correct to me.... I think you could use the spell checker and the previous poster could use a lesson in grammar "there" vs. "their" :)

    2. Re:Spelling... by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1, Informative
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      using spam to try and convince users of the necessity of using Tor for there communications.


      It took me a second to understand what the author meant. Spell-checking, anyone?''

      Wouldn't help here. It's a correctly spelled word...just not the right word.
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    3. Re:Spelling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It looks like a variation on the "Use XXX Bank" theme to me. The spam mail looks like this:

      -8<-8<-8<-
      Do you trade files online? Then they will come after you. Read the news on
      RIAA and what they are doing to everyone they find. Tor will keep them
      from finding you. Keep the internet private and down load our program for
      free. <a
      href="http://69.255.111.145/">Download Tor</a>
      -8<-8<-8<-

      The tor.exe file isn't a real tor executable, but it contains the storm trojan instead.

    4. Re:Spelling... by lmpeters · · Score: 1

      as far as I understand, Tor has been picked among tons of other software that could be infected and supplied to users because it helps the spammers in covering their tracks, since their email is routed through Tor now.

      I had always heard that Tor was not useful for sending spam, since it imposes so much overhead (ever notice how much slower everything is on Tor?). Besides, if a botnet is being used to send spam, what would Tor be useful for, except maybe anonymizing traffic between the bots and the master?

  7. Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by kryptkpr · · Score: 5, Interesting
    There is an excellent article in Wired from several weeks ago from when Storm was used to DDoS the entire country of Estonia for 2 weeks. A fantastic read, but here's a particularly scary excerpt: Hackers Take Down the Most Wired Country in Europe

    If that is the case -- if Azizov isn't trying to cloud the issue -- the implication is perhaps more troubling. It suggests that there is a group of Russian hackers who, on their own, can disrupt the routine functioning of commerce, media, and government any time they want. If so, these hackers represent a stateless power -- a sort of private militia.

    While the article does contain a lot of speculation and sketchy sources (like the above quoted Azizov) the evidence does seem to be pointing in a particular direction:

    I ask him why anyone would trust him. After all, he seems to have a suspiciously intimate knowledge of the Estonian attacks. "Russian IT specialists are knowledgeable and experienced enough to destroy the key servers of whole states," he says. "They're the best in the world."

    The implication: Clearly you want them on your side, so why not hire them? Maybe Estonia was simply an advertising campaign.

    It's starting to look an awful lot like another Cold War is coming, except this time it will be a Cyber war waged by turning your enemy's (and the rest of the world's) poorly secured computers against their critical infrastructure while the actual government absolves itself of blame. Nice.
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    1. Re:Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      It is a hell of a lot easier to shut off (parts of) the internet than to shut off another countries nuclear weapons. This isn't going to be a "cold war".

      It will just result in things like IPSec and Kerberos being used on a wider, more general, and lower level... if it results in anything at all.

      (what I mean is: can't authenticate? Can't send data beyond this switch, sorry.)

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    2. Re:Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by zeromorph · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Nice article. My main fear is, when the internet community won't do anything the governments will even more try to regulate, monitor and control the internet. And their solution won't be to disconnect all poorly patched MSWindows machines.

      As bad as it is for tor, Estonia or individual sites, let this happen two three times and someone will start crying we have to monitor this, we have to outlaw that...

      -my2cents

      Oh and I hate this "Hackers Take Down the Most Wired Country in Europe" -- hackers? Crackers or what ever! But that is probably really a lost cyber (discourse) war.

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    3. Re:Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      And who made it all possible? Clueless morons who can't keep their computer updated and click everything sent to them. But of course, you can't do a thing against them. After all, they're who make everyone happy. ISPs, because they pay without using bandwidth. "Service" providers, because they pay for crap they could get easily for free. And of course various other companies who sell crap through the net. And hey, they even give me absolute job security, because for as long as those idiots litter the net, I will have a job trying to create a defense against the flood of malware their botted machines spew out.

      Well, now they enabled the criminal elements to hold companies, countries and whole regions hostage.

      So, now mod me flamebait and let's go on with our lives as long as we can. Sorry for the rant, but I'm really getting fed up. For every crappy thing in life you need some license, some test, some qualification, or at least you're liable if you turn out to be too stupid to operate it safely. But on the 'net...

      Ok, ok, I stop the rambling. I think I'll just go out and check if the sky's still blue. Haven't seen it since the advent of MPack.

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    4. Re:Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Hackers"? "Crackers"? Could we simply say "assholes" and concentrate on something meaningful? Like, finding some solution to it before our politicians get active and replace their cluelessness with operative hectic? It's fairly certain that some kind of law will be created, most likely one that has nothing to do with the problem, doesn't adress it at all, doesn't solve a thing and cripples the net.

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    5. Re:Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by GPL+Apostate · · Score: 1

      Well, now they enabled the criminal elements to hold companies, countries and whole regions hostage.

      Well, not really. It only seems like whole regions are held hostage to people whose entire life focus is on the 'net.

      It could turn out like that Simpsons episode where TV ceased being broadcast.

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    6. Re:Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by KZigurs · · Score: 1

      Why, exactly, do you think that Estonia affair had anything to do with "THE STORM"?
      In fact is there even a reference to this in the article you cite?

    7. Re:Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Which country would you say can currently continue to do meaningful business without internet? Which company would you say can continue without interruption if their email is suddenly cut off?

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    8. Re:Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by Kwesadilo · · Score: 1

      That article doesn't say anything about Storm. From TFA that you posted:

      The cyberattacks on Estonia, like most other ambitious campaigns, unfolded across multiple fronts. The foot soldiers were called script kiddies -- relatively unsophisticated troublemakers who copied programs line for line off hacker Web sites. Their primary weapon was the ping attack, a simple request for a response from a Web server, repeated hundreds of times per second.... Then there was the air force: botnets. These giant squadrons were made up of hundreds of thousands of individual computers from around the world that had been hijacked previously by hackers. The computers, known as zombies, could be made to repeatedly flood designated Internet addresses with a variety of useless network-clogging data.... Finally, there were the special forces -- hackers who could infiltrate individual Web sites, delete legitimate content, and post their own messages.

      Also from TFA:

      This veiled threat came as yet another 58 separate botnet attacks rained down on Estonia over the course of the day.

      There you have it. Many individual, independent script kiddies and skilled hackers in addition to the multiple botnets, not one of which was identified as Storm.

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    9. Re:Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by kryptkpr · · Score: 1

      I put two and two together. There are references to "almost a million computers world-wide" participating in the attack. Typical botnets only have on the order of 10k-100k machines, only Storm is big enough to have reached millions of zombies.

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    10. Re:Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by fractoid · · Score: 1

      So, now mod me flamebait and let's go on with our lives as long as we can. Sorry for the rant, but I'm really getting fed up. For every crappy thing in life you need some license, some test, some qualification, or at least you're liable if you turn out to be too stupid to operate it safely. But on the 'net... Why? Personally, I think you're 100% on target. Fifteen years ago, loss of internet connectivity was a nuisance at worst. Now, it could be the difference between your business turning a profit or folding. The 'net is central to many businesses, and if if an entire country can be taken offline, it'd be trivial to do it to, say, a rival corporation. Most banks are pushing their online banking systems for all they're worth - I can easily see a bank taking out a hit on their opposition's website, complete loss of online facilities could easily cost a few % market share.
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    11. Re:Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why mod me flamebait? Because I say something uncomfortable. I ask for a license to do something. And personally, I'd love to go without, instead using some kind of system of logic and brains, where you sit down, educate yourself and use common sense when using the internet. By that system, we'd neither need licenses for driving, owning firearms or dangerous animals, etc.

      Unfortunately, people are too stupid, careless or simply negligant to work that way. We want to have rights, but we'd rather not deal with the responsibility that comes along with them. Actually, it seems we're walking the reverse way, we're comfortable with giving up some of our rights (like freedom) if only we just don't have to take care of the liabilities that come along with it (or how do you want to explain the increase in acceptance of total surveillance?).

      In this case, the license isn't even needed. It's not like you can kill someone via the internet where you can't undo the damage done. But how about a bit of liability for your actions on the net? How about some responsibility for the machine you hook to it? What's so terribly wrong about the idea that you, and only you, are responsible for keeping your machine at the very least safe to some moderate degree? I don't require or request that everyone installs a network of various firewalls, gateways, guard system and honeypots, all I'd ask for is that you install some sensible AV kit, a firewall and that you don't click every harebrained malware installer mailed to you. Or find another way that would keep about 99% of existing malware out of your system.

      Is that really asking too much?

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    12. Re:Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by KZigurs · · Score: 1

      You are missing one more detail - given the heat of the issue almost any kiddie wannabies in russia (and there are a lot of them) with any kinda control over some machines (and almost any of those kiddie wannabies actually have a few spare servers/machines hijacked there and here - on order of 10-20k machines for an average scene group is not unusual) rised to arms, not to mention state groups chiming in. Had it had anything to do with the superadvertised storm it would have been a totally different story.
      For now it was just a nicely coordinated attack (and do not ask me who coordinated and how) using existing sleeping resources.
      Idea that storm was involved would imply that it is controlled by russian government.

    13. Re:Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by GPL+Apostate · · Score: 1

      We only need look back in history to, say, the year 1980 to see that companies rapidly fall out of business if their employees don't have email.

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    14. Re:Who is behind the Storm Botnet? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Times are different than they were in the 80s. In the 80s, no country, besides maybe the US, had any meaningful access to the internet. Companies relied on phone and to a minor degree on BBS style order systems. Not having internet access was no damage, nobody did.

      Today it's vastly different. It's not just email, think of all the data that is transfered "instantly" through internet based connections. Order and information system for grocery outlets, convenience stores, gas stations and so on rely heavily on it. Our health care system is based on an online connection to a centralized database (you can't see a doc without). VoIP telephony is more and more the norm instead of the exception, with large companies basically relying on it. In short, you could not even return to the 80s style of communication (i.e. phone instead of mail), because even your phone is tied to your internet connection.

      Now tell me you ain't scared.

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  8. Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, if people would do crazy shit like that then we'd have botnets consisting of billions of computers... oh wait.

    1. Re:Unlikely by beckerist · · Score: 1

      They promised me a tenfold increase in penis size too... Needless to say I'm not still called "tiny lefty" for nothing!

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  10. Who are the stormbot people? by tjstork · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seriously, somewhere, there ought to be a way of tracking the stormbot people back to its originators. From there, you can just send in a special forces team and just whack the guys. If one nation allows its citizens to hijacking of the assets of millions of another nation's citizens, isn't that just piracy by any other name, and if so, isn't that kind of an act of war?

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    1. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by Urd.Yggdrasil · · Score: 5, Informative

      The group running the system is taking precautions to avoid detection, such as using Fast Flux Also it is speculated that they are in a former Soviet block country, which tend to have very poor laws and few resources to go after such people.

    2. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Seriously, somewhere, there ought to be a way of tracking the stormbot people back to its originators. Theoretically "yes". But in practice the answer is "no".

      The people running this botnet can choose from millions of computers they want to use as anonymous bouncers/routers. And they can tripwire their nodes so that after 30 minutes of use as a bouncer, the hard disks are overwritten with 0's (although in most cases this isn't required as IP addresses wouldn't be stored anyway).

      A chain of 20 hacked computers spanning the globe operating as routers is not easy to trace. You have to talk to each owner in the chain one-by-one and catch the bounced connection in realtime to reveal the IP for the next node in the chain. And the attackers can obfuscate their presence by programming their bots to simulate these proxy connections at random. Imagine having to trace through 100,000 chains, each containing 20-30 routing nodes. These chains are completely dynamic and randomly change every half an hour.

      The Storm botnet is almost the "perfect hack" unless the perpetrators make some big mistakes. If the owners of this botnet installed Freenet on all the bots, we'd have an unenforceable darknet which can only be blocked (maybe! - if you're really lucky) at the ISP. Anyone could tap into this new darknet and do as much internet crime as they like without ever having to worry about getting caught.
    3. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Oh my. I hate to say it, but you sound so much like a stereotypical right-wing ignoramus right now. I mean no personal offense, but you just gloss over the technicalities of finding the criminals as if it's not difficult at all, then propose violence...almost _war_ against a sovereign nation as recourse.

      Send the marines, yeah! Violence is the solution! If it doesn't work, use more!

      It worked before, right? I mean, we've caught Osama, Afghanistan and Iraq are all peaceful and dandy now, there is no anti-American sentiment in Vietnam or anywhere in the world. Everybody loves the USA, because of brililant minds like you!

      *pins a medal on tjstork*

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    4. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people running this botnet can choose from millions of computers they want to use as anonymous bouncers/routers.


      That's not how they'll be identified and isn't even necessary when investigators can follow the money. The prospects for criminal charges are slim.
    5. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      When I read opinions like yours, I am left speechless every time. Even though by now I am used to head-up-the-arse, totally ignorant people on Slashdot, people like you never cease to amaze me. You are truly a leader among fools.

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    6. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by tjstork · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If by upswing, you mean on the verge of civil war...

      But less so than a year ago. sectarian killings are down. Anbar is quieting up. Baghdad is, yes, basically being ethnically cleansed, and right we're really more presiding over a partition of the country than its unification.. but it is what the people of Iraq really want...

      I'd recommend reading bbc.co.uk instead of Fox news there buddy.

      bbc.co.uk is farther to the left than Fox is to the right. Ideologically, the BBC is absolutely an absurdly liberal institution but even their radio commentators on the BBC News Hour on NPR will tell you that the United States has an obligation to remain in Iraq.

      Mostly, I'm basing my assesment on the military blogs and people that I know who are there. Petreaus is the general we should have had from the get go, but the USA has a history of going to war with incompetent generals and then switching gears to "get er done"... the civil war is the most famous example, but we sure had a few sore spots in WWII as well.

      It seems like life is improving in Anbar, which was a difficult province for us. It's the shiite areas that are problematic now, but, even so, Kurdish + Sunni areas already give us a peaceful majority of Iraq, which is certainly an improvement. If you would have asked me about Iraq, pre-surge, I would have said, let's just leave and let them all kill each other. they are all muslims anyway... but, it seems like that bigotry is proving remarkably unfounded. The vast majority of Iraqis are not suicide bombing each other.

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    7. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Theoretically "yes". But in practice the answer is "no". The people running this botnet can choose from millions of computers they want to use as anonymous bouncers/routers

      So work from the other end. How do they make their money? Sending spam, apparently. How does spam make money? Currently, either by getting suckers to send money to them (viagra, Rolexes, etc) or pumping stocks the spammers have bought. In both cases, there must be a money trail, much easier to track than chasing a chain of proxies. Then squeeze these guys till they give up their associates, and eventually the botnet controllers. It takes a government to pressure the stock exchanges, credit card agencies and banks to give up their customers, though, vigilantes aren't going to get anywhere.

    8. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Funny

      Damnit. The bad guys get all the best software!

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    9. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

      US contractor trying to build schools for them You're aware that "US Contractor" is a euphemism for mercenary soldier?

      e.g.
      http://www.blackwaterusa.com/

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    10. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      ``Given time, eventually, the truth will be revealed and they will see which side is really evil and which side is really good, and those people are going to choose to live for themselves, or to be enslaved by the very dictators that you left wing traitors continually support.''

      I do hope that given time, the truth will be revealed. However, with lies being spread and believed on both sides, it's sometimes hard to be optimistic.

      As for dictators enslaving people, that is something I have never supported and never will. If I have my history right, the USA has helped to power and/or supported many dictators in South America and the Middle East. I would have opposed this, had I been alive and a citizen of the USA at the time. As it is, I can only refer to these historical events as examples of the USA not being the angels many people believe they are, and remind people that violence does not usually make people have friendly feelings towards you.

      I don't hold Bush and his administration responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Really, I don't think you can be blamed if a determined enemy breaks trough your defenses, and to the extent that the attack was provoked, it was provoked a long time before Bush came to power. I do, however, hold him, his government, and everybody who supported them (especially those who re-elected him) responsible for the actions they took afterwards, including the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan (resulting in many more deaths than the 9/11 attacks), the deterioration of liberties of American citizens, inhumane treatments of suspects in Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, and elsewhere, just to name a few of the worst things that come to mind.

      I feel I'm doing my part. I try to do my own research (rather than swallowing what the media feeds me). I listen to people and talk to people. I try to understand everybody's point of view and how they came to it. I try to get people to think for themselves, rather then taking their pick among the phrases they hear from others (Assuming you had to choose one, would you kill Osama no matter the cost, or would you rather stop the aggresison against the USA, even if it meant letting some of your declared enemies walk free?). I've spoken out against my country's participation in Iraq, and am currently trying to convince people that silencing those who have criticized that participation wasn't a good idea. Yes, you read that right. The people in charge ignored the criticism before the invasion, and when, a few years later, one minister proposed a re-evaluation of the decission, he was told to shut his mouth in so many words. In the face of that, I can only assume something is wrong, the powers that be know it, and they are afraid of it getting out in the open.

      And yet, of course, I am the boogeyman and the supporter of dictators. Well, believe what you believe...but _please_ do so because you actually made a credible effort to get at the truth, and not because "they are on the other side, so everything they say must be wrong" or some other bogus reason. I think there are plenty of bad things being said by all parties here, and so I'm really not on anybody's side, but I want to know the truth, and I want an end to the madness and violence. It saddens me that some politicians apparently have opposing goals. If they spread lies and cause violence, and that seems to be the case, I feel I have not only the right, but the duty to be angry with them.

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    11. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by LehiNephi · · Score: 1

      There are a couple other ways these people make money:
      --Phishing, with the fake sites hosted on compromised machines
      --Racketeering - "That's a nice website you got there. It'd be a shame if something....happened to it, capiche?"
      --Mercenary - one company/country/individual pays the botnet owner to DDoS or crack an enemy's machine

      Now the first of these leaves a money trail of some sort, as long as the phisher does a wire transfer. If it's a credit-card phishing scheme, it's much harder to trace, particularly if the phisher creates a duplicate card. If the racketeer is smart, he won't leave a money trail from that one--an envelope of cash is difficult to trace. The mercenary side will also be very hard to trace, since the money only changes hands between the botnetter and his customer, leaving the victim with no clues as to the origin of the attack or any idea where the money trail starts.

      The problem with cracking down on this sort of crime is one of simple economics: the botnetters are providing a service which some people consider valuable (for whatever reason), and for which these people are willing to pay. As long as that is the case, and as long as the risk of getting caught is low, and as long as the consequences of getting caught remain relatively light, there will continue to be people willing to provide the service, legal or not. The same thing happened with Prohibition, and is common now with respect to things like speeding limits and violating copyright online.

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    12. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by Afecks · · Score: 1

      There you have it folks. Murder, the answer for everything.

    13. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "tracking the stormbot people back to its originators"

      *cough* Microsoft Windows Internet Explorer ISS *cough*

    14. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Now the first of these leaves a money trail of some sort....

      Yes, some would be hard, some easy. But these guys probably launch attacks very frequently, Once a week -- once a day? If even a small percentage of attacks/scams/etc could be tracked back to them, and they faced criminal charges they wouldn't be so cocky. Now only a few are caught per year through incredible stupidity or carelessness. They feel invulnerable. Pick some of them off and this would change quickly. Perhaps attacking infrastructure is the thing that will finally get governements to take action.

    15. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      What about the prospects for fatal Polonium injection?

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    16. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by quanticle · · Score: 1

      I would note that millions of people who liked the USA in Vietnam were executed after you left wingers sold them out.

      First, it was Nixon (hardly a left-winger) who finally got us out of that shit-hole. Second, that assertion handily ignores the fact that there was no reason for us to be in Vietnam in the first place. South Vietnam was not in a strategic location and it was hardly a paragon of representative democracy.

      In the meantime, the USA has liberated Afghanistan from the Taliban, Iraq is on the upswing, and yes, the forces of Freedom are on the march.

      Repetition does not make an untrue fact true. You and others on the right fringe have been saying that about Iraq for the last 4 years. If Iraq is really doing so well, why don't we pull out right now?

      Given time, eventually, the truth will be revealed and they will see which side is really evil and which side is really good, and those people are going to choose to live for themselves, or to be enslaved by the very dictators that you left wing traitors continually support.

      If that's the case, then why did we have to invade in the first place? Don't you trust the Iraqi's to know what's good for them and to try to overthrow Saddam (with our support, of course). No, of course not. You have to go in preemptively and put up a big show about freedom being on the march before withdrawing and replacing a bad situation with an absolutely terrible one.

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    17. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by tjstork · · Score: 1

      First, it was Nixon (hardly a left-winger) who finally got us out of that shit-hole.

      Actually, that's not historically accurate either. Nixon withdrew the ground forces because Vietnamization basically worked. The USA was still to supply weapons and air support to the South in case of a North Vietnamese attack. When the inevitable North Vietnameze attack came, the newly elected peaceniks withdrew all funding for any US efforts to support the South, based on the idea that the victorious North would be conciliarity to the South. John Kerry said at the time, and honestly, without knowing the future, it was a reasonable theory, that the there would not be massive bloodletting or purges afterwards. Except, it wasn't the case. The North killed all sorts of people in the South, and that's the lesson learned that we seek to avoid in Iraq. Vietnam was a backwater, you're right, and there was no need to be there, but once you put a country on a battlefield, you utterly have to win it, as there's so much economic and political power that comes with victory and a lot that comes with loss.

      If that's the case, then why did we have to invade in the first place? Don't you trust the Iraqi's to know what's good for them and to try to overthrow Saddam (with our support, of course). No, of course not. You have to go in preemptively and put up a big show about freedom being on the march before withdrawing and replacing a bad situation with an absolutely terrible one

      The thing is, Bush the elder and Clinton both encouraged popular uprisings against Saddam, and both failed. The guy was good at being a dictator, ya know.

      Repetition does not make an untrue fact true. You and others on the right fringe have been saying that about Iraq for the last 4 years. If Iraq is really doing so well, why don't we pull out right now?

      Did I say that Iraq was "getting better" four years ago? Nope. I said Iraq was way f--- up last year and I thought, that if the war were to continue on like that, we may as well just eat the consequences of total failure and let the arabs all kill each other, withdraw completely from the UN and basically retreat from any military alliance anywhere. But, if it can work, and there are some signs, yes, that the surge is working, then I think we need to not walk away from the mess that we created. I'm like, if we are going to back away from every war we get into when it gets too shitty, then there's no point in the USA being in any military alliance, because this country can't honor its commitments, and honestly, our allies suck anyway (except for the British). Let Putin roll the tanks across Eastern Europe and into Paris, for all I give a shit about the fucking French.

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    18. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by mdmkolbe · · Score: 1

      Seriously, somewhere, there ought to be a way of tracking the stormbot people back to its originators. Tor was designed to make this sort of tracking hard to do. The idea was to help protect free speech from totalitarian governments. The trouble is that in this case the "free speech" is a trojan/botnet and the "totalitarian government" is anyone trying to stop this botnet.
    19. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damnit. The bad guys get all the best software!

      "now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb. ..."
    20. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      None, because the people behind storm are probably the same people behind the polonium injection.

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    21. Re:Who are the stormbot people? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      From there, you can just send in a special forces team and just whack the guys. If one nation allows its citizens to hijacking of the assets of millions of another nation's citizens, isn't that just piracy by any other name, and if so, isn't that kind of an act of war?
      This thread isn't about allofmp3.com you know.
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  11. When your users are illiterate ... by DrSkwid · · Score: 2, Funny

    it is easier to infiltrate there[sic] communications.

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    1. Re:When your users are illiterate ... by pimpimpim · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      You misspelled "you're".

      [tin_foil_hat=on] All this is just collateral damage of the great "dumbing the people down" scheme that is needed to get more votes and support for political parties and ideas that make no common sense.

      As a side note, as a non-native speaker I have the feeling (based on very unscientific incidental data) that these spelling errors are more often made by native speakers than by foreigners. Maybe because as a foreigner you are thought to be more aware of the differences of these words (that holds for any language).

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    2. Re:When your users are illiterate ... by DrSkwid · · Score: 3, Funny

      are you su're ?

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    3. Re:When your users are illiterate ... by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's totally off-topic, but I find the same. I'm a native English speaker that has learned several other languages and is currently learning German. I have a German friend that constantly mixes up "das" and "dass" when writing. I can't imagine myself ever making this mistake.

      I do think though that learning several other languages also improves your own mother tongue as you're more likely to pay attention to it when speaking and/or writing it (e.g. I never use the wrong "there"/"their"/"they're" and other common mistakes)

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  12. skynet? by kicks-ass · · Score: 1

    seems kinda familiar.

  13. Misleading headline by yuna49 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Storm worm isn't using Tor.

    The spam email in question tells the reader that, if they are running torrents, they should use this Tor thing to cover their tracks. The link points to the trojan. The file in question is about 150K in size, or about 20x smaller than the Windows version of Tor (2-3 MB) on the actual site.

    I posted a warning about this very email on a well-known anime site since I suspected some people there might download it in response to the e-mail.

    There's also a version that poses as a YouTube video.

    Most of these emails have URLs that use IP addresses, not domain names. Between my SpamAssassin rules and Mozilla Thunderbird's built-in anti-malware protections, messages like these are either quarantined or tagged as dangerous. I've not seen an legitimate email from any correspondent that uses URLs with IP addresses in the host part.

    I opened the YouTube version in a Windows VM that had Kaspersky installed. It identified an attempted replacement of tcpip.sys and told me it should be quarantined. Unfortunately a ClamAV scan of the file did not detect anything suspicious.

    1. Re:Misleading headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's also a version that poses as a YouTube video.

      It's not the music video of Whitesnake singing 'Is this love?', now is it? youtube-dl seems to fail in downloading it, but I can view it. For research reasons, that sort of thing...

      honest...is what the captchka asked me to type

    2. Re:Misleading headline by yuna49 · · Score: 1

      Just an update.

      Today's version of these scams is a phony NFL Game Tracker.

      "Football Season Is Finally here!
      We can keep you on top of every single game this season.
      Get all your game info daily from our online game tracker:"

      Once again the spam sends you to a site using a URL with an IP address in the host part.

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  15. I had a different email... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    At Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:46:38 +0300 I got this:

    Subject: You are being watched online.

    Everyone who is doing file trading is at risk. The RIAA is suing one person after another. Tor will stop them from finding you. Take back your privacy. Download it for free, right now. Download Tor
    How did they get my email address?
    1. Re:I had a different email... by yuna49 · · Score: 1

      I run a store-and-forward listener on port 25 for our email services. I have a vast array of rules that block mail from known spamsites and certain types of dynamic IPs. When a message is blocked, I send back a 503 error that includes an email address real people can use to report an incorrect decision. This address has never appeared in any public location like a website where it might have been harvested by spammers through the usual methods.

      Nevertheless within about a week after instituting these policies, I started receiving spams at this private address. Obviously someone or something scanned the bounce messages for new addresses and added them to a spam list. By now the list(s) on which that address appears sold and resold many times over. The messages I see that link to Storm all come to this address, since the rest of them are intercepted before being delivered to me and my clients. (Obviously I pass through all traffic to this address so we won't miss legitimate requests from humans to unblock their deliveries.)

      So the answer to your question is basically, any way they can find them, and once they find them, they'll be spammed to death for years (decades?) to come.

  16. "there communications"? by BarnabyWilde · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    That's "their", you idiot.

    1. Re:"there communications"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      And your the 15th person to report this.

      Am I the only one that's annoyed by the Crusade Too Stop Bad Speelers and Jihad Too Correct There Misused Words?

      Seriously... No one cares outside of High School. Most of the world isn't natural English speakers, and most people have more to do with they're life then give a shit about "oh my god I misused their/there/they're"

    2. Re:"there communications"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously... No one cares outside of High School.


      Good luck keeping your future job.

    3. Re:"there communications"? by BarnabyWilde · · Score: 1

      I pity you.

      You are handicapped if you really believe what you say.

      Seriously.

    4. Re:"there communications"? by dasimms · · Score: 1
      OFF TOPIC

      I don't know what kind of job you have but luckily I can misspell many things without anyone being an ass and pointing out my mistakes - provided my message is clear. "Their"," there", and "they're" mistakes are easily overlooked and often go unnoticed.

      I think what the grammar/spelling nit-pickers fail to realize is while most of us would like to spell perfectly and use grammar correctly, we all do not have access to copy editors to revise our posts to slashdot and make corrections for errors. And if the nit-picker would truly help with a "I think you meant" or even a "I believe you misspelled ...", most of us would acknowledge our mistakes and in the future, attempt to correct our spelling and use correct grammar. Unfortunately, it appears to take a "special" someone to correct other peoples spelling and grammar and politeness does not seem to be their strong suit.

      So to all those who correct grammar/spelling, please try to be polite and you may see your pet peeve of bad grammar and incorrect spelling reduced. And to all those whose grammar and spelling are corrected, even though the delivery is poor or even rude, attempting to communicate more clearly and effectively is a noble goal so ignore the delivery but not the message.

      Now, back to our regularly scheduled topic - what was it again?

    5. Re:"there communications"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't make spelling mistakes of common words or homonyms, whether I have a copy editor or spell checker or not. I only make spelling mistakes with words I have never seen or rarely seen in text. People like me do not understand how people like you can fail to NOT see these mistakes as you write them. To me they're/there/their are as different as red/green/blue. I have *never* made a mistake with two/to or two/too, and only in extremely rare cases do I accidentally use "to" instead of "too".

      That is why people are rude when they correct these mistakes. Because they see them EVERYWHERE from hundreds of people, and we don't make these mistakes ourselves, so it becomes extremely frustrating to constantly see these blatant and obvious misspellings, where if the person typing/writing it cared at all about what he was doing or about the English language, would not make these mistakes. These are not typos. No one really cares about typos because everyone makes them sometimes, especially in a chat situation (see "teh").

    6. Re:"there communications"? by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one that's annoyed by the Crusade Too Stop Bad Speelers and Jihad Too Correct There Misused Words? Of course you are! Everyone else obviously supports the Institute For Kids Who Can't Read Good and Want To Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too.
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    7. Re:"there communications"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't know what kind of job you have but luckily I can misspell many things without anyone being an ass and pointing out my mistakes - provided my message is clear. "Their"," there", and "they're" mistakes are easily overlooked and often go unnoticed. Perhaps your employers and coworkers should point out the mistakes, in order to halt or at least slow the general degeneration of our language's grammar and/or spelling rules. If you don't get that kind of behavior modification on the job, at least you can rest easy that you can get it at any number of websites including, apparently -- and surprisingly -- Slashdot, although the feedback is likely to be less polite and/or less constructive perhaps than what you might get on the job...
  17. spam for freedom by pandaba · · Score: 1

    I'm wondering if these emails were partially inspired by a Slashdot post. Assuming I'm remembering it correctly, there was a story here about possibly spamming people in China and other internet-restricted places telling them about anonymous proxies, Tor, and other tools to get around gov't censorship.

    Thats what I was thinking when I first got one of these emails. I thought that someone went ahead and actually sent out the privacy-oriented spam. Tor is something that your ordinary Pogo-playing, pr0n-surfing user isn't going to know about, so why use Tor in a phishing, bot-infection scenario?

    Still strikes me as odd that they would use Tor as the bait. You'd think they would have picked something more appealing to the masses.

    1. Re:spam for freedom by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      You'd think they would have picked something more appealing to the masses.

      Probably they have. Odds are they're sending out a ton of different emails recommending various downloads. My server extracts all incoming attachments and puts them in a shared folder (my client machines never see attachments, just a note saying that there was one) but I see all kinds of executables coming in, with all kinds of rationales to convince people that clicking the link is a good idea. Tor is just one of them. Unfortunately, my domain is over a decade old so I'm on pretty much everyone's hit list.

      Bastards.

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  18. The largest problem with Anti-Virus software is... by Svartalf · · Score: 1

    ...that it's akin to closing the barn door after all your livestock's gone out it.

    In order for pretty much all Anti-Virus software to work, you're skimming for signatures patterns in the bytes
    that leave a tell-tale for the software to "identify" it. It's always lagging by a bit, by the reality of the situation, so
    it's truly a reactive solution to a problem that needs more of a proactive one.

    That's not to say that the software is not useful for detection of attacks (much like an IDS is for networking...) but that
    to rely on it solely as most people in the Windows world does is really being foolhardy. It is only as good as the signature
    files are, and a Zero Day or a tough to catch mutator spells the kinds of problems we're seeing right now.

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  19. Very Dramatic. by G33kGuy · · Score: 1

    I love how they use words like 'evolve' to describe the actions of programs and viruses, it makes the internet seem like a primal battleground.

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  20. Look at the timeline. by khasim · · Score: 1

    But less so than a year ago. sectarian killings are down. Anbar is quieting up. Baghdad is, yes, basically being ethnically cleansed, and right we're really more presiding over a partition of the country than its unification.. but it is what the people of Iraq really want...

    The killings are "down" in that each section has pretty much killed everyone they didn't like in that section. Or the people that were being targeted have run away.

    But warlordism is not a basis for a stable country. Which is why Iraq's "government" is completely ineffectual.

    Ideologically, the BBC is absolutely an absurdly liberal institution but even their radio commentators on the BBC News Hour on NPR will tell you that the United States has an obligation to remain in Iraq.

    Try addressing their specific points rather than dismissing them because of a "ideology" that you ascribe to them.

    Mostly, I'm basing my assesment on the military blogs and people that I know who are there.

    Sure you are. Always the anonymous sources.

    Petreaus is the general...

    And when he fails, the next general will be the one "we should have had from the get go".

    And when that one fails, the general after him will be the one.

    Repeat until we, eventually, leave.

    It seems like life is improving in Anbar, which was a difficult province for us.

    Again, give one side enough time and it will settle down because it will have killed everyone it doesn't like.

    It's called "warlordism" and it does not make for a stable government.

    It's the shiite areas that are problematic now, but, even so, Kurdish + Sunni areas already give us a peaceful majority of Iraq, which is certainly an improvement.

    The Kurds have been fairly peaceful ever since we established the "no fly zones" over their territory after Gulf War I. So don't go claiming that that is any improvement.

    Now it is just over who controls the oil fields and who gets stuck with the worthless territory.

    If you would have asked me about Iraq, pre-surge, I would have said, let's just leave and let them all kill each other.

    That is what you are advocating right now.

    That is what you are touting as the "success" here.

    they are all muslims anyway

    Gotta love that kind of insightful commentary.
    1. Re:Look at the timeline. by tjstork · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The killings are "down" in that each section has pretty much killed everyone they didn't like in that section. Or the people that were being targeted have run away.

      That's not true, particuarly, in Anbar. What happened in Anbar was that Al Qaeda was very popular because the people saw two things: a) the USA was overwhelmingly pro-shiite at Sunni expense, and that b) Al Qaeda said they were anti-American. However, Al Qaeda tried to establish a very strict brand of Islam, and started doing things like execute Iraqi Sunnis for crimes such as smoking a cigarette. Meanwhile, the USA switched its tactics, and, through a mixture of killing Al Qaeda, greasing a few palms, and outright negotations with the very Sunnis we were fighting, established the belief that we weren't out to destroy the Sunnis, and that, we were really after AQ, and that we wanted a stable Iraq. Pushing Maliki to include Sunnis was a huge part of that.

      And when he fails, the next general will be the one "we should have had from the get go".

      If he fails. Signs are, he has not.

      The Kurds have been fairly peaceful ever since we established the "no fly zones" over their territory after Gulf War I. So don't go claiming that that is any improvement

      Boy, that's a way to whitewash things. The Kurds aren't just peaceful, they are actually starting to have an economy.

      Now it is just over who controls the oil fields and who gets stuck with the worthless territory.

      The fact of the matter, is that the USA is pushing the Malika government to adopt something like the Alaska model for oil revenues - where every Iraqi would just get a piece of the oil money.

      Gotta love that kind of insightful commentary.

      My commentary is a thousand times more insightful than yours will ever be. You should really just be reading everything I write and become my disciple. I don't hold your ignorance against you. I really just want to save you, because, as a fellow human being, I kinda like you!

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  21. I propose a nationwide education campaign by Bananatree3 · · Score: 1
    Seriously, the BEST tool against botnets, virii, worms, etc. is Education. If all computer users understood basic key ideas about not downloading crap from emails, running firewall software and keeping their A/V software up-to-date there would be a huge reduction in the number of infections. The sad fact though is that only a select few people understand these basic ideas and arte actually VIGILANT about sticking to them.

    My suggestion:

    Setup a nationwide network of community educators. Local organizers in a particular community who get a group togeather to distribute pamflets, door-to-door visitations, etc. Sure its time consuming, takes money to print stuff. But simply sending letters in the mail or broadcasting this kind of information on the news media isn't going to hit it home. Develop small catch phrases that get the idea across and stick.

    Sure, some people won't give a shit and will continue to download crap from spam messages even after being told not to. This is where I think ISPs should become vigilant about cutting access to their internet and give them help in cleaning their computer (either with patches, a live-CD, etc.).

    1. Re:I propose a nationwide education campaign by someone1234 · · Score: 0

      The best tool is cutting off zombie machines.
      That surely works as an education to the dimwits who let their machine become zombie.
      All we need is a law that mandates ISP's to do this.

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    2. Re:I propose a nationwide education campaign by westyvw · · Score: 1

      Education maybe, like get away from windows as soon as possible? Obviously. But your second statement is very worrying: I dont want my ISP to give me any software or cut access, and I dont what them thinking that way at all. They already try and force me to use their crapware. No thanks.

    3. Re:I propose a nationwide education campaign by Bananatree3 · · Score: 1
      Moving people away from windows to say Ubuntu works for newbies who have never used the computer before, as they're learning something new. What makes it really difficult for the masses is that most people have already gotten used to Windows, and would give their right arm to keep using Windows. Trying to entice them to use something else is extremely difficult because they love the status quo. At that point its more effective to teach them how to be safe than uproot what they have already learned.

      I think ISPs need to take more action in notifying a user that their computer has been compromised. Cutting off may be left for the last resort, but certainly sending them emails, calling them or mailing them letters should be required. The user's ignorance to the issue hurts the internet

    4. Re:I propose a nationwide education campaign by Xtravar · · Score: 1

      I think these people are learning through experience!

      When their ISPs cut them off for spamming, or their personal information is stolen, or any other number of malware things happen... maybe they'll get a clue.

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    5. Re:I propose a nationwide education campaign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the BEST tool against botnets, virii, worms, etc. is Education."

      Sure, let me try again to educate a slashdot reader: plural of virus is viruses.

  22. Re:The largest problem with Anti-Virus software is by RootWind · · Score: 1

    Which is why any AV worth its salt is adding virtual machine heuristics. Some like Kaspersky are even integrating HIPS in their pro-active detection module.

  23. My question is.. by XenophileJKO · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the command and control and updating is done via peer to peer instead of a centralized server, why has nobody created a "Vaccine" that would spread itself back to all the infected nodes. The code can't be that hard to crack to determine how to insert new functionality into the infected hosts. Just inject a new command to spread this update to all your peers and after you succeed, close down all of the command and control vectors. Cleanup and fixing the holes originally used for infection would clearly be useful too, but unnecessary to contain the damage. Really there are tons of things you could do.

    I mean this might create an "arms race" where they continue to lock down access to the botnet, but I would love to see the looks on their faces when large sections of the botnet stop responding to commands.

    Seriously as "Brilliant" as these guys are I guarantee there are probably people smarter that can crack their network. I know what I am talking about is probably not legal, but it surely is ethical.

    1. Re:My question is.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Your plan needs 20% more buzzwords to become truly plausible. I mean, you got in "crack the code", and "inject", and even "vectors", but I'm gonna need at least a "mainframe" and a "protocols" before I subscribe to your newsletter.

    2. Re:My question is.. by sjames · · Score: 1

      There is a certain beauty to playing core wars on the live internet.

      As for why not, law enforcement and the courts (at least in the U.S.) are notorious for not taking intent into account when it comes to computer related activity. Even if the person was eventually aquitted, it sounds like a great deal of life disruption. In addition, rumor has it that the botnets are under control of the Russian Mafia.

      So, the only people who will want to try this are those who are out of reach of the Russian Mafia and the U.S. government.

      Of course, if the U.S. government REALLY cared about terrorism it would spend more effort getting rid of massive botnets and fighting spam (which funds the terrorists) and less making mothers of infants drink their own breastmilk in the airport.

    3. Re:My question is.. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Just inject a new command to spread this update to all your peers and after you succeed, close down all of the command and control vectors.

      No. Spread like wildfire, then after a short delay, wipe the drives.

      Really.

      Excepting the possibility of the worms using some 0-day exploit we don't know about yet, these are caused by people who couldn't be bothered to patch their systems, run AV scanners, use a firewall, or not click every OmGPupp1es.jpg.exe they come across. We've been telling people to do this stuff for years but no one listens because there's no real penalty for not doing so, other than the occasional sluggish computer (which people blame on their OS or other random cause).

      Well, maybe it's time someone implemented that penalty. Maybe Aunt Martha will pay more attention to the "your computer wants to install critical security updates" message if the last time she ignored it she came home to a smoking hard drive.

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  24. several ways by Bananatree3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are several ways spammers get emails. They can do massive internet searches for emails and harvest them that way (if you post on USENET with your email addy its almost gueranteed to be spammed). They also guess a username and if it doesn't bounce back they know they've got a hit.

    1. Re:several ways by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      And remember, even if you obscure your name like mad it takes only one retard too stupid to decypher it and another helpful idiot who's never heard of regular expressions and posts your email in barely obscured form for the former retard to get you targeted. Happened to me. You can secure yourself against many things but in the end you'll always have an idiot that ruins it all.

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    2. Re:several ways by Inda · · Score: 1

      They got mine from an Uncle's friend who was infected with a nasty email harvester... The thing that annoys my most is that I have warned him ten times about sending emails like this. BCC uncle FFS!!!

      To: Inda, some.friend@aol.com, another.friend@aol.com, one.more@aol.com...

      Hi everyone,

      My new email address is uncle@aol.com

      regards,

      Uncle

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  25. There was such a anti-worm worm... by Bananatree3 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Nachi worm was written to search out computers infected with the now-famous Blaster worm and patch the computer with a Microsoft patch. It replicated itself around the world, and once the patch had been implemented and the Blaster worm deleted it deleted itself. Unfortunately it created a heck of a lot of traffic on infected networks, which slowed them down considerably.

    1. Re:There was such a anti-worm worm... by XenophileJKO · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but again it raises the question about why nobody has tried that with this botnet. The situation is drastically different. The Nachi worm had to FIND other infected computers, which caused a lot of traffic. In this situation we have infected machines with a command and control framework that works through peer-to-peer, therefore each infected machine already knows a set of infected peers. You should be able to instigate a cascade failure of their botnet but inserting commands into the network.

  26. from the above article. by Bananatree3 · · Score: 1
    It notes that:

    Railway and freight hauler CSX had to stop trains because of the Nachi worm, the Associated Press reported.

    Airline Air Canada canceled flights on Tuesday because its network couldn't deal with the amount of traffic generated by the Nachi worm.

    Though it cleared out the blaster worm, it created a hell of a lot of damage itself by the mere fact that it clogged networks with traffic.

    1. Re:from the above article. by XenophileJKO · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but you understand the fundamental difference I hope. The Nachi worm was a worm that had to FIND infected hosts. Therefore it had to look using a port scanner which when you have thousands of machines scanning thousands of IP's creates huge amout of traffic.

      In this situation, the beauty is that you don't have to create a "worm" in the classical sense. Each infected client maintains a "peer" list so all you do is "fix" it's peers, it would cause a cascade failure of the botnet and use up much much less overhead than the Nachi example.

  27. time traveller from 1987 goes 20 years in future, by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Funny

    gets a sneak peek at Slashdot headlines:

    "hmmm, what is going on in the far off fantastical future of 2007?"

    Bringing Science and Math Into Writing?

    "Ah, an age old problem"

    Libraries Defend Open Access

    "Some sort of Fahrenheit 451 situation? has the government gone fascist? or the russians won the cold war?"

    New Legislation Proposed For Nuclear Safety

    "Ah! Chernobyl is still fresh in their minds! At least it seems we didn't nuke each other"

    Storm Worm Evolves to Use Tor

    "SWEET JESUS! DUNE IS REAL!? AND IN CAHOOTS WITH THE SCANDINAVIAN GODS? WHATR SORT OF SCIFI FANTASY FUTURE IS THIS!"

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  28. Need editors who EDIT by The+Monster · · Score: 4, Funny
    Arguably, what is needed is the low-tech sort of spell-checker. Before we had automated computer programs, newspapers had people called 'copy editors' who would proofread the articles submitted by the reporters. They were looking not only for spelling, grammar, and usage problems, but they also would do fact-checking.

    Perhaps we could make the distinction clear this way: A machine that sells soft drinks is often referred to as a 'vender', while the guy selling hot dogs is more likely to be called a 'vendor'. With that in mind, I have toyed with a similar convention for other verb+er nouns:

    The person who checks spelling could be a spell-checkor, and the computer program would remain the spell-checker; the human surfing the Web would be a browsor, using a browser program. Programs such as vi or emacs would be editers....
    It's got as good a chance of adoption as *bibyte does.

    Now, if Cmdr Taco could just get editors who actually EDIT... Oh. He's the 'editor' who ran this story? Never mind.

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    1. Re:Need editors who EDIT by HAKdragon · · Score: 1

      It's got as good a chance of adoption as *bibyte does.


      Dear God, I hope not. It (*bibyte) has polluted Wikipedia for damn near every article dealing with storage space, communications, and data.
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  29. antibot p2p worm by Bananatree3 · · Score: 1

    As you point out, an antibotnet worm spreading across the 'net would be not be nearly as much traffic as portscanning as the IP addresses are already known. I agree it is possible. The complexities of taking sections of the net offline though without the botnet owners noticing and dynamically patching the rest of the 'net are incredibly difficult though. It would be an incredibly complex game of cat and mouse, but it is possible.

  30. storm=skynet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    storm=skynet

    1. Re:storm=skynet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the worm generally referred to as 'Netsky' by the antivirus industry is called Skynet internally. I suppose they wanted to come up with a unique name for people to search for.

    2. Re:storm=skynet by fractoid · · Score: 1

      I thought it was to piss off the virus writers. Apparently later versions had some text in the executable saying "It's skynet, morons, not netsky" or something. :P

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  31. Sounds a bit daft. by EddyPearson · · Score: 1

    This sounds a little stupid to me, as the kind of privicy aware person who'll want to use Tor, is also the kind of person who'll have Anti-Virus software and won't fall for classic malware tricks.

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    1. Re:Sounds a bit daft. by MLease · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure about that. The general public has been hearing all kinds of things about identity theft, spyware, etc. (even though these are different issues). This might cause them to leap to the conclusion that anonymizing their Internet activities might protect them, and think "Oh, look; I've heard of Tor, and here's an installer!" Spam works on enough people to make it worthwhile to the spammers; that's why it keeps coming.

      -Mike

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  32. Could it be a bit more misleading? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Storm isn't using TOR, it claims its installer to be a TOR proxy. C'mon, malware has been claiming to be something useful for ages, why's this news?

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  33. Woud you kindly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    install a trojan-infested Tor?

  34. You don't have to download the file to be infected by sjmurdoch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, if you're using an unpatched browser, you might not even have to download the file they offer to be infected. The web page includes Javascript exploits for half a dozen security vulnerabilities, which will install the trojan without user interaction. I've posted an analysis of the malware code on my blog.

    Despite what the article says, Storm isn't using Tor (other than trying to exploit it's reputation) and the download isn't a trojaned version of Tor – it's much too small to be that. What's more, the botnet operators appear to have dropped this strategy. While on Thursday the links in the spam went to a fake Tor download page, on Friday they showed a fake YouTube video, and now they show a fake NFL game tracker.

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  35. Um... excuse you? by Linkiroth · · Score: 4, Funny

    Your link didn't work.

  36. This is *not* using the Tor network or software by shava · · Score: 5, Informative

    This attack is not using our network or our software, only abusing our reputation. We sent this release to slashdot and others, days ago:

    ====
    The Tor Project, a US non-profit organisation producing Internet
    privacy software, is issuing an urgent warning about a spam email
    being circulated as a fake promotion for their software.

    The real Tor software provides privacy on the Internet to journalists,
    bloggers and human rights activists all over the world. The spam email
    promotes the virtues of the software, but then directs people to a
    series of fake websites that contain malicious code that will attempt
    to take over visiting machines, and the downloaded software is fake
    and equally dangerous to run.

    The real website is hosted at http://tor.eff.org/ and the Tor
    software can be downloaded from there. Users are able to check that
    they have received the official version by following the instructions
    at: http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/Ver ifyingSignatures

    Shava Nerad, Development Director for the Tor Project said, "I am
    disgusted that criminals who want to recruit more machines for their
    illegal activities should trade on our reputation for providing
    privacy on the Internet. Fortunately we already have systems in place
    so that people can verify that they are downloading the official
    software. But this is a distraction from our work that we could do
    without."
    ====

    This stuff makes us sad. But you won't even get a trojanned client, just a trojan. And the page you click through to will try to exploit holes in your browser security, so don't even click through.

    Yrs,
    Shava Nerad
    Development Director
    The Tor Project

  37. Maybe not so new, and not just e-mail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This might have been going on for a while: I've noticed an increase in usenet spam with subjects relating to anonymity in several usenet newsgroups.

    It seems to have been going on for several weeks in some newsgroups, but around the first of this month it's started to turn up in groups that were "clean" before, and the number of spams per group seems to be higher than before (much higher, in some groups).

    I haven't followed any of the links, but the variety of URLs seems to indicate a multitude of throw-away servers - i.e. a botnet, or at least a lot of throw-away domain names (I just took a look at some more messages, and haven't found two that 'advertized' the same URL).

    It could be the same gang.

  38. Further refutations... by tjstork · · Score: 1

    First off, the BBC's bias is legendary and self admitted.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/new s/news.html?in_article_id=411846&in_page_id=1770

    They admit they are biased liberals because they feel that their view of society is intrisincally better. It doesn't mean that you can't just not listen to them, any more than you would tune out Fox. It just means that you need to know what their agenda is, and not take what they say without a grain of salt.

    Sure you are. Always the anonymous sources.

    As opposed to you, merely making things up, to suit your political agenda.

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  39. Intriuging. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if the Storm botnet installed Tor on all of their machines would they effectively have the plurality to compromise the anonymity of the Tor network?

  40. So would IPv6 actually fix this? by tjstork · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've read that IPv6, because it includes the MAC, could theoretically help this. But is that true? Could the MAC be spoofed? Or, could an ISP include coupling hardware that validates the MAC and the packet sent are the same? Theoretically, you could require that in network hardware manufacturing, so that a NIC Card would not be allowed to transmit a packet with an address that wasn't from it. But would that be enough?

    Even if you weren't ideologically predisposed to sending in the SEALs to whack people for sending out spyware, you could at least block the source traffic and then gradually clean up the already infested machines or rob them of command and control without firing a shot.

    I just get enraged by all of these attacks as, honestly, giving money to security people is a sort of a trampling of my job and freedom. The internet is reduced to, our "white warlords" versus their "black warlords", and I think this arrangement is total crap. I can't stand the world where we can't send EXE's as attachments and even images are suspect because I remember how cool the internet was when you could.

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    1. Re:So would IPv6 actually fix this? by Workaphobia · · Score: 1

      > "I've read that IPv6, because it includes the MAC, could theoretically help this. But is that true? Could the MAC be spoofed? Or, could an ISP include coupling hardware that validates the MAC and the packet sent are the same? Theoretically, you could require that in network hardware manufacturing, so that a NIC Card would not be allowed to transmit a packet with an address that wasn't from it. But would that be enough?"

      I only have a cursory knowledge of IPv6 but I don't believe there's anything in there about the last 64 bits containing 48 MAC bits being *mandatory*, just one possible default scheme for selecting IPs. There's no reason why network administrators shouldn't be able to employ static configurations of their choosing, NAT, etc. Requiring hardware manufacturers to validate IP headers would be obscenely invasive, add to the cost of production (since nothing about IP is handled in the firmware of normal NICs as far as I know), and most certainly not work as the few people where it really matters would be able to get around it anyway. In short, doing that sort of thing is like making nmap illegal just because it can be used for evil.

      > "Even if you weren't ideologically predisposed to sending in the SEALs to whack people for sending out spyware,"

      I don't think anyone here is opposed to that.

      > "I can't stand the world where we can't send EXE's as attachments and even images are suspect because I remember how cool the internet was when you could."

      It would be nice indeed if all the software that we ran were mathematically proven correct and secure. It'll get there, it'll just take a while.

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    2. Re:So would IPv6 actually fix this? by ThinkingInBinary · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've read that IPv6, because it includes the MAC...

      IPv6 only includes the MAC if it is configured using Stateless Autoconfiguration, and if Privacy Extensions are not turned on. If it is configured using some stateful method, like DHCPv6 or a static IPv6 address, the address could be anything. Likewise, if Privacy Extensions are turned on, then Stateless Autoconfiguration will rotate among random address that don't include the MAC, but are still unlikely to collide with other hosts' addresses.

      But what good does knowing someone's MAC address do you? You can identify if they switch IP's, maybe, but then what? Botnets rely on hundreds of thousands (or, in this case, millions) of machines with different addresses and ISP's, so knowing the MAC of one would not help much. If a MAC was all you had to go on, it might help, but by the time you tracked down the MAC of one host, they'd have switched through dozens of others, and there'd be no information for you on the host you tracked down.

  41. Real programmers don't need source code. by sowth · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh come on! You aren't a real programmer. Everyone knows the binary is the source code. My uncle eddy doesn't even need those fancy disassemblers or debuggers. He edits memory by looking at LEDs and flipping dip switches. Now that is a real programmer.

  42. It means that Tor is compromised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful



    If they add a large number of trojaned Tor clients to the network, it will undermine the privacy of Tor communications and allow things like traffic analysis.

    This isn't necessarily a ploy to use Tor, this may be a ploy to compromise Tor.

    Any chance that storm might be the work of a government?

    1. Re:It means that Tor is compromised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any chance that numbnuts like you can read the fucking article and the fucking multitude of posts prior to yours which all state that this has nothing to do with the Tor project at all, that the downloaded trojan is not a Tor client and does not use the Tor network, it merely claims to be a Tor client to get Joe Sixpack to install it? Any chance of that at all?

      Now be a good little typical Slashdotter and don't reply to this post that so clearly refutes what you said since you "didn't see it".

  43. just what Tor needed.. by deviceb · · Score: 1

    botnets to slowdown Tor, thats just great. Why dont some of these botnets morph there nets INTO a tor like device. That way we would all benefit from the giant mesh-tor-nets..

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  44. Note to world: computer programs don't evolve by gatkinso · · Score: 2, Funny

    Human beings modify them, fix bugs, and upgrade them. Be it a computer virus, spreadsheet, or operating system.

    Sometimes they intentionally break them.

    But they don't spontaneously "evolve", "mutate", or any other such thing.

    Christ.

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    1. Re:Note to world: computer programs don't evolve by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 1

      Unless you trade it to someone else when it has the up-grade equipped. Duh!

    2. Re:Note to world: computer programs don't evolve by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      A program can be coded to rewrite its own code using random parameters with obfuscated junk code in between real content(often encrypted).
      read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphic_code

    3. Re:Note to world: computer programs don't evolve by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      the program will still perform the same function - it will still do essentially the same thing that it did from day one. For example, boot sector virus won't suddenly "mutate" to exploit Active X vulerabilities, unless it was written to do so from the start.

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  45. Spelling these days by dafing · · Score: 1
    First I saw an article about something happening in New Zealand that was filed under Australia for some ignorant reason, and now I read in another summary their/there getting mixed up!

    Kids these days...

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    1. Re:Spelling these days by Frigga's+Ring · · Score: 1

      Are you referring to the Tracking Device story? If so, it said "down under" which, to the best of my knowledge and Wikipedia (not that either of the two are always right), means both Australia and New Zealand.

  46. "Evolve" is an apt description by jamrock · · Score: 1

    I love how they use words like 'evolve' to describe the actions of programs and viruses, it makes the internet seem like a primal battleground.

    It's the perfect description of how the attacks are responding to changes in their operating environment, and developing gradually into more complex forms. And you're more correct than you give yourself credit for: the Internet is in fact a primal battleground, between criminals intent on exploiting weaknesses wherever they can find them, and security professionals and honest users trying to play catch-up. The Storm botnet is a frightening new development, and I must say that, as a former military man, I immediately thought of a number of ways that such a powerful grid could be used for covert or direct action against potential or real adversaries. And no, I won't say what I came up with; you can imagine scenarios for yourselves, but the Russia-Estonia cyberwar was only a minor foretaste.

    There are many, many people in military service whom I consider much more intelligent than me, and much more amoral as well. I can guarantee that the military and intelligence communities worldwide thought about this years ago, and I'd be willing to bet your personal freedom that military botnets have existed for a long time unknown to most, lurking like unseen leviathans in deep, dark water, and doing things not worth thinking about if you want to sleep at night. More terrifying to me is the thought of a mercenary botnet offering its services to rogue states or terrorist organizations, and focusing its power against its enemies. This is an incredibly cost-effective way to wage supremely damaging warfare.

    1. Re:"Evolve" is an apt description by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to drum up it up even more. Quit spreading this movie drama crap. Leviathans of the deep? It's a fucking computer network. Do you know what the fuck you're talking about?

    2. Re:"Evolve" is an apt description by G33kGuy · · Score: 1

      It had occurred to me after I had posted this that it was a fitting description. The internet is a pseudo world, superimposed over the one that exists physically. It can be used to affect our real world.

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    3. Re:"Evolve" is an apt description by mdmkolbe · · Score: 1

      The "evolution" here is externally, not internally, driven.

      The Storm botnet isn't making itself better (through natural selection or otherwise). The best that could be said for it is that it is getting bigger. As far as actually improving the sophistication of attacks, it is still about people are learning how to make better botnets.

      It's the difference between "John is improving" and "John is being improved". It's just too bad "The botnet is being evolved" isn't good grammar; that is what is actually happening.

  47. Email blocking of Executables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gmail does notallow you to send executable files. I don't think it allows you to receive them either though I'm not certain about that. Legitimate sends of executables by email are probably a very small portion of email so wouldn't it make sense for most email providers to block it at the server? It wouldn't even affect those of us who want to mail ourselves a copy of putty or something as you can just put it in a password protected rar file and mail that. (That's what I do if I ever need to send myself a prog on gmail. either that or truecrypt)

  48. Is Windows to blame for this situation? by master_p · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apart from user stupidity, is Windows to blame for this situation? if Windows had a better security model, would there be such problems?

    Can a massive lawsuit against Microsoft work?

  49. Not hard to catch... by akkarin · · Score: 1

    I mean, their download link is torjan.exe!

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  50. Storm trojan depends on users, however... by Bananatree3 · · Score: 1
    In this particular case its social engineering of ignorant users that is the biggest culprit. Saying that however, Windows in my opinion should have much better safeguards against the trojan once downloaded. At that point is like trying to control a bull in a china shop with the way Windows is built.

    I don't think such a lawsuit against Microsoft would work, granted the legions of lawyers at their dispoal. Also the fact that the user is infact at fault, though unknowingly for letting it in.

    A zero-day worm infection, which have happened before, in my opinion may be successful. In that case there is no patch for the hole, and if Microsoft knows about it they may be at risk if they don't immediately patch it. However I am not a lawyer, and trying to fight such a battle in court against Microsoft would surely cost hudreds of thousands to millions of dollars given the legal resources they have.

  51. *sigh* by jamrock · · Score: 1
    Here I go, breaking a personal cardinal rule by replying to an AC....

    Way to drum up it up even more. Quit spreading this movie drama crap. Leviathans of the deep? It's a fucking computer network. Do you know what the fuck you're talking about?

    I'm sure that the people of the Republic of Estonia would wholeheartedly agree with you that it's just "a fucking computer network". That is, until their entire electronic infrastructure locked up tight for two whole weeks and as far as the rest of the world was concerned, Estonia simply vanished from the Internet. And they couldn't do a goddamned thing about it. A nuclear weapon is just a hunk of enriched uranium and triggering explosives mixed with a bunch of electronics in a metal casing. It's the intent of the owner we have to worry about, not the weapon itself.

    Obviously you're just another mouth-breathing cretin hiding out in his mother's basement wanking to Internet porn, but you can't possibly be so fucking stupid as to think that things that can seriously hurt you don't exist just because you don't believe in them. Have you been following the activities of the Storm botnet, or are you just farting from the neck? Storm is a whole new ballgame moron, and clearly you belong to the head-in-the-sand variety of dolt, the type who thinks that it'll just go away if we don't talk about it, and that anyone who raises the more disturbing possibilities is spreading "movie drama crap".

    And yes, I do know what the fuck I'm talking about; I still have friends deep in the U.S. Army IT command infrastructure whose very jobs involve countering exactly such threats, and envisioning potential threat scenarios that would make your atrophied scrotum wrinkle. And it damned sure ain't "movie drama crap", as you so charmingly put it. Now go back to jacking off on your Brittney posters; adults are trying to have a discussion here.

  52. Apologies by tjstork · · Score: 1

    I apologize for using such strong remarks. Feelings for me run higher about the world than I want to realize.

    For me, I think we shouldn't have done it, not in 1991, and not in 2003. The whole Iraq situation since 1991, from the original decision to let Saddam off the hook to the ridiculous sanctions which only starved the Iraqi people, to the invasion and its aftermath has been a continuous American disaster and at this point I'm more than done with the idea of the USA as the policeman of the world.

    It's simply not worth it.

    I want to "win" in Iraq, so that we can save national pride, but after that, I want -out- of every military alliance the USA is in. Jack up the size of the Navy and the Air Force, and then pull the troops out of Asia, Europe, the Middle East or wherever they may be. The system of alliances the USA finds itself in is absurd. We'll go and fight to help every country of the world in its wars, but, somehow, except for the UK, no country of the world does anything significant to help the USA fight -it's- wars.

    Furthermore, let's accept that the left wing premise is correct, that you cannot impose democracy at the barrel of a gun, then, the entire notion of Americans providing stability to Europe or Asia is a sham. The people of the world can choose what they want to do, and they don't need American soldiers to act as trip wires. If South Korea wants to disarm in hopes North Korea will suddenly be nice, its not up to the USA to pick up the slack. Same with Europe. If Russia wants to start bullying Europe, it's not an American problem.

    I'm really sick of sitting and hearing about all these "American problems" in other parts of the world, but when I look around, I see plenty of American problems at home. Our national infrastructure is falling apart, we have huge energy issues, and instead, we blow billion s each year to give the rest of the world warm and fuzzies about their security while at home our own people don't even feel secure about their jobs, let alone future.

    I keep hearing how the rest of the world now hates the USA.. Fine. I don't really know that I like the rest of the world either, but we can remain trading partners and keep the free trade, as it does benefit both. Through trade, maybe we'll be friends again. But, let's not put American soldiers and American taxpayer dollars on the line to provide a security blanket for the world that hates us. That's just stupid. Putin, Chavez, the heads of Iran and North Korea and sometimes China, the petty dictators of lore in the former Soviet Republics, not one of those evil guys is an American problem. They are dicks, so what. But, let's focus on making money at home first.

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    1. Re:Apologies by tjstork · · Score: 1

      Dude. The World is just too well connected and complicated now to pull out like that

      I'm not saying trading relationships, but military ones. By all means, keep the goodies flowing around the world, it's good for the planetary economy and that's ultimately good for the USA. But I see no reason for the USA to be in all of these military alliances. Granted, pulling out of these alliances and ending Pax Americana might plunge the world into a bunch of local wars, but, in the long run, I don't see how the USA can continue to dominate the globe - although, I must admit, the ratio of USA GDP to World GDP is actually getting better on the USA side over the last decade.

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  54. Stop lying, Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're not using Tor, and you know it. They're using a trojan that disguises as Tor. (They're probably using Tor internally, but that's clearly not what this is about.)

  55. Anti-worm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't Microsoft have some responsibility in stopping their OS from being used in a criminal botnet? Can't they, or anyone else for that matter, create a counter-worm (or virii or whatever) which spreads over the net much like other worms or virii, enters Windows-systems through some unpatched security hole, scans for and deletes the worm, and while it's at it, patches the security hole it came through? Is there anything that keeps this approach from being effective? Obviously windows update and AV software requires too much involvement from the user to be an effective protection for everyone.

    If nothing else it might be entertaining to follow the results from the colossal worm-vs-anti-worm battle that would ensue.

  56. I still love you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why haven't you married me?

  57. How to stop it by caller9 · · Score: 1

    Regex for your mail filter of choice.

    https?://\d*\.\d*\.\d*\.\d*.*