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TV Links Raided, Operator Arrested

NetDanzr writes "TV Links, a Web site that provided links to hundreds of movies, documentaries, TV shows and cartoons hosted on streaming media sites such as Google Video and YouTube, has been raided by UK authorities. The site's operator was also arrested, The Guardian reports. Even though the site has not hosted any pirated content, it was a thorn in the side of movie and TV studios, thanks to having links to newest movies and TV shows. As the largest site of its kind, it showcased the power of user-driven Internet, with the site's visitors helping to keep links to content constantly updated."

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  1. I didn't know this existed by bit+trollent · · Score: 5, Funny

    I didn't know this existed but now that I do I would really like to know what other websites have the same type of conent.

    A little help?

    1. Re:I didn't know this existed by op12 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nice try, MPAA!

    2. Re:I didn't know this existed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What I don't understand is, why shut it down? I mean, here is a site, leveraging user content to provide the MPAA and such with direct links to content that is in violation. This seems like the perfect way to quickly and easily send massive amounts of DMCA takedown notices and such. The users of pirated content provide the latest, best links to pirated content for you to have taken down.

      They might have just killed something they could have used as a great tool.

    3. Re:I didn't know this existed by JediLow · · Score: 3, Informative
    4. Re:I didn't know this existed by ravenspear · · Score: 5, Informative

      Most of the actual content was hosted on foreign servers in asia/europe, so a DMCA takedown notice would have done diddly squat to remove it.

    5. Re:I didn't know this existed by megaditto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I gave up cable to cut costs. Now I'm out many of my shows. Damn! Should have Mirrored. We all feel very sorry that the movie/TV studios are stealing your money that way, I am sure.

      To compensate, try cutting the fuel costs by siphoning off the neighbours' gasoline.
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  2. I'm so excited... by creativeHavoc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just got my first ever "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along." Anyways... it would be interesting to see what happens with this. Taking it to the real life examples... many shops that sell pipes and other drug-use paraphernalia have many run-ins with the laws, and yet they are still in operation to this day, and the only time actual legal repercussions are brought to the managers of these stores is usually through another issue, that it technically unrelated to their shop. This should be the same issue. I would not be surprised if it is treated differently however.

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  3. The obvious question.... by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How is anything this site did remotely "illegal"?

    This sounds to me like it simply amounts to harassment by legal authorities, after having pressure put on them to "do something" by the movie and/or TV studios.

    I know here in the United States, "search and seizure" is a popular law-enforcement tool for the purpose of slowing/stopping activities they can't really find sufficient evidence to prosecute. (All you need is a judge's signature saying it's ok to proceed with a search and seizure, and they can waltz in with the warrant in hand, seizing the "offending" property. Then just lock it away in an evidence locker for a few years, sitting on it and depriving the owner of it. Eventually, sure, they'll probably just return it, claiming "insufficient evidence" to make a case against them - but they accomplished what they were really after.)

    1. Re:The obvious question.... by Yer+Mum · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In Spain, a judge has found that a similar site which holds links to films or music is not illegal, saying that they did not host any material and .

      http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/293205/0/enlaces/descargas/sharemule/

      (in Spanish, Babelfish may help if you don't speak it)
  4. hmmm by User+956 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Even though the site has not hosted any pirated content, it was a thorn in the side of movie and TV studios, thanks to having links to newest movies and TV shows.

    Any bets on how long until ThePirateBay snaps up the domain name and re-opens the site?

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  5. HuH?! by imstanny · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since when is it illegal to tell others where a certain thing (legal or illegal) is occurring? Is it then illegal to for me to link to his site? ...This is a dangerous slippery slope. While he maybe contributing to illegal activity, but so is modern technology in the production and distribution of illegal drugs - that doesn't make planes and needles illegal.

    1. Re:HuH?! by cliffski · · Score: 3, Interesting

      well i reckon if i ran a business where people knocked on my door and asked me where to buy some cocaine, and i told them which address and what time to go to, and they gave me $1 for my time, then I'd be in a cell right away, despite not physically having any cocaine or selling it.
      No doubt this site made money from ads, and to pretend the business model of the site was not designed around leeching money indirectly from copyrighted material is just naive.
      People are always so keen to argue the finer points and wording of the law if it lets them carry on taking other peoples stuff for free, but when your house gets burgled, and the guy gets off with a technicality, are you equally anal about defining guilt?
      It seems obvious to me that if you run a site that provides easy access to copyrighted content, you are breaking the law, especially if you do not remove that content when the copyright holder alerts you to it.

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    2. Re:HuH?! by imstanny · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would have to respectfully dissent. You either break the law or you don't. Take Radar detector manufactureres. They manufacture and sell a product designed to assist breaking the law. We (and the companies of these detectors) can safely assume that most of the customers are or will be committing a crime, and will be assisted by the radar detector they are selling for a profit. Yet, these companies aren't being raided by the FBI. Why? Because it is not a crime to make a radar detector. It is a crime to speed on the high way. Not being able to distinguish between the 2 sets up a very dangerous slippery slope that I spoke about in my OP.

  6. it was nice while it lasted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    that's too bad. i ran across the site a while back and discovered there were episodes and, indeed, entire seasons of british television shows i was fond of but had never had the opportunity to see here in the states. after getting a chance to watch them, i tracked down the dvd sets (amazon.co.uk ftw) and bought them. this site was doing the industry a favor but, typically it seems, was viewed instead as some kind of threat. balls.

  7. Power Play by whackco · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, although it existed, I dont' know what the law states in the EU as to linking to protected content. This might just be a power play by the studios to make an example of them. I have a feeling this is going to be similar to the raid that was done on the pirate bay servers, and in a few months they will drop the charges, after almost or completely bankrupting this poor sap.

    1. Re:Power Play by rhombic · · Score: 4, Informative

      Anyone know what sort of SLAPP provisions the UK has?

      Doesn't matter, this wouldn't fall under it. Likewise if this had happened in the US. SLAPP laws apply to civil actions, this was a police action (according to the FA, police plus "officers from Gloucestershire County Council trading standards"). You might be able to make a case against them for some kind of wrongful prosecution, but SLAPP limitations won't apply.

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    2. Re:Power Play by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The public trust in the legal system will be reduced even more.

      It's sad that the effort put in by the police at personal property crime is so low that most cases are dismissed within a few months while they can pull in a huge number of people for an effort like this.

      And then the police are complaining about that ordinary people takes the law into their own hands.

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    3. Re:Power Play by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'd normally argue that the guy broke the law, and got arrested....so what?

      Nut that's a good comment that deserves addressing...watch this...

      "The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom (from where I am posting) lives at number 10 Downing Street, London."

      I just broke the Official Secrets Act. Seriously. That's a pretty heavy crime, and it's easy enough to trace me with evidence like that. Get a lawyer on to it, force Slashdot to hand over my registration details, google the email address, find out which sites I run, do a WHOIS do find out the hosts and then force them to hand over the details of the billing address.
      Easy enough, and (on paper) quite a big crime. Will they? No, probably not. People have to complain before the public prosecutors can act in this country. You could dissolve a man in acid in front of a thousand people, but if nobody officially complains and the police don't see it, they can't prosecute.

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    4. Re:Power Play by gowen · · Score: 3, Informative

      I just broke the Official Secrets Act. Seriously. That's a pretty heavy crime, and it's easy enough to trace me with evidence like that.
      Err, no. Firstly, that's not a secret, and secondly unless you've signed the official secrets act, you're not covered by nearly all of its terms.

      And since you're clearly a moron, I'm guessing you're not a Crown/Military official who's been asked to sign the OSA.
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  8. Power Play by whackco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That is exactly what this is. A power play by big studios to make an example out of this guy. After nearly or completely bankrupting him, they will drop all the charges, and he will be off on his way. Anyone know what sort of SLAPP provisions the UK has?

  9. By their logic... by Korveck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google needs to be shut down for "facilitation of copyright infringement on the internet", or even "facilitation of terrorism on the internet".

  10. Coincidence by Neon+Aardvark · · Score: 3, Funny

    Coincidentally, I just tried to visit that site. It's of course down.

    And then I went here to slashdot and saw this story.

    But now I must be moving on again, in my travels across the intertubes.

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  11. Another good one by ravenspear · · Score: 4, Interesting
  12. Dont you get it yet? by PhreakOfTime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is not about 'protecting' copyright.

    This is about CONTROL.

    What better way to avoid spending all the courts time issuing takedown notices than to SCARE those using this site, and OTHER sites to stop doing what they are doing?

    Be very wary of those who go after the organizers of people, for their motives might not be something you can even imagine

  13. Re:wtf? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The MPAA is going after the organizers of people, not the people who are actually doing things illegal. Cue grandparent post.

  14. Legal Information by Nazlfrag · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From their 'Legal' page:

    Legal

    TV Links is not responsible for any content linked to or referred to from these pages.

    TV Links does not host any content on our Servers

    All video links point to content hosted on third party webites. Users who upload to these websites agree not to upload illegal content when creating their user accounts. TV Links does not accept responsibility for content hosted on third party websites.

    If you have any legal queries please email legal@tv-links.co.uk It seems they at least talked to a lawyer beforehand. They never hosted the actual content in question. Taking their servers has eliminated exactly zero pirated works from the internet. This will be a tough one to prosecute.
  15. Re:wtf? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The difference is of course that drug kingpins, top brass, and violent gangs are actually doing something illegal.

  16. Re: Official Secrets Act by The+Cornishman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Where do you get the idea that you need to "sign the Official Secrets Act" in order to be covered by its provisions? Nobody has to "sign the Official Secrets Act" but as a Crown servant (or contractor) one is required to sign a piece of paper which acknowledges that one understands the Act's provisions. All persons in UK jurisdiction are covered by the Official Secrets Acts 1911 to 1989. The 1989 Act was "An Act to replace section 2 of the Official Secrets Act 1911 by provisions protecting more limited classes of official information" The 1989 Act does not affect the operation of section 1 of the Official Secrets Act 1911, which protects information useful to an enemy. The maximum penalty for offences under section 1 of the 1911 Act is fourteen years' imprisonment.