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Which Lost/Stolen Laptop Trackers Do You Like?

saudadelinux writes "I was held up at gunpoint in July, and my laptop was stolen. There are companies out there which, for a fee, install tracker software on your laptop. If it's stolen or lost, they track its whereabouts whenever it gets on the 'Net and work with local law enforcement and ISPs to find the machine. I'm wondering: has anyone used one of these services? Does anyone have a recommendation for which company to go with? My new laptop is a a dual-boot Ubuntu/XP machine, and the couple of companies I've looked at do Windows-only. Are there Linux options?"

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  1. Hmmmm... Selfmade solution? by jawtheshark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A pack of semtex in your laptop.... If you fail to write the correct password after three times, it explodes...

    I'm kidding... If those programs can track muggers, they can also track you and that's why I wouldn't trust them. The best way to handle this is to encrypt all your data and insure your laptop against theft. Oh, and daily backups of your data on trusted media which you lock away in a safe.

    Essentially, only your data is worth something. The hardware can be covered by insurance.

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    1. Re:Hmmmm... Selfmade solution? by glop · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, there is something to be said for reducing the value of the stolen good. If you make it more dangerous to resell and purchase stolen laptops through identification techniques (engravings, serial ID marked stolen in the laptop vendor's customer service database etc.), you reduce the incentive for stealing them in the first place.
      Just buying insurance does nothing to improve the situation, it just mitigates your own risk (which is good). Encryption and backups are good too, of course.

    2. Re:Hmmmm... Selfmade solution? by Penguinshit · · Score: 4, Funny
      A pack of semtex in your laptop....

      That would make airline travel more enjoyable...

    3. Re:Hmmmm... Selfmade solution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Laptop trackers are a betrayal of the Free Software philosophy. The Free Software philosophy employs its own method of laptop theft countermeasures. If you install only linux on the laptop, the thief will be so confused, he'll return you your computer. Now that's what I call sneaky.
    4. Re:Hmmmm... Selfmade solution? by ThinkingInBinary · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your comment seems to miss the point. First, DRM, like encryption, can be used for good or bad purposes. Properly controlled, you can use it to deny thieves access to your laptop or deny them the ability to remove the DRM, while still allowing you (with cryptographic authentication) to modify it. The point of tracking down the thief is to recover the laptop, since it is worth quite a bit of money. Sure, insurance will cover it, but if you can save the deductible by just finding it, why not? I also disagree that laptop trackers "betray" the free software philosophy by definition. As long as *you* are in control, and could uninstall the software if you wanted, there's no problem.

      Second, please don't try to explain how we shouldn't be annoyed when people steal our stuff because they need the money. That's a slippery slope that leads in a bad direction. Besides, like I said, it's about getting the data back.

    5. Re:Hmmmm... Selfmade solution? by Creedo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      don't complain when someone needs a few hundred bucks, more than you need a PORTABLE INTERNET COMMUNICATIONS DEVICE!!!!!
      He was held up AT GUNPOINT! This wasn't a "broke the car window and swiped a laptop" type of crime, this was someone brandishing an instrument of death. Yes, sir, I want that person locked up until such time(if any) as they can be rehabilitated.

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    6. Re:Hmmmm... Selfmade solution? by sdpuppy · · Score: 4, Funny
      engraving won't help and who checks laptop engravings

      Now you tell me, after I used my bowie knife to dig my name and contact information into the screen of my laptop... :-)

    7. Re:Hmmmm... Selfmade solution? by Reverend528 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One of the best self-made solutions I've heard of is a custom bootloader image (pretty easy to do in grub). It displays a picture of the owner, his or her name, and a phone number to contact if the laptop is found. It'll be the first thing the pawn-shop clerk sees when they turn it on to test it out.

    8. Re:Hmmmm... Selfmade solution? by darkonc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Then don't complain when someone needs a few hundred bucks, more than you need a PORTABLE INTERNET COMMUNICATIONS DEVICE!!!!! The guy had a gun. If he really needed the money, he could have sold the gun.
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    9. Re:Hmmmm... Selfmade solution? by Provocateur · · Score: 5, Funny

      The only solution? Anti-theft stickers!

      ANTI THEFT: Runs Slackware Only!

      GENTOO: Not For You

      DEBIAN: CUTTING EDGE (2 years ago)

      NO GUI: RUNS CLI ONLY

      and so on

      I kid, I kid!

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  2. Active Countermeasures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I use a built in grenade on a timer you must reset every 24 hours.

    I did forget to reset it once with tragic consequences. I really miss that dog.

    Oh well, its the price you have to pay for security.

  3. Don't bother. by Bartab · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First thing that happens is the laptop gets wiped.

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    1. Re:Don't bother. by MitchInOmaha · · Score: 5, Funny

      Only if they're reasonably smart. We had a thief call Dell Support after he could not get logged in. Duh. -- Mitch

    2. Re:Don't bother. by A+non-mouse+Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      First thing that happens is the laptop gets wiped.
      Exactly. There are only two motivations for theft of a laptop:

      1) The hardware. In which case, the data will likely be destroyed immediately. There is no guarantee the machine will be booted with your hoodwinked "locator" software in tow.

      2) The data. In which case, the drive will be imaged or some other "offline" method will suck up the data without booting the OS's controls.

      The reason why remote wipe/kill functions work on a small device like a blackberry is because the service provider's network is required for the device to be usable. And even then, there's still the option that the theft is hardware-only motivated, and the thing will get wiped anyway. The blackberry wipe wasn't ever really intended on being used for a physical recovery method.

      Potentially, a system BIOS would be a good place to run a "phone home" program, except that it would require advanced components, like a TCP/IP stack, etc., to run properly, and it could still be easily wiped by replacing the firmware with boot media. Apple, for that matter, has an upper hand at such a tool since they "own" both the hardware and software. But either way, what you're attempting to do is no more possible than DRM (and Slashdotters know that DRM is nothing short of an attempt at perpetual motion).

      So lesson #1 is protect your data and insure your hardware. And please remember, that "protect your data" really could mean not having a copy of your data on the laptop at all. After all, encrypted data in the hands of an adversary is still your data, just with a time-sensitive lock on it (the length of time needed for CPU power to increase where access is trivial, or the length of time a well-resourced adversary will need to destroy today's top crypto).
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  4. Roll your own or wait... by Dareth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Either roll your own or wait. If you are lucky, someone will rob Linus Torvalds of his laptop, all production on the kernel will stop while Torvalds and friends crank out a "stolen laptop tracking system" that is greatly superiorthan any other.

    If you are really proactive, you could go steal his laptop yourself. That way you have another laptop to use, and you will jumpstart this scenario.

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    1. Re:Roll your own or wait... by pugugly · · Score: 4, Funny

      BRB - off to mug Linus

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  5. Linux Monitoring by Nosklo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems to me that you can always install some software like that yourself. Once I lost my laptop in my own house. Since I have ipcheck in a cron job, updating my laptop's IP address on DynDns, I just SSHed into it and made it play loud sounds until I found it under the bed. (I don't answer questions about what it was doing there)

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    1. Re:Linux Monitoring by everphilski · · Score: 4, Funny

      kinky.

  6. I have a question for the question... by lena_10326 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are companies out there which, for a fee, install tracker software on your laptop. If it's stolen or lost, they track its whereabouts whenever it gets on the 'Net and work with local law enforcement and ISPs to find the machine.
    I've been the victim of a stolen vehicle before... and I know police really don't give a diddly squat about stolen vehicles. Sure, paperwork will be filed but that's all they do. When a stolen vehicle is recovered it's almost always recovered due to happenstance. So, my question is.. what makes anyone think police care about your $1000 laptop when they barely care about your $20,000 vehicle as it is?

    Even with an IP address, postal address, and mapquest directions to the thief's house, I have a hard time believing an officer will put down his chocolate iced donut to go knock on doors over a laptop.
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    1. Re:I have a question for the question... by bigdavex · · Score: 5, Informative

      I've been the victim of a stolen vehicle before... and I know police really don't give a diddly squat about stolen vehicles. Sure, paperwork will be filed but that's all they do. When a stolen vehicle is recovered it's almost always recovered due to happenstance. So, my question is.. what makes anyone think police care about your $1000 laptop when they barely care about your $20,000 vehicle as it is?

      The impression we get from TV crime drama is out of touch with reality. For lack of resources or otherwise, even violent crimes don't get the attention CSI portrays. I was shot by a robber at a friend's house, and the detective declined to review the crime scene with me. When the police allowed my friend back into the house after they collected the evidence, he pointed out the shooter's hat was still on the table.

      There's nobody with tweezers going through the carpet looking for hairs. Nobody really gives a shit about a laptop or a car except the victim.
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    2. Re:I have a question for the question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      I was shot by a robber at a friend's house

      For the love of... I shoot you just once and you won't shut the hell up about it!

  7. Re:CompuTrace by packetmon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I suggest you read about Computrace and how they offered me money to hush and go away with their false claims. http://www.infiltrated.net/lojack.pdf

  8. Don't worry about Ubuntu by gosand · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you have Linux on your laptop, they won't be able to figure out how to get on the net anyway, especially via wireless. :)

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  9. Smuggling milkbones by benhocking · · Score: 4, Funny

    Remind me to try that (smuggling milkbones, that is) next time I fly somewhere. Boy, would that be a funny misunderstanding. Well, for some definitions of the word "funny".

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  10. Re:For Linux..... by Chineseyes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    4. Locate the IP address via DynDNS. Log into the stolen machine. 5. Stream the audio from mics (pipe it from raw device to mp3 and send compressed). Do the same with webcam if it works with Linux 6. Go then show up and stick that fucker up with a gun. See how he likes it. "I want my laptop back.."

    7. Get arrested for assault with a deadly weapon
    8. Go to jail

    I'm not sure where people on slashdot get some of these retarded ideas from but I know someone personally who was held at gunpoint for his belongings when we were in college. The thief used his cellphone that very night and with the help of the cell company he was able to get all of the numbers the person called. A reverse directory lookup later he had the address of one of the thieves friend/female family member.

    After waiting in his car for two days (no shower, no sleep) he finally saw the guy who robbed him walking to his girlfriends house and held him at gunpoint. The guy who had originally robbed him called the cops and told them HE was held at gunpoint and guess where this genius is at now? In a state prison doing his third year for assault with a deadly weapon. When he was sentenced the judge told him that he didn't see any difference between him and the guy who he was robbed by.

    Before you start posting on slashdot advocating vigilante justice I suggest you think about the consequences of being a vigilante. You aren't dog the bounty hunter and this isn't A&E.

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  11. The problem with your risk/return analysis by benhocking · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your car might drive you into the ground first. Please make sure, for your sake and others', that you're at least keeping your car safe.

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  12. The actual product tracking companies are selling by jmorris42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > I'm willing to bet a free program could be almost as useful, with maybe a bit more work if the thing is stolen.

    No it couldn't. The software is trivial. A program that sends a web request with the serial number embedded in the url a few seconds after a network interface comes up is all that is needed. But once you know your laptop is at IP x.x.x.x that doesn't do YOU a damned bit of good. No ISP is stupid enough to give you the IP+timestamp to physical connection point mapping for liability reasons. Think it through and imagine the Pandora's Box doing that would open. That is what you are actually buying from the tracking company, their preestablished relationships with law enforcement and the ISP community. Once known and trusted as a laptop tracking company they CAN get that info into the hands of law enforcement. Although I bet for legal reasons the tracking company itself NEVER sees the phone number/node/physical address.

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