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Mythbusters to Test Cockroach Radiation Myth

redwoodtree writes "An article on the site for the Tri-City Herald sums it up perfectly: 'Contrary to popular belief, not a significant amount of research goes into cockroach radiation.' To test the old saw about 'the cockroaches being the only survivors of a nuclear war' Discovery Channel's Mythbusters are going out to Hanford Site, where plutonium was manufactured for the first nuclear bomb. It's the single most polluted nuclear waste site in the U.S. The Mythbusters are going to take cockroaches and other insects and apply successively higher doses of radiation in a controlled setting."

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  1. Safety? by guruevi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder how they will handle the nuclear safety of their own and their crew.

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    1. Re:Safety? by MichaelKaiserProScri · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Gamma irradiator. Basically, big lead tube with a gamma source inside. You can't get it out. You can't expose the source to the outside world. There is a lead "airlock". You put the roach inside. Irradiate. Release. I went to a High School that had a gamma irradiator. We DID this experiment. Exposed roach to greater than 1000, but less than 10000 roentgens. We weren't real precise. But the roach lived long enough for us to decide we better squish it before it reproduced.

      Oh, yes, "stuff doesn't glow when you expose it to radiation". Not 100% true. Some stuff DOES. Namely most crystals. One of the most impressive examples is Sodium Chloride. Yep, table salt. Irradiate it overnight. The gamma rays knock the electrons up to a higher energy level. But since salt has a very tight crystaline structure, they don't snap back down immediatly. Remove from irradiator, and over the course of the next 24 hours, it glows pretty brightly (bright as a glow stick) in a funky red-orange light (spectra of sodium). Eventually all the electrons snap back down to their ground state and it quits glowing. Not radioactive at any point while this is going on. The only thing it emits is red-orange photons which are not "radiation" by most people's standards. (Well it is, but ALL light is...)

    2. Re:Safety? by grogdamighty · · Score: 5, Funny

      You just shouldn't put stuff you find on the ground in your mouth..

      Note: this is generally good advice anywhere.

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    3. Re:Safety? by Chmarr · · Score: 5, Funny

      Exactly. Pumpkins are totally dangerous.

    4. Re:Safety? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Informative

      But only the EVIL ones

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    5. Re:Safety? by Akzo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well done fellow moderators. A warning about evil pumpkins is of course not funny, but informative.

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  2. Re:Is it a MYTH??? by wanderingknight · · Score: 5, Informative
    Umm, until there's scientific backing to the claim, any "popular knowledge" is and remains a myth. That's the whole point of the word. From dictionary.com:

    5.an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution. Seems mythic enough to me.
  3. I thought it was for a different reason by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Cockroaches are spread out and hidden in walls so they're in places that less radiation will hit. After nuclear winter, they can eat all the carcasses of higher life forms and just plain survive. I never thought,"Hey, cockroaches can withstand more heat than other living organisms." We all know the bacteria that lives in deep sea vents will last because it doesn't get it's energy from the sun, and its shielded from the radiation above ground. Life will continue after nuclear winter, that is certain, but will human life continue is the question.

  4. Re:Don't forget to test twinkies as well by hyades1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    And lawyers. Couldn't we try some lawyers???

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  5. Nukes? Cockroaches are dead even w/o radiation by dtolman · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to "The World Without Us", by Alan Weisman - most of the roaches in the industrialized world will be Dead within 3 years of humanity disappearing! Thats without even the radiation. So don't worry... when we go, the roaches will go with us.

  6. Boric Acid by curmudgeon99 · · Score: 5, Funny

    As a proud resident of cochroach-ridden New York City, I can report that the little devils are immune to everything but Boric Acid which--apparently--causes them to become constipated.

  7. Re:Call from PETA in ... 3, 2, 1 by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    "So what is your criteria for what you will and won't murder ?"

    Objection, your Honor - Loaded Question (Or is it leading the witness?)!

    The correct question is "So what is your criteria for what you will and won't kill?"

    "Killing" is performing an action that causes something that is living to cease doing so.

    "Murder" is a legal definition, along with "manslaughter", "homicide", etc. By it's very definition, it is impossible to "murder" a cockroach.

    If you are going to troll, do it correctly.

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  8. Dude! by markov_chain · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where exactly did you go to high school? :)

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    1. Re:Dude! by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

      Soviet Russia.

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  9. take care by clem · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't get bitten by any of those radioactive cockroaches. Lord knows the superpowers you'd acquire.

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    1. Re:take care by iknowcss · · Score: 5, Funny
      Hmmm:
      • Fear of light
      • Lives mostly indoors
      • Hunched over
      • Content with junk food
      *looks at "computer nerd" checklist*
      *looks at "Cockroach-Man" checklist*

      Oh my God.

      I HAVE SUPER POWERS
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  10. Re:Cockroaches, harmed in the making of broadcast? by SydBarrett · · Score: 5, Funny

    Strange that people like yourself can't tell the difference between a cockroach and a dog.

    Dude, roaches and dogs taste COMPLETELY different.

  11. Deadly virus? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hell, I might do it for fun.

    These kinds of "dilemma's" are nothing but intellectual masturbation. I'll tell you right now: in a real world situation, that man or that dog would be a greasy spot if it was only thought that their death would save 100,000 people.

    And as for the reverse, you can bet, in a quarantine situation, they would kill as many as it took (or as they could) to keep the sick separated from the well. It's the only thing that can be done in that situation, 1, 100, or 1,000,000. The reverse also holds: if you were stuck in a quarantine, and you believed yourself or your family to be in danger of being infected, you'd do whatever you could to break quarantine, even at the risk of infecting countless others...That's why they defend barricades with guns, not pamphlets on disease control.

    The desire to protect yourself and your loved ones trumps it all, when it comes down to it. That's just human nature.

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  12. Re:Safety isn't the issue by bmerlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is Mythbusters. They'll do whatever they think is coolest, correctness be damned.

  13. Re:Is it a MYTH??? by operagost · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can assure you that Catholicism does exist.

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  14. Re:Don't forget to test twinkies as well by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 5, Funny

    And lawyers. Couldn't we try some lawyers???

    Are you NUTS? They'll MUTATE! It's bad enough with NORMAL lawyers already!

  15. Re:Call from PETA in ... 3, 2, 1 by operagost · · Score: 5, Funny

    So what is your criteria for what you will and won't murder ?
    That depends. Are you still beating your wife?
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  16. Re:Is it a MYTH??? by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 5, Informative

    Seriously though, Mythbusters just plain old has a policy of not testing any religious myths. Saw it mentioned in their forums.

  17. I've done this by rimcrazy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I use to radiate parts for Motorola back when I worked for the Military Electronics group. We use to use the Gamma cell over at ASU. We put in a cockroach one Friday and came back Monday to check on it. Can't remember if it was the new gamma cell or the old one. The new one was around 20KRads/Min the old one was around 1KR/min. Either way, it was in the chamber for about 3 days or about 4320 mins. Bounded it got between 86Mega Rads or 4.3Mega Rads. It lived. There is little or no water in a cockroach so there is nothing to absorb the radiation. To Gamma radiation, they are immune. To be a correct experiment they would need to expose across a broad range of particles and radiation and not just Gamma.

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  18. Re:Why does the first post is *ALWAYS* funny? by snowgirl · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think it's faster to come up with something funny to say, rather than something profound.

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