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Amazon's Kindle Sells Out In 5.5 Hours

necro81 writes "As reported on Engadget, Amazon's Kindle e-book reader has sold out. Charlie Rose's interview with Jeff Bezos reveals that the Kindle sold out within just 5-1/2 hours of going on sale. Amazon hasn't revealed how many it had in stock at launch, so it may just be that they didn't anticipate early demand. A check of the Kindle's product page shows that more will be rolling out starting December 3rd." Wired also has a brief head-to-head of the more prominent ebook readers and PCWorld has a review of the new gadget from Amazon.

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  1. Low production run? by Jackdaw+Rookery · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder how many units were made available.

    I somehow doubt it is a case of 'we made lots, but demand outstripped supply'. More likely this was a limited production run to test the waters.

    1. Re:Low production run? by dbolger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Call me a cynic, but I'd say its more likely a case of a limited production run so they can get sites like Slashdot to report how they sold out in just 5.5 hours.

    2. Re:Low production run? by catwh0re · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I suspect you are correct. I don't mean to throw water over this alluring tech toy. However possessing an 800x600 resolution screen on a device who's primary purpose is for reading is an obvious oversight. When screen resolutions are dense enough to render serif typefaces without hinting; only then will we have a device that can be often read without eye strain.

      Also while there are many people who don't read books regularly, the people that do usually appreciate owning a bookshelf of their favourite novels. I feel it'll make a great reference device for things like dictionaries, encyclopedias and newspapers.

      My last point is that when reading a novel, the reader is usually put into a deeper level of thinking which is annoying to be pulled out from. I'm curious if the device has a trivial way to flip pages that doesn't require the user to mentally escape the novel everytime they want to turn the page. (Or other annoyances like being told they have new email mid-reading.)

    3. Re:Low production run? by yakumo.unr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd reserve judgement till you'd personally experienced an 800x600 eInk display really (such as the one Kimble uses), it's considerably different to any LCD/CRT with regards to eyestrain, how your eyes will perceive the resolution.

    4. Re:Low production run? by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wonder how many units were made available.

      Only 1. It was bought 5.5 hours after launch by Jeff to ensure amazon.com was still up.

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    5. Re:Low production run? by ucblockhead · · Score: 4, Informative

      The important metric for readability is not resolution, it is pixel density. Kindle has a pixel density of 167 ppi, which is higher than most LCD screens, which these days tend to run around 100 ppi, and is slightly better than the iPhone, which has 160 ppi.

      I haven't used the Kindle, but I have used the Sony eReader, which has a similar resolution, and it is *much* easier on the eyes than an LCD.

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    6. Re:Low production run? by absoluteflatness · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I would've thought that a Mac's default textarea, and thus default monospace, font would be Monaco, which is sans-serif.

      Anyway, the point the parent was making is that many people (including nearly all American book publishers) think that serif fonts are easier to read, especially for very long blocks of text. The problem is, computer screens still have comparatively low DPI, and aren't very good at rendering serifs, certainly not as good as they are with sans-serif fonts. This goes even moreso for a device made solely for reading text, even though it does indeed have a higher DPI than computer screens.

      Of course, you're right that font preference varies from person to person. Myself, I almost exclusively use sans-serif fonts for screen reading, and prefer serif fonts for print. For example, those annoying "advertising" sections in magazines and newspapers often use a sans-serif font, and I find them much more difficult to read (fortunately they're also always devoid of content).

      Anyway, given the specs for the Kindle (167 dpi), it should be able to do a pretty good Helvetica, assuming Amazon felt like getting a license from Linotype (the default serif font they use is also from Linotype, so it's possible).

  2. Weird behavior between pages by Besna · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Sony reader had a long latency to flip a page, as well as some stuff going on with the ink rearranging itself. If one could just flip fast without any image artifacts, it would be great. Most people will want color, but I think this is more important.

  3. That's OK by jc42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let the Early Adopters try it out and send in the bug reports. In a year or so, there'll be a version 1.1 that doesn't have as many annoying misfeatures as 1.0.

    There's an old rule in the computer biz: Don't ever buy anything whose version number ends with an even digit.

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    1. Re:That's OK by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Funny

      I heard that "Christmas Lights 1.0" used to set fires and drip wax all over the tree.

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  4. Two Things by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. There are always a number of people with "state-of-the-art-addiction" who must have the hot new gadget.

    2. There are always people looking to profit from the above people, who jump on these product launches to then turn around and sell the product on Ebay.

    Beyond that I wouldn't read too much into this just yet. The Kindle may be a success, or a flop. All we know is that it a newly hyped gadget that sold out at launch, like most new hot gadgets.

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  5. Re:Reading an LCD by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Informative

    it's not an LCD, it's e-paper or "electronic ink".

    Yeah, they finally got that technology out of the lab about a couple of years ago.

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  6. Front Page of Amazon by phantomcircuit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well yeah it was the front page of amazon, yeah the entire front page.

    Basically the best advertising that any device could have.

  7. DRM Suckage by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Informative

    Kill it. Now.

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    1. Re:DRM Suckage by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No. E-Books has been buried for long enough. It is time to accept this technology into our lives.

      Crack it.

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    2. Re:DRM Suckage by jmorris42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Crack it.

      Why? It is a joke. The BOM on the thing would run you less than $200 quantity one and I seriously doubt Amazon paid $100. Most of the sticker price is an all up front subscription to their cellular based wireless network that probably isn't even available out here in flyover country where I live. So if yuu don't value the handcuffs to the Amazon Store that why would you bother buying one just to hack it?

      No, we need to design our own. There ain't squat in one hardware wise. No wireless (eats battery like crazy) and two SD slots (for easy copy action!) along with the ability to read PDF files. But first e-paper tech needs to finish developing. Current incarnations lack the resolution of a cheap laser printer, to say nothing of commercial printing and the screen refresh speeds blow goats. And color would really be helpful along with a touchscreen UI.

      But like all things tech these issues will be solved after enough early adopters with big wallets and small brains spend insane amounts of cash on not ready for prime time hardware that won't even be compatible with whatever ends up becoming the standard. Then I'll buy one. :)

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    3. Re:DRM Suckage by QRDeNameland · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is it just me, or is there something a bit weird about naming a product for reading books with a word which means "to set on fire"? Now, maybe as a name for Dell laptop...

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    4. Re:DRM Suckage by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "to set on fire"

      I used to work at SGI (late 90's) and one of their ad slogans was ignite your mind and I think it had a picture of an octane (model name) sgi box there.

      the thing is - we sold a lot of SGI boxes to gas and oil companies. 'igniting' from a computer is the last thing they'd want!

      for a while, some SGI boxes (their power supplies) had a nasty habit of, well, blowing up or catching fire. the move team (who moved employees when we had our frequent re-orgs) would often have blown power supplies after we powered down systems and moved them, had them sit unused for a weekend and then powered up monday. I guess an always-on system being turned off, let sit and then powered on can cause strain.

      PPFFFTT! "stand back, I'm about to power on an SGI box!"

      ignite your mind. yeah - and your tie, if you are standing too close by to some of them.

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    5. Re:DRM Suckage by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Every email to the device costs $0.10; it's not free. (You can transfer documents for free to it via USB, I think, but this is a whole lot less convenient.)

      Also, keep in mind that when they say "lifetime free access to Wikipedia," they don't really mean your lifetime, or even their lifetime, but merely the lifetime of their business model. If at some point down the road these things stop making money for them, that cell connection is going to stop working, too. (And given the short lifespans of cell technologies, I wouldn't expect this thing to work with the cell network for more than a few years, a decade at most, before Sprint forces an upgrade to some new system. I have piles of old handsets sitting around my house as a testament to these forced upgrades that they push through every so often.)

      I think this thing is interesting, and it's the best effort at e-books so far, but it's still really, really bleeding edge. Personally I just can't justify shelling out four bills to be what seems suspiciously like a public beta.

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  8. Kindle doesn't have an LCD by corsec67 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Kindle doesn't have an LCD. There are no polarizers, liquid crystals, or bending of crystals to change the direction of the polarization.

    Kindle has an e-paper display, which uses something resembling ink that can be turned black or white, or a few shades in between, and doesn't require any power to maintain that shade. It looks very similar to paper, and isn't color so the resolution is pretty good.

    The Sony e-book reader also has an e-paper display, so LCDs aren't being used on new e-book readers.

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    1. Re:Kindle doesn't have an LCD by MythMoth · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wouldn't buy the Sony, not gonna buy the Kindle... Not interested in 'locked in' DRM from either, and the potential for 'interesting' spyware from either. I have the Sony Reader. There are a myriad of free texts for it. It can display TXT and RTF files just fine. The (unlocked) version of the LRF is well understood, so there are plenty of texts in that format and they work really well. It can display PDFs (but doesn't scale them well, so an A4 document will usually be unreadable).

      I've never bought a DRM afflicted text and I never will. But the hardware's a different matter; the fact that it can display DRM doesn't preclude the device as long as it can display free texts.

      Sony is kind of schizophrenic; their hardware is usually excellent but sometimes crippled by the media lobe of the company. In the case of the Sony Reader the hardware was left relatively unharmed, but the marketing of the device was absolutely crippled; they were so keen to push their online book store that most people don't realise it can display unencumbered texts just fine.

      The Sony Reader is pretty damn good, though not perfect. For example, it doesn't have a page turn button on the right hand side more or less forcing you to hold it in your left hand or uncomfortably in your right. The iRex Iliad looks excellent, but it's pricier and the form-factor doesn't appeal to me.
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  9. OMG all 3 units sold out in 5.5 hours!!!!! by Adeptus_Luminati · · Score: 3, Funny

    1. Market new product & advertize initial sale date
    2. Do not reveal how many (hand fulls) of product units are available
    3. On day of initial sale, reveal that product was sold out in 4 hours!!!!
    4. Let lame media pick up stories
    5. Enjoy free advertizement & viral marketing
    6. Pick another date to release a few more units
    7. PROFIT!!!!

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  10. Re:I was interested until by roscivs · · Score: 5, Informative

    It does play mp3s. And you can copy things via USB to avoid the fee. You can even have Amazon convert them to its special format for free, email the doc back to you instead of transferring it wirelessly, and avoid the fee.

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  11. Looks good, but.... by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Looks good, but it's way overpriced.

    Either have cheap books or a cheap gadget, not both.

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  12. Re:Reading an LCD by Stochastism · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The e-ink is the only thing going for this critter of a device. The old saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" comes to mind. Books are:
    • Proven: they have a 600 year history of mass production.
    • Robust: at worst, they fall apart after 20 years or two toddlers.
    • Reliable: the words don't dissapear if it gets too hot/cold/wet/dry or an EMP event occurs.
    • Archival attributes: we will still be able to read in 100 years, but we might not be able to open DRM protected files.
    • Portable: they are more pocket sized than Kindle.
    • Batteries not included: because you don't need any.
    • Transferable: they have resale value including content... legally.
    • High contrast: higher even than e-ink.
    • Flammability: despite the name, Kindle's probably don't burn well. A definite negative for the Puritan at heart.
    • Light weight: unless you get the hard-back edition.
    • Accessible: they don't require a network-connection, so they work all over the world.
  13. As a Sony ebook user by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have to say I am impressed with their selection, which can get downright esoteric. Sony's selection(which has gotten better recently) has always left me wanting. I would watch Jon Stewart interview some author and then I would go see if I could find their book only to find out it's either not there or too expensive.

    One of the things that really showed promise was having comic books delivered to the device. However, it never really panned out for Sony, one year on and there are only 14 items in the manga section, and Kindle isn't looking much better. The sample they gave with the Sony eReader actually looked pretty good in terms of readability, shame there isn't much content that I want on it though(I suppose I could go track down pdfs, but too much of a pain)

    1. Re:As a Sony ebook user by doyoulikeworms · · Score: 5, Funny

      Esoteric? Typical American attitude. Why, Korean Automotive Foreign Direct Investment in Europe: The Effects of Economic Integration on Motivations and Patterns of FDI and Industrial Location (Kindle Edition) is standard bedside reading for many of us 50 million South Koreans, thank you very much.

  14. But then again... by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Funny

    A lifetime of free wireless access to Wikipedia for $399 - that's a pretty good deal.

    I'm surprised it doesn't include "amazon email".

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    1. Re:But then again... by lightversusdark · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm surprised it doesn't include "amazon email".

      It does. Every Kindle has a unique email address.
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  15. I'm I wrong or the only one to notice the EvDO by sys_mast · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Everyone is bashing this product, and either I'm confusing my acronyms or people here don't realize this things greatest feature. The PCWorld article says it has EvDO, which I thought was a cellular technology, it lists that as the way to get more content on the thing. AND there is no usage charge for that, the PCWorld article says they take care of that in the background, so the price you see listed for the content you can browse is EXACTLY what you pay(OK maybe taxes or something)

    So, either I need to cut back on the beers and pay attention to which letters mean what, or this thing is actually kinda cool, not that I'm buying one this year. If I'm way wrong, mod me to nothing, but otherwise, man do people complain about anything here!

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    1. Re:I'm I wrong or the only one to notice the EvDO by painandgreed · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to the video I watched on the Amazon site, it is indeed wireless and connects to "Amazon's whisper net" for free. Like WiFi but no need to log into anything as it does find service just like a cell phone. From there, you can look at the catalog of downloadable stuff and download for the presented price much like a downloadable Amazon website. You can email stuff to your Kindle, but that costs money. They never mention exactly what the whisper net is or how much coverage it has.

  16. nifty e-book reader comparison matrix by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nice to see linux across the board for all of them - even running lots of proprietary stuff. :)
    http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/E-book_Reader_Matrix

  17. Re:Reading an LCD by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So... you're saying that a book has all the advantages of an abacus?

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  18. At first I was ready to buy... by SageMusings · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At first I was ready to buy the thing. It seemed wonderful with a long battery life, the ability to purchase books right from the device, and Wikipedia all the time. Then I noticed the price...what a shock.

    I think I would have paid up to $125, as I still need to actually buy books to read on it. But $400? Either the device is expensive to make or the market researchers grossly over estimated the publics need for such a device. $400 buys some really nice toys, much nicer than a e-book reader. I think I'm going to spend my money elsewhere this holiday season.

    What a shame, too. I would really like to own one when they become reasonably priced.

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  19. In theory the Sony reader is what I'd rather have by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Informative

    The sony ebook reader has one great advantage over the kindle: it reads .pdf files directly, and you don't have to pay Amazon for the privilege to have the .pdf file converted to the Amazon DRMed ebook format. This is a crucial difference.

    That said, I would need a device with larger screen than either the kindle or the Sony gadget.

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  20. Re:I was interested until by megaditto · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can even have Amazon convert them to its special format for free, email the doc back to you... Like it's so damn hard for them to release a generic txt or pdf reader, right?

    What's with these companies and "special" lockins? Why do they crave control over items they sell so much?
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  21. Why would Anyone Bother? by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It Has DRM

    Has nobody been paying attention to the many and various articles in recent years about "some random company" who decided to revoke their DRM product (new DRM, dropped product, company died, etc) and totally screw all their customers who had paid license fees to use this DRM functionality?

    VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS people.

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  22. Amazon's market: Segway-riding idiots by Pinball+Wizard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Too rich for their own good, money to burn, since to own this device, you would already have a laptop, an ipod, a cell phone, digital camera, etc. etc. If you have the money to fork over $400 for a device less useful than just about everything else on the market, you probably own a Segway.

    Not to say that its not nice being rich, but you're also an idiot since this overpriced, semi-useful device is full of DRM and all your books will likely be gone as soon as amazon decides to discontinue it or not to support the old form of DRM with their new model.

    But hey, if you're both rich and dumb, its perfect for you. Maybe someone will invent a clip to attach it to your Segway so you can read while you ride.

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  23. Bogus Cynic by fm6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Call me a cynic,
    You're a cynic. No, wait, you're not. You're just stuck in the usual conspiracy mindset, combined with the also-usual ignorance of economics.

    When you manufacture a mass market item, you're not in a position to say, "Let's just make 100 of them for our first manufacturing run, so we can boast that it sold out in a few hours." There's a fixed cost to starting up and shutting down a manufacturing line, and that means there's a minimum number of items you have to make if you want to make them at a reasonable cost. If you shut down the run before you reach that point, you end up saving little or no money.

    So what you do is make some kind of estimate as to how many you're likely to sell during an initial period. (Obviously, if that estimate is lower than the manufacturing minimum, you've got another Foleo on your hands.) That estimate has to be be pretty low for a new e-book reader, a product with a really dismal track record. It's probably not much more than the minimum manufacturing run.

    This device has some features that may or may not cause it to break away from the pack. The big one is that you don't need any kind of network access to download content; it has a built-in EVDO device that you can use without a monthly fee — network charges are included in the cost of the stuff you buy. (That's the main reason I considered buying one.) On the negative side, the thing's pretty expensive (the main reason I'm didn't) and a little bulky. In that kind of situation, the smart thing to do is do a short initial manufacturing run and see if the product develops a following. And in this case it has. Standard business practice, no Machiavellian scheming required.

    I have to say it again: we're all hi-tech geeks here, and hi-tech doesn't work without economies of scale. Yet nobody on Slashdot seems to grasp the concept. Pretty sad.
  24. I still say OLPC's XO laptop is better :) by timothy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More versatile, has a camera, reads a wider variety of formats. It's a (funny little, purpose-built, not-your-ordinary) *laptop*, but it has a book-reading mode and a 200dpi screen (in monochrome mode).

    A bit bigger than the Kindle, sure, but sure seems like the one I'd rather have in my backpack / fallout shelter / carry-on bag. After all, does the Kindle have a game pad? :)

    timothy

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  25. My display died in 3 hours! by bhodikhan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What a mess. I ordered one. They shipped me two. (only billed for one). The one I opened died after about 3 hours. Unit still worked but the eInk screen was dead. Sent that one back for a refund. In my opinion the build quality sucks and there isn't really any good place to hold the unit where you aren't accidentally pressing some button. I still have my free unit new in the box. I'm so un-impressed I may just send it back to Amazon for some other dumb bastard to buy it. I hope this endeavor dies in a big way to warn others.

  26. Gullible much? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is however perfectly easy for a company to launch with a limited number of items received from the factory. This is a basic sales trick. Amazon ordered the production of the kindle, but that doesn't mean all the units arrive in one go, that itself would be extremely foolish, it would delay the launch and cost a lot of money to stock everything.

    Say that a factory can produce 100 devices per day just as an example. You want to launch as soon as possible so you tell them, when you got 500 send them over, so I can launch. Then at launch those 500 are "sold out". Sure they are, but the factory has been busily producing so they in fact now got 700 more, but because sending small orders is uneconomical you told them to NOT send the daily production over, you told them to wait till they got a 1000.

    Bam, you get a head line of being sold out while the factory has plenty.

    The kindle ain't sold out because it is still in production. It is trivial to set this scenario up and Amazon should fire its marketting department if they hadn't set this up. It is a basic move. Make the item seem hot, so that people get the idea that they MUST buy it now or they may not have another chance.

    Have you EVER sold anything? It doesn't matter what house you are looking at buying, they ALWAYS got an intrested party about to make a good offer, so if you are quick you might just beat them. Decide NOW!

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  27. why bother? by alizard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Add Linux e-reader software to a Linux-based Nokia N800 Internet Tablet and you're there, and if you insist on having access that isn't via WiFi, add a
    Better performance, and no vendor lockin.

  28. I've been buying e-books for years by alizard · · Score: 3, Informative

    and running them on my ~$100 Palm Zire 31. In fact, that's how I usually buy fiction. And since most of my leisure reading is SF, I get DRM-free downloads from Baen Books. I can also convert documents most major formats into something readable via Palm.

  29. Re:Amazon rating by FleaPlus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually it only has something like 2.5 stars on Amazon. Not a good sign.

    In all fairness though, just about all of the 1-star ratings seem to be from people who haven't even used the product yet.

  30. So, I tried it by TheMCP · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My neighbor got one, and has had it for almost two days now. He let me play with it a few times.

    The display is very crisp and clear and easy to read. It has a clear surface over the e-ink display... the effect is like reading a really, really flat piece of glossy paper. Yes, if you have very good vision you can see the pixels, but it's so very very high contrast that that's not a problem.

    The unit is much more attractive in person than its photos make it look on the web. It's not beige, it's very white. It's slim, and the angularness of it is less obvious in person than on the web, unless you look at it from the end. It has a nice leather case that it goes in which makes it rather book-like in many respects. When you turn it off, it puts something interesting on the screen (remember, e-ink takes no power to display, only to change, so you can leave something on an "off" e-ink screen) and my friends quite like that. The UI is easy enough to use - a minute or two of poking at it and I'd figured it out more or less. The wireless connection works very well. He downloaded a sample chapter (yes, you can get free sample chapters) in mere seconds after he'd typed in the title.

    Overall, I was pleasantly surprised with it, and immediately recommended it to my aunt, who has been searching for a good e-book reader for a few years.