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GIMP 2 for Photographers

Jon Allen writes "A glance through any photography magazine will confirm that Adobe Photoshop is the accepted standard image editing software, offering almost unparalleled power and control over your images. However, costing more than many DSLR cameras, for non-professionals it can be a very hard purchase to justify (and of course for Linux users this is a moot point, as Photoshop is not available for their platform). Luckily, the free software community has provided us with an alternative. The GIMP, or Gnu Image Manipulation Program, offers a huge amount of the power of Photoshop but is available at no cost. Additionally GIMP is cross-platform, available for Windows, Mac, Linux, and Unix." Read below for the rest of Jon's review. GIMP 2 for Photographers author Klaus Goelker pages 185 publisher Rocky Nook / O'Reilly rating 9/10 reviewer Jon Allen ISBN 978-1-933952-03-1 summary A great book for anyone with more than a passing interest in improving their photos The one downside to using GIMP is that most magazines and photography books use Photoshop in their articles and tutorials, so if you do choose GIMP there's a bit more of a learning curve. Now once you're used to GIMP you'll find that many of Photoshop's features have equivalents, albeit with a different user interface, but getting that initial level of experience and familiarity with the software can be rather difficult. The GIMP does come with a manual, but it is really more of a reference guide and while very comprehensive it is not particularly friendly for new users. GIMP 2 for Photographers aims to rectify this.

Written clearly from a photographer's point of view (the author is a photographer who also teaches image editing), this book takes a task-oriented approach, looking at the types of editing operations that a photographer would require and then showing how to perform each task in the GIMP.

Rather helpfully, the GIMP software (for Windows, Mac, and Linux) is included on the book's accompanying CD. This means that you can follow each tutorial using the exact same version of software as the author, which really helps to build confidence that you're doing everything right.

I already have GIMP installed on OS X, so to test out the instructions in the book I performed an installation from the CD on a clean Microsoft Windows XP machine.

The exact filenames of the installation packages on the CD differ slightly from those in the accompanying README file, but the instructions in the book do list the correct files and after following this procedure the installation went without a hitch. The setup files do not ask any overly 'techie' questions, so it literally took less than 5 minutes to set up a fully working system.

As well as the GIMP application, the CD also includes all of the sample images used in the book, and for each editing tutorial the "final" image is provided so you can check your own work against the expected result.

Even more usefully, the CD contains an electronic copy of the complete book as a PDF file, so you can keep it on your laptop as a reference guide, invaluable when editing images on location (or on holiday).

I'd have to say that this is without a doubt the most useful CD I've ever received with a book. Providing the applications and example files is good, giving readers instant gratification without needing to deal with downloads and websites (which may well have changed after the book went to press). But including the complete book on the CD as well is nothing short of a masterstroke, and something I'd love to see other publishers adopt.

As for the book itself, the author takes us through basic GIMP operations — opening and saving files, cropping, resizing images, and printing. Once these basics are out of the way, the book moves on to a series of examples based on "real-life" image editing scenarios.

These examples are very well chosen, both in the fact that the vast majority of the techniques shown are genuinely useful, but also in the way that they are ordered. Each example introduces a new feature of the software, building up your knowledge as you work through the book. By the end you can expect to be skilled not only in "standard" editing — adjusting color balance, fixing red-eye, removing dust spots, and so on — but also in compositing, perspective correction, lighting and shadow effects, and building panoramic images.

Between the examples there is a good amount of more "reference" type material, with detailed descriptions of the various menus, tool bars, and dialogs you will encounter while using the software. Combined with lots of well-labelled screenshots this strikes a very good balance, ensuring that even after going through all the tutorials you'll still get value from the book as something to refer back to.

Overall the quality of the writing and general production standard is very high indeed. There are some points where it is noticeable that the book was originally published in German, but this never becomes a stumbling block to the reader's understanding. Most importantly though, the author employs the "show, don't tell" philosophy throughout which is key to successful teaching.

In conclusion, I would have no hesitation in recommending GIMP 2 for Photographers to anyone with more than a passing interest in improving their photos. And even if you already use image editing software, the book is well worth a read — I have been using GIMP for several years and still learned a great deal. The accompanying CD is the icing on the cake, making GIMP 2 for Photographers a simply essential purchase.

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  1. New version of GIMP? by gravis777 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was quite confused by this article at first. Does this mean there is a new verison of Gimp out for Photographers? What's wrong with the current version of Gimp? Surely this is not an article refering to the release of Gimp2, that was released a while back.

    After reading and rereading the article, I think I have come to the conclusion that this is a review of a book, and the review was aimed at the non-slashdot community.

    1. Re:New version of GIMP? by rucs_hack · · Score: 3, Insightful

      some people are really trying to pimp up the gimp recently.

      Thing is, it isn't, and never has been as good as photoshop, so the professional world aren't going to accept it while photoshop is better.

      And its not just because photoshop is proprietary, its just better suited to what the professional photographer and artist need to make a living. Gimp needs several more years with a much *much* larger workforce and some serious intent to make it so good that people won't even think of using anything else, and I don't see that happening just yet.

    2. Re:New version of GIMP? by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But for amateur photographers who don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on Photoshop, or even a hundred dollars on Photoshop Elements, gimp is a very good alternative. Just an anecdote, I downloaded the free trial for my wife, she tried it out for a bit, and decided that she liked GIMP better than Photoshop. The reason that she tried Photoshop was that one of her graphic designer friends recommended it to her. But having no formal training, she actually found it easier to use GIMP. People who have been using Photoshop for a long time either through actually buying it, or downloading a pirated copy will probably find it easier to stick with Photoshop than to learn to use GIMP. However, amateurs starting out who don't want to spend any money, will probably do just fine with GIMP.

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    3. Re:New version of GIMP? by Asmodai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The user interface is just horrendous. Every time I keep trying to use it and it just shows that despite all the best of intentions the coders on the project just have no clue whatsoever what constitutes a useful user interface.

      Of course, that is my opinion. Your own may differ...

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    4. Re:New version of GIMP? by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know that feeling, I hate that it uses several windows that don't keep a useful z order so when I switch to another application and back I have to pull all the windows back up and the image has a tendency to obscure the tool windows. There's more friction I get but I think that's mostly because I'm more used to Photoshop. For some reason it doesn't seem like I can draw on the alpha channel or it couldn't export to TGA or something, I know I had some trouble with handling alpha for my textures though.

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    5. Re:New version of GIMP? by s4m7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      it took one google search to find a CMYK output plugin for the gimp. Now granted, it's not the most mature or convenient solution, but again, your point that the price of photoshop is too blinking high for even semi-pro's let alone amateurs. If you're not doing press-grade production materials, why would you even bother with photoshop?

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    6. Re:New version of GIMP? by justin12345 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Interface and everything aside, the big stumbling block with the Gimp was its lack of support for more then 8 bits per channel. I would love to be able to use the GIMP, I can't afford to keep up with Photoshop, but without support for more then 8 bits per channel you wind up with some pretty nasty artifacts if you do any major editing.

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    7. Re:New version of GIMP? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Informative

      "...which costs an arm, leg, and both testicles..."make money. (I'm not implying that you couldn't with the GIMP, but arguably, you could go farther down that route with PS.) If anybody's curious, the educational version is $300. That's hardly the cost of an arm, leg, and both testicles, especially for a group of people already invested in hardware.

      "...and doesn't run on anything but the crappiest of platforms."

      Right, because ameteur photographers are all running Linux. Photoshop runs on Windows and Mac, plus it's possible to get it running in WINE. This is such a non-point it's not even funny.

      The GIMP is fine for amateurs. Fine, we get that. It's still not Photoshop. If those amateurs want to one day be professionals, that's going to become an important point.

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    8. Re:New version of GIMP? by Mr_Tricorder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Application frontends should be tailored to work well with the window manager, not the other way around. Someone shouldn't have to play around with different window managers just so they can find one that works well with the GIMP.

      The GIMP is definitely the most powerful image manipulation application in the free-to-$100 range, but it simply isn't as good as Photoshop, especially in the area of intuitive usibility. I pretty much self-taught myself Photoshop, but I've never been able to get the hang of the GIMP. It's difficulty curve isn't quite as bad as running into a brick wall (like when I was trying to learn blender), but it's pretty close if you're trying to do anything beyond the most basic functions.

    9. Re:New version of GIMP? by Darth+Hubris · · Score: 2, Informative

      You want Gimpshop:
      http://gimpshopdotnet.blogspot.com/

      It's the Gimp with the menu layout of Photoshop. It also has the user interface in one window. That's the unique but strange way that standard Gimp works, floating toolbars as separate programs. Give Gimpshop a try.

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    10. Re:New version of GIMP? by brassman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The user interface is just horrendous. Every time I keep trying to use it and it just shows that despite all the best of intentions the coders on the project just have no clue whatsoever what constitutes a useful user interface.

      Yes, that sums up my experience with Photoshop quite well....

      I rather liked Paint Shop Pro, and bought upgrades faithfully from version 1 right up through 7 or so. It was bliss. Left mouse button, right mouse button. Foreground, background. Simple, obvious, ergonomically sound.

      Then Corel got their hooks into it. PSP X is maddening.

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    11. Re:New version of GIMP? by blincoln · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The user interface is just horrendous. Every time I keep trying to use it and it just shows that despite all the best of intentions the coders on the project just have no clue whatsoever what constitutes a useful user interface.

      Agreed. I have trouble even pinning down one specific aspect of it that is the problem, because so much is wrong with it.
      The one that always sticks in my mind is how when I create text, rather than simply creating a new layer with the text in it, the GIMP also sets that new layer to be only just big enough to hold the text, so if I've made text in the center of a larger image, the text layer has a border of null space around it. So if I try to do something like manually create a drop shadow effect, most of it will be clipped at the edges.
      Now that I know that this is the case, I can resize the layer to be big enough (although I wish I could just enable a checkbox where this would be the default behavior, because I would have to do it *all* of the time assuming the GIMP were my main image editor). But before then? It took me hours to figure out that that's what was happening, because I had no idea someone would ever design an image editing app that way.
      Also, the file dialogues are horrendous (other than being able to pick the file type to save as by typing the appropriate extension, which is clever). Maybe they work better on Linux, but on Windows they are the clunkiest things ever. Would it really be that hard to at least allow the use of the OS's own file dialogues, if not make it the default behavior?
      Adobe has gotten a bit sloppy about the quality of the last few revisions of Photoshop (having to delete my preferences file to make Merge To HDR work? Am I suddenly on a Macintosh running OS 8.5 in 1999 again?), so an alternative that worked solidly would be awesome.

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    12. Re:New version of GIMP? by Nim82 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Speaking as an artist, you really only need a few select tools to do most jobs. I rarely (if ever) use 90% of Photoshop's so called features, or Bloat.

      For the majority of artists/users, with the possible exception of those who wish to print directly from the app, GIMP has more than enough power to deal with their demands. The problem with it's low adoption is threefold; learning curve, advertising and name. The learning curve is a big problem. The UI is even more awful than PS's (which is saying something) and this is compounded by the lack good training material or training courses available. Advertising speaks for itself, Adobe can afford it, gimp can't. The name is also a factor here. I recently got quizzed on software by an 'older' artist wishing to go from film to digital. I mentioned GIMP and got a dirty look, trying to make him see past the name was a big issue and in the end he went for Photoshop, 'cos of the brand name. I suspect this is an even bigger problem with the suits in the corporate environ.... this is a wider open-source issue too.

      Personally, I use Paint Shop Pro, it's dirt cheap and the designers actually bothered to make a UI that enables a degree of efficiency. It's quite surprising how many people use it (and others) in the industry, yet hide behind Photoshop when discussing editors, almost as if they are afraid to admit they aren't using the industry standard. Yet the work they produce is just as good and usually produced faster... Adobe has built a mythos that their overpriced product is the be-all and end-all for graphics work. It's bullshit. They have the monopoly, that is all. There are many, often cheaper or free, programs just as capable (and more-so in some areas of work). A lot of these programs also support PS plugins just fine.

    13. Re:New version of GIMP? by arth1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For simply cropping and adjusting images taken with a D-SLR, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom is leagues ahead of Gimp and Picasa. Or Photoshop, for that matter. Not only does it have RAW support, larger colour spaces than sRGB and ICC colour profiles, but it is intuitive to work with, and works non-destructively. You can always undo any and all changes, even months later.

      To use Gimp for something like this seems to me to be the ultimate in masochism.
      Even using Photoshop for most of the pictures seems to be way too much work. Only if you need very special alterations is a drawing program going to be the best tool (like blue eye removal from photographing animals, or actual retouching). Most of the time, you just want to crop and adjust, and perhaps remove a few specks or red-eyes.

      And I'm a Unix guy, who hates Windows. But Gimp just isn't the right tool for this.

    14. Re:New version of GIMP? by LunarCrisis · · Score: 2, Informative

      What I want is how the *Mac* version of Photoshop works, with floating toolbars, and documents don't need to exist atop a gray background window that cover up the desktop. But, perhaps this is impossible under Windows and maybe Linux as well, which are task-based (whereas the Mac interface is application-based). I don't know about GIMP 2.2, but I know in the release candidates for 2.4 you can set the toolbars and docks as utility windows in the preferences and they act like that. A big reason it's off by default is probably that some window managers supposedly have horrible behaviour with utility windows.
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    15. Re:New version of GIMP? by tomknight · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess this article being in the "Book Reviews" section wasn't a giveaway?

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  2. In a lot of ways, Gimp is more intuitive than PS by iamacat · · Score: 3, Informative

    You just have to look at it from programmer's point of view. For example, there is no separate commands to draw geometric shapes. Instead you define a selection and then stroke or fill it. The upshot is that it's much easier to, for example, draw an intersection of two shapes. Default settings in photoshop also leave much to be desired. For example, only several undo levels are enabled by default. In Gimp you can review a long undo history and snap your project back to any point.

    I am sure PS is a great tool for professional artists, but it's horrible for programmers who want to do a little icon drawing. On the other hand, price of Photoshop and lack of Pen tool in Photoshop Elements make it unsuitable for most hobbyists and shareware authors.

  3. Pulp Fiction by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny

    Spencer: Bring out the GIMP.
    Peter: The GIMP's not installed.
    Spencer: Well, I guess you'll have to compile it now, won't you?

  4. Picasa by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Picasa is good enough for my photo needs (i.e. straightening, lightening) and it is free too.

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    1. Re:Picasa by Entropius · · Score: 4, Informative

      Picasa is excellent, but:

      1) It only has one "sharpen" button with no parameters. For an operation that's as touchy as sharpening, you need more control.
      2) The highlights/shadows/fill light sliders aren't as flexible or as easy to use as the Gimp's curves tool for adjusting contrast.

      Add a proper unsharp mask tool and a tone curve, and Picasa would be able to do 90% of post-process jobs. Now it can only do 10%, simply because curves is so useful.

    2. Re:Picasa by CatPieMan · · Score: 2

      Picasa was OK the last time I tried it, but has some issues. Mostly, I felt like the software was in control and I was not.

      The GIMP gives you a ton of control, perhaps too much in some areas, and not enough in others. For example, I couldn't figure out how to turn an image to black and white in the GIMP, but I could separate the color chanels w/o trouble. This just seems wrong. For Photoshop, you can convert to b&w with an option that's on the menu, while in the GIMP, I had to really hunt for it.

      In Photoshop, I feel at least, they much better balance the level of control that the user has vs the control the software just takes, then builds many tools with different levels of control, depending on what the user feels comfortable with. But its expensive. I'd like to use PS, but don't want to spend the money which could go into a new scanner, or camera piece.

      Personally (I do photo editing on Windows b/c it has the tools I need), I use GIMP and Paint.NET. Both are good tools for the job, and Paint.NET is very simple to use - but not nearly as powerful as something like GIMP, Photoshop, etc. I personally find the crop tool and rotation tool in Paint.NET superior to GIMP, but that's just my personal feelings. Also, Paint.NET has some very good tutorials in their forum section. The only down-side to Paint.NET is that its based on the .NET framework, so versions for Mac/Linux are probably never going to happen.

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  5. [Ff]ree vs Piracy by OmegaBlac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    However, costing more than many DSLR cameras, for non-professionals it can be a very hard purchase to justify
    Which is probably why Adobe Photoshop is one of the most pirated pieces of commercial software. Cost certainly has not harmed Photoshops popularity and the fact that it is perceived to be a "standard" by many means that most people without the funds to purchase it would rather choose to pirate the software instead of relying on a [Ff]ree alternative such as the GIMP.
    1. Re:[Ff]ree vs Piracy by MightyYar · · Score: 2, Informative

      They laughed at me in CompUSA when I said that I couldn't afford Photoshop: "No one PAYS for Photoshop!"

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    2. Re:[Ff]ree vs Piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's when you're supposed to respond with an enthusiastic "Cool!!" then walk over to the software shelf, pick up a copy of PS, and then head on out the door without paying.

    3. Re:[Ff]ree vs Piracy by couchslug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No one who does not have to excepting the odd moralist loon.

      That's why Photoshop has such good market penetration. The perceived need for it drives BOTH purchase and piracy, which reinforce it as a standard. This model works very well and there is no reason to change it.

      Want to reinforce OSS alternatives to commercial soft? Join the fight against warez to keep the competition from getting the benefits of "pirates" chumming the market with their stuff!

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    4. Re:[Ff]ree vs Piracy by Eponymous+Bastard · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I had an interesting experience: I installed the Gimp for my sister, because I didn't want to pirate PS (half morality, half laziness). She started using it and learned it, even though it wasn't always intuitive. I had to show her a bunch of tricks myself, to help her along.

      The interesting part is that once she showed her friends her edited pictures and animations they also started using it. Many tried pirating PS, but ... It wasn't translated. It's actually hard to find a download for Photoshop in spanish. This isn't a problem for my sister since she reads english well enough, but a lot of her friends don't, or at least not as easily.

      Now all her friends and half her high-school is using the Gimp simply because the translation makes it easier to use, even if windows and office and everything else on their computers is pirated. My sister jokes she should get a prize from the Gimp team, since she spread it around.

      (Note that I do know from experience that PS has a lot of nice features, both at the low and high end, but the translation is worth the difference for a lot of people)

  6. No 16bit support by Eugenia+Loli · · Score: 5, Informative

    No 16bit support on Gimp, and so it's NOT a good solution for prosumer or pro photographers. And Cinepaint has forked a long time ago and so many other features are missing from it, so don't even mention it as an alternative. 16bit support on Gimp was first promised in 2002, but it's still not here...

    1. Re:No 16bit support by photomonkey · · Score: 2

      And in addition to that, anyone (professional or consumer) trying to print will find that color management in the Gimp blows nine kinds of donkey ass.

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    2. Re:No 16bit support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why don't you shut the fuck up and get back to work?

      I'm sick and fucking tired of you little bitches saying open source is sooo much better, but when someone points out that you're MISSING A CRITICAL FEATURE... y'all act like cunts and scream that "no one owes you anything".

      Seriously.

      Release a commercial level product or get the fuck out of the market.

      Go ahead. Mod me down. I don't give a shit. Most people agree with me.

  7. Adobe Lightroom by darthv506 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I would imagine that a large number of photographers have switched over to Adobe Lightroom. It's tailor made for photo work (workflow, organization and processing). It's a very nice piece of software and a lot cheaper than PS CS3!

    1. Re:Adobe Lightroom by photomonkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      IAAPP (I am a professional photographer)

      Lightroom and Aperture are both eye candy and nothing more. They do not replace the functionality of Pshop (including clone-stamping out dust and making color-channel level edits). Additionally, their support for IPTC/EXIF metadata is shaky at best. If you use a server or network storage device to store your image archive, it's kind of fun to watch Lightroom and Aperture shit the bed trying to figure out how to deal with it.

      It's almost like a lot of the developers have realized that everyone and his brother have bought digital cameras, and that they can probably sell yet another expensive 'make my photos stop sucking' software to people who already can't use what they have.

      I've used the Gimp on Windoze and Linux, and it's about where Pshop was at version 4 or 5. All software can be improved upon, and Pshop is no exception. But there is a reason that they have driven everyone else under (or nearly under). It's a damn fine couple of million lines of code.

      In my expert opinion, the best combination for browser/meta editor and editing app has to be Photo Mechanic and Photoshop.

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  8. If it's on the books.slashdot.org subdomain by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

    After reading and rereading the article, I think I have come to the conclusion that this is a review of a book I got that impression just by looking at the Slashdot main page, which stated:

    Book Reviews: GIMP 2 for Photographers
    Posted by samzenpus on 2007-10-03 15:22
    from the crop-better dept.
    You might have missed it when the link to "Book Reviews" was drawn in a color similar to the green background of headline bars.
  9. Re:In a lot of ways, Gimp is more intuitive than P by afd8856 · · Score: 3, Informative

    1. How do you change the shape of your selection outlines, or make small adjustments to it? In Photoshop, as they're defined by vector shapes, you can do this.
    2. Photoshop has the history palette (and even history branching, if I'm not mistaking, in the later versions)

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  10. Strawman by KenSeymour · · Score: 4, Informative

    Comparing GIMP to the full version of Photoshop is a straw man argument. Compare it instead to Photoshop Elements. Elements is about $100, not about $700.

    I have used both Elements and GIMP and find Elements much more intuitive. This is even though
    I used GIMP first. Elements also supports the RAW mode for my Nikon D70.

    I now only use GIMP when I don't have access to my home machine, where the one licensed copy I have is installed.

    Elements also allows you to organize your photos into categories without having to create a directory structure. It has built in partial and full backup functions.

    Of course, YMMV.

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  11. Re:In a lot of ways, Gimp is more intuitive than P by iamacat · · Score: 2

    1. You create a path, edit it until you are satisfied and then convert it into selection
    2. Nice to know, but when you just install the thing, Apple-Z stops working after just several undo steps. They could have easily used an adoptive algorithm that discards old undos when running low on memory or resorts to slower strategy of storing images every N steps and redoing operations in the middle.

  12. I wish Gimp were a photoshop clone by impactor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've been using photoshop for about 10 years now and have become very proficient. I recently made the switch to linux. The only real application i havn't found a replacement for is photoshop. I have tried using GIMP but their are just too many problems with it. While it is probably acceptable for those who have never used photo editing software before, anyone who has touched photoshop will feel severly handycapped. When i first heard about GIMP i was hoping it would simply be an attempt at cloning photoshops capabilities and interface. Perhaps someone has an answer to this question: why during the design stage did the developers not simply stick with the industry standard interms of interface/menus? Does anyone know where the developers are planning on taking GIMP in the future?

  13. Re:In a lot of ways, Gimp is more intuitive than P by Sciros · · Score: 2

    PS users frequently work with images that take up many megabytes, and if there weren't a default 20 or whatever undo steps then out of the box PS would be maxing out the amount of memory you let it work with nearly every time. Anyway this is all very easily configurable, and if you're actually serious about using a tool like PS, you're going to be doing some configuration and personalization to it anyhow.

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  14. Raw mode by GroundBounce · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually GIMP's support for raw files has improved dramatically in the last few years. Install the UFRaw plugin, which most Linux distros package up and which supports the D70 as well as many others.

  15. Re:In a lot of ways, Gimp is more intuitive than P by iamacat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would super-expensive software be so dumb that it can not detect that I am editing an 128x128 pixel icon and adjust undo steps automatically?

  16. Deep Color by Speare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not about the oft-slagged interface, it's about actual capability falling behind the curve.

    It's going to be a common rant in this thread, I am sure, but the fact is, GIMP is falling behind because it has not yet mainstreamed any support for "deep color." It is stuck in an 8-bits-per-channel world, which is fine for many forms of web graphics and proofing, but has some serious limitations in advanced photography. Many photographers are getting quite interested in HDR, RAW, and ICC. What few plugins exist for these in the GIMP world are incomplete and only allow you to import their results back into the limits of an 8-bits-per-channel world.

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    1. Re:Deep Color by swillden · · Score: 4, Informative

      GIMP is getting support for deep colors and multiple color spaces as part of the new graphics engine, GEGL. GEGL was supposed to be part of GIMP 2.4, but it wasn't quite ready so it's been pushed back to 2.6. I don't imagine we'll see GIMP with GEGL before 2009, but it is coming. The new engine will also make lots of things much easier to implement, and much faster and more RAM-efficient, in spite of the hugely-expanded dynamic range.

      Of course, you can't edit your photos with GIMP 2.6 right now, so if you need deep colors, at present you're pretty much stuck with Photoshop. You could also try Krita, but it tends to crash a lot.

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  17. Re:In a lot of ways, Gimp is more intuitive than P by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You just have to look at it from programmer's point of view.

    This is why most linux applications are nowhere near ready for the desktop.

    not flaming.

  18. Try GIMPShop by GroundBounce · · Score: 4, Informative

    You might be intrested in GIMPShop. I've never used it, but it is a modified version of GIMP designed to have an interface that is closer to that of Photoshop. There is some Photoshop fuctionality that is missing in GIMP, and this does change that, but it might help long-term Photoshop users become comfortable with GIMP faster, especially if you're in a situation where you need to use both. Again, I've never used it, so I can't speak as to how much it helps.

  19. Re:GIMP != Photoshop by ajs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not even close. True! Photoshop isn't half as useful to me as The Gimp. Many of the features that I use on a regular basis are available to photoshop users only if they buy commercial plugins from third parties. What's more, I use The Gimp under Linux which means that I don't have to deal with a horrible operating system just to edit my photographs.

    For Web work, The Gimp is unrivaled. For some sorts of print work, I would either use Photoshop or Inkscape, depending on what it was that I needed to do. For editing stills for film, I'd use Cinepaint or Photoshop.
  20. Paint.net beats GIMP with a stick by Nerdposeur · · Score: 4, Informative

    I do not understand the fascination with GIMP. I have used Photoshop for basic editing for years, and found GIMP to be a nightmare when I tried it.

    Paint.net, on the other hand, is easy to use, works in basically the same way as Photoshop (many of the shortcut commands are even the same), and is free. I now use it almost every day at work for basic web stuff - resizing, erasing undesirable elements with the clone brush, converting formats, etc.

    Maybe I misunderstand GIMP (maybe because I'm running XP), but you know Photoshop and you're looking for a free version, Paint.net will be a much easier transition.

    1. Re:Paint.net beats GIMP with a stick by garett_spencley · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When I was a teenager (about 10 years ago) I played with Linux and fell in love and became a zealot. I had absolutely no experience with Photoshop what-so-ever. I became pretty proficient with The Gimp. learned a lot about raster image editing, layers etc..

      A few years ago I was forced to switch to Windows because I was looking for work and at the time the office tools just weren't up to par. I needed a job and I needed to be 100% sure that companies could read my resume with no compatibility issues and Word was, unfortunately, the standard.

      To make a long story short I eventually started my own business running commercial web sites. I stuck with Windows mostly because of Internet Explorer but for reasons I can't quite remember I got a copy of Photoshop and became very proficient with it and started to like it. I don't remember why I never used The Gimp on Windows but I remember there being some reason.

      In April I finally migrated back to Linux. I wanted to try Ubuntu and I was VERY impressed. However...

      I just can not use The Gimp.

      And this is coming from someone who used to use it all the time with no problems. I missed Photoshop after moving to Ubuntu sooooooo much that I actually set up a dual boot just for Photoshop.

      Here's why... (and maybe The Gimp can do some of these and I just haven't looked hard enough, I'll admit I haven't spend a TON of time trying).

      o Slices + Save for web + generate HTML. Fuck, slices PERIOD would be nice. And yes Photoshop can make messy HTML and I always clean it up by hand afterwards but as a web developer this is one of my most used Photoshop features.

      o "Save for web" in general. Sure I don't *need* it. But especially when I'm trying to create very small GIF images it's nice to be able to play with the settings and see the palette so I can get the smallest file size possible at the largest possible quality. I pay for bandwidth. This is important.

      o Being able to crop to specific width and height without having to break it into 2 steps (crop + resize) ... I know this probably isn't a very popular feature but I manually crop a lot of thumbnails all the time and being able to do it in one step effectively doubles my productivity. So it's a HUGE MUST for me.

      o All of the layer effects in Photoshop that I use all the time that don't seem to exist in The Gimp (drop shadows, outer/inner blur, stroke etc.). The only thing I can seem to do in The Gimp is adjust the opacity and set the blend mode. So it seems with Gimp you're forced to use script-fu and filters and they create extra layers etc. It's less convenient, takes more time, is not as extensible / adjustable. Gotta guess what your settings will result with and then it's done. If you don't like it you gotta undo and do it all over again. With layer effects in Photoshop you can make a quick adjustment and instantly see the result without applying or committing anything. You can also disable layer effects in Photoshop individually without completely doing away with them.

      o Preview JPEG quality when adjusting the quality before a save ("save for web" does this too).

      o Ability to save and load selections.

      o Actions / history (I actually had to open The Gimp and look because I wasn't 100% sure about this one ... I was right, I can't find a "history" dialogue or equivalent). It's nice to be able to jump to a specific point in the history without having to ctrl+z a bunch of times.

      o Channels don't work the same. If I duplicate a channel and view only that duplicated channel it's all black in The Gimp. In Photoshop I get a greyscale image that I can work with. Perhaps I'm just not doing something right in The Gimp.

      o This is a common complaint and many people would say "it just takes getting used to, The Gimp shouldn't try and be Photoshop etc." but I can not stand The Gimp's multiple windows. This has nothing to do with being used to Photoshop and not being used to The Gimp etc. It's simply a major pain in

  21. Re:Tangentially, I seem to recall... by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Look at Pixel: same interface, most of the power, a fraction of the price.

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  22. Re:In a lot of ways, Gimp is more intuitive than P by WaltBusterkeys · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem is not that it can't detect that you're working with a small file and give additional history steps. The problem is that if you consistently work with small files and get used to having a long undo trail then you may get surprised when you only have a short history when you open a big file.

    For example, in your system a user might usually edit 128x128 px images and have 150 undo steps available. They'd get used to being able to undo 100 brush actions in a row if they needed to revert. But when they edit a larger image they'd inevitably scream with frustration when their history has been silently taken away and they can't undo the stupid change. It's a risk.

    I'm not saying that Adobe made the right design call, but there are positives and negatives on both sides.

  23. Re:Resizing images by GroundBounce · · Score: 2, Informative

    For resizing images, GIMP defaults to using Linear interpolation, but you can change this to use cubic splines, which often gives better results. GIMP does not inherently support more complex interpolations such as Lanczos, but these generally only make a significant difference when upsampling (scaling up).

    In any case, interpolating will blur the image slightly, even when scaling down, so most of the time applying a small to moderate amount of sharpening or unsharp-mask makes the images look much better.

  24. Too little, too late by TheeBlueRoom · · Score: 2, Informative

    The world of pro/semi photography has moved on to tools like Aperture/Lightroom. When you are shooting hundreds images working with them in PS or Gimp is far too time/labor intensive. With the next generation for tools I can efficiently deal with hundreds/thousands of image to grade and quick edit images then if required do fine editing with PS/Gimp.

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  25. Re:What I Want to do with GIMP by untermensch · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is a new feature in the soon to be released Gimp 2.4, check the release notes at:
    http://next.gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.4.html

  26. Re:In a lot of ways, Gimp is more intuitive than P by RyanJBlack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's very sad to me that Corel Paint Shop Pro Photo (XI, or X2, or whatever) doesn't get mentioned in this conversation usually. It's a very full-featured, robust program (built on the former Jasc Paint Shop Pro) with most every feature (including a "lightroom"-like addition to X2) that photoshop has. It's very reasonably priced, and I would place it (in terms of functionality) somewhere between GIMP and Photoshop, and way above Elements, even though the price is basically Elements.

  27. PS CS3 costs more than a DSLR? Um... no... by Aphrika · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Last time I looked, here in the UK they were about the same price - £569, although it'll be more for the camera (maybe £900+) if you're going to be wanting a decent lens. You're also assuming that said DSLR fanatic already has a computer, which you can also argue is a requirement.

    If you're going to pony up between £500 and £1000 for a camera, then it's worth factoring in the price of software, especially as you don't need to buy film.

    I mean that's like getting a film SLR and moaning about the cost of darkroom kit... it's the same with any hobby; horse riding isn't just the price of a horse, fishing isn't just the price of a rod and digital photography isn't just the price of a digital camera, you have to account for all the necessary extras as they say...

  28. Re:In a lot of ways, Gimp is more intuitive than P by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The problem is that if you consistently work with small files and get used to having a long undo trail then you may get surprised when you only have a short history when you open a big file.

    Sheesh. You're really stretching to find a reason. It doesn't do it because Adobe hasn't put it in. And the reason they haven't is probably because there's not a lot of call for it. That seems like a perfectly reasonable answer.

    Photoshop is an amazing program. I'm surprised the reviewer wrote "almost unparalleled." It's flat-out unparalleled. But it's undo, and even its history feature, are not as good as they could be.

  29. CMYK is a deal breaker. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Informative

    For a professional, you have to have high quality CMYK support. Period. Doesn't matter how good the other features are, if you're stuck with RGB, you're never going to be accepted in the world of the printed page.

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  30. Re:In a lot of ways, Gimp is more intuitive than P by Eponymous+Bastard · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'll give you two features that alone make Photoshop easier to use:
    - Unified move/scale/rotate/perspective/etc tool with transparency. Want to paste a person on top of a building? A flower on a hat? Paste your logo on a billboard on a photograph? You move, scale, rotate and do everything else in one shot until it looks right. Scale a bit, move, scale, move, rotate, rescale, change transparency, doesn't match quite right, rescale again... ok. On the Gimp, you have to do scaling and rotation separately, which is harder to get right and you lose quality, especially if you do it repeatedly. The best I found was to use the measuring tool on an axis on both source and destination, and then calculate scale and rotation and enter it on the two dialogs, then move. Even the transparent move wasn't implemented until recently, and you have to make sure to disable visibility of the layer before you move. (Or at least you did a month ago)
    - Adjustment layers: Nondestructive editing is good. Adjust the colors. Adjust the colors of another layer. Doesn't look quite right? Readjust the colors of the first one. In the gimp I end up making copies before a color adjustment so that I can redo it if I need to.

    Notice I'm not talking about high powered features, or 256 bit color in YMCA palette or whatever. I'm talking about every day things. Even the layer grouping in Photoshop is very useful even if you don't put in the layer blending effects, making it easy to implement.

    There are a couple features from the Gimp I miss when I'm using Photoshop, but the end balance is in photoshop's favor.

    For simple editing the Gimp is good. If you don't have Photoshop, the Gimp is good. One-on-one comparison ... give it a couple years.

  31. Re:Fir*Gst post by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Funny

    First post? Dude, you're like, an hour late. Were you just masturbating to your link too long and lost track of time?

  32. THAT interface by Attila+the+Bun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People who complain about Gimp's interface aren't just whingeing for the sake of it. Gimp is immensely capable, but dear god, why is the interface split across so many windows? Photo editing in Gimp is a chore, chasing little windows around the desktop with the mouse.

    It's a terrible pity, because so much work has gone into making Gimp. To can do almost everything an amateur photographer could want, but after a few weeks using it I went looking for an alternative and bought Photoshop Elements. Elements is missing a few features, but it's a pleasure to use, and that's why so many people use it instead of Gimp.

    1. Re:THAT interface by Synic · · Score: 2, Informative

      GimpShop is the answer.

      http://gimpshop.blogspot.com/2005/10/what-is-gimpshop.html

      It brings a more Photoshop-like interface to the Gimp.

  33. CMYK is irrelevant by swillden · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For a professional, you have to have high quality CMYK support. Period. Doesn't matter how good the other features are, if you're stuck with RGB, you're never going to be accepted in the world of the printed page.

    Only if you're working in pre-press. Photographers, even professionals, don't deal with CMYK. Cameras and film scanners are RGB, all retouching is done in RGB, and final images are delivered to magazines/newspapers/whatever in RGB (usually TIFF, sometimes 16 bits per channel, usually 8). Then the pre-press production work begins by moving the images to CMYK and adjusting the colors so they look good in that colorspace and in the print system's color profile.

    This book is for photographers, not pre-press production. For photographers, the real issues that make Photoshop better than the GIMP are:

    1. Nearly everyone knows Photoshop
    2. The GIMP only supports 8 bits per channel
    3. The GIMP lacks adjustment layers
    4. The GIMP lacks the hundreds plugins Photoshop has

    Only item 2 above is a real showstopper, and that's only for images that benefit from greater dynamic range. Item 3 is huge convenience, but can be worked around. Item 4 is also just a convenience factor, but there are some plugins that do stuff that would take hours to do manually. If you need one of those regularly, you're best off getting Photoshop and the plugin.

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    1. Re:CMYK is irrelevant by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yea, my main issues are pre-press at this point, so that's my primary concern. CMYK support is one of those things...Work with OSS enough, and you start seeing things like that. CMYK is only useful for a specific niche, granted, Adobe knows damn well that that niche buys TONS of licenses.

      Your issue #3 is the one that always jumps out and bites me whenever I'm using GIMP. You don't have to have adjustment layers, but once you're used to them, it's hard as hell to go back.

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    2. Re:CMYK is irrelevant by justin12345 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree that number 2 is the real show stopper and what you said about CMYK only really being useful these days if you are doing prepress. What I wanted to add is that almost all images benefit from having a greater dynamic range during the input phase. Even if your output is going to be 8 bits per channel (which it often is), if you do any real manipulation to the image you need some data to throw away, 12 or 16 bits in your source. Otherwise you get some really nasty artifacts, sometimes in the form of color banding and sometimes in just a 'digital-y look' to the image. Its really apparent if you look at late 90s digital that they generally only had 8 bpc to work with.

      I would say that amateurs (as well as artists and illustrators) actually need the extra channels even more then professionals do, as amateurs rely on post processing more, where as a professional will usually strive to get it all in camera if possible so as to minimize the amount of work they have to put into the shoot.

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    3. Re:CMYK is irrelevant by m2943 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are versions of the Gimp that support 16 bits per channel. Hopefully, all of this stuff will get merged in version 3.

    4. Re:CMYK is irrelevant by mlewan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As a shortcoming you forgot the lack of LAB support in the Gimp.

  34. Re:In a lot of ways, Gimp is more intuitive than P by niceone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You just have to look at it from programmer's point of view.

    That might be the best UI insult I have every seen :)

  35. Re:GIMP has some issues by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When I used GIMP, I didn't expect a Photoshop clone. But I *did* expect a program with a GUI that was at least intelligible.

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  36. Re:GIMP has some issues by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The Gimp isn't a free Photoshop clone! I want a free Photoshop clone that does everything exactly the same way, rather than learning how a different program works, even though it may be a more powerful interface in the end!"

    Did I translate that right?


    No, you didn't. It's more like this:

    The GIMP is non-intuitive and nobody can explain to me how it's supposed to be better.


    The rest of that fluff you added to the translation might actually hold water if there wasn't already enough demand to cause GIMPShop to be created.
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  37. Re:In a lot of ways, Gimp is more intuitive than P by Telvin_3d · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because "Computing" isn't a profession. A computer is a tool/household appliance, not a job.

  38. The book is excellent by pitonyak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I own this book and I enjoyed it very much. Not only is the book well structured, a high quality printing process is used. In other words, the paper is nice, the pictures are in color and well done (not the case with all books). I own a few books on Gimp and this is one of my favorites. Perhaps I should note that Gimp is my only option because I use Linux. I also use Bibble to handle conversion from RAW. It has numerous features to handle the conversions in an efficient work flow for multiple photos. For many items, this is sufficient and I must only use Gimp for those rare items not easily supported in Bibble, like whitening teeth. http://www.bibblelabs.com/ The book targets photo manipulation, so it is not the best book if you want to create things such as icons. This is the first time that I have seen perspective correction demonstrated in a book. I also have a comment on the people that choose to comment. Why must mention of Gimp turn into rants and arguments related to Photoshop versus Gimp? This is silly and non-productive for reasons that are not worth stating.

  39. Re:GIMPie by Ant+P. · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try the 2.4 RC; they finally added a "save defaults" button to that window. (It's been driving me insane as well)

  40. Gimp is the software equivalent of "It" by Nephroth · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unfortunate pop-culture reference, but using the GIMP reminds me a lot of the episode of South Park in which Mr. Garrison involves an alternative form of transport with a rather unfortunate control interface.

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  41. Try the 2.4 RCs [Re:New version of GIMP?] by codergeek42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "The user interface is just horrendous."

    You should try the release candidates for version 2.4 - the UI has been significantly improved. It's still not "OMG SEXY" or anything, but it's *far* better than the 2.2 series' was.

  42. Two reasons by BigBadBus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Two reasons why I've tried GIMP and will *NOT* return to it unless it has: a) a better GUI b) better documentation How do you expect ordinary users to use it, regardless of how wonderful it is, if its hard to use and isn't intuitive? Even MS Paint is better, and easier to use than GIMP's functionality!

  43. For the love of god, rename it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If appearances, didn't matter, we wouldn't need image manipulation programs! Time and again, I've seen professional photographers reject the GIMP. Why? Not because it lacks patented color spaces or features, though it does. Simply because the name is cringeingly embarrassing. They'll use some awful shareware app if they can't use photoshop, not the GIMP.

    Now, as some borderline autist developer, you may not care about such things, and think their embarrassment is stupid and irrational. but arty types - including digital media workers - tend to be emotional and less than entiely rational. They're *all about appearances*. When they're talking shop to their colleagues, they don't want to be saying "I just opened up the gimp".

  44. Re:How come no FREE version of this BOOK ?? by FelixGordon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It makes no sense to you that these authors are trying to make a living? Seems perfectly sensible to me. Still better than buying a book on Photoshop, learning the skills, and still having to drop a huge chunk of money on the software.

  45. A little on topic... by Toonol · · Score: 3, Funny

    A few months ago I did a little poking around to see what my son was doing on the internet.

    Well, besides all the obvious things a 17 year old looks for on the net, he was hanging out on a discussion forum for video games. The first post of his that I found was this:

    paint sux use gimp.

    As a father, I'm conflicted.

  46. Re:What about GIMP for cartoonists? by 8-bitDesigner · · Score: 2, Informative

    As a professional artist / amateur illustrator, and working around some fantastically talented people, I gotta say that any raster program you're working with isn't going to cut it for really awesome quality illustrations/webcomics.

    What I've found works best is to take the pencil sketch and then either preliminarily ink it, or scan it in to Illustrator (though I'm sure Inkscape would work well enough too. If you've got a Wacom or similar tablet, you can do inking in Illustrator and use the pressure sensitivity of the pen to get some very natural lines. After that, take the "inked" illustration into Photoshop and paint under it for a good clean illustration.

    Outside of that, you could ink/trace over vellum, scan in the inked sheet, and use Illustrator's "live trace" (prolly in Inkscape too) as another way to get a good vector version of the illustration.

    And hell, failing all that, you can always just use a Wacom tablet + brush tool and draw directly in Photoshop/GIMP over the scanned image.

    I guess the moral of the story is that taking pencil art into a final piece is just painful, and you should just use something, anything to get a clean trace to colour/paint/etc. off of.

  47. JPEG preview, saving selections, and undo history by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    Preview JPEG quality when adjusting the quality before a save ("save for web" does this too). GIMP 2.2.17 has a JPEG preview checkbox.

    Ability to save and load selections. To save a selection in GIMP 2.2.17, create a new layer, then Edit > Fill. To load the selection, right-click the layer in the layer stack then choose Alpha to Selection.

    Actions / history (I actually had to open The Gimp and look because I wasn't 100% sure about this one ... I was right, I can't find a "history" dialogue or equivalent). It's nice to be able to jump to a specific point in the history without having to ctrl+z a bunch of times. In GIMP 2.2.17, try File > Dialogs > Undo History.
  48. I'm a pro photo and I like GIMP by capaslash · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work as a news photographer at a daily paper full time. We use Photoshop on OS X at work. The only thing GIMP really lacks that would make it unattractive for news work is the lack of CMYK. But I understand Krita can handle CMYK just fine. The other standard stuff -- dodging, burning, adjusting levels and curves, resizing, applying unsharp mask -- GIMP does fine. But I don't think the newspaper industry is interested in GIMP. $600 for Photoshop isn't an issue with most newspapers, plus it's a standard so everyone knows how to use it and you don't need to re-train everyone.

    8bits per channel vs. 12-16 bits per channel isn't really an issue for newspaper work. I've never noticed any fellow photographers use these extra bit depth modes. Everybody seems to stick with 8bit/channel jpegs. RAW is slow and takes up a lot of space on memory cards. Also, bear in mind that newsprint is "axle grease on toilet paper" so any advantage that higher bit depths provide will not be especially noticeable. Heck, just getting the CMYK registration to line up on a press is a big enough challenge!

    8bit/channel images are the standard for Web images. So for newspaper Web sites, GIMP, of course, would be perfectly adequate.

    For personal work, I use GIMP. All my flickr photos are processed using GIMP. When I make prints at the one-hour lab, I bring in my media card full if images adjusted only with GIMP. For me, price is an issue. I strongly prefer not to spend $600 on Photoshop. But also, and just as important, I am a fan of the Free Software philosophy. It appeals to me. For these same reasons and more, I use GNU/Linux and BSD at home, also.

    Regarding GIMPs interface, coming from a Photoshop background, it did seem to be awkward to me at first, but now that I'm familiar with it, GIMP's interface seems fine to me. It all depends on what you're used to.

    I've also used GIMP for personal paid projects ... some individual portraits and some group portraits.

    As an aside, I recently installed GIMP on a family friend's computer. They love it! Here's an actual email I received from them:

    "... I took the copy of the rooster photo you had on my CD to send to Costco to make a large print for my sister. The color was dull, so Drew helped me with GIMP and we got vibrant color and an amazing print. I will send it to my sister framed for Christmas; it will be the perfect gift. Thank you for giving us copies of your terrific photos. I want to learn more about GIMP this year, and this experiment has me excited about the possibilities ... [The IT guy at work] told me we have a book in our professional library on how to use GIMP. I checked it out on Thursday before I left for Helena. I am looking forward to trying it out. It will be good to have a new interest occupying my time every so often."

  49. Re:How come no FREE version of this BOOK ?? by capaslash · · Score: 2, Informative

    This fellow: http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/ has an excellent free book.

  50. Re:What makes Photoshop "better" ? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 5, Informative
    I'll do my best to answer your question. I'd like to be up-front, though, and tell you that I don't have enough knowledge to give you a vs. comparison of the two. So what I'll do is list off a bunch of the useful features in PS, specifically those I didn't find when I used GIMP about a year ago. Hopefully somebody else can chime in and say "GIMP does this too". (I would VERY MUCH like to be more educated about the GIMP. Since it's free, there's no reason for me to prefer one to the exclusion of the other.)
    • Patch Tool: The Patch tool is a bit like the clone tool only it takes a stab at adjusting the colors of the new pattern to match what you're pasting it into. In simpler terms it's a clone tool with auto color-correction that makes it much much easier to remove blemishes and create seamless images.
    • Layer Groups and Nested Layers: Photoshop has something called 'Layer Groups' which are a little bit like using Folders. This makes organizing an image with tons of layers very easy. Through this organization, you can use one transparency mode for the entire group. A lot of the tricks I do in Photoshop are centered around organization of the layers. It's difficult to explain without showing you in person, but Layer Groups alone were worth the upgrade many years ago.
    • Adjustment Layers: Photoshop has non-destructive layers that do tasks like Levels Adjustment, Invert, Hue/Saturation, Brightness & Contrast, etc. Each of these layers has a B&W Alpha mask you can paint on straight away to limit the area of the image they work on. After you've set them, you can go back and change their values.
    • 16-bit Support: I probably don't need to say too much here. Photoshop works in a 16-bit space. Although, just between you and me, I've found this less interestin since I have adjustment layers. I don't have to do a lot of re-fiddling with images in a destructive sense. But that's a personal preference thing.
    • Smart Objects: Photoshop will take whatever layers you have selected and create a 'Smart Object'. Basically it collapses those images down into a single layer. However, the original layers are still available. They're stored elsewhere. You can move, rotate, scale, warp, and do all kinds of stuff to a Smart Object without it being destructive. It's sort of like... well, imagine you saved a Photoshop file somewhere else. It has a bunch of layers etc. Then imagine opening a new PS Image and referencing that first one. It's just loading it in as it needs it just like an HTML page references a JPG file. If somebody changes that JPG file and reloads the HTML file, the image in the page changes, right? Well, Smart Objects are sort of like that. The key difference is that they're not external files, they're kept within the .PSD file. They show up as one layer, but when you double click them, they show up as a new document with all the layers in tact.

      If you edit that document and save it, you'll see those changes propogated through every instance you used it in your main file. This means you can clone that image around as many times as you like, then change it later. I don't know if I'm explaining this very clearly or not. The simple version is that it's another non-destructive mode Photoshop has. It's relatively new to PS, but man, I cannot live without it.
    • Lens Blur: Making an 'out of focus' image isn't as simple as just applying a blur to it. Photoshop has a lens-blur filter that takes into account the shape of the iris, bloom of specular highlights, and so on. It looks pretty darned convincing. (I can easily picture photographers loving this.)
    • Text and Shape Layers: I'd be a bit surprised if the GIMP didn't have this, but I do not recall seeing it. Photoshop has vector based layers that are non-destructive. You can put in text or create shapes (stars, etc) or whate
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  51. Re:What makes Photoshop "better" ? by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wacom support, I don't know but as far as photography is concerned I don't think there is much use for one of those.

    For many photographers using a tablet is much easier and natural than using a mouse. And like a trackball, which also have the above advantages, it offers more precise control.

    Some pictures from me: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gomox/ (all processed in Gimp)

    Some nice shots.

    Falcon