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The Happiest Days of Our Lives

If you've ever read Wil Wheaton's blog (clevernickname to us), you know he's not afraid to put everything on the table. One of the things I've always admired about his writing is his willingness to talk about his kids. On the internet. With ... people. Despite the obvious problems that could cause, Wil has been sharing anecdotes about his adventures in parenting since the early days of WWDN. His newest book, The Happiest Days of Our Lives, talks about growing up geek and what it means to be a nerd and a father at the same time. Read on for my review. The Happiest Days of Our Lives author Wil Wheaton pages 136 publisher Monolith Press rating 8/10 reviewer Zonk ISBN 0974116017 summary Wil Wheaton's recollections of growing up, and parenting, as a nerd.

That the bones of the book's content comes directly from Wil's website shouldn't distract you. Whether you've been a reader all along (and might recognize some of these stories) or not, they've all been expanded and clarified for inclusion in the book. That clarification is something that comes across very strongly in Happiest Days, especially if you have read any of his previous work. Wil has put a great deal of work into the craft of writing over the past few years, and it shows. Some three years have passed since his sophomore effort in Just a Geek, and even more since Dancing Barefoot.

Where once it seemed as though Wil had something to prove in his writing - that he was over showbiz, that he was over Star Trek - Happiest Days is full of simple stories. The day he bought a Lando Calrissian action figure essentially by mistake, a simple outing for ice cream with his sons; they're everyday events but artfully told. In total he has about thirteen short tales in the chapbook-sized novel, ranging from just two pages long to a few dozen.

Some of his most evocative stories (and the reason this review is here) are all about Wil's growth as a nerdling. The most evocative for me was the chapter 'a portrait of the artist as a young geek', which details Wil's introduction to tabletop roleplaying. From his first brush with the infamous 'red box' D&D set at Christmas 1983, to his experience teaching his kids how to roll up characters under the 3.0 rulesset, the story reminds me (and may remind you) of a D6-laden past.

And really, that's what Wil makes this a book about. It's about his own past, his troubles, his triumphs, but in reality this is meant to be a book that reaches out to you as a reader. If you see something of yourself in the kid who agonized in the toy aisle, if you see something of yourself in the dad who argues with his kids over the radio station (and rocks out to 80s synth-pop), then the purpose of the Happiest Days has been fulfilled. Or at least, as I see it.

And, of course, if you like Wil's discussion of Star Trek there's some elements of that there as well. The difference, again, is that instead of pining for Trek itself, Wil reminisces about the impact Trek has had upon him. Great experiences talking like adults with Jonathan Frakes, the chance to speak to Ron Moore backstage at a con, and the recording of a documentary are what makes for stories from Wil in the here and now.

Probably the book's strongest element is also its biggest drawback. Wil's vicious editing and strong prose makes for an incredibly short book. The amount of story and emotion packed into the bare 136 pages is impressive. But ... it's still just 136 pages. And for $20, that seems a bit steep. For me, though, it was worth it to support an author that's been a pleasure to watch grow over the last several years. From blogger to published writer, Wil Wheaton's journey is laid out in miniature in the pages of Happiest Days. With the sour taste of Just a Geek washed out of his mouth, my hope is that we'll see more long-form work from Wheaton in the future. In the meantime this is a worthy 'sequel' to Dancing Barefoot, and well worth a look by fans of the well-placed word.

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149 comments

  1. Really very good by MrAndrews · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is definitely one of my favourite books of the year, if for no other reason than the simple familiarity of the writing. Reading it is like sitting in a pub with an especially expressive friend, listening to him tell you some crazy story about his past that you suspect must be embellished, but don't mind if it is. After a crazy day dealing with puffed-up psychopaths a few weeks ago, I read four chapters, and it's like the casual tone just evaporated all my tension. Wil sucks the pretension out of the air with his writing... it's just superb.

    The one thing I'm hoping for is a work of fiction next... I know it's an extra-daunting task, but I'm sure it'd kick ass.

    1. Re:Really very good by AmiNTT · · Score: 1

      I read the entire book in one sitting and have to say it is a great, quick read. I'll second the request to see some fiction from him. Well done, Wil.

    2. Re:Really very good by CleverNickName · · Score: 4, Informative

      The one thing I'm hoping for is a work of fiction next... I know it's an extra-daunting task, but I'm sure it'd kick ass.

      I don't know if it counts, but I did a story for the latest TOS manga from TokyoPop, and I'm currently working on a short story that I hope to release in the near future.

      (And thank you so much for your kind words about my book. I'm really happy you liked it.)

    3. Re:Really very good by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Wil sucks the pretension out of the air with his writing... it's just superb.

      Agreed, and the main reason I read him. Granted, the Trek/Linux topics he's interested help forge a connection for us /. geeks, but a decent writer is a decent writer.

      What I'm really waiting for is when he really decides to stretch his wings and starts writing outside his comfort zone. Any novels waiting to burst out, Will?

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    4. Re:Really very good by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      When I read the title of the article here on slashdot...I thought at first this had something to do with the Pink Floyd "The Wall" album....

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    5. Re:Really very good by angiek · · Score: 1

      I'll third the request for some fiction.

      What I have always liked about his stories is how they hit home with me, even ones that I can't completely identify with yet. (I have no kids so I can't say I know what it's like to rock out to 80s synth while they disparage my choice in music... but I will someday and will probably tell them to get off my proverbial lawn.) It's to the point where I almost tell the stories to other people like they're mine. "One time, in the late 70s, I was in KMart, and I bought a Lando action figure instead of saving money for a Millennium Falcon... No, wait, it was KMart in 1993 and I bought a ST:DS9 figure when I should have bought Data from TNG..."

      Wil's good people. It's a short book but worth it. And after reading his other stories about his family I love knowing who gave him his first D&D set. It's awesome.

    6. Re:Really very good by MrAndrews · · Score: 3, Interesting

      On the off chance you're still hanging around here (rather than, say, fighting with PayPal), I had a question for you: now that you've done fiction and non-fiction, which do you find more difficult to wrap your mind around? You seem to be very much at ease with writing about your real life, but I wonder if that's just a general skill that you're applying in a specific way.

      For me, I can't write about my life without collapsing into a puddle of trembling self-doubt, but I can make stuff up about invented people without breaking a sweat. I wonder if your talent in that area stems from being an actor, and being more comfortable "putting yourself out there".

      Very much looking forward to your short story! Good luck with the 300!

    7. Re:Really very good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Your the man, I really enjoyed it myself as well. Kicked by with a few cigars and enjoyed it..

      Cheers

    8. Re:Really very good by CleverNickName · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For me, I can't write about my life without collapsing into a puddle of trembling self-doubt, but I can make stuff up about invented people without breaking a sweat. I wonder if your talent in that area stems from being an actor, and being more comfortable "putting yourself out there".

      It's the exact opposite for me, or at least it has been to this point. When I write narrative non-fiction, I know the whole story arc and all the characters, because I've experienced it all firsthand already. All I do is try my best to recreate as vividly and simply as possible what's already happened. To be honest, though, I'm starting to get bored telling stories about my own life, and if I'm getting bored with it, the audience can't be far behind (if they haven't gotten there ahead of me.) So now it's time to focus on writing fiction, which is sort of like moving from the outfield to third base for me.

      Until recently, when I've sat down to write fiction, I've gotten tremendous performance anxiety about creating something almost entirely out of whole cloth. I've felt like, "Hey, look at me! I. Am. A. Writer. I. Am. Writing. Now." (That works if you say each word out loud and make exaggerated typing motions with your hands, and use a dumb guy voice.) I'm still not entirely over that self-consciousness, but it's getting easier with each attempt. I think the key for me (at least right now -- I'm still at that point where it's easy to level up quickly) is coming up with a beginning and an ending, and using a couple of characters I care about to tie them together. The real trick is not being afraid to suck, because it's easier to fix something that sucks than it is to fill a blank page.

    9. Re:Really very good by piratesyarr · · Score: 1

      Wow, I thought I was the only one. And in the town it was well known when they got home at night Their fat and psychopathic wives would thrash them within inches of their lives!

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      Small though it is, the human brain can be quite effective when used properly.
    10. Re:Really very good by thephotoman · · Score: 1

      Good, I'm not the only one who sees that title and mentally segues into "Another Brick in the Wall, Part 2", chanting, "We don't need no education!"

      Maybe I'm not crazy after all.

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      Haec merda tauri est. Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
    11. Re:Really very good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      I've felt like, "Hey, look at me! I. Am. A. Writer. I. Am. Writing. Now."


      In my head I just hear it as William Shatner saying it, and I know exactly what you mean.

    12. Re:Really very good by myth_of_sisyphus · · Score: 4, Informative

      WIl, I really enjoy your writing about being a father and a geek but I especially like the reviews of STTNG episodes on TV Squad.

      http://www.tvsquad.com/bloggers/wil-wheaton/

      The insider references are great, but the writing itself is hilarious. Rarely have I laughed more than when reading your one-liners and non-sequiturs. When are you going to do more of those?

    13. Re:Really very good by DeadDecoy · · Score: 1

      Ya, his keynote as PAX was great. It was amazing how he just connected with all the gamers in the crowd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEBu4RX-5N4 and dredged up some memories of my childhood to boot.

    14. Re:Really very good by beav007 · · Score: 2, Funny

      So now it's time to focus on writing fiction, which is sort of like moving from the outfield to third base for me.
      Nobody on Slashdot has ever moved to third base before. Maybe you should write about it...
    15. Re:Really very good by matt21811 · · Score: 1

      Wil,
      does it annoy you that you that Zonk posted a review of your book right when it cant be purchased?
        I mean 80,000 visitors who are exactly the kind of people who would enjoy your book are getting wasted by poor timing.

    16. Re:Really very good by PhotoGuy · · Score: 1

      This guy has a subtle wisdom, insight, and modesty, that makes me expect great things from him before long, probably along the lines of fiction writing. Another post summed it up pretty well, with the "don't hate the player, hate the game" aspect of Wesley Crusher. Wil played the character very well; the character just happened to be annoying to many (myself included).

      And I was guilty of associating the actor with the character; reading his stuff (primarly through /. links) makes me realize there's far more to the guy, and we should expect to see more cool things from him.

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      Love many, trust a few, do harm to none.
    17. Re:Really very good by Nitewing98 · · Score: 1

      If Wil himself replying to a review of his book on \. doesn't PROVE he's just like us, I don't know what does.

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      Nitewing '98

      Everything works...in theory.

    18. Re:Really very good by IainCartwright · · Score: 1
      I think you may be the renaissance nerd.

      We need to be able to tell the difference between what the PR industry thinks we are and what we really are.

    19. Re:Really very good by Lemmeoutada+Collecti · · Score: 1

      I have run into a similar problem, where I had a great idea for a beginning and ending but couldn't figure out how to link them. A friend of mine who writes frequently (fiction and non fiction) suggested something that helped me, so maybe you will find it useful.

      Get a close friend (or friends) who is good with listening, or one who does good role playing. Find a campfire story type setting that you both enjoy, and either tell him the story or role play it with him. (Substitute her for him as appropriate) Don't think about it as your book waiting to be written, but just take it like any campfire story or simple role playing game, and have fun with it. Immediately afterwards, write down anything good, high points of the story, character lines that made you laugh, anything from it that caught your attention. Oh, and if he is a she, don't waste an opportunity just to write things down, priorities are priorities.

      The basic idea is to put the concept into a different framework where it is disconnected from the writing and step back from the seriousness of it all. After all, elves, dwarves, scrolls of whatchamacallit, rings that rule, and much of the rest of fantasy and science fiction originally sounded like the drunk ramblings of someone at first.

      Oh, and moderate consumption is fine, as long as the ability to read, write, and converse in some common language is retained.

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      You can have it fast, accurate, or pretty. Pick any 2.
    20. Re:Really very good by zerkon · · Score: 1

      Hello. I'm William Shatner. And I'm. A Shaman.

  2. Can't buy it today by stoolpigeon · · Score: 3, Informative

    But the site says ordering will be back up by the 26th.
     
    Wil just sold through 300 signed hard cover copies and I guess the paperbacks will be available again in the next week or so.

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    It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
    1. Re:Can't buy it today by Jess+(geek-chick) · · Score: 2, Informative

      He was having issues with PayPal and had to suspend the softcover sales to get the process to work with the hardbacks. He has posted that once he gets the hardbacks shipped he will start up paperback sales again.

      I'm happy I am one of the 300!

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      If anyone needs me, I'll be in the Angry Dome.
    2. Re:Can't buy it today by flewp · · Score: 1

      I'm happy I am one of the 300! Liar. We all know none of the 300 survived the final arrow volleys.
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      WWJD.... for a Klondike bar?
  3. WW300! by originalucifer · · Score: 1

    I'm a 300! woohoooooooooo!

  4. what we really want to know ... by joeyspqr · · Score: 1

    is what Trek he thinks is best! c'mon, throw us a frickin' bone here!
    (full disclosure - i've voted about a dozen times for TOS - not that it's helped)

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    +1 fashionably cynical
  5. Not buying it. by CptPicard · · Score: 4, Funny

    Clearly, it is not possible to be a nerd and a father at the same time... the former should make the latter impossible.

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    1. Re:Not buying it. by Chosen+Reject · · Score: 1

      You are almost right but wrong. Being a nerd and a father are easy to do at the same time. The problem lies in being a nerd and fathering a child at the same time.

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      Stop Global Warming!
      Just say no to irreversible processes!
    2. Re:Not buying it. by Krinsath · · Score: 1

      Which he sidestepped, since they're his stepkids.

      However, just from reading his site and listening to him talk, he's their father all the same. Sounds like a pretty decent one too.

      Of course, if you listened to me I'm the most diligent worker ever and Slashdot is entirely work-related, but still...

    3. Re:Not buying it. by CptPicard · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the girl usually starts to get freaked out when you're trying to father a child and just HAVE TO do some kernel hacking on the side... :\

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      I want to play Free Market with a drowning Libertarian.
    4. Re:Not buying it. by markana · · Score: 1

      Do you have any idea how *long* it takes to do a full kernel build on some low-end boxes? There's more than enough time for other activities... :-)

    5. Re:Not buying it. by CptPicard · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but you still want to watch all the cool gcc output scrolling by as it makes you feel l33t, instead of staring into your girl's eyes, and the she is jealous that you're drooling your kernel build and getting all hard off your compiler optimization flags instead instead of her...

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      I want to play Free Market with a drowning Libertarian.
    6. Re:Not buying it. by bigdavex · · Score: 1

      Clearly, it is not possible to be a nerd and a father at the same time... the former should make the latter impossible.

      He must have used some kind of phasing.
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      -Dave
    7. Re:Not buying it. by CptPicard · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Hmm... so you are in some sort of a superposition of nerd and father until pregnancy test result is observed?

      Can't work that way either, would have to somehow get to the point of having a possibly positive result, no?

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      I want to play Free Market with a drowning Libertarian.
    8. Re:Not buying it. by niceone · · Score: 1

      Clearly, it is not possible to be a nerd and a father at the same time...

      Quite possible: sperm bank + database hacking + a bit of stalking.

    9. Re:Not buying it. by MochaMan · · Score: 1

      Man... the poor guy can't even get away from Picard on Slashdot!

    10. Re:Not buying it. by rbanffy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I concede it's funny, but it is also a horrible thing to say.

      As a father, I can tell you that, while you may sometimes get tired of your kids (kids _are_ noisy), there are no moments as precious as those when they are around.

      Even those rare moments when you got all the config values just right and, for the first time in months your wireless work flawlessly under WPA2, cannot compare.

    11. Re:Not buying it. by Lemmeoutada+Collecti · · Score: 1

      Just pipe the output of the GCC to a random Barry White song selector. You know what the compile is doing and you can put the output to a good multitask use.

      --

      You can have it fast, accurate, or pretty. Pick any 2.
    12. Re:Not buying it. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Put the monitor behind you. Then you can stare romantically into her eyes... and watch the reflection of the GCC output scroll by.

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      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    13. Re:Not buying it. by CptPicard · · Score: 1

      Apart from the fact that Slashdot is an unlikely place to get away from Picard, I must admit that you gave me some food for thought as to why me and my favourite fictional character are single and not parents...

      We all know Picard is a non-parent geek and doesn't like children... and this is probably because when the SO came up all bothered and tried to suggest there probably should be some little ones around, the standard "make it so" probably wasn't the best possible answer... so she did, and switched males as first thing...

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      I want to play Free Market with a drowning Libertarian.
  6. What "obvious problems"? by sseaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the things I've always admired about his writing is his willingness to talk about his kids. On the internet. With ... people. Despite the obvious problems that could cause, ... Am I missing something? What's so problematic about discussing your children on the internet? Everyone with kids does it.
    1. Re:What "obvious problems"? by mabinogi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was wondering exactly the same thing - I'm not sure why you got modded as flamebait for asking...

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    2. Re:What "obvious problems"? by unlametheweak · · Score: 1, Insightful

      One of the things I've always admired about his writing is his willingness to talk about his kids. On the internet. With ... people. Despite the obvious problems that could cause, ... Am I missing something? What's so problematic about discussing your children on the internet? Everyone with kids does it.


      Because the kids may not like that, either now or in the future. Although I do have a feeling that most parents would not want there children discussing them on the Internet. The idea that you can do something bad just because everybody else does it is a common belief, but that does not make it correct. I would rather have parents discussing how they can protect their children's privacy, rather than have them violate that privacy. Gossip is something that I have always frowned upon, especially when it is done by family members.
    3. Re:What "obvious problems"? by gambino21 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Probably many people are concerned about the privacy issues. Public information about your family could be used against you or your family by classmates, angry neighbors, etc. But I agree with you, and I'm not sure why you were modded down. I blog about my family, mostly for the enjoyment of my friends and relatives. I do think about what information I should or shouldn't share with the public, but in general I think if someone is out to get me for some reason, they probably aren't going to be helped that much by a blog. In fact it may even be a deterrent if they get to know me or my kids.

    4. Re:What "obvious problems"? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      talking about does not equal Gossip.

      Parents have always talked about there kids, this just happens to be a new medium.
      DO you thinking people raise kids in a bubble? do you think parent know everything about raising kids? How do you think parent get advice from more experienced parents?

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    5. Re:What "obvious problems"? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 0

      Because the kids may not like that, either now or in the future.

      So what? You must not be a parent.

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      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
    6. Re:What "obvious problems"? by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

      talking about does not equal Gossip. Gossip (from WordWeb):

      1 . Light informal conversation for social occasions
      2. A report (often malicious) about the behaviour of other people "the divorce caused much gossip"
      3. A person given to gossiping and divulging personal information about others

      Parents have always talked about there kids, this just happens to be a new medium. As I've said, popular behaviour does not make it right. (And yes BTW, I expected to be modded down for this rather unpopular statement). But sometimes things need to be said despite the popular consensus.

      DO you thinking people raise kids in a bubble? do you think parent know everything about raising kids? How do you think parent get advice from more experienced parents? Getting advice from people and gossiping are too different things. Getting advice from other parents is rather dubious unless they have a degree in Child Psychology or Early Childhood Education or something similar. If you are getting advice from somebody who believes it's OK to smack children around, for example, then you are probably getting advice from the wrong people.

      As for Wil's book, I shall not comment on it since I have not read it. So do not necessarily take this as a slight to the book. I was merely replying to the original statement.
    7. Re:What "obvious problems"? by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

      Because the kids may not like that, either now or in the future. So what? You must not be a parent.


      It is irrelevant whether I am a parent or not. One thing that should be obvious though is that I was a child, and I never liked it when my parents gossiped about me. I presume that you are making this statement because you are a parent who likes to gossip about their kids, or perhaps just hear gossip from other parents. It's normal for people who engage in bad behaviour to be defensive about their own actions.
    8. Re:What "obvious problems"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in fact, typically people with kids won't shut the hell up about them, online or otherwise...

    9. Re:What "obvious problems"? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      "Writing about" is not the same as "gossip". What makes you think it is?

      I write about my kids. Anything I write is a fair and accurate description that does not try to portray them in a poor light. If they dislike it now or later, that's their problem, not mine.

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      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
    10. Re:What "obvious problems"? by unlametheweak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Writing about" is not the same as "gossip". What makes you think it is? The medium is besides the point. It is all verbal communication. The outcome is the same. "Gossip" does not necessarily imply malicious intent, however it can invade people's privacy.

      I write about my kids. Anything I write is a fair and accurate description that does not try to portray them in a poor light. It's certainly good that you do not try to portray your kids in a bad light; however a writer's intentions may not always reflect the opinions of their children. For example, a person may not think that talking about a child's bowel movements may not be malicious, but that child may not think that is "fair" or appropriate. Talking about a child's romantic crushes or their love of some unpopular musical style may also not be in the child's best interests, however "fair" the author may think he / she is trying to be. These are just a couple of an infinite amount of examples I could use.

      If they dislike it now or later, that's their problem, not mine. I agree that it is their problem, and they will have to deal with it. That's also a rather callous way of thinking about your children. If you don't care about the feelings of your children then you shouldn't be a parent IMHO.

      I will state that if a person (whether it be you or Wil Wheaton) writes about their kids, then they should discuss this with their children first and get their permission. Otherwise it is just gossip, whether it be written or oral in nature. If one wants to talk about their kids while at the same time protecting their anonymity, then this would be acceptable to me.

      People should have etiquette and show respect for their children. In respects to the original poster:

      What's so problematic about discussing your children on the internet? Everyone with kids does it. I stand by what I have said all along, and I have answered the question (whether people agree or disagree with the answer). I hope I have elaborated appropriately on the premise that "Because the kids may not like that, either now or in the future." I certainly hope you do think about your children's feelings when you talk or write about them, and keep an open (and open-minded) dialogue with them.

    11. Re:What "obvious problems"? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Your points are not unreasonable but they sound a little close to the kinds of attitudes that are turning so many of our children into emotional cripples full of hollow self-esteem that will fall to pieces in the real world and end up living in their parents' basement until they are 40 because they don't know how to deal with competition or legitimate criticism, leave alone the kind of criticism you get in the Real World, especially in places like /.

      I don't need to get my children's permission to talk about them, whether it's with a neighbor or online, and far as feelings go, if my children do something bad or stupid, they _should_ feel bad, and when they do something good, they should feel good, and that's exactly the kind of feedback they get from me. And you know what's funny? When they recognize do something bad, they feel bad. When they recognize they do something good, they feel good. Guess what they're more likely to do?

      You see, my superior judgement as an adult takes precedence over their inferior judgement as children. They are going to have to trust me. They have no choice. And neither do you.

      Regardless of what I may or may not be doing right, they are turning out to have a strong moral grounding (e.g., recognizing what's right and wrong sometimes in ways they are beyond their ages), are all creative and funny, are making near straight A's in school, and when I come home from work, all 4 of them, ages 7 to 13 run out to welcome me home with hugs and cheers (well, at least when not wrapped up in a video game, which as we know turns kids into zombies).

      Finally, they are all welcome to make their own blogs and talk about me if they want... as long as what they say is true.

      And yes, I've made these comments without their permission. I hope CPS won't take them away.

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      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
    12. Re:What "obvious problems"? by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

      Real World

      First things first. This is the real world. Their is no alternate bizzaro universe to go to, no matter how much television you may watch. People who use "Real World" arguments do so because they don't have any rational arguments to make.

      Your points are not unreasonable but they sound a little close to the kinds of attitudes that are turning so many of our children into emotional cripples full of hollow self-esteem that will fall to pieces in the real world and end up living in their parents' basement until they are 40 because they don't know how to deal with competition or legitimate criticism, leave alone the kind of criticism you get in the Real World, especially in places like /.

      Having respect for somebody does not turn somebody into an "emotional cripple" who has "hollow self-esteem". I have noticed throughout my life (that children with bad parents) will either be dumb enough to grow up to be like their parents, or smart enough to reject them. As for my argument, it is just as pertinent for adults as it is with children. Adults can be asshats towards other adults as well. I do not expect people to change. I am merely pointing out bad behavior. If you choose to be rude that is your business. Unfortunately children do not have a choice of choosing their parents.

      I don't need to get my children's permission to talk about them, whether it's with a neighbor or online,

      True, you need NOBODY's permission to talk about your children. It is however disturbing that you seem to have a compulsion to talk about your children, whether it be with your neighbour or online.

      and far as feelings go, if my children do something bad or stupid, they _should_ feel bad, and when they do something good, they should feel good, and that's exactly the kind of feedback they get from me.

      If (you think) your children do something bad, then their is no need to publicize it to your neighbour's or online to the world. This is not only rude behavior but it is psychotic behaviour. Reference psychotic: lack of empathy and self-centredness.
      As for wanting your children to feel a certain way based on what you consider good or bad behaviour is also bizarre and manipulative. Playing mind games with your children's feelings is wrong.

      And you know what's funny? When they recognize do something bad, they feel bad. When they recognize they do something good, they feel good. Guess what they're more likely to do?

      Again, publicizing this "bad" and "good" behaviour to the world is just plain bizarre. I hope your children are intelligent enough to realize this. Though the sad thing is that children tend to grow up just as rude and psychotic as their parents. Yes parents are a major influence on their children, whether it be good or bad.

      You see, my superior judgment as an adult takes precedence over their inferior judgment as children. They are going to have to trust me. They have no choice. And neither do you.

      Your poor arguments in favour of rude behavior and disrespect for children prove that you do not have "superior judgment as an adult"

      They are going to have to trust me. They have no choice. And neither do you.

      This is only partially correct. Your children may not have a choice, but I do. You have proven yourself untrustworthy to me. I have no trust in you whatsoever.

      Regardless of what I may or may not be doing right, they are turning out to have a strong moral grounding (e.g., recognizing what's right and wrong sometimes in ways they are beyond their ages)

      Most people who talk about morals don't have any. Reference the Church and the State under GWB. Although hypocrisy is rampant.

      and when I come home from work, all 4 of them, ages 7 to 13 run out to welcome me home with hugs and cheers

      I'm wandering what would happen if they didn't do this. Don't bother answering, it's a rhet

    13. Re:What "obvious problems"? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      As for wanting your children to feel a certain way based on what you consider good or bad behaviour is also bizarre and manipulative. Playing mind games with your children's feelings is wrong.

      What mind games? What in the world are you talking about? Since when does "unconditional approval" equate to "respect". True respect to a child involves teaching right and wrong, not patting them on the head whether they are curing cancer or massacring a village.

      I've tried to be patient with you, but this statement shows me you are completely out of touch with reality. You sound like one of those liberal idiots (i.e., not all liberals are idiots, which is why I qualified it) who think children should be treated like miniature adults and left to make their own choices, whether they are good or they are stupid, and since children are, by definition, incapable of making good choices, they will inevitably do stupid things. If that weren't true, we would allow them to enter into binding contracts and other adult relationships.

      When my child does something stupid, I tell him he has done something stupid and why. Please note, before you jerk your knees and possibly pull a tendon, that this is not the same as calling the child stupid. That would be wrong. In fact, I constantly remind my children that they are very intelligent, because they are, and since they are I expect better of them. They appeciate this, and recognize that they can improve themselves. And you know what? Eventually that's exactly what happens. Believe it or not, there is right and there is wrong. Choices matter, and there is objective good and objective evil, something you don't seem to believe. The problem with our screwed up society is the we as often as not reward evil and ridicule good, which is why our society is going to hell (literally or figuratively depending on your point of view).

      Children should feel good about their inherent value as people, as all people should. However no one should feel good about doing wrong. If we hadn't forgotten and/or abandoned this simple tautology, we wouldn't be in such moral decline. I am not "manipulating" my kids like some kind of tormentor or experimenter, and the fact that you would draw that conclusion leads me to believe you have no moral center. I am teaching them the objective truths about life, and as a result, I intend that they grow up to be morally upstanding productive people... probably buying french fries or socks from people raised by the kind of parent you think I should be.

      You have completely misread many of my comments. I do not "publicize" everything my kids do. All I ever said was that I talk about them, and that it is bizarre, unrealistic, and in fact downright dangerous if everything I do as a parent results in good feeling from my children. That's how you raise an ego-centric idiot with no concept of other people and an unlimited sense of entitlement.

      I, like Wil Wheaton, do share things about them, mainly because they are interesting people and do things that impress, amaze, and inspire me, not because of my parenting, which I don't consider to be exceptional but because I have exposed them to good influences, moral, intellectual and artistic. You are really reading some completely bizarre ideas into what I am saying. In typical knee-jerk fashion you have passed judgement on me about something which, by your admission you have no expertise or experience in. Wow! You sound like one of our many bad liberal politicians who would micromanage our lives, claiming on one hand that morals don't exist all the while trying to force their very definite morals down my throat.

      For the record, I don't expect and greeting from my children except standard politeness. I expect them to behave according to societal norms, within reason. They run to me excitedly because they love me and enjoy being around me, as I them, and I know that because they say so. And you know what else? They have come to realize that when I do criticize them, sc

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    14. Re:What "obvious problems"? by unlametheweak · · Score: 1
      I will leave with one last post to this thread. You may have the last word if you like. I do disagree with many things you say, and find many of your comments inappropriate and unfair to say the least, so below I have listed my rebuttals.

      As for wanting your children to feel a certain way based on what you consider good or bad behaviour is also bizarre and manipulative. Playing mind games with your children's feelings is wrong.

      What mind games? What in the world are you talking about? Since when does "unconditional approval" equate to "respect". True respect to a child involves teaching right and wrong, not patting them on the head whether they are curing cancer or massacring a village.

      Expecting to get an emotional response from a child based on a psychological form of conditioning is IMHO playing mind games. It reminds me of some of my bosses at various jobs. Instead of just telling people to change what they are doing, they make people feel guilty. From your original post:

      and far as feelings go, if my children do something bad or stupid, they _should_ feel bad, and when they do something good, they should feel good

      Any respectable psychologist will tell you that children should have unconditional love. But I could only presume that you would think that any form of Social Science would be considered too "Liberal" for your belief system, and therefore devoid of consideration. I have NEVER said that children should have unconditional approval for any or all behaviour. You made that up.

      I've tried to be patient with you, but this statement shows me you are completely out of touch with reality. You sound like one of those liberal idiots (i.e., not all liberals are idiots, which is why I qualified it) who think children should be treated like miniature adults and left to make their own choices, whether they are good or they are stupid, and since children are, by definition, incapable of making good choices, they will inevitably do stupid things. If that weren't true, we would allow them to enter into binding contracts and other adult relationships.

      What you think I sound like is irrelevant.
      The more you talk (argue) the more your prejudices emerge. I have never said children should not have guidance or that they should do whatever they want. You are making this up and perverting the argument.

      children are, by definition, incapable of making good choices

      You are making things up as you go along. Children often make good choices, you alluded to this in your previous post. Of course children can also make bad choices as well. An intelligent guardian and mentor would certainly be beneficial, but good role models are often hard to come by. Being a parent in itself involves no inherent moral superiority.

      there is objective good and objective evil, something you don't seem to believe.

      I know something about good and evil, and that it is based on people's opinions, aside from that their is Nature, and the natural world does what it does without worrying about labels. This topic is more complex than you may think. I will not go there.

      no one should feel good about doing wrong.

      I agree.

      I am not "manipulating" my kids

      This may not be the case. Based on what you said in the previous post it sounded like it. One could presume that there would always be at least some form of manipulation in an authority / subordinate role (i.e. parent / child).

      I do not "publicize" everything my kids do. All I ever said was that I talk about them, ...

      I need not even bother to comment. Your words speak for themselves.

      and that it is bizarre, unrealistic, and in fact downright dangerous if everything I do as a parent results in good feeling from my children. That's how you raise an ego-centric idiot with no concept of other people and an unlimi

    15. Re:What "obvious problems"? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Your prejudices are likewise very obvious, and you cannot deny you reacted with great prejudice that what I had to say. You made as many or more incorrect assumptions about me as you claim I have of you, so I don't see how you can deny it.

      I continue to believe that you have little or no real world experience, or haven't learned from it.

      It seems having realized that I'm not the monster you first painted me as, you simply fell back on the last resort of the weak-minded: ad hominem attacks, by claiming out of the blue that my language skills and even my intellect are suspect. This is a tactic of the intellectually bankrupt or of someone "defending the indefensible". I'm not implying anything, just fact. I'm sorry you had to revert to such silliness. It only makes you look bad.

      With regard to feelings, here's a little truth that social "scientists", from the way you talk anyway, might not have figured out: People in general, and children in particular are not always rational. Very young children are more or less incapable of acting rationally. If you claim you can reason with a three-year-old on every occasion, you are either lying or have never tried to reason a three-year-old. In fact, the same could be said of a ten-year-old.

      You seem to agree that it is a parent's right and responsibility to bring up his child and teach him to live correctly, although not everything you say seems consistent with that. Nevertheless, I believe it and must take it as granted.

      Because the "real world", as I called it, is fraught with many dangers, it is necessary to teach your children things they may not, and in fact, will not understand. You do not have the luxury of waiting for them to figure it out by themselves because destruction, injury and even death are likely. A perfect example is teaching a child not to dash out into the road. A less dramatic, but no less important, example is knowing the importance of washing your hands. Another important but more abstract example is teaching children they must not take what is not theirs.

      If you are trying to teach someone something and he is not acting rationally, you cannot reason with him, ipso facto. Therefore, it is necessary to use other means to correct him. Other means are, in one form or another, reinforcement, either positive or negative. Positive reinforcement brings about good feelings, because it means the person receives something he likes, whether its something concrete like a physical reward or something abstract like praise. Negative reinforcement brings about bad feelings because it means the person receives something he doesn't like. Some guy named Skinner made a whole career out of stating this blindingly obvious point. I'm sure you've heard of him.

      When you reward someone for a behavior you get more of the desired behavior because people like to be rewarded. As the person is capable of being reasoned with, you can replace these more primitive incentives with actual reason, which of course necessitates a strong moral underpinning, which despite your claims to the contrary are not merely the product of opinion. Nature, as you state correctly, is not moral, but neither does nature have will nor intellect. Man, who does have will and intellect, is culpable for his actions and is therefore subject to morality. If you disagree with this, then you'd better be willing to disavow any worth in the entire edifice of civilization.

      Ultimately, you cannot teach someone anything without pointing out when he is wrong. Despite our most lofty aspirations of impartial rationality it is almost impossible to escape feeling bad when we are shown to be wrong, and I've never met a child who had achieved such rationality, nor an adult for that matter. Therefore it is impossible to teach someone, to correct someone, without positive or negative feelings. People are not machines, nor Vulcans. Feelings may be misleading, but they are not inherently bad, and in fact are the wellspring of reason, for what originally is

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  7. Re:Why do people like Wheaton? by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I still want to kick him in the nuts repeatedly.

    I did too, until I read some of his stuff. And then I learned that I just wanted to kick Wesley Crusher in the nuts repeatedly, and bore no ill will whatsoever to his doppleganger Wil Wheaton.

    Its not really Wil's fault he played the most annoying kid in Star Trek (and most other franchises for that matter). And if he hadn't done it someone else would have played the part, and we would have hated it just as much.

    In other words: blame Roddenberry and his writers for inflicting us with Wesley Crusher, not Wil Wheaton.

  8. Comparative economics? by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But ... it's still just 136 pages. And for $20, that seems a bit steep. I agree. But it's vaguely on-topic to point out that Wizards of the Coast regularly pawns off D&D sourcebooks shorter than 136 pages for more than $20 each.

    1. Re:Comparative economics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very vaguely and probably misleading. The costs and markets are entirely different.

    2. Re:Comparative economics? by east+coast · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The D&D books are reference guides. Their value can not be figured out using the same methods as normal reading material.

      Put it this way: if you buy Wil's book how many hours will you read and reread it for? On the other hand how many hours will you spend playing D&D off a set of books?

      It's like a Tangram set I bought at Barnes and Nobles a couple years ago... it was just a couple tiles of plastic and a 120 page book that I forked the money over for, it was the hours and hours of activity that I was paying for.

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    3. Re:Comparative economics? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      which is also horrible overpriced.

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    4. Re:Comparative economics? by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We may pay $30 or $40 for a meal that we finish in an hour and feel we've had a good deal, then pay $10 for a pen with which we will write for over a hundred hours and feel ripped off, then spend $20,000 on a wedding that lasts a day and feel it's well-spent, while thinking that is too much to spend on a car that we will use for 5 years.

      Value is not just a function of time of use.

    5. Re:Comparative economics? by east+coast · · Score: 1

      Value is not just a function of time of use.

      Not always no, but you're also mixing apples and oranges. Most people feel better with a 30 dollar meal over the 5 dollar deal-o-the-day at the local taco joint. Most people feel ripped off by a 10 dollar pen because a 45 cent Bic Clic Stic does the same thing and for most people is just as nice. A wedding is a once in a lifetime kind of event. People hate to skimp on those things.

      I'd mostly file your post under bad analogy but in someways you'd be correct. While I don't think that time of use is the only measure of value it certainly is a big one in a lot of cases.

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    6. Re:Comparative economics? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      No, of course value isn't just an equation of time spent, but if we compare $fruit, a clementine costing the same as an orange is not a good value.

      When buying books, I do look at the font size, spacing and page count, and where books otherwise appear equal in genre and style, I will tend to buy a longer book over a shorter one. If a book has relatively large print, large borders, large spacing and is less than 150 pages long, it will tend to lose out when competing for my money, unless the price is much lower too.

      As for Will Wheaton's views on growing up and parenthood, I honestly don't care enough about the subject to be interested in it, nor do I think being famous automatically makes someone an author one should read. (I have no idea why people rush out to buy books by TV personalities before the holiday season every year, but they do.) This is not saying anything about the quality of the book, since I haven't read it, and probably won't either. It may be quite good, for all I know, but it's not My Thing.

      Anyhow, I hope the book will satisfy its readers, and I wish Will good luck as a writer. Remember that the first million words are the hardest.

  9. Wait... wut?? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Funny

    Zonk can read?

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    1. Re:Wait... wut?? by gammygator · · Score: 1

      Reading is easy when you don't sweat comprehension.

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  10. Wesley Crusher gets the girl? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Always seemed too gawky to me.

  11. Re:How original by e2d2 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    hater

  12. Re:you played the annoying kid on Star Trek... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    it might be OT for a book review, but as far as underlining the problem with America's current philosophy - Thatcher/Reagan's "it's all about me!" - it's pretty much spot on. Wesley Crusher was pretty much the idealised '80s hero:
    1. It's about natural talent, not hard work - the elite can rest on their laurels;
    2. Use that talent to advance only yourself, as if you had a natural right to rise above the rest.

    Those living in America and under the age of 35 - and this is where it gets really depressing - haven't even experienced an alternative philosophy. No-one starves, almost everyone can buy something resembling a '70s supercomputer and put it in their back pocket, but spiritually, we're dead. We live for bits of metal and plastic; this is what technocracy has become. The greatest scientists were once almost always driven by Neoplatonism; read Newton, read Kepler, read Leibniz - this last undoubtedly the father of automation.

    Today, being mentally proficient means getting a cushy consultancy job for private industry or government (but not for the people) and raking in the $. This board is full of those very people, so of course I'm going to meet resistance - while the majority of the country suffers.
  13. Re:you played the annoying kid on Star Trek QWZX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No more did the Romans force their roads, buildings and civilization on the world Ah, an American public school education. If you want to give a genuine example of progressive western civilisation that included slavery, look to Ancient Greece for advances in mathematics, science, astronomy, etc. Or, moving East a little and for the cultural inspiration for Greek mathematical advance, to Egypt or Babylon.

    Rome, on the other hand, was about conquering and exploitation, and if it looked civilised, it was because it had the organisational skill to implement old, well-known technology. Sure, we have Boethius and the like to thank for preserving Greek work, but this was the age of the commentator.

    1,000 years of the dark ages Let me guess, your high school history lesson went: cavemen, Romans, Dark Ages thanks to Evil Christianity and that warmonger Mohammed, glorious Western Renaissance.... Your post reveals such a shallow dip in the Perian spring it embarrasses me to share a mother tongue with you.

    (Nice trollish use of QWZX to save the trouble of searching, though. :-)
  14. The best is yet to come by overshoot · · Score: 1
    Having kids is great.

    Having kids who've grown up to be people you like as well as love -- that utterly rocks.

    All things considered, the fifties so far have been the best times I can remember. I'm willing to wait for grandchildren, but only in the "do not open before Xmas" sense.

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  15. Interesting by orclevegam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I find it kind of sad to think of Wil reading through the comments on here. I'm sure as a regular to slashdot he's probably used to the trolling that goes on, but it's still got to be hard on him at some level to read some of this stuff. I for one hadn't heard about this book before now, but I think I'll go pickup a copy. It's always interesting to see a fellow geeks perspective on life, and Wil usually does a pretty good job of expressing that perspective.

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    1. Re:Interesting by Jackdaw+Rookery · · Score: 1

      I was wondering the same thing. On some level it has to have an effect but at the same time he's been around here a long while. He knows the /. crowd and I'm betting does a pretty good job at filtering it out from his reality. Well done on book 3 Wil. Was it harder or easier than the dreaded book 2 ...

    2. Re:Interesting by sukotto · · Score: 1

      We could amuse him with /.isms

      I, for one, welcome our new "Just an Overload"

      Picture Wil Wheaton with Natalie Portman and hot grits down his pants.

      etc.

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    3. Re:Interesting by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I find it kind of sad to think of Wil reading through the comments on here. I'm sure as a regular to slashdot he's probably used to the trolling that goes on, but it's still got to be hard on him at some level to read some of this stuff. I like to think that the guy who picked up a "Shut up, Welsey" button at a vendor booth and wore it for the duration of a Star Trek convention has figured out how to handle the bleating of Slashdot trolls. After all, not only is Wil something of a Slashdot regular - he is also responsible for one of the best meta geek posts in slashdot history. Who else would use Slashdot, and a rare public interview opportunity with a nerd culture icon, to have a pseudo-private conversation?
  16. Re:Honestly by raitchison · · Score: 1

    I can't recall seeing anything in the past few months. In any case I think that with WW you have a combination of someone with a lot of recognition that many many of us used to hate but then found out that he was very much like us. If you have wronged someone it's nice to be extra nice to them later.

    I suspect that if he had played a more mudane, more likable minor ST character (say Odo on DS9 or O'brien on TNG) he wouldn't be held in such high regard today.

    That said, I really like his work and can't think of any other ST actor I'd more like to hang out with.

  17. Re:Honestly by BlueMerle · · Score: 1
    Umm.... this is a thread reviewing a book He Wrote!

    Perhaps you'd care to have your book reviewed here also?

  18. oblig The Wall reference by Fissure_FS2 · · Score: 1

    After finishing the book, Wheaton reported that his children began singing about not needing "no education" and asking him to "leave them kids alone"

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  19. Re:Honestly by juuri · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know, because he is one of us?

    How many of the true slashdot long term readers, posters and contributors have had his experiences? While he may never have such artful tales to tell like the one time where Bill Joy asked me what my favourite text editor was (without me knowing who he was, thank goodness for knowing emacs was shit even back then) he has many tales that involve that whole scary black box of hollywood and the sycophants involved. More importantly he can spin a good tale about being a modern day grown up geek in America with kids. Where's the harm in enjoying that?

    Slashdot is as much about being a place for geeks as it is about rehashing the geeky news on a daily basis. Here's to you Goatboy (from Y irc circa 92? 93?) for continuing to be who you are even with far too many people watching and caring.

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  20. Re:Why do people like Wheaton? by originalucifer · · Score: 1

    grow up already. But to bring you up to speed, wil wheaton != wesley crusher. sheesh.

  21. Re:Honestly by Chyeld · · Score: 1

    You obviously haven't gotten a grasp on the whole supply and demand concept here. People like reading about him, therefore people post articles about him. This is news about nerds, what part of it wouldn't fit in the Slashdot topography?

  22. Re:Honestly by orclevegam · · Score: 1

    That said, I really like his work and can't think of any other ST actor I'd more like to hang out with.

    I don't know about that, Patrick Stewart really is an amazing actor. Of course Wil does have that whole geek thing going for him, so maybe he'd be more entertaining long run, but it would still be pretty cool to have a chance to chat with Patrick Stewart.
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  23. Re:Why do people like Wheaton? by sairen42 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Heh ... When I was a kid, I watched ST:TNG faithfully and had a massive crush on Wesley Crusher. Nerd girls...what can I say? We're our own breed. It's good to know Wheaton's doing well as an adult.

  24. Re:you played the annoying kid on Star Trek... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least our countrymen are getting exactly what they deserve: the number of people coming out on top is ever diminshing; eventually the remaining citizens will revolt.

    Yeah, some people worked hard, built themselves up to the top, and now they're going to get overthrown, exactly what they deserved.

    It's a shame nobody ever invented a "Protestant employment ethic" whereby the people who work hard actually do get to rise to the top, but a corporation's only got one CEO and you can't have a pyramid without there being less space at the top than at the bottom.

  25. Re:you played the annoying kid on Star Trek QWZX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    look to Ancient Greece for advances in mathematics, science, astronomy, etc. Or, moving East a little and for the cultural inspiration for Greek mathematical advance, to Egypt or Babylon.

    Typical anti-Roman babblings. Sure, the greeks get credit for some math and science (though, the Middle East is far overrated on those things), but the Romans took a bunch egghead ramblings and turned it into civil engineering. I don't think it can be argued that the Romans did more than anyone in history to bring civilization to the savage outlying countries.

    In fact, Rome was *this* close to creating modern society. They were very close to having working steam engines, which would have done the same thing as it did in the mid 1800s, and make slavery uneconomical.

    Dark Ages thanks to Evil Christianity and that warmonger Mohammed, glorious Western Renaissance

    Er, that's pretty much accurate. Nothing destroyed civilization like the rise of religion. It's pretty much held us back 1,000 or 2,000 years, depending on how you want to count it. Christianity had a big hand in causing Rome to fall, leading to a thousand years of chaos and misery. If Rome had been kept strong, eventually it would have led to modern society far sooner, and probably without the millstone of religion that still holds us back today.

  26. Re:Why do people like Wheaton? by vimh42 · · Score: 1

    In other words: blame Roddenberry and his writers for inflicting us with Wesley Crusher, not Wil Wheaton.

    Ahh, but STNG would not be what is was without the sum of its parts. For better or for worse, Wesley Crusher was a core element of the series even if he was only a minor character (no pun intended). Poor writers = Kobayashi Maru.

  27. Re:Honestly by raitchison · · Score: 1

    Yeah it would be great to spend an hour or an evening with Patrick Stewart or Brent Spiner or Michael Dorn but after you've heard the interesting stories I think that would dry up rather quickly. Wil is a Dad (Step-Dads count), a geek, a gamer, he's close to my age (he's a tad younger), I have WAY more in common with him as I suspect is the case with a whole lotta /.ers.

  28. I doubt he minds them by lmnfrs · · Score: 1

    I think anybody who's a regular on the Internet knows how silly and meaningless trolls are. As a regular slashdotter, I think he knows that the praise is much higher than the trolling is low. Most everything anti-Wil I've seen consists of pointless, poorly thought out sentences. But the complements are just as consistent: thoughtful appreciation of the warm, emotional relationships that are unique to his writing, yet instantly familiar to us.

  29. Dude, he played Wesley Crusher!!! by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Funny

    You think a few lame-o trolls on Slashdot are going to affect him? At one point in time he had almost all of nerddom hating him. Usenet groups dedicated to his destruction. People at cons screaming at him. In Klingon. You name it.

    Wil probably has thicker skin than a rhino at this point.

    That being said - I'm a fan. Of both Wil and Wesley. Suck it, haters.

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    rediculous.
    1. Re:Dude, he played Wesley Crusher!!! by orclevegam · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can talk in Klingon without screaming? Who knew.

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    2. Re:Dude, he played Wesley Crusher!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we can't help it that wil is a fucking cunt and a bitch. who gives a fuck anyway. he's going to be forgotten by all in a couple of years and people won't even both to use this book to wipe their asses with. fuck him, he's a shitball that should be ignored.

    3. Re:Dude, he played Wesley Crusher!!! by Torodung · · Score: 1

      Suck it, haters. You, sir, have a black belt in irony. I love that line. Can I steal it?

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    4. Re:Dude, he played Wesley Crusher!!! by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

      I hadn't really looked at it that way, but I suppose you're right. It is a little recursive, isn't it?

      Sure, what the hell. It's yours.

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      rediculous.
    5. Re:Dude, he played Wesley Crusher!!! by greenguy · · Score: 1

      I'll believe you when I see him post here and not get modded to +5... and then cheerfully keep posting.

      It could happen. I've seen it happen to Bruce Perens, The Linus, and one or two others. It may have even happened to RMS.

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    6. Re:Dude, he played Wesley Crusher!!! by Teacher's+Pet · · Score: 1

      wasn't there a wesley crusher newsgroup that wreaked havoc b/c of an excessively long name? Something like: ensign.wesley.crusher.must.die.die.die.die.die.die.die...

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    7. Re:Dude, he played Wesley Crusher!!! by biovoid · · Score: 1, Funny

      We can't help it that some AC is a fucking cunt and a bitch. Who gives a fuck anyway? He's going to be forgotten by all in a couple of minutes and people won't even bother to use his post to wipe their asses with. Fuck him, he's a shitball that should be ignored.

      There. Fixed that for you. (Although I can't believe I bothed to do so).

    8. Re:Dude, he played Wesley Crusher!!! by glindsey · · Score: 1

      I'd love to mod this Insightful.

  30. A Great Geek Read by Fricka · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I got my copy in the mail a few weeks ago, right before I left on a trip. When I got back I picked it up and then didn't put it down until I was done. It's a real thrill ride of a "whodunit". Ok, it's not but it IS very compelling reading.

    I enjoyed it immensely. Perhaps this was partly because I grew up in the town neighboring his so those stories had extra meaning to me. However, I think any geek will enjoy it, as someone else said in the comments, he's "one of us".

    My formal review is on my blog: http://www.offlinetshirts.com/blog/index.php/2007/11/20/book-review-happiest-days-of-our-lives/

    As a disclaimer, I must admit to having met Wil in person and to getting my copy for free (which was a very cool surprise).

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  31. Pink Floyd - The Happiest Days of Our Lives lyrics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Happiest Days of Our Lives - Pink Floyd

    When we grew up and went to school
    There were certain teachers who would
    Hurt the children any way they could
    By pouring their derision
    Upon anything we did
    And exposing every weakness
    However carefully hidden by the kids
    But in the town it was well known
    When they got home at night, their fat and
    Psycopathic wives would thrash them
    Within inches of their lives

  32. wil wheaton? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nothing but a bitch

  33. Jeebus! by monkeyboythom · · Score: 1

    Yes, Floyd came to mind as well. But if I hear one more story of how he slipped Ashley Judd the tongue...
    there will be some thrashings from me, too.

    1. Re:Jeebus! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      But if I hear one more story of how he slipped Ashley Judd the tongue...
      What, he worked in a deli, too?

      I hope he sliced it nice and lean.
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      You are welcome on my lawn.
  34. Re:Why do people like Wheaton? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other words: blame Roddenberry and his writers for inflicting us with Wesley Crusher, not Wil Wheaton.

    You couldn't possibly be blaming Eugene Wesley Roddenberry for completely ruining the series through some sort of bizarre egotistical wish-fulfillment, could you?

  35. Re:you played the annoying kid on Star Trek QWZX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, the greeks get credit for some math and science Some? Some? OK, let's look at mathematics. Begin with the legendary Thales of Miletus and Pythagoras; then, off the top of my head, in C5-4 BC we have Hippocrates of Chios, Menaechmus, Antiphon, Bryson, Epicharmus, Eudoxus; after that we have a formal study of knowledge and logic from S, P and A (for study of which we can look back to Parmenides and Zeno) - P founding the Academy, then A involved in the Museum and the Lyceum. By the Hellenistic period we are well in to practical applications, mathematicians and scientists having shaken off classical Platonism, giving us Archimedes, Eratosthenes, Diocles, Apollonius et al. Fast-forwarding, let's not forget the out-of-place Diophantus, whose work probably suggests a whole wad of non-extant knowledge around C3 AD (perhaps the Neopythagorean Nichomachus gives us a sense of continuity?). Our still-useful reference today, of course, is Euclid, but he was done by c. 300BC, and certainly not the first Elements (consider Proclus recounts summarising Eudemus' History).

    the Romans took a bunch egghead ramblings and turned it into civil engineering Yes, that's right, my little fasces-wieling lictor. The basis of Western philosophy, evolution of proof from diknume through exhaustion, the first axiomatic reference, the first historical studies - all "egghead ramblings". As for civil engineering, almost all the above occurred after the construction of the Parthenon, and well after the Egyptian Pyramids. In the early second millennium BC we have scribes discussing their function - as numerate administrators of city states: architects, engineers, military and economic planners. Sure, in the luxury of the Nile and protected by the desert, Egyptians didn't have much motivation to behave as exploitative, expansive Romans, but they sure as hell knew how to apply simple mathematics to engineering projects a good couple of millennia before Rome.

    Rome was *this* close to creating modern society. They were very close to having working steam engines Steam, eh.. shame Heron was born into the recently conquered Alexandria, wouldn't you say?

    Christianity had a big hand in causing Rome to fall, leading to a thousand years of chaos and misery. Oh please, not the schoolboy "and thanks to Christianity, Rome fell" line. Please state what you're actually trying to say - is it Christian philosophy that causes empires to fall? (In which case, do you "blame" Muslim philosophy for causing the rise of the Islamic empire?) Are you attributing Rome's fall to the rise of people united by Christian faith? Are you saying that if people kept to a religious devotion to their Emperor, rather than to a deity, your version of civilisation would have remained?

    If Rome had been kept strong, eventually it would have led to modern society far sooner, and probably without the millstone of religion that still holds us back today. Again, Rome was fascist. It followed many of the principles of organised religion, but treating a man rather than other-worldly as god. If you want, I can give you some C20 examples of what happens when you have an advanced society created in this image.

    Rapid technological advance (which really wasn't happening anyway) instead of the fall of Rome, without a corresponding social advance - the Renaissance was mostly about looking back to Greece, thank fuck, not Rome - would have been horrible. A fascist technocracy is exactly where we're heading now, because we've shaken off Neohumanist principles; and very few will benefit from it. (Though quite a few readers to this site will - and, TBH, I could easily benefit from it also. But I'd rather die than make slaves of my fellow men.)
  36. Wil's ST:TNG Reviews by prakslash · · Score: 1

    If you were/are a fan of Star Trek: The Next Generation, go and read Wil's own TNG episode reviews at TV Squad.

    I guarantee you - you will almost die laughing.

  37. Re:you played the annoying kid on Star Trek QWZX by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Sure, in the luxury of the Nile and protected by the desert, Egyptians didn't have much motivation to behave as exploitative, expansive Romans, but they sure as hell knew how to apply simple mathematics to engineering projects a good couple of millennia before Rome.

    Of course people threw together some structures before Rome, but so what? The point is that Rome didn't just sit on all these advances, they brought them to the savages in the outlying areas. They spread civilization around the world, similar to what England did during their Empire years. You're talking about a few insulated societies who managed to naval-gaze for awhile, I'm talking about civilizing the world.

    Please state what you're actually trying to say - is it Christian philosophy that causes empires to fall?

    Where do you think the power went to once the Roman empire fell? Straight to the Roman Catholic church is where. They grabbed the power for themselves and undermined the Empire. The Church enslaved far more people than the Romans ever dreamed up -- they just did it in a more subtle way. "Put your faith in God, and honor him by building this church! And by giving us a tithe! And by the way, you better put your faith in God or we'll slaughter you." It's just slavery by a different method.

    Again, Rome was fascist.

    Of course they were! But they were on the path toward modern society. Technology would have brought about the evolution of that society away from a slave-based empire to a capitalistic one, just like the English kings eventually gave power to its business citizens -- because it made more money that way. It was still brutal, but it was moving in the direction of greater freedom.

    Instead, the anti-science Church plunged everybody back into darkness and superstition that lasted over a thousand years, and even then Galileo was put in jail for being a scientist. If Galileo had the same ideas in the Roman empire, he would not have been persecuted.

    It's undeniable that the fall of Rome was a travesty of history.

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    Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
  38. Re:"parenting" is a horrible word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is the US the only country inflicted with the evils of pop-psycho-babble?

    BTW, I'd say cut Wheaton some slack. The guy's paid his dues, pop-culturally-speaking.

    All this talk of pop makes me thirsty...

  39. Re:"parenting" is a horrible word by C.+Alan · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Man, this is Grammer Nazi'ing at a new level.

    Ha, I made Nazi a verb! I guess this will lead to another pointless post by yet another Grammer Nazi.

  40. Re:Why do people like Wheaton? by jafac · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When I was a kid, I watched ST:TNG faithfully and had a massive crush on Wesley Crusher. Nerd girls...what can I say?

    . . . I suspect this is the root of the ire coming from nerd guys. . . .

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    These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
  41. Re:you played the annoying kid on Star Trek QWZX by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

    Where do you think the power went to once the Roman empire fell?


    Largely, to the various peoples that broke free of the Roman state as it fell.

    Of course they were! But they were on the path toward modern society. Technology would have brought about the evolution of that society away from a slave-based empire to a capitalistic one, just like the English kings eventually gave power to its business citizens -- because it made more money that way. It was still brutal, but it was moving in the direction of greater freedom.


    Er, no. The Roman state was pretty consistently moving toward less freedom (particularly substantive political freedom) for its citizens from a point well before the fall of the Republic through the fall of the western Empire. Its true that toward the end of the western Empire, it was moving toward more inclusive citizenship as more and more of the "barbarians" were granted citizenship in exchange for military service because the Empire was unable to hold itself together, but that was an integral parts of the fall of the Empire, not a trend toward greater liberty that could have been sustained with the Empire standing.

    Technology would have brought about the evolution of that society away from a slave-based empire to a capitalistic one


    "Slave-based" and "capitalistic" aren't opposites, or even excluded. The American South prior to the Civil War had an economy both slave-based and capitalistic.

    Instead, the anti-science Church plunged everybody back into darkness and superstition that lasted over a thousand years


    No, the collapse of central authority and organized society and general war of all against all that accompanied it did that, inasmuch as it happened at all (and, actually, its not like the period from the fall of Rome to the Renaissance wasn't full of advances, including several agricultural and industrial revolutions which made the Renaissance possible; there is nothing like a period of over a thousand years of relative "darkness and superstition" except in popular mythology.)

    and even then Galileo was put in jail for being a scientist. If Galileo had the same ideas in the Roman empire, he would not have been persecuted.


    No, Galileo was put in jail for doing what was perceived as a direct and personal insult to the sitting Pope, his principal patron, in his writing. It wasn't his ideas (which he'd made public long before he got in trouble), it was putting the views associated with the current Pope, who supported him despite their disagreement, into the mouth of a figure portrayed as a buffoon that got him into trouble.

    Betraying a powerful political patron without securing another willing to protect you first was also not a wise move in the Roman Empire.

  42. Re:"parenting" is a horrible word by ZG-Rules · · Score: 1

    erm, I care not to correct your verbification of nouns, but I will tell you this:

    It's grammAr dammit, grammAAAAAAAAAr!

    (no, it's not Talk Like A Pirate day again, but it is the Queen's English and she spells it with an A, so you will too.)

    Love and Hugs,

    Spelling Nazi

  43. Re:you played the annoying kid on Star Trek QWZX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course people threw together some structures before Rome, but so what?

    Christ, man, pick up a translation of the Rhind papyrus or something, to see the scale at which people were planning engineering and resource allocation, and the numerical skill they possessed to handle such problems, even in ancient Egypt. This was not "throwing together". You're going to have to go e.g. megalithic Britain if you want a debate on whether structures were simply thrown together - consider the implications of Chace's arguments on understanding of geometry and use of a standard unit to organisation of society.

    The point is that Rome didn't just sit on all these advances, they brought them to the savages in the outlying areas.

    Where do I begin?

    1. Your use of "savages" seems to reflect your general inability to write in terms more advanced than an early C19 anthropology text.
    2. Applying advances mostly within your own country - philosophical, mathematical, scientific, and engineering - is not "sitting" on them.
    3. Taking over another country, treating its inhabitants as subordinates, and building your technology to that country, is not "bringing" the technology to them. It's using your technology on their land, and possibly making them operate it to your advantage. Even the British Empire, an order of magnitude more enlightened than Rome, often failed at "bringing" what it had to offer to natives - which is why the natives were either the same or worse off when Britain left than when Britain arrived.

    In your favour, at least:

    1. You pop in the "outlying areas" clause to remind us that Alexandria etc. were civilised and advanced in mathematics and science before Rome came trolling in. So even if you consider e.g. invasion of England as one step forward, in the places having seen real philosophical advancement it was two steps back.
    2. You're not sidestepping the point that Rome's skill wasn't in advancing technology. Rome's strength was excellent hierarchical organisation - if I were a middle manager, a Dilbert PHB, I'd look to Rome for my inspiration.

    To look at the correct way to bring technology to "savages" for their benefit we turn to the Renaissance. Consider the Neohumanist Robert Recorde, whose vernacular, easy-to-digest volumes indicated quite clearly their purposes in the Prefaces - to provide tools for the tradesman and the navigator; to enable laws to be more fairly applied; to replace appeal to authority with appeal to logic. He brought technology to the burgeoning merchant class not by conquering a country but by simply writing compendia of knowledge in his native language and making the knowledge available in books at a reasonable price!

    The Church enslaved far more people than the Romans ever dreamed up -- they just did it in a more subtle way. "Put your faith in God, and honor him by building this church! And by giving us a tithe! And by the way, you better put your faith in God or we'll slaughter you." It's just slavery by a different method.

    The American Government enslaves far more people than the C10 Catholic Church ever deramed up -- they just did it in a more subtle way. "Put your faith in GWB, and honour him by making this Pledge of Allegiance! And pay your taxes! And by the way, you better cough up and not speak too harshly against us or we'll lock you up and take away your property." [yes, at least we've moved beyond instant death for dissenters :-)] It's just slavery by a different method.

    The Great Leader/King/President/whatever will always be a vicious megalomaniac and will always make you pay tithes at knife/gunpoint. He hasn't wrestled more control from you because he can't, not because he thinks it's more profitable to give you freedom. He requires sufficient popular support or he will be overthrown. And, as Recorde recognised, the best way to keep the population sufficiently sus

  44. Re:"parenting" is a horrible word by martinX · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't you just hate people who verbify nouns?

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    When they came for the communists, I said "He's next door. Take him away. Goddam commies."
  45. Re:you played the annoying kid on Star Trek QWZX by mrbooze · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Er, that's pretty much accurate. Nothing destroyed civilization like the rise of religion.

    Ooh, please educate me more on this "Rise of religion". I'd love to know more about the thousands of years of human history before religion existed. I always thought religious beliefs arose at the latest around the time we advanced from bands to tribes, but apparently religion didn't arise until christianity!

    Hell, I'd even been led to believe that the Romans were a very religious culture themselves, but I guess those "Roman gods" I heard about must have been referring to something else.

  46. Re:Blog viewers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're going to troll with your copy and paste then could you at least make sure your website works before spamming it over the internets!

  47. Re:"parenting" is a horrible word by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

    The GP might want to learn more about the English language and its gerund thingy. That's right, "thingy" isn't a word either. Suck on it GP.

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    I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
  48. Re:How original by dotancohen · · Score: 1

    It's mutual. You should have seen what Wil blogged about me.

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  49. regarding Klingon by CleverNickName · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can talk in Klingon without screaming?

    Well, you can, but nobody is going to understand you. And trust me, Klingon is not a language where you want to risk being misunderstood.

    1. Re:regarding Klingon by Psmylie · · Score: 1

      Klingon is also the only language where you can scream "Your mother wears combat boots!" and not automatically offend someone.

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    2. Re:regarding Klingon by Xaedalus · · Score: 1

      hmmm... methinks being cut in half by a thrill-crazy alien adrenaline junkie in dreadlocks and leather because I failed to scream my request for directions to the bathroom at an appropriate ear-splitting decibel is just a really bad way to die. I can picture this happening at multiple Star Trek cons... and still somehow we nerds manage to procreate. Sometimes I think the actors are more entertained by us, than we are by them... especially at these cons. I grok thee, Wil Wheaton.

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    3. Re:regarding Klingon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Klingon is also the only language where you can scream "Your mother wears combat boots!" and not automatically offend someone.

      Don't forget Hebrew.
    4. Re:regarding Klingon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oddly enough it has the same admiration when spoken in German.

    5. Re:regarding Klingon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stfu cheese dick

  50. Re:"parenting" is a horrible word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The beauty of English is that it's an evolving language, the nature of words, their meanings and context are changing with time. Sure maybe once upon a time Parenting wasn't a verb, but we (those who speak English) are changing it's meaning and adding new words and definitions. For example: Decimate... no longer means to remove just one in ten, but is more often used to mean destroyed or devastated (and we all know its new meaning!) I had an English teacher who would give us detention if we said the "kid" or "kids" and not use the "proper word" Children... English evolves and adapts... Get used to it.

  51. D6? Oh please. by Azari · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the story reminds me (and may remind you) of a D6-laden past

    D6?? I associate D6 with Monopoly and Steve Jackson & Ian Livingstone Fighting Fantasy books, not D&D. I think I still have my d20 (if I can still call it that without getting permission from Hasbro ;P) from my first edition of D&D.

    ...+1 Pedantic nerd?

    1. Re:D6? Oh please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give the guy a break. He also referred to the red box basic set as "infamous". Those of us who remember the original box set for DnD laughs at these kinds of people as n00bs.

      He's an obvious Johny Come Lately.

  52. Re:"parenting" is a horrible word by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

    Yeah - verbing weirds grammar.

  53. Re:Why do people like Wheaton? by fferret · · Score: 1

    I take exception to this! The most annoying kid in TNG was that little brat Worf had!

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  54. Re:Why do people like Wheaton? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    Actually, I hate his character in "Stand By Me."

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    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
  55. Geez, that was 20 years ago by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    The dude is in his mid-30's now, not some goofy teenager.

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    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
  56. All this is good, but never forget: He's no ordinary nerd.

    Ordinary nerds don't get paid to make out with Ashley Judd.

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    (-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
  57. Verbing by DragonHawk · · Score: 1

    Don't you just hate people who verbify nouns?

    "It's not the verbing that weirds language, it's the renounification." -- Unknown

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  58. OMFG I'll never get laid again by sm62704 · · Score: 1

    One of the things I've always admired about his writing is his willingness to talk about his kids

    Damn, and I thought I was in trouble a few years ago when K5's Rusty put me on his watch list. My reaction was "Holy cow! I'm on Rusty's watchlist! Now I'll never be able to get laid

    But here I am with Zonk saying this and ... look, Zonk, if you like my stuff, please don't tell anybody! At least... oh hell, CmdrTaco is next, I just know it =(

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  59. Re:Blog viewers by cheapestbloghost · · Score: 0
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  60. Re:you played the annoying kid on Star Trek QWZX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always thought religious beliefs arose at the latest around the time we advanced from bands to tribes, but apparently religion didn't arise until christianity!

    There was religion, but Christianity was the first "big religion" that controlled vast swaths of the world, and was willing to use genocidal tactics to spread itself.

  61. Re:How original by e2d2 · · Score: 1

    Oh, apologies then. Didn't know it was like that.