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Canadian Copyright Official Dumped Over MPAA Conflict

An anonymous reader writes "The Canadian government's top copyright policy maker has been moved aside after revelations that she was in a personal relationship with Hollywood's top Canadian lobbyist. The development is raising questions about how the MPAA got an anti-camcording bill passed in only three weeks and what it means for the introduction of a Canadian DMCA."

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  1. the hilton effect by User+956 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The development is raising questions about how the MPAA got an anti-camcording bill passed in only three weeks and what it means for the introduction of a Canadian DMCA.

    Well, it's kind of obvious. She's only against the use of camcorders in movie theaters. if you know what I mean.

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    1. Re:the hilton effect by dunng808 · · Score: 3, Funny

      And earlier today we had Virgin Digital closing shop. Way too much sexual innuendo for this crowd! Somebody bring a bucket of cold water, and pour in a cupfull of saltpeter.

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      Gary Dunn
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    2. Re:the hilton effect by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm a Canadian, not a copyleft movement. She's a traitor. I want her hung.

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    3. Re:the hilton effect by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 4, Funny

      I want her hung.
      Not hung. Have her walk the plank. Arrrrr!!!!!
    4. Re:the hilton effect by alshithead · · Score: 4, Funny

      Okay, I posted just last night that I try to not put on my grammar Nazi hat as frequently as I used to...

      However...

      "I'm a Canadian, not a copyleft movement. She's a traitor. I want her hung."

      You want her hanged if you want her executed by hanging. You want her hung if you want her be a hermaphrodite. :)

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    5. Re:the hilton effect by FreezerJam · · Score: 3, Funny

      Is there such a thing out-out-Naziing?

      Sorry - but this is Canada, and the Canadian Oxford Dictionary doesn't support the use of "hung" as a past tense of "hang". Up here, she would be hanged, and that's her only choice.

      (Of course, since we have abolished the death penalty, this is all moot.)

    6. Re:the hilton effect by superbus1929 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hanged over a copyright law? That's a bit extreme.

      She's a dirty politician, and should never be employed again as anything more involved than burger flipper, but let's cut the hyperbole.

      And yes, I'm Canadian.

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    7. Re:the hilton effect by dwarfking · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ok, being pedantic here but, not hung, you should use hanged. English grammar generally uses hung for things like paintings, and hanged for people who die by hanging.

  2. Will he dump her now? by garcia · · Score: 4, Funny

    According to multiple sources, the personal reason involves a personal relationship with one of Canada's leading copyright lobbyists.

    While Neri's personal life is no one's business but her own, this does raise troubling questions about the quick passage of Bill C-59, the anti-camcording legislation, since Neri appeared as a witness before a Senate hearing on the bill with the lobbyist in the room.


    I'd be interested in watching the speed at which she is "dumped" by the lobbyist now that she has no power to help advance his career.

    1. Re:Will he dump her now? by MicktheMech · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well yeah, but the point is that she's now a sleazy, corrupt EX-politician, so the situation has changed for the lobbyist.

      Sleazy or not, she's wasn't a politician. She was a Director-General, part of the civil service; a bureaucrat. She's not even an appointee, order in council doesn't kick in until ADM.
    2. Re:Will he dump her now? by Brickwall · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Please, come on. This legislation was supported by all parties, which in the current Canadian political climate is virtually impossible. The reason it passed so quickly is it's simply correct. There is no inherent right to enter to a place of public performance and make an unauthorized recording, and *IT SAYS SO ON THE BACK OF YOUR TICKET*. So, by making such a recording, you are already breaching the contract you agreed to when you bought your ticket. This bill simply added some penalties if you succeeded in making such a recording, and started selling or distributing copies.

      Don't get me wrong - I'm against DRM, the DMCA, etc. If I buy a CD (or vinyl or cassette), I figure I've paid the record company and the artist, and if I want to copy the music or video to an iPod or my hard drive, or so I can have a copy in my car without having to drag my entire CD collection every time I saddle up, that's my right. I paid to have a permanent copy of the work.

      But live performance is something different - I haven't contracted to have anything beyond that performance, and I don't feel I've paid for the right to make a copy. I doubt you'll see any kind of DMCA act pass nearly as quickly; in fact, I doubt it will pass it all, and that's regardless of who's shacked up with who.

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    3. Re:Will he dump her now? by badfish99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Neither is there an inherant right for business models to be propped up by government legislation, especially when there is already the remedy of breach of civil contract.

    4. Re:Will he dump her now? by cliffski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      oh god, its the old "business model propped up by government" complaint again.

      lets say you run a shop that sells food. all the food is on shelves, ready for people to pick it up and take home. the windows are made of glass. If people don't want to pay, they can ram-raid the shop at midnight, load up all the food, and drive off. Why don't we all do this?
      Because its against the law. The police will investigate, they may well catch us, they will prosecute us, they will press for us to get a custodial sentence, and we will end up in prison. if we resist arrest they will use force, ultimately, if we are armed, they may use deadly force to push the issue.
      Surely that is a business model ultimately propped up by government?

      You live in western society. Modern capitalist societies have rules, rules that we all agree to abide by in the common interest. One of those rules is not to take stuff from other people without compensating them. This is true of food, lodgings, cars, clothes, music, movies, software, live performances by entertainers... anything that someone is doing for a living and requesting payment for.
      The distinction between the government protecting retail, and it protecting movies exists only in the minds of those who want to take the movies for free, yet still be protected from the anarchy that ensues if the government stops protecting bricks an mortar businesses.

      BTW any lame attempt by anyone to argue that its ok to make digital copies because the original remains does not understand the concepts of market size and fixed costs. If your actions (taking something rather than buying it) cannot be scaled up to the whole market without putting the producer out of business, then you are just leeching of the law-abiding.

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    5. Re:Will he dump her now? by WNight · · Score: 2, Informative

      The contract argument is wrong. Nothing printed on the back of a ticket or anything is a contract. It couldn't be, you got it when you bought the ticket, how could you have agreed to it before then?

      There is a contract of sale, but the ticket and what's printed on it, isn't it. That'd be like a EULA - hidden conditions, crouching liability.

    6. Re:Will he dump her now? by cliffski · · Score: 2

      wow, if boingboing says it it must be true, they are about as rapidly anti-copyright as slashdot.
      As a content creator, I can assure you that it is massively clear, but you keep clinging to some belief that copyright theft is somehow a good thing for the person you took the product from if it helps you sleep at nights.

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    7. Re:Will he dump her now? by badfish99 · · Score: 2

      Yes, modern societies have rules. Most of these rules have been in place for hundreds of years. Then, suddenly, a new rule appears, and in the space of just three weeks it is enshrined in law, with prison sentence for anyone who breaks it. Shouldn't we question whether this new rule is a good one or a bad one? Especially when the people affected by the behaviour being outlawed already have a range of legal remedies available to them, and the motivation for the politicians passing the law appears to have been cash bribes?

    8. Re:Will he dump her now? by k8to · · Score: 4, Informative

      If a site is anti-copyright it must be wrong?

      Sorry it still isn't theft, no matter how many times you say it so. The term in both vernacular and legalese is incorrect.

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    9. Re:Will he dump her now? by somersault · · Score: 2, Funny

      I invented ice though. I took out a patent on it - "Organising water molecules into a solid crystelline structure by means of a phase shift generally occurring at zero degrees celcius". Speak to Chantelle in the patent office if you have any bones with that. Chantelle had a bone or 2 over it, believe me >_>

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      which is totally what she said
    10. Re:Will he dump her now? by k8to · · Score: 2, Insightful

      a website like this one that mods someone as flamebait for daring to suggest that an argument about business models does not hold up under scrutiny is clearly one-sided and wrong, yes. Well, you've backpedaled some, but you need to do some more.

      Your statement that it's one-sided, while stretching the truth, is more or less accurate. That it is necessarily wrong doesn't follow. That was your error.

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    11. Re:Will he dump her now? by Elemenope · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The idea that you cannot take photos, cam, or audio recordings of an event for which you are present (and so presumably recording into your memory with your own eyes and ears) is quite new, and quite bizarre. I'm not saying its wrong, necessarily, just not as obviously right as you are making it out to be.

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    12. Re:Will he dump her now? by kent_eh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is no inherent right to enter to a place of public performance and make an unauthorized recording, and *IT SAYS SO ON THE BACK OF YOUR TICKET*. So, by making such a recording, you are already breaching the contract you agreed to when you bought your ticket.

      Right.

      So if it's already against the law, why the hell do we need another law that does the same damn thing.

      Let's stop making new laws until we can adequately enforce the ones we already have. There are existing laws already in place that would solve whatever problem the new laws seek to deal with if they were enforced.

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    13. Re:Will he dump her now? by djasbestos · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As a content creator, I can assure you that it is massively clear, but you keep clinging to some belief that copyright theft is somehow a good thing for the person you took the product from if it helps you sleep at nights.
      As a "content creator", I can assure you that you are wrong. There are very few "commissioned" artists these days, and for everyone to expect they can become one is ludicrous. However, if you simply produce "content" for the love of music or art or what-have-ye, then profit is secondary to greatness, both of reknown and of your own ability to forge your mental conceptions into concrete representation. As long as you are credited as the creator of whatever content you make, I don't see the problem...it's free advertising, and notoriety is worth far more than a flat buck. And if your content REALLY is THAT good, people will offer you money for more of it, even if they can get it for free (even legitimately). People ask if I've got CD's all the time, and I say all my music is free for download, and they still want to buy a CD. You can't buy that sort of thing.

      Of course, there will always be those out there (primarily pop musicians) who will create crap for the purposes of making money. Hence filler tracks. Hence "contract fulfillment" via quantity over quality. Which dilutes art. Yay capitalism!

      But definitely, if someone takes credit for your creations, it's time to lay the smack down. Per Barnum: "I don't care what you say about me as long as you spell my name right."
  3. Not what I was expecting.... by downix · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was expecting some kind of payola, maybe free vacations, a car, ya know, the usual. But when the Canadian Lobbyist told his bosses he'd really give it his all...

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  4. Another nail in the coffin? by Rodyland · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Surely, eventually, people will have to realise what the **AA are up to and call shenanigans on the whole show. And towards that end a story like this is nothing but good news.

    1. Re:Another nail in the coffin? by driftingwalrus · · Score: 2, Funny

      I find your faith in humanity touching.

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      "I drank WHAT?!" -- Socrates
  5. No Surprise by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Funny

    Given that the lobbyists are always in bed with the lawmakers ;)

  6. Again? by MunchMunch · · Score: 2, Informative
    I swear, I must be getting old, because didn't this just happen?

    Well, I'm still jealous. At least Canada apparently cleans house every so often...

  7. Duties to be Determined by loid_void · · Score: 4, Funny
    From the article, "has been removed from her position to become a special advisor to Assistant Deputy Minister Jean-Pierre Blais with "duties still to be determined."


    I see a follow-up article here.

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    1. Re:Duties to be Determined by TriezGamer · · Score: 2, Funny

      And half of slashdot will label it as a dupe ... nothing new here.

  8. Nice one by obeythefist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Would be nice to see if it changes anything, I've always liked Canada's stance. Australia seems much too happy just following along with the USA.

    It doesn't actually change anything in any of the three countries. People all do the same stuff. It's just the Canadians aren't made criminals by doing the same activities as everyone else in the world.

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    1. Re:Nice one by dbIII · · Score: 2, Informative

      Australia seems much too happy just following along with the USA.

      The copyright law changes were part of a free trade deal so we could sell beef, sugar and steel to the US market without restriction. The sick joke was we got a promise that a beef deal will be looked at in more than ten years time and we can forget about sugar and steel.

    2. Re:Nice one by dbIII · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sugar? We grow sugar here? Huh?

      One of the largest exports. On another thread I was bitching about the quality of US education and it looks like my own country has a few problems too :(

  9. and No Effect by Nymz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While Patricia Neri has been removed for this ethical violation, I doubt this indiscretion will have any effect on future legislation. Policy makers will still make their decisions based upon lobbying deals and merit. As for the MPAA, it's not like their reputation could get any worse.

  10. It's time for another Boston Tea Party... by headkase · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The issues are the same - an unfair balance between parties. Once we (here in Canada) get up to ridiculous levels of copyright terms as you already are in the US then it's either reform time or - forbid - killing time. Culture is being locked up, fourteen years is enough for copyright. If it was still set at this reasonable time imagine what you could be downloading right now legally: all music, books, and movies from 1993 and before. This is fair not a defacto perpetual license to rip people off.

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  11. corporate whore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Either way she's still a corporate whore.

  12. Re:What it means... by SpottedKuh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Thankfully, a small segment of the American populace endeavor to maintain our 2nd Ammendment rights in order to ensure the rest of our rights.

    How's that working out for you? I mean no disrespect, but as a Canadian looking south, from my point of view it doesn't look like your 2nd Ammendment is doing anything to curb your government screwing with its citizens (Patriot Act, anyone?). In fact, it seems like the only result of the 2nd Ammendment is a lot of gun deaths. I'd like to hear your point of view on this.

  13. I didn't even realize that law had passed by freeweed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Funny, I figured that legislation had no hope in hell of going anywhere.

    So there I, after paying my $15 to watch a movie this weekend, and this commercial comes on. Guy in a prison cell. Looks hardcore, like a gang thug or something. The tag line is to the effect of "cameras can watch this dude all day long now... because he DARED bring a camera into a movie theatre".

    I just about bust a gut laughing, then realized it was serious: there's a "Operating a recording device in a movie theatre is now illegal in Canada" message at the end.

    How fucking pathetic.

    Fuck them. I'm officially downloading from here on in. HEY SHITHEADS: I JUST PAID TO SEE YOUR FUCKING MOVIE. PLEASE STOP THREATENING ME WITH A FUCKING PRISON TERM.

    Yes, I'm that angry. Even having a minority government didn't stop this horseshit from passing.

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    1. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by fyoder · · Score: 3, Funny
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    2. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, remember that when you vote next time (which probably won't be long from now, seeing as it's a minority government and all). Contrary to what our American friends think, it's MUCH easier to vote out a government that's doing things you don't like than it is to conduct an armed revolution.

    3. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by alexo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, remember that when you vote next time (which probably won't be long from now, seeing as it's a minority government and all).
      And while you're voting, help change our system a little bit for the better.
    4. Re:I didn't even realize that law had passed by Catnapster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...it's MUCH easier to switch a government that's doing things you don't like for a different government that will continue to do things you don't like than it is to conduct an armed revolution.
      Fixed.

      Not that I'm a rabid gun nut stroking my metaphorical Kalashnikov at the thought of revolt, mind you. It's just that the American political system was not designed for the one-party system we basically have now, where the Democrats and Republicans argue about largely inconsequential bullshit to occupy the minds of the voting populace while silently coming to perverse agreements like the DMCA. Our government is out of control, and we have little to no guarantee that it would even recognize the results of an election if it would bring outsiders to a position of sufficient power.

      Makes us a little jaded toward "well why don't you just vote them out?"
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  14. No, what it really means is that... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... while it's clear a conflict of interest has occurred here, at least the government has been forced to remove Ms. Neri as the heritage minister, since it's an apparent violation of ethics laws. Contrast this to, say, the US, where such things are the norm, and are practically expected from elected officials.

    IOW, while something clearly egregious has occurred here, I would argue that the removal of the heritage minister is a clear victory for the people. In addition, this may result in greater scrutiny of the current government, and may serve as an interesting piece of ammunition against a government that was, in theory, supposed to be the ethical alternative to the corrupt Liberals.

    1. Re:No, what it really means is that... by The+Lord+of+Chaos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't worry the Conservatives will try to spin this as the Liberals fault, just like all their other problems and try to maintain their image as an ethical government.

      I can hear it now: "Patricia Neri was in office while the Liberals were in charge and they had 13 years to do something about it..." yada yada yada

    2. Re:No, what it really means is that... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can hear it now: "Patricia Neri was in office while the Liberals were in charge and they had 13 years to do something about it..." yada yada yada

      Wait, is this actually the case? I've been trying to dig around for Ms. Neri's party affiliation, and I can't find anything in particular, though it appears she donated to the Liberal Party in '99, implying she is, in fact, a Liberal. I had just assumed that, given she was in a fairly prominent post in a major ministry, she was a member of the Conservative Party, but if that's not the case, I take back my comments re. the Conservatives. The Conservative Party has a ton of problems, including a PM that apparently doesn't believe in free speech for the party members, but I don't want to lay this one at their feet if Ms. Neri is, in fact, a Liberal Party member.

  15. Tags by zygotic+mitosis · · Score: 3, Funny

    Canadia? Shouldn't it be Canadiaa? :)

  16. Doesn't even respond to direct questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I wrote to the then Minister and complained about the fact that Bill C-59 had been pushed through due to lobbying and against the wishes of Ministry Staff, and the opening line stated "I'm concerned that my government would succumb to the pressures of foreign lobby groups and you've now proven that I was worried with cause.".

    I received a response from Bev Oda, then the Minister of Heritage, that in no way addressed the issue of lobbying that I raised. At no point did she mention my concerns about lobbyists, and clearly attempted to deflect the issue. I think I was mislead and I'm pissed!!

    I know .. why should I expect to get an honest answer from a Conservative government? Because they promised ethics and transparency in government after the Sponsorship Scandal! Liars!

    1. Re:Doesn't even respond to direct questions by Emetophobe · · Score: 3, Informative
      I was actually going to raise the issue with Bev Oda in a seperate thread. She's been taking bribes from the broadcasting industry since 2004, maybe earlier... It's amazing how long she has remained in office even though she is clearly receiving contributions from broadcasting corporations.

      From Bev Oda's wikipedia entry:

      2006 fundraising controversy

      In November 2006, Oda planned on holding a fundraising dinner for broadcasting executives, just weeks before a major review of broadcasting rules. The event was cancelled, but a number of donations were still made.

      If you go to the Elections Canada website, you can see all of the corporations and individuals who donated to Bev Oda's Durham riding in 2006 (Unfortunately there's no direct link so you have to use their search feature). Select "Ontario" under Provice/Territory. Then select "Conservative Party of Canada" under Political Party. Now under Electoral District select "Durham". Leave the years 2006 to 2006. Hit the search button and then select Durham "Conservative Association / 2006". With that entry selected, hit the Add button. Finally, hit the lower right search button (not the top one).... (It's a horrible interface to access this public information...)

      Now you should see the following three options:

      By return summary Allows you to search summary information on contributions made to registered associations
      By return details The easiest way to view the complete details of contributions and expenses for registered associations
      By contributor Allows you to search for contributions made to registered associations

      Click on "By return details".

      Here's the list of corporate contributions (from Part 2b - Statement of Contributions Received - Details of Contributions from Corporations)

      1 EMI Music Canada Jan. 3, 2006 500.00
      2 EMI Music Canada Jan. 10, 2006 1,000.00
      3 Gorritane Bros. Ltd. Feb. 24, 2006 300.00
      4 Radio Marketing Bureau Oct. 12, 2006 250.00
      5 Alliance Atlantis Oct. 25, 2006 500.00
      6 Insight Productions Co. Ltd. Nov. 2, 2006 500.00

      5 of those 6 corporate donations are from media corporations. It might even be 6 out of 6 but I couldn't find any details on "Gorritane Bros. Ltd.".

      Also, much more disturbing is the list of individual contributions (Part 2a - Statement of Contributions Received - Details of Contributions from Individuals). The following are just the individuals who I could identify as working for some media corporation or group:

      23 Gail Asper Oct. 31, 2006 250.00
      5 Leonard Asper Jan. 26, 2006 2,500.00
      Leonard Asper is the President and CEO of CanWest, a major Canadian media company (they own Global TV). It appears he also got his wife to donate to Bev's riding.

      13 Andre Bureau Oct. 16, 2006 500.00
      Andrea Bureau is the former chairman of the CTRC and is now the President and CEO of Astral Communications Inc (now known as Astral Media). Astral owns several Canadian radio and television stations.

      14 Lisa De Wilde Oct. 16, 2006 250.00
      Lisa De Wilde was a former president and CEO of Astral Communications (now known as Astral Media). She is now the CEO of TVOntario. Interesting how she and Andre Bureau both made donations on the same day. Lisa was the former President and CEO of Astral while Andre is the current president and CEO, and they both managed to make donations to Bev Oda on the same day?

      16 Robin Jackson Oct. 20, 2006 250.00
      Robin Jackson is the Executive Director of the CIFVF (The Canadian Independent Film and Video Fund). Here's a quote 'The Canadian Independent Film & Video Fund (CIFVF) is a dynamic private sector funding body which supports non-theatrical film, v

    2. Re:Doesn't even respond to direct questions by badfish99 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are those figures right? Does it only cost $250 or $500 per donation to bribe a Canadian politician? Wow, I could afford to buy a couple of laws in Canada at that rate! I should have thought it would cost a luxury yacht, or some bars of gold in a Swiss bank account, at least. The Canadians should look at a properly-run country like Zimbabwe or Saudi Arabia to see how things should be done.

    3. Re:Doesn't even respond to direct questions by Asic+Eng · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is there any legitimate reason to let companies make political donations? Companies do not represent their shareholders politically - if those shareholders want to contribute they can make this individually.

    4. Re:Doesn't even respond to direct questions by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 3, Informative

      One thing the last government got right was campaign contributions. No corporation can donate more than $500 to an individual campaign, no person can donate more than $2500. Period. There are severe consequences otherwise.

      In exchange, Parties are paid $1.50 per vote they receive, per year. It at least resembles a system intent on reducing corporate influence. What it ends up doing is giving corporate CEO positions to former members of Parlament, like the former Canadian Ambassador to the US and Premier of Ontairo, being on the board of the Carslyle Group.

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  17. Re:What it means... by SpottedKuh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    [Re: Whether 2nd Ammendment rights protect citizens' other rights in the U.S.]: Actually, it works well. We still have them. So we have one final defense.

    I gave a lot of thought to your answer. In the end, what puzzled me was how you treat the right to own guns as an end in itself, rather than as a means to an end. What I mean is this: your reply seems to indicate that even if you lose all of your other rights, except the right to own guns, that this is somehow still a small victory for you. But, it seems to me that the original intention of your 2nd Ammendment was to be proactive -- namely, that the right to own guns should prevent your government from ever taking away your rights (fearing rebellion from an armed militia). At least in my opinion, as a non-American observing your politics from afar, this has failed (beating the Patriot Act example to death, here). What victory is there for your rights if you have a complacent (but armed!) population?

    You just don't hear about how many crimes are actually prevented by guns.

    Indeed, this is a very good point. It is much easier to produce statistics on how many gun deaths occured, rather than on how many crimes were prevented by guns. This argument seems to be a cornerstone of people who support arming the population.

    Unfortunately, your statement was more accurate than you intended, perhaps. I don't hear about how many crimes are prevented by guns. In order for me to consider your argument that guns prevent crime as a valid argument, I would need at least some indication that the number of crimes preveted is large.

    The only "indication" that I've ever seen produced is a thought game, which I've only ever heard as some variant of: "Would you rob that liquor store, if you knew the clerk was packing?" Yet, were that rationale valid, there would be far fewer liquor store robberies per capita in parts of the world where people are armed to the teeth (all other factors being equal, to rule out secondary causes of crime such as poverty, etc.). If I could see that evidence, or if anyone could point me in the right direction to it, then I would be able to assign a lot more weight to your argument.

  18. Re:What it means... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is Canadians should re-establish their rights. First, their right to Smith & Wesson, Ruger, and Glock. Then tell their public officials that not only do they want the camcorder bill rescinded, and the Canadian DMCA dropped. But also a law passed rescinding ALL of the MPAA's copyrights for copyright abuse.
    We do not need guns, because we make sure to elect governments that won't abuse us, and that keeps the crime rate very low, too. This is why we have free universal health-insurance.

    We do not have a DMCA either, so we can download music, backup our DVDs, talk about DeCSS and watch DVDs from India, Luxembourg or China.

  19. Re:What it means... by alshithead · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "How's that working out for you? I mean no disrespect, but as a Canadian looking south, from my point of view it doesn't look like your 2nd Ammendment is doing anything to curb your government screwing with its citizens (Patriot Act, anyone?)."

    Theoretically, it's supposed to provide that when the majority of the population realizes that their democratic republic has become a tyranny, enough citizens will still be armed to foment revolution. Now, having said that I have to also state that I don't believe that the USA has reached that point. Ask me how it seems to working again if the next election is delayed or canceled for some reason.

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  20. Re:What it means... by ageoffri · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually many of us who are strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment despise the Patriot Act. Acknowledging that the 2nd Amendment is important does not mean that we want to give up other rights. The Patriot Act overstepped the bounds of the Federal government just like the Gun Control Act of 1986.

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  21. MAD - Mutual Assured DMCA by Nymz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, in Canada it is illegal for a federal politician to accept corporate or union donations.
    Hmm, are you confusing 'lobbying deals' to mean 'buying off'? An example of a deal, that the MPAA might lobby for, would be an cross-country agreement declaring mutual respect for the others copyrights. By respect, that means pursing prosecution of pirates and infringers.
  22. Re:Yep by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And from the article:

    "In total, 3,995 people were shot, of whom about half (2,187) had minor wounds caused by air guns."

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  23. Re:Did I miss something? by dargon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yep, a tax that some want to also place onto MP3 players with storage > 30GB. Of course, the CRIA just woke up and realized that this little tax effectively legalizes all music downloads in Canada, so now they're fighting it :)

  24. Level of sacrifice? by dgr73 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Before we actually crucify the MPAA, let's look at the big picture. Does anyone have it? I mean a picture of this Neri woman, because if she's hot it's just a simple case of bribery by "hide the salami", or as the MPAA says "An innocent relationship, which in no way affected Ms. Neri's opinion".

    But what if she's a complete dog? I think then you could actually start charging people with bribery and MPAA with pimping. Come to think of it, MPAAs methods aren't too far from those of a street pimp, though MPAA actually prefers the term "Carborne entrepeneur":

    *SMACK* *SLAP* "I don't give a s**t if you already bought da movie, gimme da money, b**ch!" *SLAP* *SMACK* *THUD*

  25. sooo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    The Canadian government's top copyright policy maker has been moved aside after revelations that she was in a personal relationship with Hollywood's top Canadian lobbyist.


    In Canada, 'fuck the RIAA' has different meaning?

  26. Re:What it means... by vertinox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, it works well. We still have them. So we have one final defense.

    How well do legal fire arms work well against APCs, Abrams, and Blackhawks?

    You need fully automatic weapons, RPGs, and shaped charged explosive to defeat such vehicles (which Iraqi insurgents have) which are of course illegal to own in the United States.

    I might be able to get lucky and shoot someone through the eye slits of their body armor, but the only use for the legal gun is to turn it on yourself when there is nothing else to live for.

    In reality, I think the 2nd Amendment gave the States to have their own militias separate from Federal control. Of course now that is generally overlooked and all National Guard armies are under command of the President (which is horribly wrong in a peace time enviroment and Jefferson is powering a small generator in his grave right now through spinning)

    If every state had its own militia fully armed it could defend itself from a national army, but sadly that is not the case.

    As it stands now... The 2nd amendment is about as useful as the 1st in terms of getting respect from the government.

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