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Technology Innovation Areas For 2025

Kyle Spector writes "A global futurist research firm convened an expert panel to forecast the major areas and potential advances in technology innovation through the year 2025. This blog entry contains the full list of 12 areas and some details about each, including personalized medicine, distributed energy, pervasive computing, and nanomaterials."

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  1. I know the first two! by stormguard2099 · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Penis enlargement
    2. Hair regeneration

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    1. Re:I know the first two! by laejoh · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'm already lobbying the Ubuntu release team to name one of their next releases 'Hairy Hardon!'

    2. Re:I know the first two! by jo42 · · Score: 1

      "Great Goatse" has a better ring to it...

    3. Re:I know the first two! by Xichekolas · · Score: 1

      I'm a personal fan of Hungry Hippo.

      Bonus points if they break convention and through in a second 'Hungry'

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    4. Re:I know the first two! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, those are way down the list. The top two are p3n1s enlargement and ha|r regeneration.

  2. consultants ? by polar+red · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The site reads a bit like the site of a hot-air factury.
    from their front-page 'Social Technologies is a global research and consulting firm specializing in the integration of foresight, strategy, and innovation.' djeezes.

    On energy, they say nothing about renewable energy like solar or wind, while it's clear even to me that solar will take a very big part of the production in the next years.

    transportation : 'personal transportation coordinated through wireless computer networks,' I think they're spot-on. In 2025, nobody will be allowed to steer vehicles anymore. (currently there are more deaths per year on the road than you wanna know)

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    1. Re:consultants ? by Slashidiot · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, they don't name renewable energy as such, but when they refer to "Distributed energy", they are clearly meaning solar and wind (and others), as one of the things about those energy sources is that it's hard to create a big central that produces most of the energy needed, but it's easy to have bits of electricity generation here and there, saving in line losses.

      About in 2025 nobody steering any vehicles anymore, I'm still waiting for my year 2000 flying car, good luck with your self steered 2025 car. Truth is, we are still VERY far from having those type of cars, and will probably never happen. What will happen (and is already happening) is that sensors and electronics will make driving far easier. For example, on the latest models of BMW, you have cruise control that keeps safety distance, on screen radar that let you see position of objects when parking, the steering wheel vibrates if you are on cruise control and go out of your lane, and many more cute things like those.

      But for the moment we are quite far from letting the car drive itself, as it's really difficult to control all variables and preview all unexpected things that could go wrong. I'm not saying a human will do them better than a computer, but when the self steered car appears, it'd better be 100% safe, as people don't like to put their lives on a computer's hands.

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    2. Re:consultants ? by polar+red · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Distributed energy" I have to see it first before i believe electricty companies giving up their grip on our b@lls. I would like to be in control of my own power instead of paying a monthly bill ... give me those advanced batteries !
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    3. Re:consultants ? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1, Funny

      good luck with your self steered 2025 car.

      I want to know how he plans to make my bicycle steer itself in 2025.

    4. Re:consultants ? by polar+red · · Score: 1

      The other issue is that you couldn't speed anymore. Games are played on a computer, not on the road.

      Most driving is done because it is fun. errr ... are you living in the same world as me ? Going 30 on the highway is *not* fun.
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    5. Re:consultants ? by oliverthered · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most driving is done because:
      It costs less than the cost of public transport.
      Goes at exactly the time you want it to
      Allows you to take lots of luggage
      Is often quicker (especially when companired to busses)
      and goes from your house and travels very close to the location you want to be at.
      You don't have to stand or sit next to someone you don't want to
      runs through the night.

      Until public transport can do all that it's never going to catch on.

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    6. Re:consultants ? by tehcyder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Until public transport can do all that it's never going to catch on.
      It caught on a long time ago outside the US, you know.
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    7. Re:consultants ? by RRR111 · · Score: 1

      That's already here. You can put in a grid-tied wind/solar/whatever power source at your house. You deliver electricity back to the grid when you're not using it, and they pay you. It's just that right now, IIRC, your break-even is something like 10-15 years out, so mostly only people driven by "survivalist" thinking are into it. I have to figure this article is indicating that it will become more cost effective.

    8. Re:consultants ? by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      I live in the UK thanks.

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    9. Re:consultants ? by clickety6 · · Score: 1

      but when the self steered car appears, it'd better be 100% safe, as people don't like to put their lives on a computer's hands.

      But we've had autopilots on planes and ships for a long time now and people seem quite happy to put their lives in the computer's hands in these cases...

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    10. Re:consultants ? by OldBus · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'd agree with most of this, expanding 'runs through the night' to 'runs where it is impossible to use public transport'.

      However, I'm not sure about 'It costs less than the cost of public transport'. If you already have a car/automobile then there is a good chance that a given journey will be cheaper than public transport - especially if more than one person is making the journey. However, my experience in the UK suggests that if you book plane/train far enough in advance you can often get prices cheaper than a car journey (especially considering fuel prices over here.)

      If you don't need a car, then doing without one entirely is almost certainly going to be cheaper. I don't have a car and spend probably 600 to 800 GB pounds a year on public transport (excluding any long distance holiday flights for which I wouldn't use a car). Given that I couldn't repair a car myself, I doubt that I could run a car for this (when you include fuel, wear and tear, insurance, tax, MOT, depreciation, interest on a loan etc).

    11. Re:consultants ? by oliverthered · · Score: 1

      Paying in advance only works for long journeys that you know your going to be making in the future, sure some people will take public transport, many people will fly (which isn't public transport) because it's faster and about the same price when booked in advanced and some people will take public transport because they don't like driving long distance so this is one place where public transport can win (but often doesn't because of the other points)

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    12. Re:consultants ? by kamapuaa · · Score: 1
      Obviously it depends on the situation. I live in a city and the subway station is right around the corner. It goes where I want it to, and it's cheaper (and usually faster, traffic here can be bad) than taking a car. Subways come every few minutes so waiting isn't really an issue.

      Don't know how cars are cheaper. Maybe if you're only considering gas and live in an area with no traffic or stoplights, but I also don't have to pay for a parking spot where I live, parking when I go out, insurance, maintenance, licensing fees, or the considerable cost of buying a car.

      For me, not having to worry about a car is a big advantage, anyway I'd rather chill on the subway than have to drive. I like that I can go out and have a few drinks and not worry about drunk driving, or drunk drivers for that matter. I also like the smug sense of superiority from not contributing as much CO2 into the atmosphere.

      Yeah if you live in the middle of fucking nowhere, taking the bus can be a pain.

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    13. Re:consultants ? by rs79 · · Score: 1

      " On energy, they say nothing about renewable energy like solar or wind, while it's clear even to me that solar will take a very big part of the production in the next years. "

      Agreed. Their big deal ? Batteries. Never mind there's been no advances in them since the Li ion cell a decade ago or that there were more 2 recent breakthroughs in solar cells this past year covered on this site.

      You want a real energy prediction? People in rural areas will continue to dump their oil furnaces in favour of wood. Wind turbines are on the increase as are microhydro installations with a paddle wheel driving a car alternator. Commercial wind becomes viable, more homes adopt wind than solar until the efficiency is there.

      Oil will rise.

      Somewhwere on the net is a well illustrated article about a gut that used the very vey powerful magnets in scsi drives to build a 5 KW wind turbine from scratch that used an airplane propellor. I can't find it and would kill to see it again.

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    14. Re:consultants ? by StarfishOne · · Score: 1
    15. Re:consultants ? by daem0n1x · · Score: 1

      At least here in Europe, people can install electricity generators powered by renewable sources and sell the surplus to the company. Isn't the same happening in the US?

    16. Re:consultants ? by jamiethehutt · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure you have an acurate view of public transport...

      It costs less than the cost of public transport.
      Maybe in the US but in the UK it's far cheaper. Insurance for me is about £500 (US$1000) a year alone.

      Goes at exactly the time you want it to
      Most buses I get are every 10 or 15 minutes, we even have funky LED screens in the stops telling us how long it will be 'till the next bus. So not exactly but pretty close..

      Allows you to take lots of luggage
      Just how much luggage do you need? I can easily carry all my university books and a weeks clothing...

      Is often quicker (especially when companired to busses)
      Trains are much faster than cars, it takes 25 minutes to travel from Inverurie (my parents town) to Aberdeen (where I live) by train but 40 by car. And thanks to bus lanes and tracking devices in the buses that cause traffic lights to change for them buses are just as fast as cars, faster in traffic.

      and goes from your house and travels very close to the location you want to be at.
      Fairly correct, although I can get a bus 10 minutes walk from my house to 10 minutes walk from any where I want to go, worst case. I have a bus stop a literally You don't have to stand or sit next to someone you don't want to
      I can't say I've ever had a problem with that... Maybe I'm not as stuck up as other people...

      runs through the night.
      From 6-1 and then there are plenty taxis after that.

      Public transport has advantages too:
      It's lots cheaper, I just had to say that again...
      You can't read a book or snooze while driving.
      You can't drive while drunk.
      You never need to worry about parking.
      You don't get stuck in traffic.
      Your saving the planet!

    17. Re:consultants ? by bodan · · Score: 1

      And it caught on very well in at least some parts of the UK. I agree that not _everywhere_, and most kinds of public transport aren't well suited to many common situations, but it can work very well. It doesn't have to replace all uses of cars, just many of them.

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    18. Re:consultants ? by siufish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It costs less than the cost of public transport.

      I think it depends on who you are and where you live. For example, if you're a good American living in New York, and you go out and buy a 2008 Ford F-250, you'll spend about $46,000 in 5 years. That gives you ~$9,000 each year (forget time value and all that for the moment). Compare that with getting the 30-day unlimited ride MetroCard for $76 ($38 for reduced fare), it costs only ~$900 a year. You have ~$8,000 left to take a plane or taxi or rent a car to go wherever subway or buses don't go.

    19. Re:consultants ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of driving is done for pure enjoyment too. So perhaps they should give everyone a bus?

    20. Re:consultants ? by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 1
      But we've had autopilots on planes and ships for a long time now and people seem quite happy to put their lives in the computer's hands in these cases...

      That's 'cause there's always been pilots in the cabin and on the bridge to take over if something comes up that the limited autopilot can't handle and because there aren't many planes or ships around them when the autopilots are on.

      Autopilots in cars would have to navigate through much denser traffic. They'd also have to be much more reliable because the failure mode for an automated system would (hopefully) be manual mode. And the very last thing that you want on an automated freeway is a driver who is free to go where ever he wanted to.

    21. Re:consultants ? by superflippy · · Score: 1

      And in the small town I live in, most driving is done because it is the only way to get from point A to point B. The existing civic infrastructure was built to accommodate people, horses, and cars in a small area of downtown. Everywhere else, it was only built to accommodate cars. Our town has no public transportation, and most of the residential areas don't even have sidewalks.

      My town is not unique in the U.S. In many places, everything that's been built during the last 30 years has been designed with the assumption that people have cars, and that's how they get from place to place. You can offer them buses instead of cars, but they'll still have to drive to get to the bus stop (or else walk on the narrow shoulder of a street next to 35mph traffic), which kind of defeats the purpose. Retrofitting any other kind of alternative transportation (sidewalks, light rail, bike lanes) will be expensive and meet a great deal of political resistance.

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    22. Re:consultants ? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      If you already have a car/automobile then there is a good chance that a given journey will be cheaper than public transport - especially if more than one person is making the journey. However, my experience in the UK suggests that if you book plane/train far enough in advance you can often get prices cheaper than a car journey
      Except you still need a car to get to the train station or airport in the first place. And this is the UK, where you're lucky if the trains run at all, and you need to remortgage your house to buy a ticket unless you book before you even know where you're going. And you need a car when you get to the destination airport/train station. Unless you want to rely on the brilliant British busses that get you to about 5% of the places you need to go, and never at the time you want to go there. And assuming you're not stabbed whilst waiting at the bus stop.
    23. Re:consultants ? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Most buses I get are every 10 or 15 minutes, we even have funky LED screens in the stops telling us how long it will be 'till the next bus. So not exactly but pretty close..
      If I want a bus I often have to wait for an hour, or even all day. Assuming the route hasn't been stealthily cancelled since the last time I had to use a bus.

      Just how much luggage do you need? I can easily carry all my university books and a weeks clothing...
      How do you transport a suitcase, a computer, and a week's shopping on the bus? And where do you leave it when you need to go somewhere?

      Trains are much faster than cars, it takes 25 minutes to travel from Inverurie (my parents town) to Aberdeen (where I live) by train but 40 by car.
      For most journeys it would take longer to get to the train station, then wait for the train, than the entire journey by car. 40 minutes? In the UK you're lucky if the train isn't 40 minutes late. I looked up that journey on the map, you should be able to make it in 20 minutes or less driving. Less than the time it would take to get to the train station, then find out the train has been delayed due to leaves on the line.

      And thanks to bus lanes and tracking devices in the buses that cause traffic lights to change for them buses are just as fast as cars, faster in traffic.
      I travel to work at an average of 60mph. Busses generally average 10mph, if you're lucky. Stopping every ten yards to pick up another dolescum waster, and accelerating slower than a milk float generally makes busses a very slow form of transporation.

      In fact, my journey home from work whilst 10 minutes by car takes over an hour by bus, mainly due to having to walk 2 miles to the bus stop, then having to wait half an hour for the hourly bus to turn up.

      You never need to worry about parking.
      Spending a few minutes finding a parking spot is better than walking several miles to and from the bus stop.

      You can't drive while drunk.
      Busses are finished by the time the pubs close, of course sometimes there might be a nightbus, but who is stupid enough to risk their own lives on one of them?

      You don't get stuck in traffic.
      I beg to differ, I remember once a bus taking well over an hour to transport me five miles due to heavy traffic. I rarely get stuck in traffic in my car.

      Your saving the planet!
      Yes, a double-decker bus with a couple of pensioners on the way to the post office is far less polluting than a small car...

      Also, cars have the advantage of not going on strike every time Bob Crow needs his ego stroked. And you can travel to destinations other than the ones that the bus companies have deemed economical. And you can store things in them, rather than carrying huge handfuls of bags everywhere. And there's no chewing gum on the seats, or feral children at the back swearing and smoking. And no fiddling for change and dealing with miserable bus drivers. Or waiting for an hour in the rain at a bus stop.
    24. Re:consultants ? by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      Me too, and if you've ever lived in a large city you must have wondered what all those trains and buses were doing.

      Admittedly, it's different in many parts of the countryside, where you get something like 2 buses a week and pretty much have to have a car, or else cycle everywhere...

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    25. Re:consultants ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Then I'm surprised you haven't noticed how many people use it over there.

    26. Re:consultants ? by Discordantus · · Score: 1
      WOW. Where the hell do you live, so I can stay away?

      I ride the bus in the California bay area; it is *nothing* like you've described. The buses are fast. Commuting by car takes me 35 minutes to over an hour (depending on traffic) while public transport gets me there reliably in 40 minutes.

      How do you transport a suitcase, a computer, and a week's shopping on the bus? And where do you leave it when you need to go somewhere? Honestly, when do you have all that stuff at once? A suitcase, a computer, and a week's shopping?!? Please. Be serious.

      Spending a few minutes finding a parking spot is better than walking several miles to and from the bus stop. Where I live, there is always a bus stop within a block of me. And since I don't get much exercise at work, the small amount of walking to the bus stop doesn't hurt.

      Regardless, There have been times when I searched for parking, and ended up having to park several blocks away. I have to say, if you are going into San Francisco, the best way is to take public transportation. Parking there is a bitch, and/or expensive (parking is often more expensive than getting there).

      Yes, a double-decker bus with a couple of pensioners on the way to the post office is far less polluting than a small car... How about a hydrogen fueled bus with thirty or so people on it?

      Yes, your arguments make sense for systems that use antique buses, which noone rides, but when people actually use the system, some pretty cool things can happen.

      Don't misread this post as saying that public transportation is perfect for everything. I still drive when I am doing major shopping, or when I'm not feeling well. Noone has implemented a good solution for these circumstances yet. But at least 90% of the time, public transportation is worthy of use.

    27. Re:consultants ? by p0tat03 · · Score: 1

      Where do you live, exactly? It sounds like you merely live in a town where public transit is woefully poor - which is not indicative of what public transit can do.

      I live in Toronto, Canada, and I can't be happier with my public transit. It's a heck of a lot cheaper (about $1200 yearly) than driving a car ($3K for insurance + $3K for gas + maintenance...), and I never have to wait longer than 6-7 minutes for a train. The company keeps the trains and buses fairly ordered (i.e. "feral" children get kicked off), so that's not a problem either. Smoking is most certainly not permitted. The entire system runs on pre-purchased tokens and passes, so there are few lineups (unless you're obstinate and want to pay by cash) to get into the system.

      A lot of the problem I see the anti-transit crowd is simply that they're too used to the suburban lifestyle of stuffing a caravan full of junk once every week. I go grocery shopping once every couple of days - this way I can change up my food to whatever I feel like cooking, as opposed to getting stuck with an industrial-sized box of Wheaties for the next gazillion years. Large items? I have a little luggage carrier that can carry anything that may be too heavy to haul by hand. I go shopping whenever I want, which limits the amount I have to carry each time. It's worked out marvelously, and I'd hate to go back to the suburban lifestyle of slinging a jillion bags across a huge parking lot, and then stumbling into the house with it later.

      Now, the only time I really do miss not having a car is when moving. I live light and it's not really worth it to get the movers, so I like to move for myself, and doing so via public transit is a pain. But really, it happens rarely enough that I'm not at all bothered - even renting a car is still cheaper than owning one for a whole year.

    28. Re:consultants ? by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      while it's clear even to me that solar will take a very big part of the production in the next years.

      Are you saying that you're an idiot, and even to idiots it's clear than solar will be big? I don't get why the "even to me" is there otherwise.

    29. Re:consultants ? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Where do you live, exactly? It sounds like you merely live in a town where public transit is woefully poor - which is not indicative of what public transit can do.
      Oh no, there are busses every ten minutes, which is great if you're going directly into or out of the town centre. Absolutely useless for getting anywhere else. And they don't run early in the morning or late at night, which as a shiftworker means busses are no use to me.

      There is a bus stop right outside where I live, and right outside where I work. Unfortuanately there are no busses going between said stops... And how exactly do I take a box of beer as well as a few bags of shopping on the bus?
    30. Re:consultants ? by operagost · · Score: 1

      There's also more garbage about carbon storage. How do you store carbon without producing more carbon? I don't see anything in the article about increasing our use of nuclear, solar, or wind power (which are non-chemical processes that don't emit carbon compounds)-- so are they going to invent a perpetual motion machine to squirrel away the carbon?

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    31. Re:consultants ? by operagost · · Score: 1

      Yes, but companies are not required to buy back the power in most states.

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    32. Re:consultants ? by InsertCleverUsername · · Score: 1

      About in 2025 nobody steering any vehicles anymore, I'm still waiting for my year 2000 flying car, good luck with your self steered 2025 car. Truth is, we are still VERY far from having those type of cars, and will probably never happen.
      Really?

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  3. They didn't mention... by mac1235 · · Score: 1

    Flying cars? I guess, like fusion power, it's 20 years away, not 12.

  4. Flying Car by kramulous · · Score: 1
    Where is my god damned flying car! Don't tell me I have to wait until I'm pulling a pension.

    Advanced transportation--In addition to the consideration of energy sources for transportation, the experts identified potentially significant breakthroughs in the management of private mobility, as well as advances in public transport. These include:
    personal transportation coordinated through wireless computer networks, information systems, and the Internet
    Sure, you think video is going to be responsible for brownouts. Can I travel from home to work for free but cost per homeward travel? Or will my upload be counted?
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    1. Re:Flying Car by Thanshin · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Flying Car by kramulous · · Score: 1

      You got me. That looks like it's gonna totally take off.

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  5. pfft...the 'predictions' are a joke, right? by djupedal · · Score: 4, Informative

    What a conjob
    "# With the initial mapping of the human genome, scientists are moving rapidly toward the following likely breakthroughs for gene-based products and services:
    * creation of an individual's genome map for a retail price of less than $1,000

    This was announced last week...no waiting. Come on down.

    1. Re:pfft...the 'predictions' are a joke, right? by lena_10326 · · Score: 1

      What a conjob
      Whatzitnow? There was no mention of airports or bathrooms in the article.

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    2. Re:pfft...the 'predictions' are a joke, right? by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 5, Funny

      Frankly, I think predictions #28: "Playstation 9 will sweep market", #31: "Blu-Ray 3D conquers adult entertainment market", #60: "President Chelsea Clinton announces new Green Initiative with husband Tommy Lee Gore", and #81: "Windows 2025 requires 16 TB PC memory and delivers faultless DRM with only 23 minute bootup time" are all too likely to come true. However, I'm rooting for #110, "RealDoll 2025 cooks, vacuums, and comes with MUTE button" and #111, "Android-Human marriage legalized".

    3. Re:pfft...the 'predictions' are a joke, right? by javilon · · Score: 1

      At this speed of improvement by 2015 an individual's genome will go for $100 and by 2025 by $10.

      So it looks like they are off by two orders of magnitude :-)

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    4. Re:pfft...the 'predictions' are a joke, right? by skoaldipper · · Score: 2, Funny

      What a cronjob
      # With the initial mapping of the human genome, scientists are moving rapidly toward the following likely breakthroughs for gene-based products and services:
      * 47 6 * * 7 root test -x /usr/bin/creation --individual --genome ~/.map && /usr/bin/sh retail-price -lt 1000 | exit
      Fixed it for you.
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    5. Re:pfft...the 'predictions' are a joke, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean by "a joke"?

      Don't you know that predictions made about future technology always come true? I mean, 640k of memory is enough for everyone, right?

    6. Re:pfft...the 'predictions' are a joke, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Judging from the Wired story, it appears that what's being offered isn't "an individual's genome map" but a person's genotype for a specific, limited list of traits. That's much easier than doing a complete genetic sequence, and less impressive. You could do a full sequence for someone, but why?

    7. Re:pfft...the 'predictions' are a joke, right? by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      #111 if this comes true, there will subsequently be a lot of rich men, recently divorced by their smart Android wives, who are 50% less rich than they were before... honestly why would you want to "Marry" an android? There's little enough benefit for men to getting married to a real woman (having a stable family is the only one you might hope for) much less an android woman who's going to be smarter than you and guaranteed to outlive you.

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    8. Re:pfft...the 'predictions' are a joke, right? by A+New+Normalcy · · Score: 1

      In the mid-1960s fluidics was heavily touted as promising for process control et cetera. A coupla of 'em will come true, many will be supplanted (blindsided) by new developments. ...Lorenzo Nanutechnology? Mork Calling Orson

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  6. Evolutions, not Revolutions by Aminion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The list is so general that it is bound to be accurate to a certain degree. Also, I seriously doubt that even the brightest and knowledgeable people can predict the really revolutionary stuff that's going to happen. I mean, back in 1989, how many (few?) people could envision the Internet in its current form? Certain societal advances are so revolutionary and disruptive that we cannot even begin to imagine them.

    Not that any of this means that the predicted future isn't amazing and great for mankind, of course. What's really encouraging is the focus on health and the environment. Advances in (bio) medicine, improved water purification, carbon management and engineered agriculture will arguably save and improve the lives of millions of human beings lessen mankind's impact on the environment. And it's all thanks to technology, and not /Modern society is evil!/We must go back to nature!/ thinking.

    1. Re:Evolutions, not Revolutions by stranger_to_himself · · Score: 1

      I mean, back in 1989, how many (few?) people could envision the Internet in its current form?

      My dad did apparently. As well as inventing the fax machine, graphical user interfaces, the European Economic Community, doormats, capitalism, speed cameras, and gravity. He just forgot to go to the patent office.

    2. Re:Evolutions, not Revolutions by Gr8Apes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Envisioning the internet as it is today back in 89 would most likely have predicted today's internet in about another 10 years. It's only the speed, not the internet itself, that would have been hard to predict. Most of the things done on the internet today already existed in some form back in 89, some far before then. Email (and IM,SMS), the Web (a combination of FTP repositories, WAIS, Archie, Gopher, and USENET with a better interface), streaming media/video conferencing. And as for P2P, the internet started with people sharing things off of their systems available to all, became somewhat centralized due to the explosion of end users, and now is moving back to a decentralized format again.

      The major surprise was the speed of cabling and price drops in hardware, making internet access ubiquitous.

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    3. Re:Evolutions, not Revolutions by maxume · · Score: 1

      Forums have a shinier interface than USENET, not a better one.

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    4. Re:Evolutions, not Revolutions by Indiana+Joe · · Score: 2, Informative

      I mean, back in 1989, how many (few?) people could envision the Internet in its current form?

      I've been on the Internet since 1989. It hasn't changed much. We just have prettier pictures now.

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    5. Re:Evolutions, not Revolutions by wurp · · Score: 1

      The list is so general that it is bound to be accurate to a certain degree. Also, I seriously doubt that even the brightest and knowledgeable people can predict the really revolutionary stuff that's going to happen. I mean, back in 1989, how many (few?) people could envision the Internet in its current form? Certain societal advances are so revolutionary and disruptive that we cannot even begin to imagine them.


      Well, Vernor Vinge did a pretty good job of predicting the modern internet ('cept that he threw in cyberspace) in True Names in 1981...
    6. Re:Evolutions, not Revolutions by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Of course it's a better interface. Usenet was shit. Complete anonymity, no accountability, no images, no formatting, no decent threading, no subforums or categories, nothing but spam and endless flamewars lasting literally years. Having to download a huge list of newsgroups, then 'subscribe', then sit there and wait for every message to download, only to see 4000 posts arguing the same shit over and over again, with posts quoted 50 deep so you have to scroll down five pages just to get to the actual post.

      Face it, newsgroups were a fucking wasteground.

    7. Re:Evolutions, not Revolutions by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Of course it's a better interface. Usenet was shit. Complete anonymity, no accountability, no images, no formatting, no decent threading, no subforums or categories, ... I can see lots of arguments about this. USENET itself offered no interfaces, only content. Major difference there. Much like RSS today, and in essence, an RSS feed is virtually identical to a USENET feed. Now the readers... I'm certain that readers have gotten better over time. There's some that look almost like, gasp... forums out on the web. DejaNews was a pretty decent web interface.

      • Complete anonymity: no more than exists in any forum from an end user perspective. I would argue that anonymity is good in many cases.
      • accountability: see previous - if you think there's some now, you need to share.
      • images: you never discovered alt.binaries, I guess.
      • formatting: USENET is content, it's the job of the reader to format it, much like HTML except much much simpler.
      • threading: this is a job of the reader - you obviously needed a better one.
      • subforums: alt.binaries.
      • categories: I'm not following you here - the hierarchal structure of USENET deals with categories and sub-forums in a pretty nice way.

      ...nothing but spam and endless flamewars lasting literally years. Having to download a huge list of newsgroups, then 'subscribe', then sit there and wait for every message to download, only to see 4000 posts arguing the same shit over and over again, with posts quoted 50 deep so you have to scroll down five pages just to get to the actual post.

      Face it, newsgroups were a fucking wasteground. Stripping out all your complaints about content, which is no better on any forum/newsgroup/etc unless it's moderated, your complaints boil down to "having to download a huge list of newsgroups" and having to "sit there and wait for every message to download" which are both client issues, not USENET issues.

      USENET is a nice alternate entity to websites. It's decentralized, which makes for some nice features over websites which can be controlled by various entities, including those that don't even own the websites (Chinese government or groups like the RIAA).
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    8. Re:Evolutions, not Revolutions by LionKimbro · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that serious scientists and futurists actually did see these things coming.

      The "flying car," the "underwater hotel," and so on-- that was largely corporate imagery. "The future" was the Zeitgeist, and each company talked about the future they were going to bring. So the car companies rolled out ads of flying cars, the hotel companies rolled out ads of underwater hotels, and so on. Hardly the work of serious futurists. Most corporations practice serious future analysis on the order of 6 months to 2 years out.

      Meanwhile, Vannevar Bush is writing "As We May Think," and Russian Cyberneticists are trying to figure out how to connect their computers together remotely. Somehow, it didn't make it to the posters.

      Delphi analysis has had some very powerful results; I'm sorry, I don't have the link right now. One was a survey in the 1970's, that predicted that there would be some limited tele-commuting via 2-way TV's whereabouts 1995, and that fiber optics would be used whereabouts 2000, because of the enormous efficiencies over copper. This was a Japanese government issued study conducted in the early 1970's, for the purpose of determining future directions and support for industry. Overall, my subjective sense of the report was that it was basically accurate, and very useful.

      I don't think there's any way to predict the future. But I do think that if you get smart people together, who are serious, let them talk with each other, and ask them what they think, that you can get some good ideas about trends and opportunities.

  7. they forgot about.... by buanzo · · Score: 1

    holodecks! direct-to-brain video upload! come on, the porn industry is always AHEAD of technology! DO SOMETHING CICCIOLINA!

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  8. Universal water thing... by Slashidiot · · Score: 3, Informative

    They are not saying anything too futuristic about the Universal water. What they say is almost here (with a good margin for improvement). However, what they don't say is that all those expensive cool ways to get water only matter to the first world, and not third world countries. We'll be lucky if they have a couple of drops of bleach to put on their drinking water to prevent waterborne diseases for 2025. That would save 1.8 million lives a year. Without any cool ways to get the water, just some basic water treatment for everybody.

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  9. For whom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of that technology will certainly make people's lives easier - that is, the proportion of people that will have access to it, which will be even smaller in 2025. Think of making that kind of technology available to a larger amount of humans as a technological advance in itself, as it increases the efficiency of technology in a way.

  10. 2025? Try 2008. by ThreeGigs · · Score: 3, Informative

    Every single one of the points mentioned in each of the 12 areas is something that's happening now. This is a 5 year outlook, not an 18 year one. I was hoping to read about the 'next big thing'. 18 years ago it was cell phones and the internet. 18 years before that it was space (satellite), computers and materials science. 18 years before that it was the transistor and rock and roll. Each one had radical, far flung implications that had revolutionary effects, not evolutionary ones.

    creation of an individual's genome map for a retail price of less than $1,000 - try $985
    advanced electric storage devices and batteries at all scales - lithium? Supercaps?
    very simple and inexpensive computing devices with integrated wireless telephone and Internet capabilities - www.nokia.com?
    the "semantic Web," - Google? Netflix?
    multiple variable and inexpensive sensors linked with computers - your door is ajar?
    ultra-fine filters (probably from nanotechnology) - semipermeable membranes? Reverse osmosis?
    affordable and effective carbon capture and storage technologies and systems for coal-burning power plants - riiiight... why not just re-burn the carbon after you capture it? Oh that's right, perpetual motion and all that.
    identification of specific genomes for desired growing and use qualities - you mean ones that Monsanto hasn't already patented?
    radio frequency tags for people and valuables - been shopping lately folks?
    onboard sensors and computers for smart vehicles - your door is... we know, we know
    advanced high-speed rail - presumably the high speed (400 km/h) rail we have now isn't advanced.

    This reads more like someone's current R&D budget.

    1. Re:2025? Try 2008. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      Let's consider some of your comments:

      advanced electric storage devices and batteries at all scales - lithium? Supercaps?

      Supercapacitors based on nanotechnology will be coming within the next 7-10 years, and that will revolutionize the use of electricity, because it makes it possible to store on a large scale power generated by solar panels and wind turbines for later use. It also means electric cars don't need massive, space-hogging battery packs, since supercapacitor battery packs will be much smaller than NiMH and Li-On battery packs for automotive applications.

      very simple and inexpensive computing devices with integrated wireless telephone and Internet capabilities - www.nokia.com?

      Can you say iPhone? The Apple iPhone is a major leap forward towards such a device you mentioned.

      onboard sensors and computers for smart vehicles - your door is... we know, we know

      Those sensors are making it to a lot a higher-end cars, and lower-end vehicles are starting to get this technology, too.

      advanced high-speed rail - presumably the high speed (400 km/h) rail we have now isn't advanced

      I see within the next 15-20 years large-scale maglev deployment worldwide, since we're hitting the practical operational limits of steel-rail high-speed passenger trains (above 330 km/h, physical wear on pantographs/overhead wiring and steel wheels/rails becomes major issues).

    2. Re:2025? Try 2008. by mh1997 · · Score: 1

      Every single one of the points mentioned in each of the 12 areas is something that's happening now.
      Which is why I don't know why anyone bothers to read futurists predictions. They assume that current technology is going to develop in a linear fashion and it usually doesn't, the next big thing is likely going to be something completely new, or take several unrelated technologies and combine them in a new and unexpected way. Sure you can make connections through history, but rarely are they linear.
  11. Utopia or Dystopia? by owlnation · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Security and Tracking
    As an inmate of the UK, can I suggest that those of you who live in other countries begin fighting these "advances" before they ever happen? You do not want this to be your future. In the UK we already have some of it as our present, and it is run by corrupt and incompetent politicians. What's currently happening in the UK is a warning to you all. This is no Utopia. There won't be any British flying cars.
    1. Re:Utopia or Dystopia? by polar+red · · Score: 1

      but it is for your own safety ! /sarcasm.

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    2. Re:Utopia or Dystopia? by khakipuce · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      In Brownian Britain, the flying cars are watching you!

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    3. Re:Utopia or Dystopia? by Stooshie · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... In Brownian Britain, the flying cars are watching you! ...

      In Brownian Britain all our citizens just move about randomly bashing into each other.

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    4. Re:Utopia or Dystopia? by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1

      In Brownian Britain all our citizens just move about randomly bashing into each other.

      That's probably due to our binge-drinking culture :0)

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    5. Re:Utopia or Dystopia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      As an inmate of the UK

      oh shut up you fucking cunt

  12. In 2025... by doyoulikeworms · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We'll look back on how naively optimistic we were. I remember there was an article back in 2000 about what a group of so-called futurists in the '50's predicted the year 2000 to be like. The only one that was right was "Television in Every Classroom."

    1. Re:In 2025... by SolitaryMan · · Score: 1

      You want a pessimistic futurist? Try reading some of Belyaev's stories. I remember reading one of his stories about the future (2000?), where an artificial island has been built in the Atlantic Ocean, to help aircrafts cover the distance between Europe and America.

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  13. What about Space? by xRelisH · · Score: 1

    Sure Warp drive and all the fun stuff we hear about in Sci-Fi is still a pipe dream, but what about expanding our space exploration?

    I would like to hope that within 15 or so years, we would have developed ways to send long-term exploration missions to other planets like Mars. Sure, we've sent Rovers there and the like, but I'm sure there is much more research that can be done when there are actual people present.

    Another interesting possibility regarding space exploration is the possibility of finding very basic living life on another planet. I thought it would also be interesting if we were to try introducing very simple life (something along the lines of single-cell life found near extreme climates here) to certain planets to see if it can sustain itself.

    1. Re:What about Space? by Percent+Man · · Score: 1

      Mars. Sure, we've sent Rovers there and the like, but I'm sure there is much more research that can be done when there are actual people present.

      True; as von Braun famously said, "Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft, and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor." But consider advances in other scientific fields that may give us an advantage: with upcoming VR technologies, we may no longer need to strap a scientist into a rocket in order to put human minds on Mars.

      Take a look at the kind of flight-simulation technology that exists to train pilots on expensive and/or high-risk aircraft (from the F-22 to the A380). Combine it with a high-bandwidth comm channel to sensors on the Red Planet (this would be the hardest part to develop? I don't know what the current state of the art is for communicating with extraterrestrial devices - what kind of bandwidth do the Mars rovers pull?), and you could put scientific minds in an environment that's immersive enough to make research on Mars much more spontaneous and adaptive than it is now.

      Advantages to this approach would include the ability to grant any trained scientist access to a Martian research lab, regardless of their state of health - you don't have to be trained as an astronaut and make the four-month journey through cosmic rays, sir, just step into this VR booth. The public would also probably be more accepting of a catastrophic mission failure, since it would come at the cost of no human lives.

      Sure, eventually a nation will want to put boots on the ground out there as a PR victory, but increasingly, there will be nothing a human could do as a physical presence on Mars that they couldn't accomplish just as easily from Mission Control.

    2. Re:What about Space? by vbraga · · Score: 1

      I don't know what the current state of the art is for communicating with extraterrestrial devices Let's take down the light speed.

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  14. very western, very expensive by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The only item on the list that will affect the vast majority (including the 1/3rd of the population that has no electricity) is universal water. Even that presumes there's some rainfall for the filtration to work on.

    If you want major breakthroughs for the "other" 90% of the world they'll have to cost less than $10 to the end-user.

    When all these pundits (and their audiences) start thinking in those terms, that'll be a real breakthrough

    P.S. My suggestion for the list would be a viable neural interface.

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    1. Re:very western, very expensive by khallow · · Score: 1

      Distributed energy, pervasive computing, and carbon management too. Distributed energy technology is going to be the only way isolated parts of the world can get electricity. Pervasive computing includes computational devices cheap enough for most of the world (ie, those above starvation level) can afford. Finally, carbon management will include economic opportunities for poor countries as rich countries overproduce CO2.

      And over such a short time frame, what happens to the 10% is more important than what happens to the other 90%. Over the long term, I expect that the leading 10% will change. But if one looks at the past few centuries, the most important innovations have been concentrated in the parts of the world that are near the cutting edge in technological development. My take is improvements in that small portion will have more effect overall than improvements for everyone.

    2. Re:very western, very expensive by maxume · · Score: 1

      Cost $10 when, and in what years $10? $10 ain't gonna be much money at all in 2030.

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    3. Re:very western, very expensive by drsquare · · Score: 1

      What a surprise, technological breakthroughs only occuring in place with technology. Who'd have thought that these innovations wouldn't be relevant to countries that can't even last five years without a military coup?

      I won't shed any tears if breakthroughs don't happen for people who consider it a valid aspect of war to shoot children in the vagina, or that raping babies cures aids. No, let's keep the innovation for civilised places that actually have law and order.

  15. DUPE ALERT by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well it feels like it anyway, I am pretty sure I saw this list before. Oh yeah, every damn year. It is just a blessing the flying car ain't on it anymore, have you got yours yet? Mine must be stuck in the mail. I knew there would be problems going all email.

    But hey, I got time, so lets go through the whole list shall we.

    Personalized medicineWith the initial mapping of the human genome, scientists are moving rapidly toward the following likely breakthroughs for gene-based products and services:

    • creation of an individuals genome map for a retail price of less than $1,000 Good one, with the dollar going DOWN, that means you can get your genome mapped for the price of a coffee.
    • correlation of specific genes and proteins with specific conditions, such as cancers, Alzheimers, heart disease, and diabetes, which will allow both physicians and patients to anticipate, plan for, and mitigate, if not cure, DNA-based health challenges Well, duh, and can I predict that women will get tested for breast cancer so it can be detected earlier? Oh wait, this is already happening. It ain't much of a predition if it is already happening. That is pretty much the problem with this entire list
    • development of pharmaceuticals that treat gene-based diseases, replacing surgeries and chemotherapy Same as above, no not just my comment, this one is part of the previous point.

    Distributed energyThe evolution of distributed energy will reflect that of computing: just as computing has migrated from the 20th centurys centralized model (powerful mainframes delivering applications to remote workstations) to todays decentralized model (PCs and networks), so energy generation and delivery will move from central to distributed sources, increasingly featuring local generators that can be linked when needed for greater output. Specific innovations will include:

    • advanced electric storage devices and batteries at all scales WoW, batteries will be better then they were before. Gosh. This includes small batteries and big batteries. Who would have thought. The future is bright indeed.
    • new power systems with source-switching flexibilityNot even sure what the hell this means. Is this like my laptop that can switch over from battery to net power without a hitch?
    • new energy management systemsWhat kind of energy management systems, are we talking new CPU throttling here OR management of nation wide energy? But hey, whatever. I am pretty sure new systems will be introduced. Sale people got to make a living you know.

    Pervasive computingAlmost every device or object in consumers lives will be both smart and networked, giving rise to an Internet of things. Pervasive computing will drive the convergence of computing, the Internet, voice communications, and televisionultimately blurring categories of infotech products and services. Specific breakthroughs will include:

    • very simple and inexpensive computing devices with integrated wireless telephone and Internet capabilities (the $100 computer) Ah, that is cheap, now I can get a computer for less then a visit to the toilet. Damn inflation is a bitch eh. Bit lazy to predict the $100 dollar computer after it launched (at 200 dollars but lets not be picky). Also kinda ignores that the really hot item is the overpriced iPhone. We may GET simple and inexpensive but do we WANT it? Anyway, computers will be cheaper. WoW. I wish I had known that before I robbed a bank to pay for my PC
    • the semantic Web, enabled by Web data that automatically self-organizes based on its content, allowing search tools or software agents to better identify relevant Web pagesnot just find keywords on them The semantic web cannot exist until you somehow manage to stop people from spamming pages with all kinds of drivel just to get them listed. Google some obscure game and IGN will come up as the ultimate source of info for it, despite the fact that they have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ON I
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  16. The reason this doesn't work by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1

    It's 2007 now, so this is 18 years in the future. If you look at columns from 18 years ago, i.e. 1989, do you see anything about the iPhone, Linux live CD's, asynchronous XML-HTTP calls, Google, Segway, etc. as research areas of interest?

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  17. Social impact of technology by pubjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This list looks 18 years into the future, if we look back 18 years, it takes us to 1989. In 1989 practically nobody had predicted the web or its implications. A single development, and yet the implications of it are profound and are still in progress.

    The thing about technology is that it develops at a different rate to the social changes it causes. For instance, the social impact of the web is still happening and is likely to continue for a couple of decades, even if web technology doesn't change much. Why? Because people that grow up with a technology behave differently that those that didn't, so the profound social changes sometimes only happen when children grow up and enter active society.

  18. No, self driving vehicles are already available. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    About in 2025 nobody steering any vehicles anymore, I'm still waiting for my year 2000 flying car, good luck with your self steered 2025 car. Truth is, we are still VERY far from having those type of cars, and will probably never happen They're being implemented, now in the UK.
    http://www.atsltd.co.uk/media/pictures/

    But for the moment we are quite far from letting the car drive itself, as it's really difficult to control all variables and preview all unexpected things that could go wrong. Which is why the other way to do it is to remove the variables. You then get the additional benefit of eliminating traffic congestion as well which actually makes it faster than a traditional car.
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  19. Need for standard unit for measuring cost by pubjames · · Score: 0

    Reading this has given me a thought - we need a standard unit for measuring the cost of something. Take this, for instance - "creation of an individual's genome map for a retail price of less than $1,000" - with the dollar losing value every day, what does that mean in reality? Will it mean the same thing in a months time? Not really.

    There's a ball of atoms in a vault somewhere that weighs exactly one kilogram, and should weigh pretty much exactly the same in 10,000 years time. Why don't we have a universal measure of value like that? Any thoughts how we could create a fixed unit of value that would be as valid today as it will be in 10,000 years?

    Back to work...

    1. Re:Need for standard unit for measuring cost by khallow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Any thoughts how we could create a fixed unit of value that would be as valid today as it will be in 10,000 years?

      Short answer. You can't. The usual approach is to take the value of a basket of goods (like an ounce of gold or the constantly shifting weighted pile of stuff used in the US Consumer Price Index or CPI). But even that will depend on where you are and what methods you use to adjust for what you think are changes in the value of the goods (say via hedonics). And there's no apparent consistency between valuation methods. Even if I know the price of everything (in US dollars) in 2100, I won't know what the CPI is, simply because I won't know how the basket of goods has been weighted by then.
    2. Re:Need for standard unit for measuring cost by pubjames · · Score: 1

      Short answer. You can't.

      Or we haven't worked out how to do it yet...

      Even if it is impossible to create a unit that works over time, it should be possible to have one that works for a given moment. The basket of currencies approach seems good, if the basket is large enough. In fact these of course exist already, for instance I understand airlines use a standard currency unit for certain things. It's just that we need a universal unit that everyone knows so it can be quoted in articles like this.

    3. Re:Need for standard unit for measuring cost by khallow · · Score: 1

      Even if it is impossible to create a unit that works over time, it should be possible to have one that works for a given moment.

      But once the moment is over, you lose the valuation. Looking back, I improperly explained my argument. The problem isn't that you can't find a valuation, any combination of goods, the weighting changing in arbitrary ways, is a valuation. And people respond to changing prices. For example, you don't see a lot of buying of whale oil and beaver fur hats. Inflation also looks different based on what you do. If you raise a kid, get educated, or maintain a house, you will see more inflation than the single person who buys electronic gizmos. Instead, the problem is how do you find a universal measure of inflation given all these possible valuations and a population of shifting consumers with a variety of wants? I just don't see how to do it.

  20. sounds reasonable, but not much to read by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Necessity is still the mother of invention. All you have to do is look at problems that will not be solved next year, and think a little bit about it, you too can be a futurist. I'm not saying you will be great at it, but you can be a futurist. Being able to predict likely future trends used to be something useful and difficult to do. With the advent of the Internet, you have a veritable research facility in your home. What? you need to know about materials engineering? Google it bro! Oh, need to know about animal husbandry? Google it bro! At no previous time in man's history has so much information been available to so many people. I really am saddened to see that such is left out of the loop on how the future is going to look.

    We are currently at some point of compromise between where society was when the original Star Trek was written, and where it predicts we will eventually go. The world has become much more flat, as they say, with regard to commerce, news, politics, and many other things. None of this seems to be affecting technology predictions. Well, I'll make a prediction; the things I've just mentioned will have a far greater impact on future technology than people generally give credence to.

    Look at the results of what some of the current technology will bring: Health insurance industry upheaval with bio-tech innovations; big pharma industry upset with open source style medicines; auto insurance upheaval with computer driven vehicles; in general, all of the current trend in innovation is about to upset the big business apple cart. Trouble with this is not that things will change, but that third and second world countries are better poised to take advantage of it as it happens. Big businesses will fight tooth and nail to keep their stranglehold on their markets with the same determination that we have seen the **AA use. There is no good that can come from this.

    I also predict that business will change in general. There will be polarization of business practices. Simply opening a company with one cash cow will not be good enough. There will be more vertical integration of business as well as more single mom-n-pop salons. Walmart and their ilk will crumble under their own weight. That seems to contradict what I said of vertical integration, but it does not. There will be more self reliance in business as technology becomes more important, and wise CEO's will see that they need in-house expertise rather than simply paying someone else to do what they can no longer trust another company to do for them. As the world becomes more flat, and regulation of industries becomes more equalized, it will not be possible for some huge multinationals to remain that way. Yes, shrinking profits is what is ahead for the globe.

    It will take only one invention to upset the entire global economy, say for instance, free fuel. Hydrogen power for free or very cheap and made open source would destabilize a huge section of the global economy. None of these 'futurists' seem to get any of that in their predictions.... ?

    1. Re:sounds reasonable, but not much to read by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your 'view' on business is FASCINATING!

      I also predict that business will change in general. There will be polarization of business practices.
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      Did you make that up? Business is business. I dont know what 'school of economics' YOU went to, but the basics will remain the same.. Provide a product/service that serves your fellow man and you will be rewarded. It doesnt get much simpler than that.
      Or.. you could make up something like carbon credits and scam everyone.

      Simply opening a company with one cash cow will not be good enough. There will be more vertical integration of business as well as more single mom-n-pop salons.
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      A mon-n-pop IS a single company/biz that is singularly started. HELLO!
      Your contradictions are stunning.
      You seem to think that there will be more barriers to starting a business.. Well perhaps in your twisted world.

        Walmart and their ilk will crumble under their own weight. That seems to contradict what I said of vertical integration, but it does not.
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      Yes it does.
      Walmart will do just fine thank you. The only think in the foreseable future that could ruin an organization like walmart would be overt regulation. But I'm baaasically guessing your all for such things. So..in 'YOUR' regulated to death world, perhaps walmart could fail if they dont conform to your 'theories'. And we all know what that leads to right?

        There will be more self reliance in business as technology becomes more important, and wise CEO's will see that they need in-house expertise rather than simply paying someone else to do what they can no longer trust another company to do for them.
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      Oh..so your predicting the death of the CONSULTANT?
      Perhaps you also predict the demise of Business PARTNERSHIPS.
      Where the heck do you get this stuff? Are you a 1st year biz major and berkely?

        As the world becomes more flat, and regulation of industries becomes more equalized, it will not be possible for some huge multinationals to remain that way. Yes, shrinking profits is what is ahead for the globe.
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      And THERE IT IS!!! (Yup..your from Berzerkly!)
      "Industries become more equalized".. Is that a nice way of saying regulated beyond usefulness or socialism..or perhaps state run thus communism? Your lil BUZZWORDS can't be obfuscated from people with a brain you know. You clearly advocate central control rather than a free market.
      'Shrinking profits are ahead' you say?.. Wow! When you start an investment firm/mon-n-pop/service center/manufactering plant/etc, rank with 'vertical integration'..and you fully 'equalized with other industries', I'll love to see your business plans that would entice investors/customers to choose you over others.

      Nice try..
      Thanks for playing.

      Get a real education please.
      And until then, I wouldnt ADVISE ANYBODY to do business with YOU.

      Remind me not invest, incorporate, or otherwise deal with you in any financial matters.

  21. Distributed energy by khakipuce · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Really good idea, perhaps we could ... errm ... how about ... oh I don't know ... use metallic cables to distribute the energy.

    so energy generation and delivery will move from central to distributed sources So we have lots of little, local power sources - which are harder to regulate (both in terms out power output and in terms of ensuring that emissions are clean up etc.), less efficient in terms of materials consumption, and need yet more batteries to store energy at times when the generator is not working. I know, let's cover the world in lead, acid, lithium and cadmium - that will solve lots of problems.
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  22. Battery electric vehicle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  23. Re:this is all lies by Hognoxious · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Or put a comma after "then".

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  24. The Semantic Web? by Nursie · · Score: 1

    Don't make me laugh, they've been pushing that for decades now. It's not going to happen as long as humans can control their own metadata.

    Maybe I should read some more recent papers on the idea, bt last I knew of it it was a pipedream and would only work in a world where everyone was honest.

    I'd like to live there, it's a shame we don't.

  25. the future: sensors and more sensors by xristo70 · · Score: 1

    I agree with other posts that there is not much new or visionary in the article. It's a summary of current research, basically, as practically all the points have actual research projects which have started. Put researchers from different top universities together and they will come up with such a summary.

    (Of course I appreciate that all this current research being done is very difficult and important work. Just that for a "visionary" article it would have been more interesting to predict what is beyond current research.)

    Noteable lack of mention of robotics, "intelligent" prosthetic limbs, human and animal cloning (whole or just organs), cognitive engineering and neuroscience.

    Interesting to note btw how often sensors get mentioned.

    1. Re:the future: sensors and more sensors by tixxit · · Score: 1

      I think they base it on current research because there is a high probability their predictions will be correct. What they've done, is look at all the current things that have just been done, then judged whether this will actually be something that becomes important in the future (18 years from now, not just 5 or 10). There is a lot of new technology out there, but not all will last more then a handful of years. Genome mapping, on the other hand, is going to be a new tool in medicine, one that will probably be used for decades (at least) to come. Distributed power actually makes a lot of sense. The ability to source from multiple locations, stored electricity included, allows a power distribution network to be somewhat fault tolerant (look at the blackout in eastern NA a few years ago). It will also foster competition in the power industry, which hasn't exactly been filled to the brim w/ competitors recently, by allowing smaller companies to provide services. Think of a town whose residences have created a small co-op power company that provides a small amount of power (perhaps from wind farms or solar power) to help offset the costs of the larger power companies. I imagine these futurists get their funding by providing good predictions with research based on current tech so they can be used as a "may be you should be thinking of investing here" thing. If people are dropping their money into something, they don't want predictions pulled out of your ass, they want something backing it up.

  26. Who's seriously been arguing "Back to Nature"? by Nursie · · Score: 1

    Really, I'm interested.

    Because everyone I know and have ever heard from, that doesn't resort to denialist idiocy when confronted with pollution and climate change, thinks we should be using our immense knowledge of science and technology to solve the problems we have.

    Never have seen anyone saying "OMG, technology is evil, we must go back to the dark ages". It seems to be the imaginary hippy strawman that people with a financial interest use to stop people thinking about alternative power sources and more efficient tech.

    1. Re:Who's seriously been arguing "Back to Nature"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although you may be at least partly right, one prominent anti-tech "hippie" bogeyman is the Unabomber, who argued for the collapse of civilization despite the massively deadly consequences that would have. He influenced Bill Joy's famous article "Why the Future Doesn't Need Us," which argued for the renunciation of "Genetics, Nanotech and Robotics" on the grounds that those are too dangerous to explore. In Joy's case at least that's a movement against more tech.

      I looked up Al Gore's book "Earth In the Balance" on the theory that I'd find a good example of anti-technologism (having heard of him criticizing the internal combustion engine). Gore seems actually to be arguing for more of a technocratic plan than anti-tech; while there are other reasons to criticize him he does seem to be in favor of using tech to solve global problems. However, the search led me to find proposals for a "Global Marshall Plan" (see eg. here) seeking to "balance the world - with an ecosocial market economy." That is, something other than a "free market economy." Even if technology is involved in that sort of planning, this GMP lends credence to the saying that "the green tree has red roots." Maybe it'd be more accurate to talk about a dispute of capitalism versus socialism, or what Virginia Postrel called "dynamism" versus "statism."

    2. Re:Who's seriously been arguing "Back to Nature"? by Nursie · · Score: 1

      "That is, something other than a "free market economy." Even if technology is involved in that sort of planning, this GMP lends credence to the saying that "the green tree has red roots." Maybe it'd be more accurate to talk about a dispute of capitalism versus socialism, or what Virginia Postrel called "dynamism" versus "statism.""

      well, that's an entirely different issue. Your comment on "the green tree has red roots" is both telling and amusing -

      Do you really think the market driven capitalist systems has taken us to good places as far as food distribution and ecology are concerned?

      Whilst it has provided leaps and bounds of progress, we end up with poverty over a large portion of the earth and excess in other places, not to mention pollution and atmospheric content change which the moneymakers continue to try to deny and/or ignore where they can.

      Don't get me wrong, I'm no communist, I love individualism to much for that, but neither do I think the market is an unmitigated good.

  27. Obviously by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 1

    Any thoughts how we could create a fixed unit of value that would be as valid today as it will be in 10,000 years? Football Fields per Library of Congress.
  28. here are my predictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of these 'predictions' sound like hot air and horseshit to me. They're 'predicting' things that're either already being deployed, or will be deployed in short order. They also completely ignore the changing face of society away from freedom and towards dictatorship. Here are a few of my 'predictions' for 2025:

    - there won't be any flying cars. They'll be trivially easy to make, but no government will allow them to be constructed. The excuses will have to do with 'terrorism' and 'hazards to public safety', but in reality government doesn't want its citizens to become more independently mobile.

    - private planes will be banned, again to due concerns over 'terrorism'. Unless you're a corporate exec with access to a corporate jet, of course.

    - all vehicles will be required to come with government tracking and surveillance devices. You don't have anything to hide, do you? Then why would you object to such a measure? It's for the greater good, after all!

    - all citizens will be required to have their genome mapped and on file with their government. Purportedly, this will make it easier to find and prosecute criminals.

    - every gene discovered will be patented by some corporation, somewhere. Attempts to put genes into the public domain will be banned because such a practice is "bad for business", or "foments terrorism", or some such rot.

    - independently-generated energy will be banned. All energy will come from government-approved corporations, or government itself. This will allow government to more easily control its citizenry. Private ownership of long-term energy storage systems (super-batteries) will also be banned.

    - evil evil thing government does will be prefaced by the words "for the greater good" or "for the children".

    - every citizen under the age of 18 will be required to have a chip implanted in them so they can be tracked (cant' be too careful about pedophiles!). Most citizens over the age of 18 will already have a chip like this, as it'll be required for their job, to use a credit card, to rent equipment, and so forth.

    - speaking of pedophiles, thought crime will become a reality. With advances in graphics computer simulations will look as real as actual film, and people will be prosecuted for producing simulations of crimes even though no one, anywhere, will be hurt in the production of the simulation. Make a simulation of a high-ranking politician getting shot? You'll go to jail for 'encouraging violent behavior'.

    - all computers will be required to come with hardware allowing for government tracking of everything that computer does. It'll also allow the government to actively change the computer at whim, or to shut it down entirely. Any attempt to circumvent the tracking will be a felony.

    - certain manufacturing processes will be limited to government-approved corporate entities only, as in the hands of private individuals they could be used for 'terrorism'.

    - no citizen will be allowed to own a weapon of any kind. No guns, no tasers, no pepper spray, nothing. People who actively and successfully defend themselves from attack will be charged with crimes ranging from assault to murder. This is already true in a number of so-called First World countries.

    - the Third World will be even more of a shithole than it already is. Some nations will do will (e.g., Brazil), but most others will collapse completely (e.g., just about any place in Sub-Saharan Africa). Just about no one will give two shits, except for the people who live there.

    - the United States of American will have been a dictatorship for seventeen years. There will be no revolution, as Americans have become cowards and will actually be relieved to abdicate the responsibility that comes with rights and voting and all those annoying things that are required of a free citizenry.

    - Europe will be in the same boat, only they'll still hold sham elections (Soviet Union style) so they can at least pretend they're freer than America is.

    These are my predictions, although given the current state of world affairs I'm not exactly going out on a limb here.

  29. wewantfemaleandroids tag by aproposofwhat · · Score: 1
    Love that tag - it immediately brought Hawkwind's Spirit of the Age to mind.

    "Your android replica is playing up again
    it's no joke
    When she comes she moans another's name"

    And that was from 1977 - Quark Strangeness and Charm is still one of my favourite LPs, even though I no longer have a turntable, the whole album's etched in my mind.

    Really, though, TFA was complete tosh. Most of the 'predictions' exist now, and those that don't are easily forseeable or too vague to interpret meaningfully.

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  30. Kicking Crystal in the balls by sm62704 · · Score: 1

    Where's that amazing Randi? Why is pseudoscience even submitted to slashdot, let alone published on the front page?

    If you don't think "futurism" is pseudoscience, then tell me where I can get my docrorate in "Futurism?" Or even take a single course in it (but if there are no PhDs in this pseudofield, who's teaching the courses)?

    Once you reach geezerhood it's pretty evident that these futurists are so full of shit it's spilling out of their ears. You've all, of course, heard about the "global cooling" they were talking about in the 1970s. It was the "futurists", not the climatologists, that were predicting this.

    There was a futurist book about that time (back when I believed these doofuses) called "The Population Bomb" that predicted mass starvation by the year 2000 because the planet couldn't sustain enough agriculture to feed six billion people. The truth turned out that there is plenty of food, and the only reason anyone is hungry today is politics and the greed of the wealthy.

    Another told of how rapid technological change would have all of us in straitjackets, that civilization would collapse because we couln't keep up with change. Turns out the only ones needing straitjackets are the futurists.

    Before I was born they were predicting both self-driving and flying cars by the 21st century.

    Nobody predicted the internet. Nobody predicted cell phones. Nobody predicted AIDS, microwave ovens, giant flat screen TVs in the home, CDs, DVDs, VCRs, CrystaLens eye implants, or SUVs. In fact, when I bought my new 4 cylinder Vega in 1976 (with its terriffic gas mileage, 19 mpg) I and everyone else bemoaned the fact that the day of big, comfortable cars was over. The futurists were predicting that 21st century cars would be more like Coopers than Escalades.

    Even science fiction didn't come close. Star Trek's creators thought that flat screen talking computers, and self-opening doors like the ones at the grocery store wouldn't be here until 2300. The closest anybody came to predicting the internet was Asimov's Multivac. In 1969 Arthur C. Clark had us on a permanent moon base by 2001 (a space oddessy).

    So please, stop listening to these ignorant asshats! As they often say here, "nothing to see, please move along." Now excuse me, my robot butler just told me he's got my self-driving flying car gassed up and ready for my jaunt to Mars.

    -mcgrew

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    1. Re:Kicking Crystal in the balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you _read_ Clark instead of just wachting Kubrick's movie, you would see internet, a form of google, and the main character googling himself in Fontains of Paradise.

      (more like a rss reader, but close enough)

  31. Asimov actually wrote, later in life by Nursie · · Score: 1

    That he felt the one big thing he missed was miniaturisation. Multivac is not the internet, it's one enormous computer. Asimov genunely thought we'd have less and less computers that got bigger and bigger. He didn't realise that whilst they do get more powerful, they also get smaller and so they get everywhere.

    Makes you wonder what sort of futures he would have imagined had he got that right.

    OTOH, at least he wasn't claiming his fiction was anything but fictin and though experiments, grounded somewhere in realirty, and not "This is what will happen! Listen to me, I'm important and clever!"

    1. Re:Asimov actually wrote, later in life by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      I completely agree and hope the mods are god to you :)

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  32. Re:No, self driving vehicles are already available by Slashidiot · · Score: 1
    Pretty cool initiative, but let's be realistic. From the site you linked to :

    The ULTra system is an innovative form of PRT (Personal Rapid Transit). It is a system of driverless automatic pods travelling at a speed of up to 25 mph on their own guide-way network. On their own guide-way network, which means not road. We already have something like this. It's called "train". This ULTra system cannot even share the tracks with cars, as tramways. It is just a battery-operated-concrete-track-train. SLOW battery-operated-concrete-track-train. Looks cool, but in practice it's stupid.

    My job is studying transport projects. This one is crap. Take my word.
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  33. Pervasive solar energy by foniksonik · · Score: 1

    Cheap Solar energy would make a lot of problems go away. Problems like water desalinization, air pollution, expensive and damaging personal and mass transport, environment control (heating and cooling) for those who are sensitive - think heat waves killing the elderly... even making a lot of science and technology a lot cheaper to develop and maintain.

    Remove fuel costs from our economy and replace them with one-time batter expenses and everything would get a lot cheaper real quick. Food production, manufacturing, transportation, anything service oriented that relies on the above..... fuel costs are huge and pervasive in our lives... whether they come from gasoline, (bio)diesel, coal, or nuclear.... we have a giant fusion reactor beaming us energy each and every second of every day for free and we have hundreds of viable ways to capture it - thermal, photovoltaic, active thermal (sterling), even wind is really just thermal gradients in our atmosphere.

    I'm no die-hard green freak... just practical and there's nothing more practical than accepting a free gift.

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    A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
  34. predicting the web by Bearpaw · · Score: 1

    While his suggested implementation was off (and he didn't predict Facebook), Vannevar Bush arguably predicted the web, in an article in The Atlantic Monthly ... in 1945.

  35. Re:this is all lies by kayditty · · Score: 0

    So then you have a run-on sentence AND a sentence fragment all in one. Is that even possible?

  36. Re:No, self driving vehicles are already available by hotwatermusic · · Score: 0

    Self Sterering vehicle = trains. The future is mine!

  37. Re:No, self driving vehicles are already available by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    On their own guide-way network, which means not road. We already have something like this. It's called "train". Ah, no.

    There's a crucial difference between Ultra and a train. Ultra transports individuals, a train transports groups.

    That means that Ultra can drive non stop directly to your destination, or as near as damnit. A train, because it transports groups, cannot do that. Ultra is on demand, you go to an Ultra stop and there's one waiting there for you. A train cannot do that because it's transporting groups.

    Basically, a network of ultra stops is faster than a car while a train is a corridor solution which can't take you directly where you want to go, necessitating changes. The only common factor is that neither run on the road, and this is another advantage for Ultra. It isn't stopped by congestion, there is no congestion. There are no traffic lights, there are no junctions.

    It is just a battery-operated-concrete-track-train. SLOW battery-operated-concrete-track-train. Sure, it has a top speed of just 25mph... However, because it doesn't stop for congestion, it doesn't stop for intermediate stations, it doesn't stop for traffic lights, it doesn't stop for junctions it's average speed is also 25mph. The average speed of a train in London is 11mph. The average speed of a car in London is 9mph. This system is nearly 3 times faster than virtually all other forms of transport.
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  38. real future stuff by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 1

    your brain in a computer = immortality and any sensation any time
    Since "you" = "your brain" = electrical and chemical reactions that can be fully modeled in a computer there is no difference between you and your model in the computer (there is a slight difference in that sensory inputs are done electrically, instead of a mix of electric and chemical0
    to put it another way, if the hardware fully models your brain, is there any difference to you ? your personality is the same and your sensory inputs can be anythying you want at any time - if your brain is in a computer your eyes are seeing the most gorgeous memeber of the opp sex ever all the time....

    This sort of removes the need for medicine

    A total totalitatrian state
    i assume many /.s have seen the movie dune, where on the planet geidi prime the evil ruler, baron harkonnen has a heart plug installed in every one - one quick tug of the string and all your blood pours out
    If you extrapolate from current technology, you could implant every person with 24/7 gps rfid and sound and maybe even sight so you could know where every single person is, what they hear and what they see 24/7 - you could also implant shockers, so you could shock anyone who utters the words "bush" and "moron" within 5 seconds of each other

    Computers smarter then us - an old one, we become their servants - surely someone on /. must have a rough estimate of the computing power of the human brain, and how far from that we are in current hardware/software

    1. Re:real future stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Since "you" = "your brain" = electrical and chemical reactions that can be fully modeled in a computer there is no difference between you and your model in the computer"

      Of course there's a difference. There's you, living inside of a human body, and a copy of you modeled within the computer. If your body dies YOU'RE DEAD - game over. Your consciousness or 'soul' or whatever isn't somehow magically transferred to the machine. You - are - dead. The copy is not you, nor will it ever be you no matter what it (or you) happens to believe. Once your body dies you're finished, done, worm-meat, stick a fork in you.

      It doesn't matter for shit that there's some near-perfect copy running around masquerading as you. You won't be around to appreciate it.

  39. Re:No, self driving vehicles are already available by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    Self Sterering vehicle = trains. The future is mine! No, trains transport groups. Self steering vehicles need not transport groups and therefore are not trains.
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  40. Re:this is all lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [Hog here] Yes, I meant a full-stop. DOH! Not that I'm an expert on writing about shit - unlike some, it seems.

    P.S. Mods, get a fucking sense of humour or move to Utah with the rest.

  41. Re:No, self driving vehicles are already available by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    My job is studying transport projects. So, if it's your job... How come you didn't notice the difference between a corridor solution which transports groups and a network solution which transports individuals?

    This one is crap. Take my word. Thanks but your word is rather suspect given the above.
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  42. Re:No, self driving vehicles are already available by hotwatermusic · · Score: 0

    Cars,vans, and buses transport groups as well - not to nitpick.

  43. Mod parent ignorant! by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    Really good idea, perhaps we could ... errm ... how about ... oh I don't know ... use metallic cables to distribute the energy.

    Oh, you mean those heavy, inefficient copper wires that waste an enormous amount of energy as heat?

    Think of energy as data, and cables as bandwidth. Why do you think bittorrent is so popular? Because they save resources by distributing the data flow. What makes you think distributed energy won't be different?

    So we have lots of little, local power sources - which are harder to regulate (both in terms out power output and in terms of ensuring that emissions are clean up etc.), less efficient in terms of materials consumption, and need yet more batteries to store energy at times when the generator is not working.

    I think you fail to understand that if every house had a tiny eolic or solar generator, massive power plants wouldn't be necessary. Or what about the single-home-sized nuclear plants that China is already working on?

    I know, let's cover the world in lead, acid, lithium and cadmium - that will solve lots of problems.

    I guess you have completely dismissed the possibility of storing energy in hydrogen fuel cells (remember, this article is about the future), haven't you?
  44. Personalized health already here! by lotsToLearn · · Score: 0
    Personalized supplements based on your genetic makeup is already here folks. In fact Interluekin and Nutrilite have mastered the technology to such an extent that they not only diagnose faulty DNA but also advise supplementation, life-style changes, diet and other recommendations to prevent the faulty genes to become active.

    Personalized Health

    Genetic Testing

    Interleukin Genetics

  45. All innovations will be ad supported by The_Crowder · · Score: 1

    Personally, I'm excited to check out my $1,000 genome map. Imagine how convenient it will be when Google crawls my genome map and places relevant text ads that can cure any problems I may have.

  46. Think "sustainability" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find the following more like than their pie-in-sky predictions: 1) Most lighting is LED 2) Cheap solar panels 3) Homes built to separate "blackwater" and "greywater" sewage, just like RVs do now 4) The return of the rainbarrel. What probably won't happen, but I can still dream, is 5) Projected disposal costs are tacked on up front when buying products, therefore waste disposal is free.

  47. Relate it to earnings by BarneyL · · Score: 1

    It may not be ideal but something like the average hourly wage might work.

  48. Re:No, self driving vehicles are already available by Slashidiot · · Score: 1

    Let me explain a bit more.

    That only makes this project even worse. The common parts of Ultra and a train are that you have to invest in new infrastructure for both of them. that means a lot of money. The difference is that Ultra moves only individuals, and not groups. So it's then more like a driverles-taxi-train.

    My job, just so you know, is performing cost-benefit analysis of transport projects. Transport projects, or any other project, should have a >5% Economic Internal Rate of Return (EIRR) to be worth of investment (that's an average number for Europe). This means that the benefits must outweight the costs, by a good margin, with the benefits being discounted along time, so we get a break even if the discount rate is 5%. After this cost benefit analysis 101, let's take a look at Ultra.

    The good thing with roads is that we already have a good network. With trains we have a not-too-bad network, because train tracks are expensive to build. Let's say that you can build Ultra tracks for 1/10th of the cost of a 2x2 motorway (to say a number). That's about 600.000 Euros/km. Let's say you build a small network, for a city area, of about 100 km (that's a pretty small network). thats then 30 million Euro. Let's say the vehicles are free, and oepration is super cheap.

    The main benefit of transport projects is time savings. Supposing a value of 10 Euros/hour for a person, and saying the lifespan of the project is about 30 years (standard in transport projects). You have to save AT LEAST 1 million Euro a year. Thats 100.000 passenger-hours a year. The capacity of the Ultra system is quite low, as you said, it transports induviduals, not groups. So saying that in this small 100 km network you have 20 vehicles, and they have an individual inside most of the daytime, let's say 12 hours a day. Supposing this people are reducing their travel time in half, that's 12x20 = 240 hours a day, 240x365 = 87.600 passenger-hours a year.

    So even being supersuper generous in all my hypothesis, with this, your EIRR is BELOW 0%. It's just not economically viable. Very cool, I agree, but not justifiable. No sane government would invest in this seriously, maybe as a research initiative, but not for real transport.

    So yes, this system is crap (economically). Now you don't have to take my word.

    I won't charge you for my cost-benefit analysis.

    PS: Before you ask about the reduction in CO2 emissions, let me tell you the value of those. 50 Euros/tonne, at most. They are rarely more than a 2 or 3% of the costs of any transport project.

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  49. I predict by sentientbrendan · · Score: 1

    that in the year 2025 futurists will be the second largest segment of America's economy, right after the service sector. As much as 30% of Americans will be hard at work figuring out what technologies smart people will come up with next.

    Futurism: If you're not smart enough to make the future happen, why not predict it?