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TV Links Raided, Operator Arrested

NetDanzr writes "TV Links, a Web site that provided links to hundreds of movies, documentaries, TV shows and cartoons hosted on streaming media sites such as Google Video and YouTube, has been raided by UK authorities. The site's operator was also arrested, The Guardian reports. Even though the site has not hosted any pirated content, it was a thorn in the side of movie and TV studios, thanks to having links to newest movies and TV shows. As the largest site of its kind, it showcased the power of user-driven Internet, with the site's visitors helping to keep links to content constantly updated."

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  1. I didn't know this existed by bit+trollent · · Score: 5, Funny

    I didn't know this existed but now that I do I would really like to know what other websites have the same type of conent.

    A little help?

    1. Re:I didn't know this existed by op12 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nice try, MPAA!

    2. Re:I didn't know this existed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What I don't understand is, why shut it down? I mean, here is a site, leveraging user content to provide the MPAA and such with direct links to content that is in violation. This seems like the perfect way to quickly and easily send massive amounts of DMCA takedown notices and such. The users of pirated content provide the latest, best links to pirated content for you to have taken down.

      They might have just killed something they could have used as a great tool.

    3. Re:I didn't know this existed by JediLow · · Score: 3, Informative
    4. Re:I didn't know this existed by ravenspear · · Score: 5, Informative

      Most of the actual content was hosted on foreign servers in asia/europe, so a DMCA takedown notice would have done diddly squat to remove it.

    5. Re:I didn't know this existed by flitty · · Score: 2, Funny

      In related news, TVRSS was shut down. Slashdot was also shut down for linking the linkers. CowboyNeal was quoted as saying "In soviet russia, Internet links you!"

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    6. Re:I didn't know this existed by megaditto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I gave up cable to cut costs. Now I'm out many of my shows. Damn! Should have Mirrored. We all feel very sorry that the movie/TV studios are stealing your money that way, I am sure.

      To compensate, try cutting the fuel costs by siphoning off the neighbours' gasoline.
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  2. I'm so excited... by creativeHavoc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just got my first ever "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along." Anyways... it would be interesting to see what happens with this. Taking it to the real life examples... many shops that sell pipes and other drug-use paraphernalia have many run-ins with the laws, and yet they are still in operation to this day, and the only time actual legal repercussions are brought to the managers of these stores is usually through another issue, that it technically unrelated to their shop. This should be the same issue. I would not be surprised if it is treated differently however.

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    1. Re:I'm so excited... by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem is, the "drug paraphernalia" has many legitimate uses other then drug use too. It can be seen as selling drug paraphernalia or selling a tobacco pipe, or postal scales or whatever instead.

      So the only ways to tell if the store owner is selling drug paraphernalia or something that is used legally, is to ask them. well, guess what the answer is going to be.

      Now, the difference between this and TVlinks is what other legal use is a link to a copyright protected work that is being displayed without the copyright holders permission? In other words, there really isn't a legal alternative use for what they are providing. It cannot be seen as some kids decided to use something other then it was intended to be used for.

      One of my favorite one hitters when I was into that stuff was a disassembled tire presure gage. That doesn't mean that auto parts stores are selling drug paraphernalia now. Hopefully this points out the differences in intent and legalities between the two situations.

  3. The obvious question.... by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How is anything this site did remotely "illegal"?

    This sounds to me like it simply amounts to harassment by legal authorities, after having pressure put on them to "do something" by the movie and/or TV studios.

    I know here in the United States, "search and seizure" is a popular law-enforcement tool for the purpose of slowing/stopping activities they can't really find sufficient evidence to prosecute. (All you need is a judge's signature saying it's ok to proceed with a search and seizure, and they can waltz in with the warrant in hand, seizing the "offending" property. Then just lock it away in an evidence locker for a few years, sitting on it and depriving the owner of it. Eventually, sure, they'll probably just return it, claiming "insufficient evidence" to make a case against them - but they accomplished what they were really after.)

    1. Re:The obvious question.... by Yer+Mum · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In Spain, a judge has found that a similar site which holds links to films or music is not illegal, saying that they did not host any material and .

      http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/293205/0/enlaces/descargas/sharemule/

      (in Spanish, Babelfish may help if you don't speak it)
    2. Re:The obvious question.... by OriginalArlen · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Yes, you're are spot on. Evilcopyrightmafiascumspawn are the same all over the world.

      Until recently we would have had to rely on the Register as the only UK-based organisation that would get it on this sort of thing; however we now have the Open Rights Group, who I hope will be saying something about this at least, which might merit an inch or two below the fold on p22 of one or two of the broadsheets in the next week or so.

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    3. Re:The obvious question.... by msblack · · Score: 2, Informative
      A genius named King_TJ wrote:

      How is anything this site did remotely "illegal"? The answers to all your questions can be found in the original article.

      A 26-year-old man from Cheltenham was arrested on Thursday in connection with offences relating to the facilitation of copyright infringement on the internet, Fact said. Please note this statement will be subject to legal challenge when the case comes to court. In the meantime, feel free to rant and rave about the big hand of media conglomerates smashing content viewers who wish to avoid paying fees for their activities.

      NOTE: This post does not argue any point of view and merely points out very obvious facts. When it gets modded down as redundant or flamebait or troll, that will speak volumes for the crowd that moderates postings.

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    4. Re:The obvious question.... by Bogtha · · Score: 2, Informative

      How is anything this site did remotely "illegal"?

      It's hard to say; the article doesn't give enough detail. The relevant UK law is, I believe, the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act, 1988.

      I suppose if the site hosted torrents, that would fall under "an article specifically designed or adapted for making copies of that work, knowing or having reason to believe that it is to be used to make infringing copies.".

      Alternatively, if the site merely hosted links, it might be classified as "permitting use of premises for infringing performance", but that's a bit of a stretch.

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    5. Re:The obvious question.... by spiritraveller · · Score: 2, Informative

      It doesn't apply to the UK, but for an American context, the Grokster decision says that "one who distributes a device with the object of promoting its use to infringe copyright, as shown by clear expression or other affirmative steps taken to foster infringement, is liable for the resulting acts of infringement by third parties."

      It's not much of a reach to call a web page, website, or html link a "device".

      The question then is whether the distribution of this particular link, site, or page is shown by clear expression or ather affirmative steps to be for the object of promoting its use to infringe copyright.

      Obviously it is. The link points directly to copyrighted content being distributed by an infringing third party.

    6. Re:The obvious question.... by kalel666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or, maybe, by not arguing a point of view and only pointing out obvious facts you have added very little to the discussion...


      Only on Slashdot could that be a bad thing.

      Scientific method? Pffft. Whatever.
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    7. Re:The obvious question.... by I.M.O.G. · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Please note this statement will be subject to legal challenge when the case comes to court. In the meantime, feel free to rant and rave about the big hand of media conglomerates smashing content viewers who wish to avoid paying fees for their activities.

      NOTE: This post does not argue any point of view and merely points out very obvious facts. When it gets modded down as redundant or flamebait or troll, that will speak volumes for the crowd that moderates postings.

      In fact, the form and tact of your wording does give your statement a position and you are thus arguing a point. While I will not mod you for it, I will call you on it. The wordchoice "rant and rave" is commonly interpreted with a negative connotation. Combine that with the statement "feel free", where you are giving permission thereby placing yourself in a position of benevolent authority, when no one needs your permission if they care to "rant and rave"... And it then becomes even more inarguable that you have a stance and aren't merely pointing out obvious facts. Its also clear your a griefer about the moderation system, as your so self concious about it you make innaccurate predictions in an apparent attempt to game the system.

  4. hmmm by User+956 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Even though the site has not hosted any pirated content, it was a thorn in the side of movie and TV studios, thanks to having links to newest movies and TV shows.

    Any bets on how long until ThePirateBay snaps up the domain name and re-opens the site?

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  5. HuH?! by imstanny · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since when is it illegal to tell others where a certain thing (legal or illegal) is occurring? Is it then illegal to for me to link to his site? ...This is a dangerous slippery slope. While he maybe contributing to illegal activity, but so is modern technology in the production and distribution of illegal drugs - that doesn't make planes and needles illegal.

    1. Re:HuH?! by cliffski · · Score: 3, Interesting

      well i reckon if i ran a business where people knocked on my door and asked me where to buy some cocaine, and i told them which address and what time to go to, and they gave me $1 for my time, then I'd be in a cell right away, despite not physically having any cocaine or selling it.
      No doubt this site made money from ads, and to pretend the business model of the site was not designed around leeching money indirectly from copyrighted material is just naive.
      People are always so keen to argue the finer points and wording of the law if it lets them carry on taking other peoples stuff for free, but when your house gets burgled, and the guy gets off with a technicality, are you equally anal about defining guilt?
      It seems obvious to me that if you run a site that provides easy access to copyrighted content, you are breaking the law, especially if you do not remove that content when the copyright holder alerts you to it.

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    2. Re:HuH?! by imstanny · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would have to respectfully dissent. You either break the law or you don't. Take Radar detector manufactureres. They manufacture and sell a product designed to assist breaking the law. We (and the companies of these detectors) can safely assume that most of the customers are or will be committing a crime, and will be assisted by the radar detector they are selling for a profit. Yet, these companies aren't being raided by the FBI. Why? Because it is not a crime to make a radar detector. It is a crime to speed on the high way. Not being able to distinguish between the 2 sets up a very dangerous slippery slope that I spoke about in my OP.

    3. Re:HuH?! by bubblah · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is some precident in this if the copyright holder objects - http://www.news.com/2100-1030_3-6145744.html from news.com, plus the issue of deep linking has always been contentious. However, agreed that TV links linked only to media, but they also wrapped the media in their own picture window. rather than taking you to the media directly, they did open it up in a popup window that was affiliated with TV Links. Not saying this is right or wrong, but it opens up the whole embedding of content issue. They really should go after the source, not the linking systems. But then some linking systems might be easier to take down. Another will take its place, that is the humor part of this, the whole hydra issue.

    4. Re:HuH?! by Monstard · · Score: 2, Funny

      Great, so now watching TV is equivalent to snorting cocaine?

    5. Re:HuH?! by steelfood · · Score: 2, Insightful

      especially if you do not remove that content when the copyright holder alerts you to it.

      I thnk you're confusing things. The site doesn't own the content; it just links to it. There's no law that states site operators have to remove links when requested. The laws only apply to the sites hosting the content itself.

      I'm not particularly against this action, however foolish and pointless it might seem. But I am against using law enforcement resources for such a trivial thing when there are rape and murder cases that remain unsolved. What this shows is that the priorities of said law enforcement agency and hence the government that runs the agency are not where they ought to be.

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    6. Re:HuH?! by Artifakt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "People are always so keen to argue the finer points and wording of the law if it lets them carry on taking other peoples stuff for free, but when your house gets burgled, and the guy gets off with a technicality, are you equally anal about defining guilt?"

      No, when my house was burgled, the perp sold one of my stereo components at a flea market, and I'm proud to say I did just what you advocate - I nagged the cops until they prosecuted the college student who bought it and it cost him so much he had to drop out. I agree with you totally, figuring he was probably just an innocent bystander would have been anal, and the only non-anal definition is "they're all guilty, castrate them all with a dull spoon!" We never caught the burglar, but we sent somebody elss to jail for something at least vaguely related, so justice was done, totally non-anally. Thank goodness hangin' judge Bob agreed with me.
            You just sincerely defined high standards for protecting innocent people as anal and used a tremendously fictitious example to support it (When was the last burglary case you actually heard of where the law let the criminal go free on a technicality? Burglary? It's a well established area of law, where several states have recently adopted laws letting you flat out kill the criminal in defense of your property - what are you claiming is a mere technicality?).
            I reckon the site might have made money on ads, and its business model definitely seems to have been to attract viewers with links to outside content. I don't yet know if they preferred copyrighted content or not, or if they just ignored copyright issues, or not, just as I don't know if they made a real effort to take down infringing links or made only a token effort. Things like that should come out at a trial.
            I also don't know if they broke a law yet or not. There's a real difference between providing easy access to (other people's) copyrighted content, and making a criminal's task easier merely as an inadvertent consequence. If I teach your burglar to drive, I've increased the number of houses he can get to - is that somehow accessory to burglary? Helping people find a local cocaine dealer for the purpose of buying his drugs is a conspiracy, but having taught that dealer's high school chemistry class isn't, and helping someone find him for some other reason isn't likely either, and that's not a technicality, it's common sense. It seems obvious to me that the law in question doesn't say "Providing easy access to copyrighted content is illegal." It probably runs several pages, at least. The "especially if you don't ..." part definitely isn't law - the DMCA says something more like "especially if you don't comply with the detailed take-down procedure when the owner follows it.", and the DMCA is definitely a lot longer than a paragraph - guess those extra 13 pages are all just technicalities. Or do you know for a fact that the British equivalent is a real short law with no 'technicalities' included?

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    7. Re:HuH?! by rastoboy29 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Meanwhile, back in reality, the law is an ass.

      And what content are you suggesting they should have removed?  The URL's?  Are those copyrighted now?

  6. it was nice while it lasted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    that's too bad. i ran across the site a while back and discovered there were episodes and, indeed, entire seasons of british television shows i was fond of but had never had the opportunity to see here in the states. after getting a chance to watch them, i tracked down the dvd sets (amazon.co.uk ftw) and bought them. this site was doing the industry a favor but, typically it seems, was viewed instead as some kind of threat. balls.

  7. Power Play by whackco · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, although it existed, I dont' know what the law states in the EU as to linking to protected content. This might just be a power play by the studios to make an example of them. I have a feeling this is going to be similar to the raid that was done on the pirate bay servers, and in a few months they will drop the charges, after almost or completely bankrupting this poor sap.

    1. Re:Power Play by rhombic · · Score: 4, Informative

      Anyone know what sort of SLAPP provisions the UK has?

      Doesn't matter, this wouldn't fall under it. Likewise if this had happened in the US. SLAPP laws apply to civil actions, this was a police action (according to the FA, police plus "officers from Gloucestershire County Council trading standards"). You might be able to make a case against them for some kind of wrongful prosecution, but SLAPP limitations won't apply.

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    2. Re:Power Play by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The public trust in the legal system will be reduced even more.

      It's sad that the effort put in by the police at personal property crime is so low that most cases are dismissed within a few months while they can pull in a huge number of people for an effort like this.

      And then the police are complaining about that ordinary people takes the law into their own hands.

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    3. Re:Power Play by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'd normally argue that the guy broke the law, and got arrested....so what?

      Nut that's a good comment that deserves addressing...watch this...

      "The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom (from where I am posting) lives at number 10 Downing Street, London."

      I just broke the Official Secrets Act. Seriously. That's a pretty heavy crime, and it's easy enough to trace me with evidence like that. Get a lawyer on to it, force Slashdot to hand over my registration details, google the email address, find out which sites I run, do a WHOIS do find out the hosts and then force them to hand over the details of the billing address.
      Easy enough, and (on paper) quite a big crime. Will they? No, probably not. People have to complain before the public prosecutors can act in this country. You could dissolve a man in acid in front of a thousand people, but if nobody officially complains and the police don't see it, they can't prosecute.

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    4. Re:Power Play by gowen · · Score: 3, Informative

      I just broke the Official Secrets Act. Seriously. That's a pretty heavy crime, and it's easy enough to trace me with evidence like that.
      Err, no. Firstly, that's not a secret, and secondly unless you've signed the official secrets act, you're not covered by nearly all of its terms.

      And since you're clearly a moron, I'm guessing you're not a Crown/Military official who's been asked to sign the OSA.
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  8. Power Play by whackco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That is exactly what this is. A power play by big studios to make an example out of this guy. After nearly or completely bankrupting him, they will drop all the charges, and he will be off on his way. Anyone know what sort of SLAPP provisions the UK has?

  9. By their logic... by Korveck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google needs to be shut down for "facilitation of copyright infringement on the internet", or even "facilitation of terrorism on the internet".

  10. Let me get this straight... by Dekortage · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is a web site that provides links to CRIMINALS, and the police pull down the web site? Why not leave the site up and use it to help track down the people actually creating and hosting the pirated content? Heck, I'm surprised the police were not operating the site themselves as a sting operation.

    Whether piracy is Right or Wrong, it is presently against The Law, so this site could have been a useful tool for investigations.

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  11. caches by objekt · · Score: 3, Informative
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    1. Re:caches by cstdenis · · Score: 2, Informative

      Cache won't be useful for long with stuff constantly being taken down.

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  12. Coincidence by Neon+Aardvark · · Score: 3, Funny

    Coincidentally, I just tried to visit that site. It's of course down.

    And then I went here to slashdot and saw this story.

    But now I must be moving on again, in my travels across the intertubes.

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  13. Another good one by ravenspear · · Score: 4, Interesting
    1. Re:Another good one by darkfish32 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In case you're interested, it's meant to sound like "all you see" on the internet. Has always been better that tvlinks: has way more content, updated more often, and constantly improving the interface and organization to get what you want faster/easier.

      Great site

  14. Dont you get it yet? by PhreakOfTime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is not about 'protecting' copyright.

    This is about CONTROL.

    What better way to avoid spending all the courts time issuing takedown notices than to SCARE those using this site, and OTHER sites to stop doing what they are doing?

    Be very wary of those who go after the organizers of people, for their motives might not be something you can even imagine

  15. wtf? by cliffski · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hang on to your tinfoil hat there a minute. Don't big this up into being some fascist state bullshit. this was not 'the organizers of people' it was not a radical anti-government organization encouraging political debate, or suggesting political change. it was a way for geeks to download copyrighted tv and movies. don't try and pretend it was anything more intellectual.

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    1. Re:wtf? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The MPAA is going after the organizers of people, not the people who are actually doing things illegal. Cue grandparent post.

    2. Re:wtf? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The difference is of course that drug kingpins, top brass, and violent gangs are actually doing something illegal.

  16. Re:Pointing to illegal content = conspiracy! (?!?) by Gregb05 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When defining a concept, for instance, "Truthiness" you only need to put quotation marks around the new term once. Thereafter, it is understood that you are referring to the previously defined term.

    Furthermore, HTML has mechanisms for emphasizing certain parts of expressions, such as bold, underline, or italic. There's also several commonly accepted non-HTML standards for doing so, such as *stars*, _lines_ or CAPITAL LETTERS.

    As for the content, Conspiracy applies to two or more people entering an agreement to break the law at the same time, knowingly aiding someone committing a crime, may cause the breaking of more laws; For instance, evading police after a bank robbery.

    Freedom of speech protections end at most destructive, non-political messages, such as shouting "fire" in a theater when no fire is present, or falsely defaming a person or their business. Most courts would rightly consider freedom of expression ended when it concerns illegal acts; Should someone be caught attempting to sell drugs to a police officer, they would most likely not be successful claiming a freedom of speech defense, even though he or she may not have possessed controlled substances at the time.

    Finally, the law in question isn't American, so any precedent or legislation in the American legal system doesn't matter as far as this article is concerned.

    Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.

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  17. Legal Information by Nazlfrag · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From their 'Legal' page:

    Legal

    TV Links is not responsible for any content linked to or referred to from these pages.

    TV Links does not host any content on our Servers

    All video links point to content hosted on third party webites. Users who upload to these websites agree not to upload illegal content when creating their user accounts. TV Links does not accept responsibility for content hosted on third party websites.

    If you have any legal queries please email legal@tv-links.co.uk It seems they at least talked to a lawyer beforehand. They never hosted the actual content in question. Taking their servers has eliminated exactly zero pirated works from the internet. This will be a tough one to prosecute.
  18. Re: Official Secrets Act by The+Cornishman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Where do you get the idea that you need to "sign the Official Secrets Act" in order to be covered by its provisions? Nobody has to "sign the Official Secrets Act" but as a Crown servant (or contractor) one is required to sign a piece of paper which acknowledges that one understands the Act's provisions. All persons in UK jurisdiction are covered by the Official Secrets Acts 1911 to 1989. The 1989 Act was "An Act to replace section 2 of the Official Secrets Act 1911 by provisions protecting more limited classes of official information" The 1989 Act does not affect the operation of section 1 of the Official Secrets Act 1911, which protects information useful to an enemy. The maximum penalty for offences under section 1 of the 1911 Act is fourteen years' imprisonment.